Pampers Dry Max causing chemical burns on babies!!!
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Susie - posted on 05/12/2010
I also just posted this on Taras question
There have been so many complaints about this product causing diaper rash and blistering now that the authorities in Canada and USA are investigating the product.
I did a bit of poking around to look at the patents applications for Proctor and Gamble and what I have found may shine some light on what may be a possible source of the diaper rash. Sorry that it is a bit of an essay, but I feel it is important to include it as it appears that out there in the blogosphere, mums are blaming other mums for the diaper rash and blisters, saying they are poor mums, which is not the case.
Sadly, manufacturers often introduce products without making full disclosure of what they are made from or contain, so can get away with plying undisclosed chemicals and materials to our skin without legal recourse to disclose all the ingredients contained in them.
We are used to having to look at ingredient listings on toiletries, foods, medicines, but what about diapers, sanitary pads, tampons, incontinence pads, etc!
If you spend a little time delving into the patent applications and details, it is easy to find that P & G amongst others, have been developing "coatings" to include in their diapers by way of impregnating “chemicals” in a modified plastic nonwoven material with the intention to deal with diaper rash caused by disposable diapers.
It would seem that Gov. Regulators do not look at manufacturer patents and manufacturers do not declare the ingredients of these "coatings" on their labelling as they would be required by law to do for cosmetics and toiletries!
So what is this coating that they are applying to the diapers, and watch out girls, the patents are also planned to be applied to sanitary pads, liners, incontinence pads and tampons.
this is what I found, so judge for yourselves. Here is the technical stuff if you want to read it!
Proctor and Gamble Patent reference application number US2001000898880 Film-forming compositions for protecting skin from body fluids and articles made therefrom
Origin Cincinnati, OH US
IPC8 Class AA61K872FI
USPC Class 424 65
“Abstract: A film forming barrier composition useful for protecting the skin from body fluids such as urine, faeces, menses. The composition includes a skin conditioning agent, a viscosity enhancing agent (15% – 50%) and an oleophilic film-forming agent (1% - 20%). Optionally the lotion may include a skin care ingredients (0.01% - 15%) for treating and maintaining skin health. (1% - 90%) The composition may be applied to the skin by suitable delivery vehicles such as absorbent articles or components thereof, sheet materials, pads, bandages, sponges, foam pads, pumps, sprays, depending on the viscosity of the composition.”
“The film forming composition ..containing a skin care ingredient….consisting of petrolatum, mineral oil, branched fatty acid esters, glyceryl esters, polyglyceryl esters, glycolic esters, polysiloxanes and viscosity enhancing agents selected from the group consisting of C12-C60 alcohols, waxes and mixtures thereof”
The film forming agent is muted in the patent as being a maleate/maleic anhydride grafted polyolefin. The latter is a cheap way of making a strong bonded plastic nonwoven material to sit nicely against baby’s bottom and mum’s nether regions, carrying all those bonded chemicals and the “skin conditioning agent”.
Enzyme inhibitors is the name of the game for diapers it seems from their patent, well a minute proportion of the coating. The rest is made up of several chemical ingredients ( around 90% of the coating P & G like to call “skin care composition”) which during wear, movement and heat from the baby, is intended to build up a residual on the baby’s skin thereby delivering the "enzyme inhibitor” continuously to the skin. The composition is resistant to water, wash-off and rub-off.
The 90% of this coating, which is applied to the nonwoven cover that sits next to baby skin is comprised of a mixture of chemicals, and the largest proportion is petroleum-based emollients; fatty acid esters; polysiloxanes; mineral oils; branched hydrocarbons; propylene glycol (a solvent); sterols; polyalkalenes, PVP/alpha-olefm copolymers, acrylic copolymers all to carry the expected 0.01% to be any of many options including the enzyme inhibitors or anti-microbials, or chelating agents or skin soothing agents!
Where does all this appear on the label of the diapers, or the sanitary pads, or the incontinence pads or the tampons? Perhaps the regulators will force manufacturers to declare these hidden chemicals so that we are informed about the choices we make for our children and for ourselves.
Becca - posted on 05/18/2011
These mothers are making claims that have not been backed up by a doctor.
My claims were backed by a doctor. I spent thousands of dollars trying to find out what was wrong with my son. You have no right to say that a doctor hasnt advised any of us. Get off your high horse.
Megan - posted on 04/30/2010
To answer some questions and comments, I have done quite a bit of research about this. Luvs started using this "quick-absorbant" gel a while back, and it gave a tremendous amount of babies burns and boils. It isn't diaper rash, and it has nothing to do with a lack of changing diapers. We used Pampers Cruisers on my son, so we went ahead and bought the Dry Max ones. Less than an hour of using them, my son had a strip of bright red from his bum to his belly. I change my son's diaper every 2 hours normally. I switched him straight to a Huggies diaper that was laying around. It looked much better a few hours later. A few days ago, I tried the diapers again just to see. Guess what? Bright red burn and a small blister. This is the result for many babies, and it completely depends on the individual baby. Therefore, it is thought to be an allergic reaction to the gel. This is happening to a majority of babies, though! And Pampers will not listen and simply switch back to the old mesh linings. They will certainly lose a lot of customers...
Becca - posted on 05/18/2011
Jane - for the most part that is good advice. My issue is that I was duped into buying these diapers without knowing they were different. They were packaged in the same box I had bought for 9mos. I didnt know anything was different until after I opened the package. I had to call pampers and ask if I had dry max diapers (after I finally found out about them) because nothing on the box indicated they were dry max.
Now, a year later, they are taking the dry max label off the diapers. Moms that stopped using diapers with dry max will again be tricked into buying diapers that use dry max. I just dont want these unknowing moms to end up paying thousands of dollars in hospital bills before they find out that the issue is the dry max. I dont want innocent helpless babies to have to suffer as much as my son and thousands of other babies have.
Alexandra - posted on 06/07/2010
I don't know about anyone else, but it is ridiculous that everyone would blame mothers of being just lazy. I have a 12 month old, but she uses size 4. We have used Pampers on her since she was born, but about 2 days ago, we opened a new box and she has developed a rash that is so intense! It started looking like a diaper rash, just a couple of bumps so I proceeded to wash instead of using wipes - no soap. Cornstarch, diaper rash cream, none of all of this makes it better and after 2 days, it seems like it might just bleed any second..I am taking her to the hospital tonight. I find it awful that mothers would side with corporations and be so cynical about this. P & G needs to do something about this. I have switched to the Huggies hypo-allergenic brand hoping this will alleviate my little one's pain. Why aren't all diapers hypo-allergenic??? You won't know your baby is allergic until they are already suffering.... I hope none of this happens to your babies... might make you eat your words..
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Jane - posted on 05/18/2011
Apparently there have been enough complaints that an investigation was launched. According to WebMD, "The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission is now playing diaper detective and has launched a formal investigation." as of May 2010.
Then as of September 2, 2010 the CPSC issued a report saying that there is no link between Dry Max and rashes.
However, every child is different and what works on one may not work as well with another. If your child seems to get more rashes with Pampers Dry Max, then buy a different diaper. Some kids probably are more sensitive to something that is different and should be in a different type of diaper.
Lindsay - posted on 06/10/2010
actually, it happend to me, i change my son's diaper very often, i dnt let him sit in a wet diaper. but the other day i realized he had a little spot kind of like a blister. i thought it was a diaper rash but was informed today that a couple other people have had the same problem and it is caused by a chemcal reaction in the diapers. i dont think ANY of you woman have any right to critisize another womans parenting skills based on this. like i said i make sure that my son always has a clean diaper, just because he has a little bit of a reaction does NOT mean i am a bad mother. so think before you speak :)
Princessa - posted on 06/08/2010
I have used pampers for a year now, not dry max and have noticed if my baby does a poo while we are out and i cant find somewhere to change her so she waits for half or so till i do she get very sore, even if she wears a nappy for 3-4 hours and have only weed in her nappy she can become red raw, so much so her skin bleeds when you wipe with a baby wipe,(I use sensitive ones). I dont know if its the nappy itself that is not absorbant enought and has to be shanged every 2 hours or the wipes of she just has really acidic urine. I do notice that when i use cotton and water to wash her and change her nappy every couple of hours she has no rash at all. She has never had boils, boils form from a bacteria that it found usually in our nose,everyone has it so im not sure how a nppy would cause boils. For sore bums i find sudo creme is very good put on a ton of creme each time you nappy change and the soreness and rash in gone within a day or 2.
Jen - posted on 06/08/2010
i use pampers n they am the best my son cnt use any other cus funny enough they bring him out in rashes n i do change my son diper every couple of hrs. plus he has to us eth ejohnsons wipes too cus the other brands bring him into a rash
Melissa - posted on 06/07/2010
All I can say is Thank You for this particular post! It makes sense to me why my daughter keeps breaking out on her bum, red blisters and bad rashes. I use Pampers & have been using the Pampers dry max as well & I do find them to sag quicker, so I change her more frequently.
I have also used butt paste and that seemed to help the "rash" I just thought it was from a change of juice (V8 blends), it had me very worried. I just bought more pampers today & I will be doing away with the "bonus 3 dry max diapers" from inside the box.
Thank You again, I did think it was from her juice or me not paying attention to how frequently I was changing her,Though every 2 hrs is my usual diaper change!
Christina - posted on 05/29/2010
My daughter got a bumpy rash two days into the newcase ofdiapers. I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT LEAVE MY KID IN A WET DIAPER! And I am not lazy-Sharon- so that is a pretty condescending remark. I stopped using these Dry Max diapers as a precautionary measure.
Christina - posted on 05/22/2010
both of my kids have used Pampers. And now since the redesign of Pampers Dry Max my daughter who is the only child still in diapers has experioenced no problems. However those Huggies different story.. I have never put them on either of my children without poo coming out of either the side or the top.. They are well bless in the tush area.. :) haha
Tamara - posted on 05/19/2010
I use the Pampers Dry Max and my daughter does get horrible boil like bumps with bleeding. It almost looks like her skin was eatin away in places. This occured on her genitals and butt. I ALWAYS change her diapers so it is not due to sitting in a nasty diaper for to long. I am not saying it is due to the diaper but I do think it should be investigated because this kind of rash/burn has never happened to anyone of my babies until now.
Kristin - posted on 05/12/2010
I hope none of you have to actually experience this with your child. How awful would you feel, knowing that people tried to warn you and all you did was blame them? I know several mom's who's babies have experienced this type of rash from these diapers, and they are not moms who leave their babies sit in a wet diaper for an extended amount of time.
Kristina - posted on 05/11/2010
I usually use Pampers and thought to give the new dry max a try, within a week of using them she started breaking out in a horrible rash on her stomach, private parts and inner legs. I change her diaper every hour so for those saying were leaving them on longer are wrong. I have stopped using them and now she just has these horrible boils left behind.
Jj - posted on 05/10/2010
only the absolute ignorant would make claims that mothers who state there children have been burned by a product would refer to them as lazy! My daughter has never EVER! had a diaper rash she is changed constantly and never sits in filth or wetness. She developed the reaction slash burn because thats what our local emergency room called it a burn! after the switch to dry max. We have discontinued the product and it makes me sick to my stomache that when something horrific like this happens a small group of individuals would enable a large company to continue to harm babies for there own use of gossip!
Krystal - posted on 05/10/2010
I cant say that i even wanted to try these diapers with my daughter. I had received a pack of pampers when i had my baby shower, along with other brands, and as soon as i opened up the pack to use them i remember telling myself not to. The greenish blue lining reminded me of some sort of chemical but i tried it out anyways. My daughter broke out in a horrible rash within 30mins. The same thing happened while using LUVS with the purple lining. Im incredibly frustrated with all these products coming out...like us parents dont have enough stress on keeping our children safe...
Yvonne - posted on 05/10/2010
I must confess i cannot comment on the issue about pampers dry max as i've never heard of them, we do have pampers here in the uk and i used to love them but they've changed them a few months age they don't have the mesh in them anymore which used to keep the babies skins lovely and dry so i too have had to switch to huggies which i'm not that keen on but own brand supermarket nappies seem a bit rubbish to me.
Now i'm going to show my ignorance Tracy can you tell me what acidophilousis please??
Gwen - posted on 05/10/2010
I know of a new mother who just figured this out for herself a couple of weeks ago. The baby would be red and chapped at her house, then it would fade at grandma's. After trying a number of creams, etc. she switched to the same diapers grandma had and the redness disappeared completely within a couple of days.
Sheri - posted on 05/10/2010
My granddaughter has a bleeding bottom right now. We just switched from Pampers to Huggies yesterday. Thank you to the ladies that stood up for this issue. There are lazy moms out there but not the ones on this blog who care and hurt for their babies. We are taking our little one to the Doctor today.
Jaclyn - posted on 05/05/2010
and i change my son very often.. idk if others have noticed but i have that the diaper sags more and looks like it is filled more. but basically everytime the diaper gets wet im changing it. so i agree to not judge others parenting
Jaclyn - posted on 05/05/2010
im so glad another mom posted about this. thers is alot of contraversy with this issue. my son is one with a rash..not a chemical burn but i saw the pictures. i cant belive how people are just saying its just moms being lazy... i wish you see how many children are actually dealing with this rash. not to mention pampers is putting the new dry max in the old boxes of cruisers. so its not an easy oh ok let me just go back to the old one. i dont know what im going to do because i love pampers...or well i did. but if they could fix the problem and make sure there are the regular cruisers i may consider going back but i dont want to chance it with my child. as of now i have huggies but they arent as soft.
yes babies have reaction to all differnt diapers.. but there is a differnce between diaper rash and this.!
Jordan - posted on 05/02/2010
Im sorry that none of you have been effected by these diapers, when in fact they do cause burns. Don't sit here and judge other mothers parenting. I change my daughter the minute she wets her diapers because of how sensitive her skin is, and still from the day after using those diapers she has had a rash. She has gone to the doctor at least 3 time in two weeks because of these diapers and now she has boils on her butt, that bleed and cause her pain. We have gone through every cream you can buy/prescribe and nothing has helped. Her doctors have also agreed that it must be caused by the diapers. So just because your child hasn't had to go through the same pain as others, don't assume other parents are lazy.
Jennifer - posted on 04/30/2010
I guess I have to say I am pretty lucky considering my 4 month old son has pretty sensative skin and we have been using the new swaddler dry mas for almost a week now and no rash. I am very disappointed to hear how pampers is handeling this situation. Even though I have not had problems I just may have to switch to the huggies brand until pampers actually deals with this situation.
Iridescent - posted on 04/30/2010
Chemical Burn Definition
Yes, they look very similar. The only difference that is really obvious in the two in treatment is removal of the cause + rinsing for chemical burn treatment, and removal of the cause only for allergic dermatitis treatment. If you haven't given a full bath after taking the diaper off that caused the reaction, it would continue to burn if it were a chemical burn.
The second thing to note different about the two is the cause itself. Nothing in Pampers ingredients causes chemical burns.
- Pampers Dry Max uses absorption gel (http://www.pampers.com/en_US/dry-max-faq...)
- Absorption gel IS polyacrylate gel
- Chemical burns are caused by - http://www.freemd.com/chemical-burn/unde...
- MSDS on this gel - http://www.hmsmedical.com/images/44-OC%2... - NOTHING listed can cause chemical burns.
All this proves it is NOT a chemical burn, it IS allergic dermatitis.
Lindsay - posted on 04/30/2010
I think it could be possible! The hospital that I had my daughter in only uses pampers so thats what she got when she was born and by the time the nurse came in to clean her (the first bath) she had already broken out in a rash. We put another on her post bath and I sent my husband home to get the huggies I had bought ahead for her. Within 2 diaper changes after switching to huggies her rash cleared right up and didn't come back. She didn't get boils but she did get so raw she began to bleed:(
I have since heard a lot of childrren have trouble with every kind of diaper that pampers makes.
The pediatricians are the ones diagnosing them as chemical burns. My daughter didn't have a reaction, thank goodness. I saw the pictures of these poor babies and it looks horrible. I don't feel like Pampers is dealing with this very well. They just keep saying it's an allergic reaction to food or something else. I find it weird that babies who wore the old Pampers just all of a sudden have a chemical burn. I switched to Huggies because I don't like the way Pampers is going about this. I also didn't like the dry max diapers. They leaked at night and the old Pampers didn't.
we have tried all of the pampers styles (including dry max) and no problems. we did however break out in a horrible rash with blisters and bleeding when we tried 'butt paste'. so, i gave the tube to my cousin who has said that she has never had a problem with the 'butt paste' and her daughter broke out with a horrible rash too.
Rebecca - posted on 04/30/2010
Yeah it's an allergy sounds like, my son can't use huggies and my daughter can't use pampers. I've never heard of Dry Max before though...are they a new pampers? My son isn't in diapers anymore so i'm out of the loop i guess lol
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