Public Elementry schools

Victoria - posted on 01/11/2010 ( 25 moms have responded )

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My son is ready for "big boy school" but i've worked so hard to get him to this level and I think public elementry might stupify him lol

Private is so expensive. Any advice for a single mom?

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Karen - posted on 01/12/2010

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I agree with Claire and Jackie, public schools are fine, and your son will only get out what he/and you put into his learning. I am also a public school teacher in Australia, and am also fed up with people knocking the public system. All teachers are trained the same- some end up with jobs in private schools,some in public schools. Having taught in both the top school in my city, and in disadvantaged areas, your child's success at school is largely based on the support and guidance from their family, NOT the teacher.

When your child starts school, the teacher will assess his abilities, and should teach him accordingly. Don't forget there is more to school than just academic/testable achievement- your child will also be learning social skills, working cooperatively with others, artistic and creative skills etc.

How do you know your child is gifted, or far above his peers? Has he been formally assessed? If so, when looking for schools, ask about their gifted and talented programmes. Most bright children do exceptionally well in their main stream class. In 13 years teaching, I have only ever accellerated 1 child a year- usually this is not advisable for social reasons.

Hope this helps.

Jackie - posted on 01/11/2010

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Public schools don't stupify anyone. You get out of it what you put into it. You want your child to have the best options in the school then you need to get involved. Know whats going on and make sure the teachers no you will accept nothing but 110% from them and you son will give them the same. As for gift classes those are for gifted students and that can not be determined by a parent. There is actual tests that are involved and the teachers will know if they have to test any child. Lets not put down a system because so many parents blame it for their own short comings.

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Tammy - posted on 12/29/2010

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{"public school doesnt make anyone stupid. i went to a public school and my entire family and we are by far stupid people"} Posted by Ashley Villeneuve

I was going to go into how the United states public school system routinely ranks as one of the worst in industrialized nations and how we have a 30% illiteracy rate coming out of our public highschools and all sorts of info and tid bits about the learned behaviors there but I think the post that I quoted above really says all that needs to be said. I can only hope that Ashely did that on purpose as a joke. If not then I guess it's a good thing that she's not considering homeschooling. (chuckle, chuckle) Really, I'm not trying to be mean, she did it to herself with that post.

Anyway, I would highly suggest trying to find out anything you can about private school scholarships or look for people on the homeschool groups for other single parents who homeschool. They are out there and they would be able to share how it can be done successfully. Sounds like you've already got a good head start!

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I'm at a loss to know why there seems to be an assumption that private schools are always better, and I find it quite insulting. I'm from Australia too, my kids all went to public schools. As Claire said, teachers are trained in exactly the same way for public and private schools. Involvement is crucial.

I think a child's academic progress, while naturally extremely important, is not the only factor to consider. It's a supportive environment that's important. Not every child wants to continue to university and it would be sad if they were pushed down a road they don't wish to go.



Good luck Stacie.

Ruth, why would a private school be better?

Victoria - posted on 02/08/2010

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Most of the schools I've contacted only go by age. For example my son is 4yrs so they will automatically put him in Pre-K....5yrs go to Kidner....
I will keep you all posted..

Victoria - posted on 02/08/2010

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I thank everyone for their comments, I appreciate it!
@ Jackie Mitchell....I went to public school, and I know kids who are a year and a few yrs older than my son that are currently in public school. I am quite aware that you get out what you put in. That is why my son is at the level he is now! When a school get low grades from the state....that's a problem WithIn the school...and that is my concern.
So I will blame the system for THEIR shortcomings. I have my end covered.
To All:
I did find out that you can request assessment tests at some schools, but most aren't going to throw it at you. It's gonna be a fight i see...and I'm all for it!!!

Victoria - posted on 01/25/2010

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Girl get out of my head!!!! I am going through the exact same thing right now! Amare told me he wants to go to big boy school (he's in a family daycare now). The attention and teaching there is excellent...and i've seen kids leave this school...go to public school...and forget the advanced teaching they already received. I'm looking for schools for my son now also...I'll keep you posted. You do the same :-)

Ruth - posted on 01/22/2010

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there is nothing wrong w/ public schools; obviously if you can afford a private school; it would be better; but what really matters is your child's grades in high school and college and what college they select; that will determine what type of career path they can take

Beckie - posted on 01/16/2010

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Don't forget the world is a learning environment. A child that is advanced in "book learning" often has weak areas such as socializing or physical coordination, a new language etc. My child read at age three and that just opened doors for her when she entered public school. The most valuable thing you can teach your child is to be a learner--they never lose that and it can't be dumbed down. And teachers will enjoy him.

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You need to check your proposed school, public or private, the person who will be your child's teacher, and the way the day is structured to see what your child will be experiencing. Look at more than just curriculum -- attitudes and interaction count for alot, too. Then you need to ask yourself what you want for your child and what that child needs right now. And you need to do this each year -- it all changes that often!
I ended up choosing a combination of both public and private education for each of my children, but that certainly was not the plan when the first one started school. They are both well adjusted, well educated, contributing adults. That might have happened in any case, but I know I did the best I could each year.

Shatara - posted on 01/15/2010

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I agree with Brittany, while out of work before Colson began Pre-K, I ended up teaching him how to write, begin to read and basic math skill. He knew all of what he learned that year in school. I decided to keep teaching him at home in addition to sending him to school so that I could get him ready for the Gifted and Talented program test. That's gonna be your best bet! Another option is Charter Schools but I haven't found any outstanding ones just yet. They all rank around the same but definitely better than local public schools.

Sharon - posted on 01/13/2010

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I think you're right to be concerned about public schools.



To often these days being a teacher isn't a "calling." Its a paycheck. Not that I blame all teachers. But I can think of two examples at my childrens school - the teachers are not there for the kids they are there for a paycheck, convenient hours, and a vacation schedule that matches their childrens' schedules. yes I know most teachers are underpaid and they act like it.



Teachers in private school and some/most church schools want to teach students whose parents give a shit. To many parents dump their over medicated/under medicated kids off on the public school system as a convenient daycare option. The teachers get no support from the parents regarding discipline issues and because its "public" the schools can't do shit about it.



however, in private & church schools - its a PRIVILEDGE for a child to be there and for damn sure the parents are going to protect their investment.



I had a way better quality of teacher when I was in church school. usually children attend the same church school their parents go to church to worship at and there is a stigma attached to getting into trouble or bad grades.



That said, there are a couple of oustanding teachers at my childrens school too. I adore those women and totally admire their dedication. These women are fantastic. They will do virtually anything to help a student. Then there the bad ones who don't return phone calls, screw up basic things like a book order... a freaking nightmare. Those women disgust me.



But with parents raising holy hell over stupid ass shit like the length of a childs hair, that is breaking a rule that was in place BEFORE THE CHILD was enrolled, to the point that the school has to go to court over it, of COURSE there is no more money to pay for better quality of teachers.



Call around, try to find a scholarship program for your son. or possibly a charter school, those are awesome.

Mary - posted on 01/13/2010

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Public schools are not bad. you just have to see which one is more suited for your child. Now a days you can choose a magnet school with out you living or zoned to the area. All of my children went to public schools and graduated from college and they did good. also you may look into a school that is K-8 and this helps alot. One to try is Rice K-8.

JESSICA - posted on 01/12/2010

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Oh. .by the way. . I was a single mother of three for about 10 years. . my oldest turns 15 next month. . and as a freshman. . is an average student but has athleticly surpassed more than 60% of the students in a 5A school. . . and has made the varsity team in 3 areas. . . My 9 yeal old son has made the robotics team the first time out. . . We moved from a rural area to the city. . from a school with a population of a total 400 students in a high school to a school with the population of about 3000. IT IS NOT EASY. . I GAVE UP MY COACHING CAREER FOR THEM. . .it will be worth all the hard work. . headaches. .late nights up. .and arguments. I wish you the best of luck

JESSICA - posted on 01/12/2010

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Victoria, Let me lay out some facts for you before you make any decisions. I totally understand where you are coming from as a mother but as an educator I am totally offended of how you are judging the education sytem before even knowing the ins and outs. However please remember where you came from and if you got educated at a public or private school. Did that affect the intrinsic motivation for you to become who you are today. Probably not. So in defense of he public school system; 60% lies within how much the student wants to achieve. The other 40% is how much influence is the student is getting from home! Is this always the case? Of course not but, in these days if you as a parent are not up to date as to what is ging on in school and in their life then you already lost him before you let him loose out into the world. However, Please remember that public shools have standards to meet! State standards. . . and if they are not trying to get their students to meet or surpass those standards then they are with out a JOB! AND yes resources for public schools are limited but thats where the student needs to rely on true skill and not enhancements like technology, or given data and so forth! Toooo much is given and not excpected in my opinion.

ALSO remember that private schools may not have to follo state guidelines therefore they are not funded by the state and there fore you as a parent pays and how for sure do yo know what cirriculum is being followed? THINK ABOUT IT? Yes, public schools are all about a major test. . BUT YOU TELL ME . . . what ISN'T. . drivers liscence. . to get into college (sat) (act) to get teachers certificate to be a public shcool teacher!

Your son is young. . boys tend to be a litter smarter but at the same time lazier. . it will all boil down to HOW MUCH DOES HE REALLY WANT TO DO.... not you. . we are parents. . GUIDES. . to our childrens future. . NOT the PATH MAKERS of their future. . but only to provide the BEST OPPORTUNITY to achieve their highest dream. . dont forget that. . . its hard to let go and let them be what thier true caling is.

Angie - posted on 01/12/2010

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First of all, stupify is not a word..... Children who use the gifts that God gave them, will do quite well in public or private school. It's true, public schools probably have a larger student to teacher ratio than private schools but if you and your child are truly engaged he will do great. The best thing you can do is make sure that you get to know your son's teacher and volunteer in the classroom as much as possible. He will get the attention he needs and he will be far happier in school. It might also be wise for you to temper your disdain for public schools when you sign your son up in the Fall.

Rosie - posted on 01/12/2010

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everybody i know has been to public school, and they are in no way stupid. in fact my best friend has her masters degree in literature and is going for a phd. i believe how well your child will do in school, is up to you as a parent to guide them, and be involved in their school life. this will be the case in public, or private school.

Ashley - posted on 01/11/2010

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public school doesnt make anyone stupid. i went to a public school and my entire family and we are by far stupid people

Jenn - posted on 01/11/2010

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Some things to remember are that some schools appear to have good test scores and different awards or achievements, but they may not have been legitimately earned. I worked for such a school and wouldn't have put my kids there if they paid me! Also, some of the Title I schools (low-income) have had gifted and talented programs established longer than others and thus are better equipped and better trained in how to work with students who need to be offered more challenges. In my area, the school in the bad part of town is significantly better than the one in the best part of town. This isn't true everywhere, but don't dismiss a school until you talk to other parents with school-aged kids who can offer you some good information.

Kellyn - posted on 01/11/2010

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I don't necessarily think that a public school is a bad idea, but generally speaking, they can't be as one-on-one with the kids because the student to teacher ratio is so high. Private schools are better in my opinion, if you can afford them, because that ratio isn't so high, and generally speaking, they tend to follow my personal beliefs more. That's just me.

I plan on homeschooling my daughter if we can't afford private education. But I do agree that whatever you do, get yourself involved as much as you can to make sure your kids are learning what you want them to learn, and to make sure they get the most out of whatever education they are getting.

Brandi - posted on 01/11/2010

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I think the key to a good education is INVOLVEMENT! It sounds like you have been involved with your son so far, so keep it up. My daughter started preschool this year and is the most advanced in her class (which I don't feel is by accident). I have worked with her on all the things she needs to know for school since she could talk. I have spoken with her preschool teacher about what I should do when she enters kindergarten and she has suggested that I push for Enrichment classes for her. I don't feel my daughter is "gifted" but she is very smart and able to learn very easily. She catches on quickly and LOVES LOVES LOVES to learn as much as she can. My husband and I have discussed her testing out of kindergarten into first grade, but have decided that that would not be in her best interest socially, so I WILL be ACTIVELY pushing for more advanced classes for my daughter when she gets to elementary school. I believe that she will be really bored in a kindergarten class when she already knows all the things she should know for that level. I may have to fight for my daughter's education, but believe me it's a fight I'm very prepared to fight. :-)))) Good luck. and I don't believe that public school will "Stupify" him, just be prepared to fight for him to be challenged or him being "stupid" isn't going to be your problem, Him being a behavior problem will be your issue. Good luck.

Claire - posted on 01/11/2010

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As a teacher in a public/isolated school, I am saddened that I find myself constantly defending the public education system. I live in Australia, so I'm not sure how other schools work around the world but every teaching program I write is required to include a gifted and talented rubric. I think parents also need to be aware that while public schools can be grossly underfunded, public school teachers have exactly the same training (if not better training) than private school teachers.
A child's ability to learn and retain information is not primarily influenced by their schooling, but rather, their family/carers and their own attitude towards study.

Angela - posted on 01/11/2010

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Maybe talk to your public school about seeing if you would be able to push him up a grade, like if they have a Jr 1st grade program, which is a step above Kindergarten or see if you can get him into a school with a gifted and tallented program. You can have him tested into that if you feel it is neccessary. I feel that public school helps kids grow and understand that everyone isn't on an even playing field and that they need to be respectful of others who are smarter and not as smart as them. It will teach your child to respect those who are less than him and those who are more than him. If you truly feel that he curriculum is lower than your expectations you can always homeschool and get your child into a mixed ability play group.

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I was worried about my kids school too, so I volunteered as much as I could. Even if you can't volunteer during the day a lot of schools have things in the evenings. You really get to know the teacher that way and get a hands on experience of what your childs class is like. I was able to volunteer on a weekly basis. I had three kids go through the same school and I was there so much that the principal suggested that I get a the sub list for classroom aids. Now I have a part time job with the school. Best of luck!

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I am homeschooling my child, but as a single parent working to support your child I realize that may not be possible, most public schools have classes for gifted children. It might be worth checking into.

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