PLZ HELP!! what do you think about cercumsitions?

Puja - posted on 06/21/2010 ( 101 moms have responded )

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i dont know if i want my baby to have a cercumsition... im hindu so we dont do that but in my boyfriends family they do. So im confused about what to do... people are telling me if i dont do this for my son he will never have a girlfriend, people will pick on him etc... and i dont want that so im just so confused.

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Krista - posted on 06/21/2010

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People are incorrect to tell you that he'll be picked on and won't have a girlfriend. I don't know in which country you live, but in most countries, circumcision rates are dropping. People are realizing that it is silly to cut off perfectly healthy tissue solely for superficial reasons. They may say it's healthier, but looking at the actual numbers, any health benefit is so tiny as to be completely pointless. And, with the circumcision rates dropping, your son most certainly will not be the only boy out there with an intact penis -- so I really wouldn't worry about him being made fun of or not having a girlfriend. (Besides, do you really want him to wind up with a woman who is so superficial that she would dump him because he has a foreskin?)



There will always be people telling you how to parent your child, and trying to bully or guilt you into doing something that you don't feel is right for him. There will come MANY times when you will have to stand your ground against friends, family members, acquaintances, etc. So this is good practice for you -- stand your ground. It'll get easier as you go along.



If you do choose to leave him intact, a few notes on cleaning: do not ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever try to pull the foreskin back, and don't let anybody else do it either. The foreskin is actually CONNECTED to the head of the penis, and trying to pull it back can tear the tissue (that's what causes most of the infections that people talk about). Just clean it gently in the bath with warm soapy water. As he gets older, it'll start to eventually retract, at which point you (or your husband) can show him how to properly retract the foreskin and clean under it. Sometimes they will get what looks like a white discharge -- that is simply dead skin cells from the glans of the penis working their way out. Just clean it like normal.

Charlie - posted on 06/22/2010

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Western countries have no tradition of circumcision. In antiquity, the expansion of the Greek and Roman Empires brought westerners into contact with the peoples of the Middle East, some of whom marked their children with circumcision and other sexual mutilations. To protect these children, the Greeks and Romans passed laws forbidding circumcision.1 Over the centuries, the Catholic Church has passed many similar laws.2,3 The traditional Western response to circumcision has been revulsion and indignation.

Circumcision started in America during the masturbation hysteria of the Victorian Era, when a few American doctors circumcised boys to punish them for masturbating. Victorian doctors knew very well that circumcision denudes, desensitizes, and disables the penis. Nevertheless, they were soon claiming that circumcision cured epilepsy, convulsions, paralysis, elephantiasis, tuberculosis, eczema, bed-wetting, hip-joint disease, fecal incontinence, rectal prolapse, wet dreams, hernia, headaches, nervousness, hysteria, poor eyesight, idiocy, mental retardation, and insanity.4

In fact, no procedure in the history of medicine has been claimed to cure and prevent more diseases than circumcision. As late as the 1970s, leading American medical textbooks still advocated routine circumcision as a way to prevent masturbation.5 The antisexual motivations behind an operation that entails cutting off part of the penis are obvious.

The radical practice of routinely circumcising babies did not begin until the Cold War era. This institutionalization of what amounted to compulsory circumcision was part of the same movement that pathologized and medicalized birth and actively discouraged breastfeeding. Private-sector, corporate-run hospitals institutionalized routine circumcision without ever consulting the American people. There was no public debate or referendum. It was only in the 1970s that a series of lawsuits forced hospitals to obtain parental consent to perform this contraindicated but highly profitable surgery. Circumcisers responded by inventing new "medical" reasons for circumcision in an attempt to scare parents into consenting.

Today the reasons given for circumcision have been updated to play on contemporary fears and anxieties; but one day they, too, will be considered irrational. Now that such current excuses as the claim that this procedure prevents cancer and sexually transmitted diseases have been thoroughly discredited, circumcisers will undoubtedly invent new ones. But if circumcisers were really motivated by purely medical considerations, the procedure would have died out long ago, along with leeching, skull-drilling, and castration. The fact that it has not suggests that the compulsion to circumcise came first, the "reasons," later.

Millions of years of evolution have fashioned the human body into a model of refinement, elegance, and efficiency, with every part having a function and purpose. Evolution has determined that mammals' genitals should be sheathed in a protective, responsive, multipurpose foreskin. Every normal human being is born with a foreskin. In females, it protects the glans of the clitoris; in males, it protects the glans of the penis. Thus, the foreskin is an essential part of human sexual anatomy.

Parents should enjoy the arrival of a new child with as few worries as possible. The birth of a son in the US, however, is often fraught with anxiety and confusion. Most parents are pressured to hand their baby sons over to a stranger, who, behind closed doors, straps babies down and cuts their foreskins off. The billion-dollar-a-year circumcision industry has bombarded Americans with confusing rhetoric and calculated scare tactics.

Information about the foreskin itself is almost always missing from discussions about circumcision. The mass circumcision campaigns of the past few decades have resulted in pandemic ignorance about this remarkable structure and its versatile role in human sexuality. Ignorance and false information about the foreskin are the rule in American medical literature, education, and practice. Most American medical textbooks depict the human penis, without explanation, as circumcised, as if it were so by nature.

What Is the Foreskin?
The foreskin is a uniquely specialized, sensitive, functional organ of touch. No other part of the body serves the same purpose. As a modified extension of the penile shaft skin, the foreskin covers and usually extends beyond the glans before folding under itself and finding its circumferential point of attachment just behind the corona (the rim of the glans). The foreskin is, therefore, a double-layered organ. Its true length is twice the length of its external fold, comprising 80 percent or more of the penile skin covering,6 or at least 25 percent of the flaccid penis's length.7

The foreskin contains a rich concentration of blood vessels and nerve endings. It is lined with the peripenic muscle sheet, a smooth muscle layer with longitudinal fibers. These muscle fibers are whirled, forming a kind of sphincter that ensures optimum protection of the urinary tract from contaminants of all kinds.

Like the undersurface of the eyelids or the inside of the cheek, the undersurface of the foreskin consists of mucous membrane. It is divided into two distinct zones: the soft mucosa and the ridged mucosa. The soft mucosa lies against the glans penis and contains ectopic sebaceous glands that secrete emollients, lubricants, and protective antibodies. Similar glands are found in the eyelids and mouth.

Adjacent to the soft mucosa and just behind the lips of the foreskin is the ridged mucosa. This exquisitely sensitive structure consists of tightly pleated concentric bands, like the elastic bands at the top of a sock. These expandable pleats allow the foreskin lips to open and roll back, exposing the glans. The ridged mucosa gives the foreskin its characteristic taper.

On the underside of the glans, the foreskin's point of attachment is advanced toward the meatus (urethral opening) and forms a bandlike ligament called the frenulum. It is identical to the frenulum that secures the tongue to the floor of the mouth. The foreskin's frenulum holds it in place over the glans, and, in con junction with the smooth muscle fibers, helps return the retracted foreskin to its usual forward position over the glans.

Retraction of the Foreskin
At birth, the foreskin is usually attached to the glans, very much as a fingernail is attached to a finger. By puberty, the penis will usually have completed its development, and the foreskin will have separated from the glans.8 This separation occurs in its own time; there is no set age by which the foreskin and glans must be separated. One wise doctor described the process thus, "The foreskin therefore can be likened to a rosebud which remains closed and muzzled. Like a rosebud, it will only blossom when the time is right. No one opens a rosebud to make it blossom."9

Even if the glans and foreskin separate naturally in infancy, the foreskin Ups can normally dilate only enough to allow the passage of urine. This ideal feature protects the glans from premature exposure to the external environment.

The penis develops naturally throughout childhood. Eventually, the child will, on his own, make the wondrous discovery that his foreskin will retract. There is no reason for parents, physicians, or other caregivers to manipulate a child's penis. The only person to retract a child's foreskin should be the child himself, when he has discovered that his foreskin is ready to retract.

Parents should be wary of anyone who tries to retract their child's foreskin, and especially wary of anyone who wants to cut it off. Human foreskins are in great demand for any number of commercial enterprises, and the marketing of purloined baby foreskins is a multimillion-dollar-a-year industry. Pharmaceutical and cosmetic companies use human foreskins as research material. Corporations such as Advanced Tissue Sciences, Organogenesis, and BioSurface Technology use human foreskins as the raw materials for a type of breathable bandage.10

What Are the Foreskin's Functions?

The foreskin has numerous protective, sensory, and sexual functions.

Protection: Just as the eyelids protect the eyes, the foreskin protects the glans and keeps its surface soft, moist, and sensitive. It also maintains optimal warmth, pH balance, and cleanliness. The glans itself contains no sebaceous glands -- glands that produce the sebum, or oil, that moisturizes our skin.11 The foreskin produces the sebum that maintains proper health the surface of the glans.


Immunological Defense: The mucous membranes that line all body orifices are the body's first line of immunological defense. Glands in the foreskin produce antibacterial and antiviral proteins such as lysozyme.12 Lysozyme is also found in tears and mother's milk. Specialized epithelial Langerhans cells, an immune system component, abound in the foreskin's outer surface.13 Plasma cells in the foreskin's mucosal lining secrete immunoglobulins, antibodies that defend against infection.14

Erogenous Sensitivity: The foreskin is as sensitive as the fingertips or the lips of the mouth. It contains a richer variety and greater concentration of specialized nerve receptors than any other part of the penis.15 These specialized nerve endings can discern motion, subtle changes in temperature, and fine gradations of texture.16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23

Coverage during Erection: As it becomes erect, the penile shaft becomes thicker and longer. The double-layered foreskin provides the skin necessary to accommodate the expanded organ and to allow the penile skin to glide freely, smoothly, and pleasurably over the shaft and glans.

Self-stimulating Sexual Functions: The foreskin's double-layered sheath enables the penile shaft skin to glide back and forth over the penile shaft. The foreskin can normally be slipped all the way, or almost all the way, back to the base of the penis, and also slipped forward beyond the glans. This wide range of motion is the mechanism by which the penis and the orgasmic triggers in the foreskin, frenulum, and glans are stimulated.

Sexual Functions in Intercourse: One of the foreskin's functions is to facilitate smooth, gentle movement between the mucosal surfaces of the two partners during intercourse. The foreskin enables the penis to slip in and out of the vagina nonabrasively inside its own slick sheath of self-lubricating, movable skin. The female is thus stimulated by moving pressure rather than by friction only, as when the male's foreskin is missing.

The foreskin fosters intimacy between the two partners by enveloping the glans and maintaining it as an internal organ. The sexual experience is enhanced when the foreskin slips back to allow the male's internal organ, the glans, to meet the female's internal organ, the cervix -- a moment of supreme intimacy and beauty.

The foreskin may have functions not yet recognized or understood. Scientists in Europe recently detected estrogen receptors in its basal epidermal cells.24 Researchers at the University of Manchester found that the human foreskin has apocrine glands.25 These specialized glands produce pheromones, nature's chemical messengers. Further studies are needed to fully understand these features of the foreskin and the role they play

Care of the Foreskin
The natural penis requires no special care. A child's foreskin, like his eyelids, is self-cleansing. For the same reason it is inadvisable to lift the eyelids and wash the eyeballs, it is inadvisable to retract a child's foreskin and wash the glans. Immersion in plain water during the bath is all that is needed to keep the intact penis clean.26

The white emollient under the child's foreskin is called smegma. Smegma is probably the most misunderstood, most unjustifiably maligned substance in nature. Smegma is clean, not dirty, and is beneficial and necessary. It moisturizes the glans and keeps it smooth, soft, and supple. Its antibacterial and antiviral properties keep the penis clean and healthy. All mammals produce smegma. Thomas J. Ritter, MD, underscored its importance when he commented, "The animal kingdom would probably cease to exist without smegma."27

Studies suggest that it is best not to use soap on the glans or foreskin's inner fold.28 Forcibly retracting and washing a baby's foreskin destroys the beneficial bacterial flora that protect the penis from harmful germs and can lead to irritation and infection. The best way to care for a child's intact penis is to leave it alone. After puberty, males can gently rinse their glans and foreskin with warm water, according to their own self-determined needs.
How Common Is Circumcision?
Circumcision is almost unheard of in Europe, South America, and non-muslim Asia. In fact, only 10 to 15 percent of men throughout the world are circumcised. The vast majority of whom are Muslim.29 The neonatal circumcision rate in the western US has now fallen to 34.2 percent.30 This relatively diminished rate may surprise American men born during the era when nearly 90 percent of baby boys were circumcised automatically, with or without their parents' consent.

How Does Circumcision Harm?

The "medical" debate about the "potential health benefits" of circumcision rarely addresses its real effects.

Circumcision denudes: Depending on the amount of skin cut off, circumcision robs a male of as much as 80 percent or more of his penile skin. Depending on the foreskin's length, cutting it off makes the penis as much as 25 percent or more shorter. Careful anatomical investigations have shown that circumcision cuts off more than 3 feet of veins, arteries, and capillaries, 240 feet of nerves, and more than 20,000 nerve endings.31 The foreskin's muscles, glands, mucous membrane, and epithelial tissue are destroyed, as well.

Circumcision desensitizes: Circumcision desensitizes the penis radically. Foreskin amputation means severing the rich nerve network and all the nerve receptors in the foreskin itself. Circumcision almost always damages or destroys the frenulum. The loss of the protective foreskin desensitizes the glans. Because the membrane covering the permanently externalized glans is now subjected to constant abrasion and irritation, it keratinizes, becoming dry and tough. The nerve endings in the glans, which in the intact penis are just beneath the surface of the mucous membrane, are now buried by successive layers of keratinization. The denuded glans takes on a dull, grayish, sclerotic appearance.

Circumcision disables: The amputation of so much penile skin permanently immobilizes whatever skin remains, preventing it from gliding freely over the shaft and glans. This loss of mobility destroys the mechanism by which the glans is normally stimulated. When the circumcised penis becomes erect, the immobilized remaining skin is stretched, sometimes so tightly that not enough skin is left to cover the erect shaft. Hair-bearing skin from the groin and scrotum is often pulled onto the shaft, where hair is not normally found. The surgically externalized mucous membrane of the glans has no sebaceous glands. Without the protection and emollients of the foreskin, it dries out, making it susceptible to cracking and bleeding.

Circumcision disfigures: Circumcision alters the appearance of the penis drastically. It permanently externalizes the glans, normally an internal organ. Circumcision leaves a large circumferential surgical scar on the penile shaft. Because circumcision usually necessitates tearing the foreskin from the glans, pieces of the glans may be torn off, too, leaving it pitted and scarred. Shreds of foreskin may adhere to the raw glans, forming tags and bridges of dangling, displaced skin.32

Depending on the amount of skin cut off and how the scar forms, the circumcised penis may be permanently twisted, or curve or bow during erection.33 The contraction of the scar tissue may pull the shaft into the abdomen, in effect shortening the penis or burying it completely.34

Circumcision disrupts circulation: Circumcision interrupts the normal circulation of blood throughout the penile skin system and glans. The blood flowing into major penile arteries is obstructed by the line of scar tissue at the point of incision, creating backflow instead of feeding the branches and capillary networks beyond the scar. Deprived of blood, the meatus may contract and scarify, obstructing the flow of urine.35 This condition, known as meatal stenosis, often requires corrective surgery. Meatal stenosis is found almost exclusively among boys who have been circumcised.

Circumcision also severs the lymph vessels, interrupting the circulation of lymph and sometimes causing lymphedema, a painful, disfiguring condition in which the remaining skin of the penis swells with trapped lymph fluid.


Circumcision harms the developing brain: Recent studies published in leading medical journals have reported that circumcision has long-lasting detrimental effects on the developing brain,36 adversely altering the brain's perception centers. Circumcised boys have a lower pain threshold than girls or intact boys.37 Developmental neuropsychologist Dr. James Prescott suggests that circumcision can cause deeper and more disturbing levels of neurological damage, as well.38,39

Circumcision is unhygienic and unhealthy: One of the most common myths about circumcision is that it makes the penis cleaner and easier to take care of This is not true. Eyes without eyelids would not be cleaner; neither would a penis without its foreskin. The artificially externalized glans and meatus of the circumcised penis are constantly exposed to abrasion and dirt, making the circumcised penis, in fact, more unclean. The loss of the protective foreskin leaves the urinary tract vulnerable to invasion by bacterial and viral pathogens.

The circumcision wound is larger than most people imagine. It is not just the circular point of union between the outer and inner layers of the remaining skin. Before a baby is circumcised, his foreskin must be torn from his glans, literally skinning it alive. This creates a large open area of raw, bleeding flesh, covered at best with a layer of undeveloped protomucosa. Germs can easily enter the damaged tissue and blood-stream through the raw glans and, even more easily, through the incision itself.

Even after the wound has healed, the externalized glans and meatus are still forced into constant unnatural contact with urine, feces, chemically treated diapers, and other contaminants.

Female partners of circumcised men do not report a lower rate of cervical cancer,40 nor does circumcision prevent penile cancer.41 A recent study shows that the penile cancer rate is higher in the US than in Denmark, where circumcision, except among Middle Eastern immigrant workers, is almost unheard of.42 Indeed, researchers should investigate the possibility that circumcision has actually increased the rate of these diseases.

Circumcision does not prevent acquisition or transmission of sexually transmitted diseases (STDs). In fact, the US has both the highest percentage of sexually active circumcised males in the Western world and the highest rates of sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS. Rigorously controlled prospective studies show that circumcised American men are at a greater risk for bacterial and viral STDs, especially gonorrhea,43 non-gonoccal urethritis,44 human papilloma virus,45 herpes simplex virus type 2,46 and chlamydia.47

Circumcision is always risky: Circumcision always carries the risk of serious, even tragic, consequences. Its surgical complication rate is one in 500.48 These complications include uncontrollable bleeding and fatal infections.49 There are many published case reports of gangrene following circumcision.50 Pathogenic bacteria such as staphylococcus, proteus, pseudomonas, other coliforms, and even tuberculosis can cause infections leading to death.51,52 These organisms enter the wound because it provides easy entry, not because the child is predisposed to infection.

Medical journals have published numerous accounts of babies who have had part or all of their glans cut off while they were being circumcised.53,54,55 Other fully conscious, unanesthetized babies have had their entire penis burned off with an electrocautery gun.56,57,58 The September 1989 Journal of Urology published an account of four such cases.59 The article described the sex-change operation as "feminizing genito-plasty," performed on these babies in an attempt to change them into girls. The March 1997 Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine described one young person's horror on learning that "she" had been born a normal male, but that a circumciser had burned his penis off when he was a baby.60 Many other similar cases have been documented.61,62 Infant circumcision has a reported death rate of one in 500,000.63,64

Circumcision harms mothers: Scientific studies have consistently shown that circumcision disrupts a child's behavioral development. Studies performed at the University of Colorado School of Medicine showed that circumcision is followed by prolonged, unrestful non-REM (rapid eye movement) sleep.65 In response to the lengthy bombardment of their neural pathways with unbearable pain, the circumcised babies withdrew into a kind of semicoma that lasted days or even weeks.

Numerous other studies have proven that circumcision disrupts the mother-infant bond during the crucial period after birth. Research has also shown that circumcision disrupts feeding patterns. In a study at the Washington University School of Medicine, most babies would not nurse right after they were circumcised, and those who did would not look into their mothers' eyes.66

Circumcision violates patients' and human rights: No one has the right to cut off any part of someone else's genitals without that person's competent, fully informed consent. Since it is the infant who must bear the consequences, circumcision violates his legal rights both to refuse treatment and to seek alternative treatment. In 1995, the American Academy of Pediatrics Committee on Bioethics stated that only a competent patient can give patient consent or informed consent.67 an infant is obviously too young to consent to anything. He must be protected from anyone who would take advantage of his defenselessness. The concept of informed parental permission allows for medical interventions in situations of clear and immediate medical necessity only, such as disease, trauma, or deformity. The human penis in its normal, uncircumcised state satisfies none of these requirements.

Physicians have a duty to refuse to perform circumcision. They also must educate parents who, out of ignorance or misguidance, request this surgery for their sons. The healthcare professional's obligation is to protect the interests of the child. It is unethical in the extreme to force upon a child an amputation he almost certainly would never have chosen for himself.

Common Sense
To be intact, as nature intended, is best. The vast majority of males who are given the choice value their wholeness and keep their foreskins, for the same reason they keep their other organs of perception. Parents in Europe and non-Muslim Asia never have forced their boys to be circumcised. It would no more occur to them to cut off part of their boys' penises than it would to cut off part of their ears. Respecting a child's right to keep his genitals intact is normal and natural. It is conservative in the best sense of the word.

A circumcised father who has mixed feelings about his intact newborn son may require gentle, compassionate psychological counseling to help him come to terms with his loss and to overcome his anxieties about normal male genitalia. In such cases, the mother should steadfastly protect her child, inviting her husband to share this protective role and helping him diffuse his negative feelings. Most parents want what is best for their baby. Wise parents listen to their hearts and trust their instinct to protect their baby from harm. The experience of the ages has shown that babies thrive best in a trusting atmosphere of love, gentleness, respect, acceptance, nurturing, and intimacy. Cutting off a baby's foreskin shatters this trust.

Circumcision wounds and harms the baby and the person the baby will become. Parents who respect their son's wholeness are bequeathing to him his birthright -- his body, perfect and beautiful in its entirety.

Melissa - posted on 06/21/2010

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I personally find it to be an unnecessary mutilation of a baby...and no different than female circumcision. And if a man wants to be circumcised for religious reasons, let him make the decision to do so when he is an adult.

Sherry - posted on 06/21/2010

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wait a minute wait a minute they're telling you WHAT? oh brother.

There is absolutely no medical reason to cercumsize a penis! none.. zilch... as a pediatrician they'll tell you the same thing.. Our pediatrician basicly said Jews or another religion normally dictates to curcomsize... but there's no medical evidence of anything..

my man is uncercumsized (not get a girlfriend?? that's a riot whoever told you that doesn't know what they're talking about!)

the only thing that MIGHT be a problem is if the babe isn't properly taught how to stretch the foreskin back and clean his penis properly when he's older.. the foreskin shouldn't actually clear the head of the penis until the babe is about 2 years old... between now and 2 and then it's like 2 minutes and a q-tip (I'm told) to properly clean...

some medical problems that might run in families:
1) forskin looses elastisity and doesn't clear the head properly (or clears then kinda stays above the "head")
2) infection (not cleaned properly-- usually after 2yrs)
or other medical problem that runs in families

whether he's got it or not really doesn't matter sweety.... my mom said something that I'll never forget "I know men who were cercumsized and who weren't.. I even know men who had it done on their own choice when they were 30-40 years old.... wether or not you have him cercumsized now or he decides to have it done later in his life makes no difference"

I can tell you right now.. whether he's cercumsised or not makes absolutely no difference whether he'll get a girlfriend-- it's not his dick that matters with a girlfriend it's how he conducts himself... in an intimate relationship it's how he uses what he's got and emotionally connect with his mate that matters... I don't know if he'll be picked on my man never was

we didn't opt for cercumsition... my son is uncut if he chooses to change that when he's older then he can change it on his own free will it will be his CHOICE (pending no medical problems but we're not dwelling on that)

Its a personal choice sweety but there is absolutely no medical reason in canada and the united states anyways to have a baby cercumsized. Men have gone throughout the ages without having it done and rumor has it that it can actually de-sensitize the penis making orgasm more difficult later. talk to your mom/ or dad about it.. might be awkward but they'll understand (hopefully if they're parents that you can talk to)

not sure if i helped any but know this.. not EVERYONE is cercumsized... you'll actually find that it's less common now then it was before..

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Tracye, I'm sorry but your post was disgusting. Anyone, man or woman that comes home from a hard days work needs a shower, period. My husband is in the military and when he comes back from the field you better believe the first thing he does is shower, cercumsized or not.

Maybe people should learn good personal hygeine instead of chopping off body parts.

And get over it, there is no medical reason to be cercumsized. Ask your freaken doctor and they'll tell you the same. Don't believe everything you find on the internet. Any creep off the street can create a website, like I said ask your doctor.

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::giggle: "Stanky wangs"

No, you're right Kati. Our sides won't agree. It all boils down to one major thing - GUILT. Neither side could ever admit they may have done something potentially harmful.

Thus when feelings of guilt crop up - the pissing begins.

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So I just have an objective viewpoint on this. My spouse was not circumcised (his mommy didn't want him to hurt). When we had our son he insisted that he be circumcised because it had caused him some issues not being. Like tearing and such that was painful, also having to be better about hygiene which my husband is a clean freak so for it to be an issue for him means its not just him. He went in with our son and it wasn't a big deal at all for him (our son). It never bothered or grossed me out that he (my spouse) wasn't, and he was not ever made fun of for not being. Since then he has chosen to get circumcised, more painful as an adult by the way. He is much happier with it now. He said "things" are better being circumcised vs. not being. So having an adult male's opinion having been one way then the other regardless of religious reasons or not hopefully will help guide you to the right choice for your family.

Lea - posted on 06/22/2010

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Don't do it. Its a stupid unnecessary out-dated practice. Everything they tell you about why you should do it is a lie. You know its common sense not to hurt your own baby. My son did not have it and hes fine.

Lisa - posted on 06/22/2010

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i have two boys they are not done if u teach them to keep it clean, i would leave it its all up to u they born with it so y take it away from them

Rosie - posted on 06/22/2010

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everybody here that is arging this is getting into a pissing match jen. it always turns into this, we're evil mutilators, and you are irrational hippies. noobody's facts even matter anymore, cause each side is so passionate about the way they feel. that's what i mean by pissing match. :)

i do not and will never get the way you feel, and i'm sure you'll never get how i feel. and as for the AAP not promoting circumcision, they don't advise against it either, so really it all comes down to what someone finds more important at the end of the day. people like you find that someone keeping a piece of skin until they are of an age to decide for themselves is what is important. i feel my decision to cut it off to hopefully (you're right not 100%) keep him and his sexual partners healthier, is more important.

i prefer my men bathed as well, cut or not. stanky wang is not my thang! ;)

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"The foreskin therefore can be likened to a rosebud which remains closed and muzzled. Like a rosebud, it will only blossom when the time is right. No one opens a rosebud to make it blossom."

Loureen i Love that. I'm weird i know but it is such a good analogy!

"The natural penis requires no special care. A child's foreskin, like his eyelids, is self-cleansing. For the same reason it is inadvisable to lift the eyelids and wash the eyeballs, it is inadvisable to retract a child's foreskin and wash the glans. Immersion in plain water during the bath is all that is needed to keep the intact penis clean."

I really wish people like Tracye Would realise this important information instead of telling utter B/S.

Jen i am so with you my husband is working in retail and before that he was a labourer and either way before we "get freaky" i like us to both have had a bath/shower. Just personal preference.

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Tracy, I'm sorry but you're really saying some odd things here. Douching is completely not recommended and can be harmful to the vagina which is self-cleaning. Cleaning the outside with a mild-cleanser (unscented) and water is all that is necessary. Soap and water on an uncut male is great.

And I don't know about you but I prefer all my sex partners bathe prior to sex, but that's just me. Mileage may vary.

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Julie, I've been with both men who were and weren't. I would choose sex with an intact man (if that were the only difference between them) in a heartbeat. The sensation is completely different and imnho, far more pleasurable. Plus, I never once got a yeast infection from my intact partners but got many from one particular cut partner who had the worst hygiene.

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kati, who on earth is getting into a pissing match? Certainly not me. I would again ask, if the research is so strong, then why does only WHO and neither the AAP or CAP recommend it be done for medical reasons?

Josephine - posted on 06/22/2010

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I tottaly agree with Sherry HInton, I have 2 boys and apparently in my culture (the New Zealand Maori) it is a common thing 'to do' u know, well I put my foot down done untold research galore on it, even watched documentries on it, everything a mum could do for her new born son(s) mine are aged 8mths and 6yrs old this year, it is deemed unecessary, although my husband is as well but is not of maori descent, good luck, in my opinion, each to his/her own, but I refrained from it to me its barbaric. :D :D besides if God wanted our boys to be w/o a foreskin they wouldn't have one.

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I circumcised both my sons. But I did it for religious reasons. First is it against your religion or is it just your family doesn't do that. Second is it against his religion not to do it? If neither of those apply then it's just a decision of preference. It would be more convenient for the child if he was circumcised because he wouldn't have to worry about cleaning after each bathroom visit and so forth. And it is easier to clean in the shower and bath. If it's not cleaned properly it can get infected. Other wise unless he or someone who knows tells everybody no one will know. And it's none of their business. It's a decision between you and his father with the consideration of what ya'll might assume your sons preference will be.

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People who project such shallow views on a mans penis ( he will never get a girl friend ) are not worth your sons time in the future , Tracey not sure where you find men with such hygeine issues but that's never been my experience , want to keep it clean ? teach personal hygiene , shower and soap , its pretty simple .



Circ is not recommended by any world health authority , in fact 85% of the world male population is INTACT !!



Intact is natural , why mutilate your babies natural given body ?

In Australia it is widely considered by all medical authorities as nothing more that cosmetic surgery .



Oh and my mums side of the family traditionally circ their infants , i explained to her all the outdated myths that have been debunked over and over , i explained i do not own my sons body nor do i have the right to permanently amputate a functioning piece of his penis , his body , his choice .

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Do what you feel comfortable with. I will say those people saying he will have trouble with being picked on and getting a girlfriend are probably right unfortunetly society is a little judgemental. There are also good reasons to get your boy cercumsized. Men that have not been their girlfriends are more likely to get yeast infections the being with a man that is. Good luck with your choice you make.

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*head/desk*

There's something really wrong about trying to justify mutilating a baby's genitals by comparing it to your own personal sexual preferences.

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Tracye, I don't care if a man is circumcised or not. At the end of the day, if a guy is all hot and sweaty, his junk is going to reek, and I'm not going anywhere near it.



Besides, you HONESTLY think that this is a good reason to mutilate a baby's penis? So what if it's stinky at the end of the day. It's called a shower.



As well, you're contradicting yourself. On one hand, you say that your boyfriend's penis is hypersensitive due to being intact. On the other hand, you're saying that it's not true that circumcised penises lose sensation. AND you've just recommended douching, which has long been decried by the medical community as a really damn good way to give yourself an infection. So you may want to do some more research and/or get your facts straight.

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Women have what is called a douche to keep our insides clean, also, a doctor can go internal through the vagina to test for disease. A man can carry chlamydia, and never even know that he has it, but a woman can suffer all kinds of things. That foreskin only goes back so far, and there is a groove between the head and the skin that can not be cleaned. Especially in the men who have tight foreskins. I can go on all day about this, but in all honesty, if your husband comes home from work, hot and sweaty, and you decide to be freaky, have you ever tried to kiss a man in his privates when they are uncircumcised at the end of a long hot day? The uncircumcised man smells sweaty, and tastes salty. The uncircumcised man smells sweaty and pissy, and has to bathe, before you can even get your freak on. No, it may not sound nice, but it is the nicest way that I know how to tell you to weigh the options. Piss= Bacterial growth. A man working on the side of the road, can't wash in a porta potty.

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did you read the link jen? it's very unbiased as it's from the cdc. it did say that in one of the studies that there was no difference in HIV aquisition before they were healed, or after they were healed. so i am assuming that it took that into consideration for ALL of the studies.
i am really trying to understand this whole debate, as i just don't get how you can feel its the same as FGM. in that case, a girl is cut to have no sexual satisfaction, and there are no health benefits to cutting into a female like there is with a male, in fact it does the opposite for a female. i just cannot compare the two. i do understand the argument that it's his body and he should decide, and it does make me think twice. but you know what, i make EVERY major medical decision my 3 sons have had. i choose to give them vaccinations, some people consider that poison, and that it gives your child autism. my oldest has aspbergers,and he's vaccinated. so if one day he reads this stuff about vaccines and autism could he blame me for it, and be pissed that i vaccinated him without his consent? sure, it's not very likely, but he could be. but you know what? i do what i think is best for MY children regardless. i think circumcising is best for MY children, just as i do vaccinations.

all of this hubub about circumcision is silly IMO. most of the people that are circumcised in this world don't have any problems with it, and every man i know that's circed LOVES that he is. and for the few who aren't, alot of them wouldn't of given 2 shits about it until someone who is against circumcision starts making them feel like they missed out on something. they'd of gone on with their happy lives not caring about their penis until somebody who is making a big deal out of nothing comes along and screws with their head.

i don't know, i don't like getting into pissing matches about this cause the other side seems so irrational to me, just as i'm sure i seem unrational to you, lol!! oh yeah, one more thing, at the end of the link, it says that the AAP is reconsidering their stance.

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There are a a couple of women who want to make this a political debate, like they are fighting for animal rights or something. This has to do with the child's health, and the health of whomever he decides to be with as an adult. Read the above link, and you will understand that this is a good thing, and by the way, the nerves do heal! Don't let that woman tell you that the sensation is gone, because it is not.


This has got to be the most ignorant thing I've ever seen. Saving boys from routine circumcision is far more important than any animal rights! But since you bought it up...we don't even allow tail-docking on dogs - CRUELTY TO ANIMALS!!!! - but we allow uninformed parents and behind-the-times doctors to hack off a piece of their baby. It is insane.

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well......my son is circumcized, no question for me, but.....I know there are alot of people who chose not to do that. Either choice you make, your son will understand your reason when he is older, and either way if he is taught how to take care of it properly, will have no problems. I have heard that if not circumsized, intimate relations are more sensitized, and more enjoyable. On the other hand, have heard that if they choose to do it when they are older, it is VERY painful, which it is when they are younger also, but difference being, they will have no memory of it when they are younger, but will as an adult. So, if due to religious beliefs, go with your beliefs. I know either way, he will have girlfriends, and live a perfectly normal life. If it makes your husband uncomfortable to help potty train him if not circumsized, might be something you consider also. Hope that helps, but it is a personal decision, and child will be alright either way.

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if the dad is done the son should be, easier to answer questions that way and its much cleaner.

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i work in a school setting so I can say yes children will talk. I can also say they are more prone to infections so that's another concern for not circumsizing

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Then Traci, why do neither the American Academy of Pediatrics or the Canadian Academy of Pediatrics endorse it as a health measure?

And the cleanliness thing is pure tripe, I'm sorry. Someone really needs to explain to me how it is harder for an intact male to stay cleaner than an intact female.

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But Kati, how do they address the facts that they did not take any surgical recovery time into account?

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When we had my son cercumsied it didnt even see to hurt him the main reason that i did it is there are some doctors that say if you dont it that its hard to keep them clean and it could make them sick,.,

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First of all it's your choice when he's born. If you don't do it when after he is born when he's old enough he can decide if he wants it done. We did all 3 of our boys because daddy has it done and I know lots of guys who get infections because they didn't throughout their lives.
The only bad thing I've seen with getting one done is what happened to my oldest son. He had to go back in at 15 months to have it redone because they didn't cut enough off and it was growing over the head so if we didn't have it redone he wouldn't have been able to pee.
I know a few guys that haven't been done and they still have girlfriends and no one picks on them.

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Puja, I certainly hope that you will read all of the medical information supplied to you by Kati Brown, and that it will help you make a good decision for your child and his future. There are a a couple of women who want to make this a political debate, like they are fighting for animal rights or something. This has to do with the child's health, and the health of whomever he decides to be with as an adult. Read the above link, and you will understand that this is a good thing, and by the way, the nerves do heal! Don't let that woman tell you that the sensation is gone, because it is not.

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Don't listen to that nonsense, He will not be made fun of; many people choose not too. On the other hand I decided to for my son, and everything has been fine, I decided for sanitary reason, he will just have to make sure to keep the area clean to prevent infections. Try not to get influenced my dumb nonsense, you'll know what to do, your mother instinct will kick in.

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Healthwise, it is better to have the circumcision, as it is easier to keep clean. When there is a foreskin, bacteria can form if not properly cleaned, and bladder infections, can arise. It is not true that if you don't do it that your son will never have a girlfriend, but if he doesn't clean properly as an adult, it can cause infections to his girlfriend/wife. I personally had my son circumsized for that reason. Cleanliness is easier. My boyfriend is not circumcised, and his mother did not draw the skin back on a regular basis to clean, and the skin almost closed over the head of the penis, and now, I suffer frequent uti's and yeast infections because he can't retract the skin to clean. He is also super sensitive, and has quick orgasms. It has been the parents choice to deal with the circumcision as far back as the days before Christ. This is coming from a woman who has to deal with health issues due to a mother who didn't accept responsibility for taking care of a uncircumcised child at birth. It will be easier in the long run for you, for him and his spouse, to have it done. (He will also last longer in the sack. LOL.)

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Circumcitions unless is very nesesary do it if the kid have too much skin but the only problem is your kid won't apretiate you take off nerves he would need for sensation when he grow up, cause cutting that extra skin you'll be cutting half of his nerves and will be hafl of his sesation so don't do it if you love him. just pull down the skin and would do just fine then teach him how to clean himself every time he shower.

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It really bothers me that people are so willing to cut off a piece of a body part to make so that it's "easier to clean".

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I am 48, male & uncut - the choice was left to me.
I have had no problems with health/hygiene, bullying or getting girlfriends.
Cleaning under it is simple - pinch the end closed a couple of times when urinating just once on most days. It is closed the same as a woman's labia, so it doesn't get dirty anyway.

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Uh, Vanita, your logic doesn't make sense. If you truly believe that your god knew it was a bad body part, why did he include it in the original design?

I wonder, are you this relaxed about female genital cutting?

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Ok I'm back again.

It IS a choice BUT It is NOT a choice for parents to make. We are here to raise and guide our children, preparing them for adulthood; in ALL aspects. Which means to make sure they have the knowledge of how to take care of their sexual health and proper hygiene. Sure it's uncomfortable for some to talk to their children about it but it's still a lot better then hacking off a piece of your child!

What about female circumcision then? How many of you circ'ing moms would allow your daughter to get circumcised? /:) There are ways to do it without taking the whole clitoris and we all know women have A LOT more hygiene issues to deal with then men do. Let's do them all a favor and start circumcising our girls! *eye roll*

As for the argument that they will look like daddy. Seriously? /:) Few children look exactly like their parents. They will pick up all the differences and it's a simple explanation then they are satisfied with it. Let's flip it over to our daughters again.

Girls are, in general, a lot more emotional than boys. So when they get breasts and they are different then moms, what are you going to do? Explain it away or alter their bodies so they "look like mom". /:) Seriously, the parallel can be made because both are considered private parts of our bodies, both sexes of our children will notice at some time. Boys just at a younger age, when it is easier I might add for them to accept differences. My hormonal pre-teen sure does not accept explanations easy all the time. Though she nor my son are overly concerned that they are "different" than my husband and I. They know ALL people are different.

The HIV/AIDS studies were performed in Africa. It is recommended (and misunderstood there as well) because of the high rate of HIV/AIDS. No person should ever try to correlate a study done in a third world country (where they lack access to proper hygiene methods, clean water, money to properly protect themselves [a.k.a contraceptives], a good sexual health education, etc.) to the western worlds where all this is available and more. I'm willing to bet though that most people did not look further into the "studies" to make sure it was applicable to lifestyles in our parts of the world.

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circumsision is not just a religeous thing God in His wisdom as he made u knew that there will be health issues if some male child grew up uncircumcise but it is all up to you i know of big men who decided that they want it for what ever reason.so relax do what makes you feel comfortable

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But that's just the thing, it's not "just your choice" as you say. It simply should not be anyone's choice except for the body that the foreskin belongs to. It's not a choice parents should make, it's not their body. I still think it is cruel, unnecessary and should not be allowed anywhere. That's my stance and I can;t agree to disagree on something so important. It's their body!!!

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But I do consider it a horrible thing. I honestly and whole-heartedly consider it male genital mutilation. I cannot be more clear or firm on that. In my opinion it is just as evil as female genital mutilation.

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I was just reading all the comments and wanted to say that you ladies don't have to hate on cercumsition. Yes it is a choice and yes there is no medical reason to cercumsize your son. It's pure cosmetic. If you teach him how to clean it right he won't have problem with it. But ladies don't put it as it's such a horrible thing to do. It is not. It's just your choice.

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Just to toss my 2.5 cents in a bit more. My son is 13 and understands to wash himself. If you really think about it, it would be harder to keep female genitalia clean due to all the folds of skin. Should we follow the example of certain tribal traditions and remove those for hygiene's sake?

I doubt anyone would say yes.

As to the study in Africa. It has been much criticized for many reasons but the biggest was not factoring in recovery time. A person still recovering from penile surgery is not likely to be sexually active while his uncut counterpart will be.

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more. After reading through all these posts I have a question. What gives you the right????
It's not your body. Just because you gave him life doesn't mean you can own his body and make adjustments as you see necessary. For all those people who do "cut" their boys because they "might" get an infection, penile cancer, aids etc.... how about teaching them proper hygiene and sexual behaviours etc.
If we start removing things from our babies bodies to prevent potential problems, well shouldn't we be taking out their appendixes at birth? You never know when they might have to have that removed in an emergency situation (one they can actually die from !!!) or tonsils? Let's get rid of those when they're born too, just in case they get inflamed one day in about 7 years. Does anyone see my point here?
What gives us the right as parents to go around removing parts of another human beings body?? We don't own our children, they are ultimately the ones who will live their lives, in their own bodies. It's not fair to take something that is their's without their consent.
To me this debate is old, gone around and around etc. So many people justify it with "it doesn't hurt" "he never felt a thing" "heals up in two or three days, no big deal" DID you just have part of your penis cut off??? Nope didn't think so.
Baby's feel pain, they feel fear etc.
oh and studies show that baby boys who were circumcized have a much lower tolerance for pain. This was tested by monitoring and measuring the strength of cry, length of cry, intensity of cry and time taken to settle down after all their routine vaccinations. Comparing non-cut boys to cut boys, the non-cuts faired much better for pain tolerance. Just saying....

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I will be as quick as I can here.
There is no medical reason for circumcision. It is considered a "cosmetic procedure" here in Canada where most health care is free, this procedure is paid for by the parents, as it is considered unnecessary for health reasons.
more boys today are left intact than circumcized, and my bottom line on this one is a strong opinion :
"It's not your body, not your penis. In my opinion it is morally wrong to remove a part of his body without medical need without his own consent. It's his body. He has to live with that his whole life, not you. He might want his foreskin, but he can't tell you that. It's not a parent's right to remove parts of their childs bodies without a medical reason. And for me doing so constitutes a parent willingly causing their infant immediate harm and potential future mental, emotional and physical harm. Leave it alone, it was put their for a reason!"

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THANK YOU Krista, Amie and Erin.

I do not know how many times i have tried to get that exact point across in these " To circumcise or not" Debates.

I have a girl and a boy and they both get bathed the same way. And neither have had ANY problems of this nature.
Thank you Girls! :)

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do not ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever try to pull the foreskin back, and don't let anybody else do it either. The foreskin is actually CONNECTED to the head of the penis, and trying to pull it back can tear the tissue (that's what causes most of the infections that people talk about). Just clean it gently in the bath with warm soapy water.



Amen Krista! This 'hygiene' myth is out of control. The intact penis is self-cleaning, just as a vagina. You clean it just as you would a finger... ONLY WHAT IS SEEN!!! The reason there are so many stories about boys needing circumcisions in later years is because people forcibly retract the foreskin. The reality is, by the time the foreskin can retract on it's own, a boy will be responsible for his own personal hygiene.

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Ok firstly, circumcision is NOT a parent's choice or right!!! Chopping off the perfectly healthy body part of a minor without their consent is a violation of that baby's rights! It is an unnecessary cosmetic procedure, perpetuated by ridiculous myths and old wives tales. Thankfully, most doctors in other parts of the world have recognised routine circumcision for the mutilation that it is. I have no idea why the US is so far behind on this issue.

Please please PLEASE take a look at the link Amie provided above. You will find all of the information you need to convince your partner to leave your son's genitals alone. If he is still challenging you, make him watch a video of a circumcision. And stand up for yourself and your baby! Your mothers' intuition is telling you to leave your baby intact. Please don't allow yourself to be bullied into a decision that will harm your baby and you will no doubt regret.

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"As they get older it gets more painful, as an infant they forget pretty quickly."

You're kidding right? As an infant they are ripping glands and forcefully detaching the foreskin (since it IS attached to the head of the penis until it is able to fully retract on it's own, around puberty) to pull it up and then snip it. Baby boys get a local anesthetic and restrained.

Adult men on the other hand already have penises that fully retract, so they don't have to deal with a doctor ripping the skin off the head of their penis! Not to mention the fact that they get fully put under for the procedure.

To say babies go through less pain is BS. Men will forget too. Most men who get it done as they age have it done for a VALID medical reason.

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There are valid medical reason for some cases of circumcision but routine circumcision is pointless. My son is intact and we have never had a problem with him, ever. The men in my family are intact as well as my husband. None of them have ever had a problem of any kind. A lot of reasons behind routine circumcision are hogwash.



This site has a lot of research behind it. If you click on Research at the top right, you'll find lots of resources for yourself. They also offer info packs but they are $13 (or you can put yourself on the wait list for the free ones and just pay shipping.) Either way, there is a lot of information to be had here so you make a fully informed decision.



http://www.savingpenises.org/index.html

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If the penile cancer risk was so much greater, then why doesn't the American Cancer Society recommend it as a way to decrease men's risk? In fact here is what they say on their site:

"In weighing the risks and benefits of circumcision, doctors consider the fact that penile cancer is very uncommon in the United States, even among uncircumcised men. Neither the American Academy of Pediatrics nor the Canadian Academy of Pediatrics recommends routine circumcision of newborns just for medical reasons. In the end, decisions about circumcision are highly personal and depend more on social and religious factors than on medical evidence. "

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/conten...

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