My 16 year old and her need for Makeup is making me CRAZY

Max - posted on 11/27/2012

Mia Flores, why are you capitalizing every word? That's irritating to read.

Robin And Mike St - posted on 11/27/2012

Go to the mall and let her try Clinique makeup

Sarah - posted on 11/23/2012

Fresh makes a foundation that you can buy at Sephora. It is an Umbrian clay base, absorbs oil, is paraben and fragrance free. It's a little pricey, but will last a long time if applied by just putting a drop or two on a foundation brush. It also has an SPF of 20! Great for sensitive and oily skin.

Candice - posted on 11/22/2012

Have you had her checked for any food intolerance? It could be her body's reaction to dairy or gluten.



I often get compliments on my skin (and I used to get a lot of pimples and blackheads). This is worth a try: I wash my face with coconut oil (seems counter-intuitive...but really works and draws out impurities after a few weeks of using) clean it off with cotton balls and then a mild seabuckthorn soap to finish.

http://www.seabuckthorn.com/bar.htm

As for makeup, this stuff is a little pricey but seems to work for me. Just teach her to use it sparingly

http://tartecosmetics.com/



I hope it works for her. I know how devastating it can be.

Erica - posted on 11/22/2012

Get her bare minerals.

Mia - posted on 11/21/2012

Im 16 & I Have The Same Problem Revlon Has This Foundation That Doesn't Make Me Break Out At All & Is Fragrance Free Its Called Photo Ready Check It Out Its A Littl More Pricey But It Works & Makes My Skin Smoother When I Take It Off

Jenn - posted on 11/20/2012

I highly recommend Proactive to clear her skin. She wont need foundation after that. Never ever use soap and only use daily moisturizer for faces (aveeno is fave). I struggled for years with breakouts and FINALLY clued in that foundation is terrible for skin! Let skin breathe and drink tons of water. Her hormones are wreaking havoc on her skin but she can get control! Using a concealer stick and applying it with a new clean eyeshadow applicator does wonders!

Daniela - posted on 11/20/2012

Go to the dermatologist and find

*MINERAL*

Powder

Foundation

And tell her NICELY

That by covering it up it'll just get worse..

I know your frustrated but if you go to hard on her she won't feel

So confident on herself.

If she doesn't listen let her dermatologist and her have a talk about the consequences.

Kids like hearing advice from other people most times.

Tanelly - posted on 11/19/2012

I Hve a 16 yr old who loves make-up also..No foundation but eye shadow,mascara & lip gloss.The only thing I hate is sometimes she likes to wear those fake eyelashes...YUCK

Jp - posted on 11/19/2012

hehe, I giggled at the mom who responded about leaving her be, she won't listen either way....you are so right . Yes, she doesn't need to wear foundation she just chooses to do so and I have come to the conclusion that I can't control it so it's just a matter of encouraging her to wear less than finding the right products.

Sheila - posted on 11/18/2012

Why does she need to put foundation on? What is wrong with just eye liner, pencil or eye shadow. I know she looks beautiful with little makeup on. If she is 16 yrs old and in high school she dont need it. She is going school for education.

Aimee - posted on 11/18/2012

I do. I have the same problem would love to talk and tell you about wut I am using

Melany - posted on 11/17/2012

leave her be,she won't listen either way

Jp - posted on 11/16/2012

Thanks again to all of you for your recommendations. She is trying different options and we are still trying to find the perfect cleansing routine and makeup routine that doesn't further aggravate her super sensitive skin. All your suggestions are greatly appreciated. I will let you know what works. So far we are still on the search. She is still breaking out and has changed her routine a couple of times. She hasn't found the her holy grail products as yet. I am through trying to convince her to not wear makeup. I have come to the conclusion that it isn't an option. So again we search for a foundation/tinted moisturizer/concealer that will not clog her pores or she has a reaction to. You know I do think that everyone should be more conscious of what chemical that put on their skin .So many cause huge problems.

Jp - posted on 11/16/2012

I saw an episode about this problem, I think it's called "strange addictions". Yes, it seems like that is a hard problem to deal with. Is she getting professional help? The girl on the show ended up shaving her head so she could break the habit of pulling hair out. In the interim she wore wigs. The girl said she actually enjoyed pulling the hair out...for some reason it calmed her down. It is a difficult problem and my heart goes out to you. My girl did have a problem awhile ago with picking her skin, any blemishes on her face. She'd feel around for any bumps and squeeze at it. Anyways, she doesn't do it anymore...I mean she'll touch her face once awhile but nothing like before at all. I know it has to do with self confidence and magnifying small flaws. So she is in a better place today than yesterday. I mean she is still struggling with her confidence but it's better than before. Does your daughter feel anxious...does it have something to do with stress. Does she pull her hair out at certain times of the day? Perhaps something is triggering it. I think part of the reason my girl doesn't pick anymore is because I told her she should avoid starring in the mirror for extended periods of time because she judges herself to harshly. Secondly, she tries to keep her hands busy doing things that are more productive. My point is that I think many of these habits are more to do with feeling anxious and self esteem. Let me know how she does please. Again all the best.

Jessica - posted on 11/16/2012

I used to sell Avon and I think that if I had a daughter who liked make up that would be the least of my problems. There are people asking why does my kid have Trichotillamania. Why do they pull their hair out? I teen age daughter who likes make up sounds normal to me.

Natalie - posted on 11/13/2012

has your daughter tried mary kay i sell the product and have had ppl with very sensitive skin love it

Laura - posted on 11/11/2012

mineral make up is the best to use for sensitive skin, I get mine all at sallust its not really expensive either....she a teenage so its going to be hard to keep her away from it.if she doesnt have q cell phone already get her one... something cheap.that has q family locator on or so u can see where she at.at all times...boys r always the main reason why teen girls start wearing bras and make upnot just her peers are....

Melissa - posted on 11/08/2012

Well you may have to get her checked by a dermatoligest. They may suggest a brand or maybe you could have it specially made. Find out what is in it that she is allergic to.

Effrosene - posted on 11/07/2012

Try NUSKIN, mum had the same problem and this worked wonders

Cheryl - posted on 11/04/2012

I responded early on but your recent post about all of the makeup not coming off has reminded me...I was the same as your daughter and really didn't fhigure it all out until last year (I am 34!) I too found that many cleansers (cetaphil included) didn't quite get all of the makeup off. I use Philosophy's Purity cleanser which gets it off but is not too drying. I have NEVER found a moisturizer which works well over time (maybe for a short while.) But a helpful way to get that makeup off might be a washcloth vs just using hands? Makes for lots of washing unfortunately but it does help. Also, the best thing I have ever used to get rid of eye makeup is baby shampoo. Sounds odd but it is tear free. My Optometrist recommended it because my tear ducts were not getting cleaned well enough. I haven't noticed (surprisingly) a sensitivity to it but obciously I put it only on my eyes. Hope she is finding products that work for her. I would want to skip school when I had baad breakouts and getting my skin to clear up was really the only thing that ever made me feel better. Hang in there!!

Jenny - posted on 11/02/2012

Now, regards to how to get your daughter to stop feeling like she needs to wear make up every time she steps out of the house? That's a lot more tricky.



One thing I've noticed is that teens won't take advice from you if you come from the opposing angle on an issue. The only way you can influence her is if you try to get into her shoes and find a solution for her issue from her perspective. Obviously your perspective is from concern for the health of her skin and her self-esteem. On the other hand your daughter is probably more concerned with fitting in with her friends and looking good. From this point of view, it's not really an option for her to go without make up, so you trying to influence her in this direction from concern of clogging up her pores will not be overly fruitful.



If you really want to change her behavior with makeup, try to come across as an ally to her and to her goal. For starters just put make up on together without criticizing. Maybe even ask her for advice on a trendy look for eyeliner or something. This way she'll open up to you and you can get a better sense of what's going on in her head and what her concerns are. And then you can try to influence her in a positive direction, with her concerns at the forefront, instead of yours.





"I want to cut the umbilical cord but she still hasn't developed the skills to function in the right way."



I get what you are saying here! How hard is it to let go of guiding them when they haven't learnt to do it the right way?



Maybe it would be helpful to think in terms of teaching a kid to ride a bike. You can't just take of the training wheels and let them ride if you can see that they are still struggling to keep balance while the wheels are on. At the same time you try to keep in mind that yelling expectations at the kid regards to riding in a straight line are not helpful at this point. Once you can see they've got a hang of the training wheels then you can take them off, initially keeping close by their side. However, in order to progress, you've got to start stepping back, bit by bit so that they can still be challenged and experience growth in the skill, all the while not expecting too much of them, as if they've been riding solo for years, instead remembering to empower them with observing the things they are doing right.



This could mean setting up a routine where you only touch base with your daughter and her cleaning routine once a week or fortnight so that she has a chance to try things herself and begin to pressure herself to do things the right way, instead of having you pressure her.

One way to encourage self growth is by talking to her about her own standards, and keeping the focus on her thoughts about her routines. Is she meeting her own standards regards to how thoroughly she cleans her makeup off? If she is self-assessing on a regular basis over a long period of time, then she will be naturally encouraged to self-improve.





Try not to stress too much about her over-concern with appearance. It's typical of the stage she's at. Keep modeling healthy self esteem in yourself and verbalize her non-physical positive traits over "that's a pretty top" etc. Teenage girls will naturally grow self confident once they've had a chance to struggle with finding their own balance between inner and outer beauty, but remember to arrive at a self-accepting state, may take them well into their twenties.

Jenny - posted on 11/02/2012

Hi JP,



My sister has very sensitive skin and gets pimples really easily. A lot of foundations irritate her face. She did use Clinique for a while which was better than any thing else she used so far, however she would still break out and that didn't quite justify spending the $$.



In her case she has also noticed that foods attribute to her skin condition. She is lactose intolerant, if she has just a sip of regular milk, garunteed with-in the next 24hrs she will have a break out. Same thing goes for greasy foods or sweets like chocolate. So keep an eye on that and see if there are any food related issues for your daughter if you haven't done so yet.



Now my sister has switched to using powder for foundation which she believes doesn't clog her pores nearly as much as liquid or cream foundation. She uses the one by naturals. However this would dry her face out and it would get cakey. But I have found a solution for this! Cakey foundation actually is a result of the skin not being exfoliated, with traces of dead skin left behind. What i've found for her is just a plain simple facial exfoliating sponge to help with exfoliating her skin properly. She couldn't use the generic exfoliating facial scrubs because they would irritate her skin, so this is perfect for her skin, natural and cheap. Here's what she uses http://www.ecrater.com.au/p/15682450/exf...

Melissa - posted on 10/30/2012

I haven't tried it, but today on Dr. OZ he did a segment on BB cream. It is supposed to be wonderful for all sorts of skin issues. Also many years ago I worked for Origins and know they have a great line for hypersensitive skin. They will also give you samples of anything and everything so you can try before you buy.



MC

Mari - posted on 10/30/2012

I can give you some free samples. Or if your local give her a free facial so you can try before you buy. I am a Mary Kay consultant. I agree she should rest her face but continue to clean it. Both AM and PM. She needs a good skin care system. I am no doctor but have been doing this for 7years. I love what i do. You can look at my website www.marykay.com/mmartinez0505 Good luck. She is at an age when they always want to look their best. My daughter is almost 12 and I will only allow her to use a mascara primer and a natural lipgloss.

D'Ann - posted on 10/29/2012

Have you tried Aveda tinted moisturizer? I grew up with bad skin and now it is the only foundation I use with the dual foundation powder. Bring her into an Aveda Institute or Aveda Salon for a consultation. They have skin care there also - outer peace is wonderful! I hope this helps! Here is a link to the website for Aveda Institute locations: www.avedainstitutessouth.edu

Kevin - posted on 10/28/2012

If every time you used product on your face and or body, your skin tingled and reacted

Jp - posted on 10/28/2012

Actually Nene , many people are suggesting Mary Kay. I may look into it. Also, you suggested I put on the makeup myself and watch her take it off. I did start to do that on and off for the last couple of months.. Many times she still had not cleansed her face properly. Makeup was still on her face or the cleanser wasn't rinsed off properly. Everytime I watch I've noticed how bad she washed her face. I also started putting on her makeup. But, now I am running across a huge problem. My husband is so angry with me. He is saying I am not making her grow up ...if I continue to do it for her. I already was doing her hair for her. So now I am helping her out more than I anticipated. I tell her over and over again how to wash her face but she barely makes the cleanser touch her face and starts washing it off so quickly. She doesn't listen at all. It appears like doesn't care.She actually brings her phone into the washroom and texts while doing personal hygiene stuff. I am pulling my hair out. I am so frustrated with her. Even when she attempts to straighten her hair she actually ends up burning the sides of her face because the straightener is too hot. The simplest of tasks are not done properly. I feel like a am a bad mom because in the past I got angry with her over many things. So, I don't want to baby her but at the same time she doesn't want to learn how to do things properly. I want to cut the umbilical cord but she still hasn't developed the skills to function in the right way.

Nene J. - posted on 10/27/2012

I actually think that if you do continue to allow her to wear make-up, there's another suggestion for you. As I mentioned, Mary Kay is nice to me but also inexpensive long term. The products can last for months if you use it not only correctly but sparingly. Also if you go to a Mary Kay meeting they can & will teach you how to apply it & you can show your daughter. If she still insists on going overboard, you can put it on her yourself & maybe watching her when she removes her make-up at night. If you think it'll help maybe you can take before & after photos to show her how she doesn't need a lot of gunk on her face to be beautiful. Hope that helps! :)

Jp - posted on 10/27/2012

Sorry everyone for the late response. I don't know what to say. I didn't expect such a great response. Update, the Lorac foundation broke her out after a couple of weeks of trying it.It totally clogged her pores.

I appreciate all your feedback on which cleanser she should use. So far the Earth Science A D E gentle cleanser is working and doesn't dry or irritate her skin. So, we are going to keep in mind all the suggestions just in case she has to fall back on another cleanser. I cannot get her to not wear makeup when she leaves the house. She says she feels too self conscious about her blemishes. She cannot use any powder mineral makeup because it is too drying for her face, she's tried them all. She needs a liquid foundation or tinted moisturizer. She is now trying Yves Laurent, LE TEINT TOUCHE ÉCLAT Illuminating Foundation. Apparently it is free of Parabens, sulfates, phthalates and petrochemicals. Has anyone ever used this foundation. Hope it works out. It isn't a thick foundation, it's a step up to a tinted moisturizer. Re: hormones, that isn't the problem. We noticed when she gives her skin a break from makeup it all clears up. Re:Dermatologist. She's gone to a couple. Truthfully, they didn't help her at all. They actually made things worse with the drying prescriptions and she went the antibiotic route but it comes back after awhile. Truthfully, we already established she always has reactions to what she putting on her face. But, we did notice there is definitely a correlation to what she eats and breakouts. Whenever she has lots of and diary and sugar she does have a flareup of acne. She does now eat more salads and takes vitamins too. She is trying to drink lots of water. Because, we did notice that does make a difference with dry skin as it is an internal moisturizer, isn't it? So much trial and error with what makeup she wears. I do always remind her she is more than just her outer appearance. Luckily she is now dating a boy that constantly compliments her talents and says she's pretty too. This is actually helping her with her self confidence. Because, lets face it she'll believe the compliments that come from friends more than from her mom.

In summary I just like to mention that my daughters flares up has help us realize sometimes they run deeper than just what she puts on her face...makeup, cleansers (which can be full of harmful chemicals). Sometimes, it because she is stressed, bad diet, not cleansing properly, reaction to products, etc....So, we are not putting all our eggs in one basket. Wouldn't it be nice it was just one thing...ie...a simple pill, or a cleanser, or a cream, etc...My point is I really do appreciate everyone's feedback as I know you are all trying to help but what I found interesting was the people that responded that could sympathize with my daughter circumstances because they too have sensitive skin. They too have been riddled with self esteem issues due to it. It's true we have to face everyone daily and we feel insecure about our flaws it can be emotionally crippling. So we are in search of my daughter being comfortable in her own skin. I want to give her the tools for her to take good care of herself inside and out.

Anna - posted on 10/27/2012

JP this may be hormonal, she at the age that her hormones are affecting other things like oil glands. With that being said, the makeup may not make a difference. This is the problem I had at that age and now at 43 because of hormonal imbalances I'm going through the acne phase Again. BC pills did help back then, they have their own set of sided affects!! You have to make that choice wisely. You could look into homeopathic treatments, natural things to help balance her hormones. This is what I do know!! It has made a difference for me. Get a referral to have her hormones tested and then look into NATURAL remedies. No drugs, no man made stuff!! I hope this helped....good luck with that, keep reminding her that she is beautiful and this will pass!!!

Anna - posted on 10/27/2012

I too had a great benefit to those pills, kept my skin clear!!

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Harmonie - posted on 10/25/2012

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Tara - posted on 10/24/2012

I definately agree with taking her to a dermatologist but Maybe have her try M.A.C. Studio Fix Powder. It is full coverage but very lightweight and not drying like other powders I have used. I also noticed my complexion cleared up with BC pills. Talk to the doctor to see if it may be right for your daughter if you're open to it. Good Luck, I hope you find a resolution soon. :)

Rachel - posted on 10/24/2012

I have sensitive skin and roscea(sp.). I use mineral make up from merle norman. I first have to use a moisterizer and let it dry before applying loose powder. I also wash my face with cetaphil face wash at night and in the morning because it is an extremely gentle clenser so gentel in fact that my son's opthamologist recommends washing his eyelids with it to keep his oil ducts from clogging up again. You can find it at Walmart. I tried clinique, bare minerals, foundations, etc and they all made my face itchy and blothchy. Moisterizing with a good strong moisterizer first is key. Remind your daughter that sometimes less is more. Her makeup needs to be like a skirt: enough to cover what needs to be covered, but short/light enough to be interesting. Let her know that she can cover what needs to be covered, but not to cake it on. It makes it so much worse and hides her natural beauty. She shouldn't hide behind a mask because she is hiding a part of herself from the world and if people don't like her natural self, they don't deserve the time of day anyway.

Nikki - posted on 10/24/2012

I also have very sensitive skin. I started using Proactive make-up and it has done a world of difference.

Kaylie - posted on 10/24/2012

First off. Go to YouTube and have her watch the video "evolution by dove" with you. Talk about it. Discuss with her that she is falling victim to the "fake beauty" scheme that everyone is tormented with. Next, try ordering products from arbonne. They are completely natural with nothing in them that could cause a break out. I get mine from a rep, but if you go online you can order from there or find your own rep. If you do find a rep it is better because your deter can try some products. I would say to start with an exfoliating scrub, and a foundation from them. You should only allow a certain amount of makeup, and search online for makeup tips that will accent her features without using a lot of product. Hope this helps!

Margaret - posted on 10/24/2012

She may be allergic to some of the main ingredients in the makeup. I never understood why my face would sometimes sting, burn and breakout from even the supposedly hypoallergenic types until I learned that most of the main ingredients are coconut based (I am allergic to coconut) I have found a website for a company called Olivu' http://www.olivu426.com/ that has been a big help. They create all the cosmetics themselves from select ingredients. If you can determine what is causing your daughter's reaction to makeup, Olivu may can create makeup for her that is safe for her skin. Good Luck!!

Natalija - posted on 10/24/2012

Hello. I have been a skin consultant, make-up artist for 20 years now. I would love to help you and your daughter, by giving you some advice on what products to try for her sensitive skin. I worked for many diffrent vendors over the years, and have helped so many teenage girls with finding the foundation/skincare produts that can adress her issues. I reccomend, going to your nearest mall, and visiting the "Clinique" counter.They will sit down with her, and help her find the best product for her skin. My aunt had sensitive skin, and i intoduced her to clinique. Also, tell them that you would like some samples for her to try at home, before purchasing the product. If they tell you you have to "buy something" to get samples. ask for the counter manager and tell her that you were told that clinique gives samples for customers to try for at least a week, before purchasing what she needs. If you have any questions, you can drop me an e-mail at : novovic@aol.com

Hope this helped you find the right products for your daughter..:)

Hailey - posted on 10/24/2012

How about start with a really good cleanser that cleans the pores out (she should use this at night before bed to clean the make up off her face and again in the morning), she should also use a good moisterizer after cleansing as cleansers can leave her face dry and prone to more out break. these two things will help clear up her skin. It sounds more like all the makeup is not getting off her skin when she wears it and this will cause outbreaks for sure. Make up is fun but you have to have proper skin care as well. I would also talk about using make up responsibly (taking care of skin etc) and maybe suggest keeping her face make up free unless she is going out, and that it needs to be properly removed when she gets in so its on her face as little as possible.

Anna - posted on 10/24/2012

With severe acne I have had friends that have gone on a very strong anti-biotic course .The problem can be though that the doc does not want to do this and will give a low dose instead .Please do a bit of your own research as it is a few years ago so can not give you approx doses , which particular antibiotic and length of treatment (but it was a fairly lengthy course ) . The result was great and my friends felt they could face the world again .(One was in her forties and had lived with this for over 20 years :0) ..). Good luck x

Karla - posted on 10/24/2012

try using ACNE- FREE you can buy it at walmart for less than 20 dlls, and then you can prtty much wear anything, i am 39 and my skin is horrible, that is the only thing that helped

Max - posted on 10/23/2012

How about consulting a dermatologist? 16yo girls like makeup; perhaps the doc can point her towards some safer brands.

Harmony - posted on 10/23/2012

She might also try the mask from the #1 MK botanicals. The mask works to get the dry, dead skin cells off and will make the skin supple~But be careful not to scrub with a mask. Also, encourage her not to squeeze her pimples, as this causes the bacteria to spread. Make sure to also get the moisturizer. Or if the other cleanser is working well like u said, then u could just maybe add the mask and moisturizer to the cleanser she is already using, though it would be good to use all the same product line, as this will also help w/evening out the skin and getting rid of sensitivities.

Lori - posted on 10/23/2012

Acne is so hard to deal with. I have naturally very oily skin with a small area of dry skin (nearly flaky dry). I have dealt with acne most of my life with minimal success. It got a little better then tried a product that sent my skin into a tail spin that never really recovered. I got some advice that has made a significant impact! My problem is that I can't always commit to the routine because I have 3 young kids, work nights so I can stay home with my kids, and I'm lucky if I get 4 hours on average of sleep a night. However, honey is a great product. Just make sure she is not allergic to bees. Some recommend raw, but I have only ever used cheap regular honey. I wash my face with my cleanser, then put a cloth with warm/hot water on my face to open the pores. Then I rub the honey all over my face. I leave it on for 30 mins. Then I use a cold cloth and remove the honey. I didn't even need to use a moisturizer after this, like I would with anything else. You need to do this at least 3-4 times a week and continue to do this on going. I noticed my skin was not as bumpy, or as red with the acne disappearing. I would recommend your daughter try not wearing any makeup for a week while doing this to see what results she gets. I noticed an improvement after the first use. She may feel better about her face and not wear the makeup she feels she needs to cover up the acne. The other product I use is in the morning. I should say I use a pinetar bar of soap to wash my face. Then I use a product from India. It's kind of hard to find, but so well worth it. It is called Vicco with Sandalwood oil. It hasa strong odor that does go away. It has turmeric in it that is a natural antiseptic (same as honey). It has a cold cream kind of feel when you put it on. I would try the honey first, then do a small spot test with the vicco cream as I'm not sure if it will be drying for her. It is used for blemishes, boils, burns, and scars, and is only about ($6 CAD) a tube. I had very pale skin with a lot of red tones throughout with acne. The vicco cream has taken away most of the red tones. I use it every morning, and will never go back to an expensive ineffective cream.



I hope your daughter can find a solution that works for her. I honestly think the honey will be the biggest change for her. Hopefully to the point she will not feel the need to cover up her face in more chemicals. Good luck.

Jill - posted on 10/23/2012

Hi, Skin79's pink BB cream isn't a foundation but it provides a little coverage and totally tones down redness. It has taken skin look great. The pink BB cream has oil control but is not drying. Also, Loreal makes a talc free powder. It is loose powder, not in a compact.

Sorah - posted on 10/23/2012

Have you tried Paula's Choice - online. It's the only stuff I can use at all. She makes a great tinted moisturizer that evens out the skin nicely but doesn't go on thick and has no bad stuff!

Kevin - posted on 10/23/2012

Try http://wikanikoclub.com our kbk makeup range is totally natural and chemical free.discover these and many other eco friendly, natural products.

Debi - posted on 10/23/2012

I'm a little surprised that no one has even mentioned "Bare Minerals" powder ... you can find it at Sephora.com and it is actually GOOD for your skin. Fabulous products.... love them all!