Pushing yor baby in a stroller and its freezing cold!!!

Stifler's - posted on 05/17/2012

Wow oops this is old.

Stifler's - posted on 05/17/2012

I think she means 15 Fahrenheit. Have you said anything to her?

Elizabeth - posted on 05/16/2012

Why are people attacking the OP for calling her an asian woman?!its just a description-its not racist to decribe someone now is it?!honestly people have gone way over the top with their political correctness & it is PATHETIC!!would you be the same if she had described her as a white woman...?I doubt it.

But i agree with those who said butt out,she's only taking her kid for a walk,she's not beating him,sounds like you need to get out more yourself to be honest.

Lorraine - posted on 02/24/2010

are you racist? who cares if she is asian. and maybe the child is warmly dressed. children need fresh air you know. I would say to mind your own business. where I live people walk their babies in minus 60 temperature and they are just fine. 15 is hardly cold

Tanya - posted on 01/27/2010

I believe it depends on the situation. One of my children developed croup and his pediatrician during the winter now advised me to take him for walks for at least 30 minutes. The pediatrician says the cold air helps the cough and opens up the airway. I do believe an hour is a bit long though but you don't mention here the type of clothing the child is wearing either. I wouldn't necessarily be using tons of blankets either if my infant was in a snow suit and such. However, if your concerned you can always call Children and Famiy Services just to be sure the infant is not being harmed by being exposed to the cold weather. If all is fine nothing will come of it, but if things aren't you might be saving that baby's life.

Michelle - posted on 01/27/2010

Ok Cami...no one actually said you were racist...the only time the word racist came into nay post was with yours..and mine now. You said that you didnt think it was safe? But what harm actually comes to a baby that is under blankets, outside with its mother? I dont think safe was the right word to use...maybe you should have said 'I dont think its that good or I think its not good for a baby to be out in this cold weather.

I know your trying to say your not judgmental, but just not bothering to speak to her properly and then coming on here making assumptions that her baby is in danger for beign out in the colder weather..well thats judgemental...people judge when they dont reall know the full story....you didnt know that it would be in her culture to take the baby out (if it is) yet you didnt ask her anything to find out this, you just came on here..

Of course arguments are gonna arise from this post...the post sounded degrading to parents who take thier children out in the cold...If you dont think this lady is a bad mother, or wrong to be doing what shes doing, then you wouldnt need to say anything, ud let her be.

and indoor play areas...arent they a breeding ground for bugs? surely this could be seen as the same a taking your child out in fresh air????

Ashley=) - posted on 01/27/2010

Cami don't feel knocked down.i made my comments more so directed by what others posted.the call cps was made by another poster so i wanted to air my view as to why you should consider not doing that.Your post never indicated to me you were going to call cps.

I was harping on about cps because i dont agree with others for giving this advice to you.

we all read the other comments and post a comment based on what we have read its all about agreeing with some &airing views about other comments made. its the whole purpose of the site.i wasnt trying to be rude to you its normal to be concerned for another if we feel there in danger etc just in your case its something you wouldnt do.thats your right to feel.i think what you said got lost some where and where just reacting to other comments made instead.Certanily wasnt trying to put your feelings down on being concered for another.:)

Only2sunshines - posted on 01/26/2010

What should you do? Just keep thinking what an idiot she is .... and wish well for her child. Your idea of safety or whats "good" for her child doesn't matter! Its not child abuse, it's what would be considered bad judgement in your opinion, but obviously not hers.

Mel - posted on 01/26/2010

you get alot of judgement on here Cami but certain members, try the smaller groups

Cami - posted on 01/26/2010

And the woman who told me to mind my own business, cuz im not the parent, this website was designed for other mothers to get into other mothers business!!! Dont be a hypocrite. And then stay out of MY business. Thanks for everyone MommaMantha B for actually helping me.

Cami - posted on 01/26/2010

ok, obviously, i didnt clear up everything to some of you from my last posts. Im not racist, i didnt know if it was something that her culture does. Im not judgemental. I never said she was wrong, or that i wasnt a wise decision. I personally dont take my kids out for walks when its cold, but we do go to and indoor playworld, so my kids to get out. And for the moms who said, "I cant do anything with my children without other moms saying something", im a teen mom of 2, so when im out without my husband and forget to slip on the wedding ring, i get bashed too. So dont even get me started. DO what you want to do with your own kids, like i said i was never going to call the cops on her, my dad is a cop, he would give me the best advice anyway. I didnt kill anyone, i just asked a friggin question

MommaMantha - posted on 01/26/2010

I live in Wisconin and let me tell you it gets cold here. Mydaughter who is now 2 1/2 has often gone on walks with me or my father in the cold. Ok maybe not those super negative windchill days, but you get the idea. My daughter loves it, in fact she getsmad if she doesn't get to go outside on her walk.
We have always made sure that my daughter was dressed warm enough and to be honest I think that sometimes she got upset becasue she was over dressed and hot rather then cold. She sleeps alot better on nights that she has gone out for a walk as well. Not to mention, walking is my mode of transportation....so it's not really an option unless I plan on staying indoors atleast 6 months out of the year :)
The hour and a half might be a little lentghy but I too would have to agree with another comment made on here that it could very well be a cultural thing. There is actually a Chinese pracatice that refers to hot and cold effectig certain things and symtoms in our bodys. (I don't know much about it so I can't really go into details) but I do have a friend who practices this kind of therapy.
Try and talk to the woman on a friendly level...but don't attack....you never know what you might find, You may even just make a new friend.
Just my thoughts :)

Emma - posted on 01/26/2010

I live in England and have to take my youngest son out twice a day to take the oldest son to and from school I have done this since he was a few weeks old. It was 2 degrees (celsius) this morning and must have been around 50 younger siblings in the playground all wrapped up in blankets and hats. My son is 3 now and even when my husband has a day off and he could stay at home he gets his shoes and coat because he wants to
walk with us!
The fact that this mother has tucked her baby in blankets indicates to me she is pretty sensible and in no way neglecting her baby.
I just wanted to add that I was encouraged by the midwife to take both my boys out at around four days old because they had persistent jaundice and sunlight helps with that.

Mel - posted on 01/26/2010

yeah i kinda thought that the baby is still alive so cant be in too much danger. Ive seen some of Steffi's posts in other threads and she does things herself that some would consider abuse too. Not that I judged I dont know her from a bar of soap, just my observations. Anyway I think alot of people have responded to this I havent read the responses except for the last couple but yeah im sure the OP will make the right decision

Michelle - posted on 01/26/2010

i have a feeling steffi is the shit stirrer? I dont think thats even her real thoughts, just pure fact shes trying to start the argument again.

We all know, for real, this baby isnt in danger....how many times has she walked that baby out in the cold?????? its still alive isnt it!!!!!!!

Mel - posted on 01/26/2010

You are right Ashie I didnt think of it fully that way. I have been in her shoes because the women on here report me all the time, of course I can see how it would be upsetting if shes guilty of no wrong doing but tbh I was never fazed a single bit because I knew none of it was truth and so did everyone around me even dcp. But your right that bub isnt going to sit there if it is cold

Ashley=) - posted on 01/26/2010

look no baby who is freezing is going to sit content in its buggy fr long and if its so cold the mother isn't going to say out long too.If cps is called and this woman is giving a call from them and shes cleared of any neglect or abuse how will this woman feel she have a fear of this happen again it can knock a mother for six who is doing a good job and would never hurt abuse or neglect her child to no that someone made a call because the thought she was doing this etc its not something taking lightly.i would never do it to someone unless that child is in clear danger of abuse or neglect and to me this sound not likely with her just having the child in its buggy.put herself in her shoes.

Mel - posted on 01/26/2010

If the baby is being walked ll the time and not upset im sure it is fine, I mean we have hot weather right now in australia and we see people walking newborns and we wonder why because its so hot, like we cant even sleep over night even with the air con on, my daughter cant go to bed til 11pm. If you think there is a problem you can always call someone but I dont think its really good to interfere. Some people on this site have accused me of things and tried to interfere and it doesnt get them anywhere at all because they dont know anything about my child. But you see this woman in person so by all means do what you think is right

Krista - posted on 01/26/2010

Seriously, Steffi? Seriously? For all that Cami knows, the kid could be wearing a down-stuffed snowsuit underneath those blankets. But you're comfortable declaring that this woman is abusing her child and would call the cops on her? Wow.

Steffi - posted on 01/26/2010

Call the police ASAP that's what I would do. That's child abuse

Peita - posted on 01/26/2010

You will find that some asian cultures do overdress their children for all kinds of weather, so there might not be anything to worry about! I worked in a child care centre (in Australia) and had a family that would bring their baby in in a singlet, 2 long sleeved jumpsuits and a jumper in summer, the summer here is usually between 30 and 40 degrees celcius!!!! We took all but the singlet and 1 jumpsuit off his first day and were blasted by his mother for doing so! We had to respect her wishes and just keep fluids up to this baby and keep him in the cool! I didn't agree with how hw was dressed, but he was a happy baby and everything else seemed ok! If she is a single mum, her down time might be when she is outside with her bub! I would be concerned seeing a baby in the cold every day, but if the baby is happy, I would probably let it slide! Good on you for being concerned, but there probably iisn't anything to worry about!

Charlene - posted on 01/25/2010

I would say that it's not really any of your business to do anything unless you KNOW for a FACT that the baby is under dressed for the weather. It's good for both her and her baby to get out and get some fresh air and exercise. It'd be pretty depressing sitting around inside all day.

Also, Bev, I think you should take your own advice and be a little more thoughtful and less nasty with your posts.

First you said it was 'wrong' for a mother to take her child out in inclement weather and then you said that it wasn't a 'wise decision', pretty much saying that it was stupid. How rude of you to suggest that those of us that do take our children out are not making wise decisions. I had my daughter out today and it was between -5 and -10 celsius today. Couldn't help it, she had to go for her vaccines and we had to walk. It doesn't mean I wasn't 'wise' about it. I had her bundled up fairly well.. a short sleeved onsie under a very thick long sleeved onsie, tights, denims with fleece lining, a heavy knitted sweater and fleece lined vest with her fleecy hat. On top of that she was in her carseat, attatched to the stroller and in her carseat is a fleece lined bag and I had the canopys over her with a blanket overtop of that. She was bundled a lot warmer than I was, that's for sure.

So I would appreciate it if you didn't go around saying that it is 'wrong' to take your children out when it is cold, because it's not your place to say what's right and what's wrong.

Cherie - posted on 01/25/2010

Have you even tried to talk to this "Asian woman" nicely as a neighbor? You don't know what the baby is wearing underneath. I can't believe people are telling you to call on her! Crap like this makes me glad I don't live in the USA anymore. And why did you feel it necessary to call her an "Asian woman"? What does her race have to do with anything?

Ann - posted on 01/25/2010

You cant do anything with your kids anymore without someone saying something. I say just mind your business. If you really need to know. Then when you see her out there again, go out there and just walk around and then go up to her and say aww and get a closer look at baby. If the baby seems like the cold is bothering her then you can say something.

Michelle - posted on 01/25/2010

I remember being in a department store, It was raining outside and pretty chilli. Well I was shopping with my daughter and as we all know when you come in from the cold, you take the raincover off the pushchair as baby could overheat right? Well as I was shopping there was this lady with a 3 yr old ish lil girl and a baby in the pushchair around the age of newborn to 1 month. She had her in a snow suit and blacket as well as a raincover over the pram and she had been in the store for at least ten minutes...the baby's hood had fallen over her face. now I could see this mom was pre-occupied with her other lil girl and she looked flustered and tired. I didnt come on here and go 'you know what I saw the other day, what should I do?' NO, I went up to her, tapped her on the shoulder and pointed out that the hood was over the babies face..she was infact foreign and didnt understand a word I said so I had to sign it to her in a way shed understand. She took one look at her baby and removed the raincover and the hood, took her baby out and cuddled it. Now that wasnt so bad was it, I didnt have to call child protection on her, or find a police officer, i just spoke to her in the nicest way I could, I dont think shel forget that moment and she was very thankful. Sometimes we just have to have a lil bit more compassion and 'talk to people'.

Krista - posted on 01/24/2010

I also live in Canada, and if I only took my baby out when it wasn't cold or snowy, we'd be housebound for months at a time. I took him out the other day in -10 Celsius, and he was fine -- I have one of those plastic thingies that fits over the stroller to block the wind, and had him in his nice fleecy bunting bag and his mad Russian winter hat, and he was happy as a clam -- fell asleep before we even got to the end of the driveway.

As far as Cami's post goes, as others have said, you don't really know what the baby is wearing under those two blankets. The baby could have a snowsuit on underneath that. If you're still concerned, maybe go introduce yourself sometime when you see her out there, and just say something like, "Brr...cold day out here! How do you find your little one handles the cold?" It's a better option than you sitting there fretting and worrying for what might be no reason at all.

Kelly - posted on 01/24/2010

i am a mother of 6...there is nothing wrong with having your children outside , fresh air is great for you...really...if the child is not crying. its fine..and probably sleeping quite soundly!

Sharon - posted on 01/24/2010

your original post had all the tact of a kkk sermon. seriously - ok ok ok, it wasn't THAT bad. I'm kidding.



But honestly... if I had said "some black woman was eating watermelon" and everyone jumped my shiznit, (it would be justified!!!) and saying "I was wondering if it was part of her culture" later, would not make it ok.



Yes, some cultures have different attitudes towards the cold.



I know my south american friends abhor the cold. Exposing their children to freezing temps is courting death.



On the other hand my relatives don't believe in heating your house above 50F because then you'll be sick all the time. This is why the Japanese invented heated toilets with music. I shit you not, I saw it at the korean grocery the other day. fyi - anyone ever try to PEE when its freezing ass cold? OMG I could not do it.



You're right to be concerned because sometimes people don't dress their children appropriately out of ignorance of some cultural belief.



If you're going to approach her, be prepared for anything... I think you can put gun worries away though....



You might say "AW! The baby is soo cute!! I love his eyes! Are his cheeks always that red? Any chance he's cold?"



Good luck.

Angie - posted on 01/24/2010

What should you do? Nothing, it's none of your business. I live in northern Wyoming and if our children weren't tough enough to be outside in these types of temperatures, they would never leave their homes for over 6 months at a time. In fact, it was about 10 degrees out the other day and I saw a family that was all bundled up except thier baby who was in pants (hiked up around his knees) and a short sleeve cotton shirt. I said nothing, it was none of my business.

Ashley - posted on 01/24/2010

laura i live in ottawa so we pretty much get the same weather and you are right. i've taken my kids out when it's cold. we have more cold weather than warm and i'm notabout to stay in because if it. you bundle your child up and take them out. cami i cant stand when mothers dont mind their own business. it happens a lot these days and people need to know when it's not their place to say anything. if the mother had the child out in shorts and a tshirt k fine but she's taking her baby for a little stroll. i just think it's rediculous how ppl have to jump to conclusions all the time. and i'm sorry but who are you to say what days she should be staying inside

Isobel - posted on 01/24/2010

I live in Toronto, Canada...we DO take our kids out on cold days for walks (in fact I do not know how to drive so my children went EVERYWHERE out in the cold with me) and they loved it.

Bev...I thought you were the one being judgmental and rude by assuming that because YOU didn't take YOUR children out in the cold the rest of us must be bad mothers (or abusive in some way)

Actually I do believe that some Asian cultures believe that it is NECESSARY for babies to get AT LEAST an hour of fresh air per day...so I do believe that the Asian part of the story was an important part.

Just because you don't take your children out in the cold doesn't make the rest of us abusive...come on now.

Carolee - posted on 01/24/2010

Your original post was worded in a way that made it seem like you were about to call social services on her. It's not your child, and you need to realize that just because YOU wouldn't take YOUR kids out on that kind of day does not in any way mean that another mother shouldn't. Every body has their own way of raising their own kids, and that's what makes motherhood an adventure... but too many people start sticking their noses in other people's business when nothing is wrong! It is HER choice, and it requires NO action from anybody, especially nosy neighbors.

Cami - posted on 01/24/2010

Ashley, Carolee, and Heather, i dont understand why you have to be so rude. I asked a simple question. I wasnt going to call somebody on her. My father is a cop, and has seen his fair share of abused, and neglected children. It just sent up a red flag in my head, i have had the occasional "hi, how are you?" but she never really answers, and thats fine. She seems nice. I just dont do that personally. Thankyou for reading my post but refrain from being rude and mean and try being nice and a little more helpful. Thanks anyway

Cami - posted on 01/24/2010

I wasnt trying to be "racist" at all. I wrote that she was an Asian woman because i didnt know if it was something that her culture did. I really dont appreciate how im attacked for asking if i should more worried about a helpless baby. She doesnt seem to have a male staying with her. Im not bashing getting out of the house for fresh air, i do it with my kids, but i do it on the days that arent so cold. The baby seems to be fine but im always inside when i see her pass by. She doesnt seem neglectful or a "bad" mom. Just there have been some days to where its just too cold to where she should have just stayed inside.

Amanda - posted on 01/24/2010

Bev- I live in the buffalo area as well..... i definately take my son out for walks in the cold around my neighborhood, as long as the roads aren't really snow covered and it's not cold and raining (like today). he stays quite warm, warmer than me actually, and is quite healthy. cami didn't mention that the baby is in any distress, so chances are he/she is not cold. perhaps the baby has croup, in that case fresh COLD air is very good for them. my son has always loved to be outdoors since he was a newborn despite weather conditions. and as i mentioned earlier, i get looks i get comments but i am not harming my baby in any way, he is well taken care of. if i saw a baby out and about in light clothing, no hat, no mittens, no blankets/coats then yes i would be concerned and do something about it. Cami- your best bet is to get a closer look, see if the baby appears cold and then maybe confront the mom

Beth - posted on 01/24/2010

Cami asked for advice not snotty replies...

Lianne - posted on 01/24/2010

well i dont think theirs anything wrong wiv it, i take my daughter out and she wears thermals under her normal clothes, and has blankets, children need fresh air, u cant stay in ur house coz its cold, some people dont drive and hav 2 go out for food shopping or other stuff,

Michelle - posted on 01/24/2010

If the forum is designed to help mothers, the Cami would be being hypocritical. She would not be helping the mother by sticking her oare in, shed only be helping her own judgmental self. Sorry but its tru, yes we all care for other peoples children, I am a childcarer that works alongside social services...this is not a case for social services nor for another human being to see that telling the mum how to look after her child is right...Cami why dont you just one night go out there for a walk yourself, then on your way back if shes still there, just pass a question thats not rude, something jokey like 'arent you cold out here'. If she replies No, then you may find your reason as to why the baby is outside in his pram. If she doesnt answer you and seems withdrawn, ask her id shes ok or would like to come in for a Tea...but in your case she probably smells of curry too.

Bev - posted on 01/24/2010

yes there is a difference Sharon but, i don't know where you live but here, we don't take babies out in strollers on a cold, freezing, blustery, winter day. it's just not done. babies and the elderly are more susceptible to effects of such weather than we are. even if the baby is bundled up (and that includes the entire face covered except for the eyes, nostrils and mouth), it's still not a good idea. Yes babies need fresh air and it is good for them. I raised three children (the old fashioned way) and they were never taken for a "stroll"out in inclement weather. I was responding to the comments to butt out and mind your own business because i thought they were nasty responses. taking a baby out in bad weather for a "stroll" may not be on the same level of a beating, but it's still not a wise decision. that's all i am saying. i wish people would be more thoughtful and less sarcastic and nasty in their comments. what a better and more pleasant world we would have if everyone did that!

Deborah - posted on 01/24/2010

This seems like such a hot topic, I figured I should stick in my 2 cents worth.
"Maybe this is why they are missing all the important cases of child neglect because they are dealing with complaints like this."
BINGO!
Its great to hear that there are people out there that worry about all children and not just their own. But please please please make sure you know what you are talking about. Talk to the woman, or pay attention to when she's putting the blankets on. Maybe the child is wearing alot of clothes. If so then don't worry. If the child looks like they are in distress then call someone. Maybe you can find a friend who knows someone (police or CPS) who can just swing by and see informally. Children need to be protected. But that means that their parents need to be given the proper chances and tools to protect them. Maybe her doctor has told her to take the baby for walks. Just be careful.

Beth - posted on 01/24/2010

ok so it offends some of you because her race was mentioned..grow up.. you can see by the post that she wasn't trying to pick on Asians...She should have just said "A lady" would you all feel better then? I get so tired of the race issues..
Cami is just concerned is all..she asked for help on what she should do.. well as of now, nothing..but why do you all come in here to supposably help ppl, but then Jump all over a person because they might not have written the letter the way you want ?
Very sad...this forum is for Mothers to help each other when they can.. I agree with you Bev

Mary - posted on 01/24/2010

Bev, I think the problem here is that not all of us agree that this child IS in harm's way.

While I may not live in Buffalo, it does still get cold her in Baltimore, and other than the week before Xmas when we had 2 feet of snow on the ground, I have walked my daughter and 2 dogs practically every day, outside since she was a few weeks old. She's in a fleece bunting, strapped to my back in a baby carrier. Unless it is horribly windy or there is heavy precipitation, we are out for about an hour. Not only is she fine, but she is HAPPY doing this, as well as healthy. Perhaps some of us are a little heartier than you and yours, because I believe fresh air is GOOD FOR US =)

Denise - posted on 01/24/2010

If the baby had no blanket on i would be concerned, but to be honest this is just the way some mums are, was the child crying or seemed upset or was the child settled and content? id talk to her or if you dont feel like you want to just keep an eye out for other behaviour but calling the likes of child services over not enough blankets on the pram is a little extreme at this point. Maybe this is why they are missing all the important cases of child neglect because they are dealing with complaints like this.

Sapphire - posted on 01/24/2010

Quoting Bev Cortese "wow ladies - love those responses - "mind your own damn business, "it's not your child butt out"........i'd hate to think what you ladies would do if you saw a child in harm's way? mind YOUR own business? again, wow! such vitriol......."



There is a difference between taking a child out for a walk in cold weather versus witnessing a child beaing beaten, abadononed, or neglected. The original poster asked what she should do because she fears the child is neglected by a parent not providing adequate clothing for the weather. I replied to either mind her own business OR engage in a conversation with the mother to determine what else the baby is wearing under the blanket if she is so worried about the welfare of the child. You claimed the mother is wrong for taking her child out with a thin blanket. Well, do YOU know what is under that blanket? Why is she so wrong if none of us know more details of the situation? And, why is it such a horrible thing to mind your business?

Michelle - posted on 01/24/2010

Bev, but its not a persons place to say anything to this mother, nor ring social on her. it is a case of mind your own business. The poster was not only being judgmental, but stereotyping and hurtful towards other mums that do this with their babies.
If you see a child in 'harms' way you do something. If you see a lady with a buggy and a baby with a few blankets on..you mind your own business. If that baby was outside being held with a jumpsuit (baby grow) yes say something, but his lady wasnt doing any harm to her child. Maybe the baby has colic and will only settle with a walk in the pram.

Bev - posted on 01/24/2010

wow ladies - love those responses - "mind your own damn business, "it's not your child butt out"........i'd hate to think what you ladies would do if you saw a child in harm's way? mind YOUR own business? again, wow! such vitriol.......

Heather - posted on 01/24/2010

mind your own damn business

Abbie - posted on 01/24/2010

As long as that child is dressed warmed, I see no problem with it. My son is one to want to be outside even in not so wonderful condition. Is the baby crying? or quiet? I personally see no problem with it. If she has him out there in a onsie and its 30 degrees then yes call CPS. If not then I wouldn't worry about it. I bet that child is pretty healthy too! Fresh air is GREAT to keeping kids healthy!

Michelle - posted on 01/24/2010

Theres nothing wrong with a baby being outside in the cold if they are wrapped up well. Why are you attacking this woman, instead of post this thread why dont you just offer her a raincover for the pushchair? Or an extra blanket or maybe one of your babies old snow suits? and so what, shes asian, would it matter if she was white or black or any other race for that matter?

Maybe she has a rough time with her husband in the apartment and needs to get out, maybe she cant leave the baby with the husband. Have a little more heart and instead of judging her offer your support. Not advice, her baby, her parenting style.

I live in the UK where its practically 15'C everyday, it rains nearly every day but we still have to get out the house!

Carolee - posted on 01/24/2010

It's not your child, butt out.