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Kristi - posted on 02/21/2013

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I'm not sure about that. You could check with DHHS/CPS, they would be better able to tell you. You could also seek help from a mental health expert in addictions and see if they could help you do a formal intervention where she agrees to go to treatment voluntarily. I hope everything works out!

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Kristi - posted on 03/20/2013

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The Mayo Clinic is far from WebMD. I am disgusted by some supposed scientific article claiming a person with a serious mental health problem is nothing more than a drama queen. Nothing like kicking someone when they are down.

It is because of people with your attitude that there is still such a stigmatism on people with mental health issues.

Gwen - posted on 03/20/2013

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Oh and here ya go hun:

I've taken the liberty of looking for a scholarly article and high lighting from it to show that I know what I am talking about. Scientific America is a NOTABLE, academic publishing, not "WebMd" where anyone can post anything. Here's the link to my high lights:

http://marker.to/MR9RZV

KNOWLEDGE IS KEY!

Gwen - posted on 03/20/2013

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Wow, I don't know if it needs to be said but your behavior is clearly indicative of the disorder you're so adamant as molding into your wishful thinking. Blessings to you! Good luck on your path to mental health and well being! I won't be replying to anymore of your attention-seeking "jabs," I wish the very best of luck to you. Also, you don't know me, so your petty insults are doing nothing other then lime lighting your presumable defect(s). I'm not ascribing a diagnosis to you, but your actions are saying a LOT, that I think you're subjectively choosing not to acknowledge. Blessings again! You should try yoga!!!

Kristi - posted on 03/20/2013

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Definition
By Mayo Clinic staff
Borderline personality disorder (BPD) is a mental health disorder that generates significant emotional instability. This can lead to a variety of other stressful mental and behavioral problems.

With borderline personality disorder, you may have a severely distorted self-image and feel worthless and fundamentally flawed. Anger, impulsiveness and frequent mood swings may push others away, even though you may desire to have loving and lasting relationships.

If you have borderline personality disorder, don't get discouraged. Many people with this disorder get better with treatment and can live satisfying lives.

Symptoms
By Mayo Clinic staff
Borderline personality disorder affects how you feel about yourself, how you relate to others and how you behave.

Signs and symptoms of borderline personality disorder may include:
Impulsive and risky behavior, such as risky driving, unsafe sex, gambling sprees or illegal drug use
Awareness of destructive behavior, including self-injury, but sometimes feeling unable to change it
Wide mood swings
Short but intense episodes of anxiety or depression
Inappropriate anger and antagonistic behavior, sometimes escalating into physical fights
Difficulty controlling emotions or impulses
Suicidal behavior
Feeling misunderstood, neglected, alone, empty or hopeless
Fear of being alone
Feelings of self-hate and self-loathing

When you have borderline personality disorder, you often have an insecure sense of who you are. Your self-image, self-identity or sense of self often rapidly changes. You may view yourself as evil or bad, and sometimes you may feel as if you don't exist at all. An unstable self-image often leads to frequent changes in jobs, friendships, goals and values.

Your relationships are usually in turmoil. You may idealize someone one moment and then abruptly and dramatically shift to fury and hate over perceived slights or even minor misunderstandings. This is because people with borderline personality disorder often have difficulty accepting gray areas — things seem to be either black or white.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/borderl...

No where in this legitimate source does it mention a person with BPD suffers from boredom and therefore creates drama. The link will provide the rest of the true facts about this mental disorder for anyone interested in learning more about it.

God help the people you "worked" with, Gwen, if this was your attitude towards them. Gross.

Gwen - posted on 03/20/2013

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I suppose I should have added to my post:

****I've worked with people who are paranoid schizophrenics, borderlines, narcissist and virtually any other well known mood and personality disorder out there for the past decade.



That's to answer Kristi's query to me:

"I would also like to know where your assumption comes from that a person who is "bored and thrives on drama" has borderline personality disorder."

That's were MY experience (not assumption) comes from.

Kristi - posted on 03/20/2013

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Hi Amy--

It's not a surprise her mother's doctor didn't know anything about the effects of Spice. I am taking a class lead by law enforcement and mental health officials. Due to all the things I mentioned about Spice in my first comment, law enforcement, mental health experts and medical professionals, including ER doctors are having a major hard time recognizing people under the influence of Spice.

The presenter tonight said 2 weeks ago he was called to the ER to evaluate a woman for an involuntary commitment to the psych ward because physically she was fine. The only drugs they could find in her system were her one prescription at the regular levels and low levels amount pot. She was known to regularly use pot. She worked and maintained full time employment, no history or family history of mental illness.

Yet, here sits this woman who could not even form a sentence. Her sister had brought her in. During the interview, this guy DMHP asked the woman, while pointing to her sister, does she know who this is. He said the woman just kind of made noises like she might say something and then she would just smile and her head would just bob around. So he "reminded" her who her sister was. This is your sister, "Jane," you know Jane, right? Nothing.

Anyways, he visited with the sister and the ER doc for a few minutes and went back to try to talk to the woman again. He asked her her name. Jane! He tried explaining no, that Jane was her sister. Then she made a "sentence" out of random words that had no correlation to one another at all.

They ended up putting her under a 72 hour psych hold. Upon further investigation and as her cognitive functions returned, it was discovered that her pot was laced with Spice.

Call me a drama queen or a skeptic or whatever, just because a baby is gaining weight does not mean it is healthy. Just because one GP doesn't know anything about Spice doesn't mean it must not be anything to be too concerned about.

It would be hard, very hard to have my daughter or stepdaughter feel/act/say they hate me but I'd be damned if I'm not going to do everything in my power to protect the life of my unborn grandchild, who consequently did not ask to be stored in a toxic, smoke filled, chemical balloon for 9 months nor to be born a drug addict.

Quite frankly, if she is continuing to smoke Spice and not even making any effort to at least slow it down, I would get CPS involved before the baby is born. She's obviously not going to quit once the baby is born if she made no effort when she needed to the most. Why give her the opportunity to do more harm after he/she is born and now relying on a selfish drug abuser to feed, change, clothe and comfort him/her? I've seen the damage first hand, some of which, could have been prevented if family members hadn't been afraid of being mad at by their loved one.

I don't mean to sound like a bitch or otherwise, Gwen, but I think you were handed an extra serving of grace from God when your son was born healthy after basically being forced to smoke Spice. Instead of being so callous about it, I would think you'd be a little more grateful and a lot less, I did it and my kid is fine so your kid will be, too. Ever hear of Russian Roulette?

I would also like to know where your assumption comes from that a person who is "bored and thrives on drama" has borderline personality disorder.

Your suggestions about fishing, creating drama and being mean, etc over an issue this serious, as if this were some kind of teenage reality show are a bit ridiculous. We're adults, not 16 year olds trying to one up everybody else.

Besides, this is Amy's personal post, not a general question up for debate. If you don't think she is any of the things you said, why would anyone else be? We don't know Amy or her boyfriend's 20 year old daughter. There is no reason for anyone else to "fish."

Amy, I hope you and your boyfriend and his ex are having some luck at getting some help for his daughter. I'm sure the stress is pretty overwhelming for everybody. My neighbor's adult son is addict and they've run the gammit when it comes to treatment, education and family involvement. They said they've gotten a great deal out of Alanon meetings.

They said they find a lot of emotional support there, as well as other ways to try to interact with their son to have better communication with him. Maybe that is something you all might consider. I know the meetings are free and to my understanding, there are usually a number of different meeting times and places. Of course, I would imagine that depends on where you live.

Here's to praying for a happy, healthy baby! Take care.

Gwen - posted on 03/19/2013

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Hmm...I don't know how to say this without being mean or insulting, so I'm going to preface this by saying I'm sorry, I don't mean to be mean or insulting:

If the doctors are okay with what she's doing (surely contrary to her mothers report her doctor knows that anything being smoked is a risk at the very least for low birth weight),

If the babies not having growth restrictions (#1 problem with any smoking tabacoo, marijuana, spice),

and the pregnant person you're thinking of hasn't already been involved with CPS then it seems like you are fishing...

Which leads me to think that you're either:

*A bored person, who thrives on drama (possibly a borderline personality)

*A jealous person who gave up things for her children and you're subconsciously or consciously projecting your own issues on to this poor 20 year old.

*Or you're just a mean person who creates pain for other people because you yourself are in pain.

She CANNOT be smoking that much if her babies putting on weight because smoking just 3-4 cigarettes a day while pregnant will cause growth restrictions and her babies gaining weight.

Further, is it legal in your state?

****That's the FUNDAMENTAL thing that's important in this discussion because IF it is (and it is NOT where I live) then you're DEFINITELY just creating drama, if it IS illegal then you can REPORT her to CPS and they'll come and test the baby immediately after delivery even if you are an unreliable source, because it will be considered neglect and abuse on her end if its illegal since the baby is thriving off of her input.

If it's legal then CPS won't even call her on your behalf because you'll be reporting something she has every right to do.

Smoking is not a guarantee that problems will arise for the newborn, its a risk, just like using herbal essence shampoo is a risk to getting cancer and using certain deodorants is a risk for breast cancer and eating Kraft Mac and Cheese is a risk for cancer, it's a "risk" not a definitive.

Again, I'm sorry if I was insulting or mean, I wasn't trying to be, I'm sure you're nice and kind and have good intentions, I just wanted to cover all avenues in case someone else is reading this and IS NOT thinking with good intentions but rather with their own warped issues. Blessings to you beautiful!

Amy - posted on 03/19/2013

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I'm glad to hear that there was no adverse effect on your child. The thing is that she has been doing it the whole pregnancy and has had stomach problems this entire time also. Her mother spoke to the doctor about it but he didn't know what spice was so he was no help. She will throw up for 2 weeks straight, unable to keep anything down and the doctors are doing nothing because the baby is gaining weight.

Gwen - posted on 03/19/2013

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No she can't be put into rehab, if it's illegal in your state then you can have her arrested if you turn her in. IF you do then she'll never be able to get government grants or student loans for college, she'll also probably never speak to you all again. I smoked spice the last month of pregnancies for one of my boys, not daily but a few times. It had no affects on my son, nor have there been any birth defects that have been attributed to it.

Amy - posted on 02/21/2013

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sorry my original post obviously didn't take. my question is....

my boyfriend has a 20 yr old daughter who is pregnant. she claims that she stopped smoking spice but we have it under good authority that she is still using. does anyone know if she can be put into rehab against her will?

Kristi - posted on 02/21/2013

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Jodi--

Your answer hadn't posted (to me, at least) before I commented....your answer is much simpler. ; )

Kristi - posted on 02/21/2013

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http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/dr...

http://melissamcclain.hubpages.com/hub/S...

http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/03/...

Pick any one or all 3 of these articles. Many of the side effects and health related concerns have yet to be confirmed and/or are known because there are just so many different chemicals that can be used, all in different doses, together or alone, that it is nearly impossible to do conclusive studies. But you will see that there are already some definite commonalities regardless of the mixture.

Despite what can or cannot be proven about Spice's complete array of damaging side effects, common sense has to kick in at some point. For starters, Spice is full of toxic chemicals...do you plan on feeding your child toxic chemicals once he/she is born, because by using Spice while you are pregnant, you are feeding him/her toxic chemicals right now. This a potentially addictive drug and if you continue to use Spice or any other drug, your baby will be born addicted, if he/she is even born alive. No matter what condition he/she is born (low birth weight to brain damage or by the grace of God, completely healthy), he/she will be taken from you by DHHS and/or CPS.

I'm not trying to sound condescending or mean or negative in anyway. Do you really not know how to take care of yourself in order to have a healthy baby? Surely, in school, if no where else, you had at least one class that taught the negative side effects drugs have on you, including the risks for an unborn baby. I can't imagine anyone, male or female, at the age of 20 in 2013, not knowing drugs are dangerous. Hence my comment about common sense kicking in.

If for some very tragic reason, you are unaware of the side effects of drug use on a baby, say so and there will be plenty of moms who will let you know what they are.

Either way, get your pregnant toushy to an OB/GYN much sooner, rather than later. Get proper, consistent prenatal care. Ask them for a referral to a doctor that can help you quit using and from there you will get further resources to help you stay clean during and after your pregnancy.

****I realize that you, Amy, did not say you are the 20 yr old but using "you" is easier than typing out "you or your friend" a hundred times.****

Prayers for you and your baby.

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