should I be nervous about my 2 month old vaccinations?

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Heather - posted on 04/13/2009

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I'm so glad I modified my son's schedule! Doctors are giving shots so young that parents have know way of knowing their child before they get the shots -- so they do not know if it is the child or a reaction to the shots. Thus -- doctors are not reporting the real effects of them. I got the Hep B at 22 before a trip to India. 2 months later I had chronic thyroid problems. I never made the connection until I learned other people reported the thyroid problems with the shot when I was researching them recently for my son. "They" still deny a connection and adults know their bodies --- I'd suggest delaying for however reasonable so you KNOW your baby!

My son is the ONLY child I know (no exaggeration) who has not had an ear infection, chronic colds, seizure, ezcema, asthma attack or chronic allergy. Every other kid we know is vax'd and they have suffered at least one of these. It may not seem fair to attribute them to vaccines but these problems exploded when the schedule did. He's caught bugs and colds but they've cleared up on their own.

I think it depends on your situation. Is he exposed to others? Are you nursing? I was very concerned so I waited and just started the DPT series at 4 months. You don't want your kid to get whooping cough. I've heard it is very bad for a baby. I was nursing so I was passing some immunity on to him so I felt comfortable otherwise. He just had DPT, one polio shot & MMR at 20 months. Just like me in 1977 -- only later and one at a time.

My son will have his titers done at 4 years old to check his immunity before it's time for boosters.

There are plenty of reasons to worry about those shots.

Crystal - posted on 03/28/2011

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it's normal tobe nervous i think every parent is especially the first time just give your baby alittle tylonol before it does help and every 4hrs the first night i have to kids and both are full vaccinated and perfectly healthy

Rachel - posted on 04/13/2009

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Hi Ramonda....I wanted to post a reply to your post. I have done my research on vaccinations and I have 2 girls that HAVE NOT had any vaccinations. They have hardly ever been sick except for colds here and there. My sister passed away when she was 4 because of the pertussis in the DTP she was in a veggie state for 4 years, and then to turn around I had an allergic reaction to the same vacc but since my mom waited till I was five to give me my shots....my immune sytem was strong enough to fight against it. I went down to the immunizations center and got them exceptions forms .  At least if you get your child this form, it will give you time to do some research and not have the system giving you a hard time because you haven't vaccinated them when they want you to and then you can give him/ or her the shots when your ready. You should defineitly do your reasearch on them and also research the ingredients that are used to make the vacc. When you do research what are used to make the shots I think you might be disgusted. Me personally...I don't want anything foreign or man made going into my childs body ESPECIALLY if it comes from another animal or is parts of a aborted fetus. Remeber that these vaccs go to the weakest part of a childs body and thats why so many babies have problems with ear aches, they have stomach problems or they are colicy, ETC. I'm yet to have one health problem with either one of my kids. So anyways GOODLUCK on your research.

Trudy - posted on 04/10/2009

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Anyway, I do not want to inundate this board with all this information. If you like, please check out Choosing Not to Vaccinate on FaceBook. I have posted info with regard to each disease and each vaccine.



I fully believe in your child, your choice. If you ultimately decide to vaccinate, that is fine. I would just highly suggest you research until you feel completely comfortable with a decision either way.



GL - it is a tough decision to make and NOBODY has the right to downplay that!

Trudy - posted on 04/10/2009

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From the CDC Pink Book:



In the prevaccine era, most children acquired immunity by

5–6 years of age through asymptomatic infection by Hib

bacteria.



The genetic constitution of the host may also be important

in susceptibility to infection with Hib. Risk for Hib disease

has been associated with a number of genetic markers.



Breastfeeding will offer natural antibodies for a child's first six months of life.



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez...



Highlights:



Estimating Haemophilus influenzae type b vaccine effectiveness in England and Wales by use of the screening method is one study discussing the possibility of having to add additional shots (as boosters) due to a resurgence in Hib.



Initially, the rate of invasive Hib disease decreased dramatically but has been increasing since 1999. To determine possible reasons for this increase, the effectiveness of Hib conjugate vaccine was estimated by use of the screening method.



Vaccine effectiveness was estimated to be 56.7% (95% confidence interval, 42.5-67.4). Effectiveness was lower in children vaccinated during infancy, compared with those who were vaccinated during the catch-up campaign (P=.0033), declined with time since vaccination (P=.0008), and was lower in children born during 2000-2002, compared with other children scheduled for infant vaccination (P=.0041). Use of a catch-up vaccination program enhanced the control of Hib infection in England and Wales. Since 1999, however, low effectiveness in infants, declining effectiveness with age, and the use of lower-efficacy vaccines have contributed to increased rates of Hib infection.





Then there is the whole issue of serotype replacement - the rates of one strain decrease only to increase in anotehr strain which isn't covered by the vaccine:



The Journal of Infectious Diseases published Prevention of Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) meningitis and emergence of serotype replacement with type a strains after introduction of Hib immunization in Brazil in January 2003 which had findings of:



The incidence of Hib meningitis decreased 69% during the 1-year period after initiation of Hib immunization (from 2.62 to 0.81 cases/100,000 person-years; P

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Mother - posted on 04/21/2009

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Nancy - my heart breaks for you!!! Anyone who has been touched in this way by vaccine reactions has EVERY right to speak their mind. Unfortunately until you have been touched adversely or are educated in this specific area you do not believe there could possibly be a connection. There are lots of things in the world we can't explain but it doesn't make them not true....just makes them undiscovered as of yet.



All my best to you and yours....~kelly

Nancy - posted on 04/21/2009

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My last post on this subject:



As a mother of a child that had seizure reactions to the DPT shot, I feel like I have the right to my opinion. It is not just my opinion but that of my ped. My son was not diagnosed with autism until he was 13. It was PPD form of autism and hid itself behind his seizure disorder.



"there is only one case that has ever been provin where a child got autism from the shot. And that is becuase this child already had an underlying mitochondria problem" quoted from Holly.



I am anxious for the scientific community to find a link between mitochondria and vaccinations as the reason for the outbreak of Autism and ADHD, ADD, and others. They are working like crazy to find the link. Drug companies will try to sweep it under the rug.



Check out the diseases that mitochondria is/can be responsible for:



List of Diseases



AD: Alzheimer's Disease

ADPD: Alzheimer's Disease and Parkinsons's Disease

AMDF: Ataxia, Myoclonus and Deafness

CIPO: Chronic Intestinal Pseudoobstruction with myopathy and Ophthalmoplegia

CPEO: Chronic Progressive External Ophthalmoplegia

DEAF: Maternally inherited DEAFness or aminoglycoside-induced DEAFness

DEMCHO: Dementia and Chorea

DMDF: Diabetes Mellitus & DeaFness

Exercise Intolerance

ESOC: Epilepsy, Strokes, Optic atrophy, & Cognitive decline

FBSN: Familial Bilateral Striatal Necrosis

FICP:: Fatal Infantile Cardiomyopathy Plus, a MELAS-associated cardiomyopathy

GER: Gastrointestinal Reflux

KSS Kearns Sayre Syndrome

LDYT: Leber's hereditary optic neuropathy and DYsTonia

LHON: Leber Hereditary Optic Neuropathy

LIMM: Lethal Infantile Mitochondrial Myopathy

MDM: Myopathy and Diabetes Mellitus

MELAS:: Mitochondrial Encephalomyopathy, Lactic Acidosis, and Stroke-like episodes

MEPR: Myoclonic Epilepsy and Psychomotor Regression

MERME: MERRF/MELAS overlap disease

MERRF: Myoclonic Epilepsy and Ragged Red Muscle Fibers

MHCM: Maternally Inherited Hypertrophic CardioMyopathy

MICM: Maternally Inherited Cardiomyopathy

MILS: Maternally Inherited Leigh Syndrome

Mitochondrial Encephalocardiomyopathy

Mitochondrial Encephalomyopathy

MM: Mitochondrial Myopathy

MMC: Maternal Myopathy and Cardiomyopathy

Multisystem Mitochondrial Disorder (myopathy, encephalopathy, blindness, hearing loss, peripheral neuropathy)

NARP:: Neurogenic muscle weakness, Ataxia, and Retinitis Pigmentosa; alternate phenotype at this locus is reported as Leigh Disease

NIDDM:: Non-Insulin Dependent Diabetes Mellitus

PEM: Progressive Encephalopathy

PME: Progressive Myoclonus Epilepsy

RTT: Rett Syndrome

SIDS: Sudden Infant Death Syndrome

SNHL: Sensorineural Hearing Loss



Mitochondrial diseases can affect any organ in the body and at any age. Mitochondrial diseases are severely debilitating, often fatal and characteristically complex in nature. They are inherited through the mother, but can also be inherited from either parent. They can also be sporadic or induced by the environment. In the United States, more than 50 million adults suffer from diseases in which mitochondrial dysfunction is involved. Mitochondrial dysfunction is found in diseases as diverse as cancer, infertility, diabetes, heart diseases, blindness deafness, kidney disease, liver disease, stroke, migraine, and the toxicity of HIV and other drugs. Mitochondrial dysfunction is also involved in aging and neurodegenerative diseases such as Parkinson and Alzheimer dementia.



It is estimated that of the 4 million children born each year in the United States, up to 4000 develop mitochondrial diseases. Many mitochondrial diseases are so new that they have not yet been mentioned in the medical textbooks or in to the medical literature. To date, there is no cure for mitochondrial diseases.



Another hysterical woman on here 'Janelle' said "my sister in california learned ...now she's freaking also all because of the mmr scare." I never heard of anyone ever freaking out over measles mumps and rubella. Pregnant women should freak out if they are exposed to rubella, but come on people, measles and mumps are not anything to freak out over. Did anyone pinpoint the outbreak in california to just non vaxed kids? Or were vaxed kids getting it too? Seems very funny that outbreaks of childhood diseases are not just confined to the non vaxed generation.



I know there are a lot of young mothers here that are seeking justification for vaccinating their children just on the say so of their doctor or county health clinic telling them it is time. Could this be their knee jerk reaction to giving something possibly harmful to the ones they love the very most. No one wants to hurt their children. Most mothers simple go along to get along. It is too much bother to fight the system. Doesn't this sound like a society that has given up.



NO, you have time to handle this correctly, if you choose to vax then please wait a short amount of time to give your child a chance to develope normally. With a little bit of time, you can determine if your child may have a problem with their immune system, quite a few children have constant runny noses, etc. A little bit of time will decide if your child has any developmental problems that can be worsened by giving these vaxs.



DNA testing will soon be a normal routine testing while pregnant to determine if your child has a risk for mitochondria diseases. If you have inherited disorders on the list above, do not give your child the vaccinations unless and until it is proven safe.

Holly - posted on 04/20/2009

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Also, when doing your research, look for articles that are peer reviewed articles. Usually journal articles. The reason being that anyone can publish anything they want with no evidence to back it up, for example, books, magazines, newspapers, the internet etc.. When something has been published in a journal with a peer review that means that that article was reviewed by people in that field who have extensive knowledge on the topic. Anything that is found to be wrong or that can not be proven will not be published. If you could find a journal article on immunizations it might help. I have not done the research, like I said, my kids have already been immunized.

Holly - posted on 04/20/2009

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Also, when doing your research, look for articles that are peer reviewed articles. Usually journal articles. The reason being that anyone can publish anything they want with no evidence to back it up, for example, books, magazines, newspapers, the internet etc.. When something has been published in a journal with a peer review that means that that article was reviewed by people in that field who have extensive knowledge on the topic. Anything that is found to be wrong or that can not be proven will not be published. If you could find a journal article on immunizations it might help. I have not done the research, like I said, my kids have already been immunized.

Yona - posted on 04/20/2009

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If you dont vaccinate or follow the schedule you may have a hell of a time getting your child into day care / preschool or public school. Just keep that in mind when making your decision.

Hannah - posted on 04/20/2009

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for me id say no , they protect your baby from some very hash diseases my little girl and little boy have always been fine its over with in seconds a little cry and ther ok sometimes a bit growchy but nothing some calpol wont fix , i always took a nice warm bottle with me and as soon as it wer done i gave them rite away and they stoped crying instantly dont worry hun everything will be fine x

Holly - posted on 04/20/2009

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Quoting Taffy:



Megan






Some of us choose to be informed. If you choose NOT to be informed that does not mean that those of us who are are worse then you. If this information is NOT true then it would not scare you. The facts are the facts. 






Cancer, ADD/ADHD, Asthma, excema, diabetes, autism, auto-immune disorders...all of these are increased because of toxins we have introducted into our environment. 






Please refrain from Calling names and inciting argument like an elementry school child. We are all adults here. Please act your age. 





I do agree that calling names IS childish we are all adults here.



 



While I don't have all the facts about what you are saying I will have to dispute the Autism claim. The fact being my husband has done research in an autism lab at the Medical University of Boston (working with childern who have autism). And there is only one case that has ever been provin where a child got autism from the shot. And that is becuase this child already had an underlying mitochondria problem. And the researcher who started all these claims ,Wakefield, had no sceintific research to back his claims and they are now starting to be denouced in the sceintific community. So you may be asking why autism has been linked to the MMR shot for so long?? That's because the symptoms of Austim start to show at the same time a child should get that shot.



Also one little side note, austism is more prevalent in males than in females and is generaly a genetic disease.



 



The only thing to do, is to trust your own instincts. You are your child's mother and you have to decided what is best. Wheter it is to get vaccinated or not. Do not let anyone make you feel bad for any descion you make.



My twins (one of each) both got vacinnated.I did not have any problems except having 2 cranky kids at the same time.

Jeanice - posted on 04/20/2009

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I agree, do the research. Is your son in day care? If not, you can choose a schedule for the vaccines that you are comfortable with. I would research the schedule that Jenny McCarty advocate for (prior to 1989?) which has less shots. Your pediatrician should be willing to discuss this with you and if not you should find a new one! Good Luck.

Mother - posted on 04/20/2009

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Telling someone they are an idiot is not an educated opinion. It a character judgment. Trudy didn't call her a bunch of names. she posted stats....there is a huge difference.



And....do not put words in my mouth, I never called anyone any names because thats rude. Now unless you actually have something relevent to post or talk about, I will not be responding to you further unless it is about the topic at hand.

Rachel - posted on 04/20/2009

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Quoting Kelly:



Quoting Rachel:




Quoting Kelly:





Quoting Kylie:

Good for you Trudy. The facts are vaccines save lives. And in my educated opinion, if you don't vaccinate your child, you’re a bloody idiot :)










You're rude...













How is she being rude???? She is simply stating that her opinion is that if you don't vaccinate your child, you're a bloody idiot. And that's not being rude because that is her opinion. Just because your opinion differs from hers, IT DOES NOT MEAN SHE IS BEING RUDE.









That is rude...plain and simple. Just because she doesn't agree with somsones opinion doesn't make her right and everyone else wrong....it makes them different...PERIOD. You can disagree with someone and still maintain a level of respect for them. There is no need to make personal comment about anyone. You can twist it anyway you want the fact still remains. THAT...is rude.





I'm sorry i really don't agree with you at all. How is stating her educated opinion rude???? And if you really think this is rude then why did'nt you tell Trudy that she was rude when she stated her opinion of you'd do yourself and your children a favour to get educated????? Now this is a rude statement.........PERIOD. Yes you can disagree with someone and still maintain a level of respect for them, but my question to you is y did you single out kylie when you did'nt say anything to Trudy?????? Oh thats right your a non-vaxer, thats why you did'nt say anything to Trudy. Kylie's opinion is that if you dont vaccinate then your an idiot and your opinion would be if you vaccintae then your an idiot,(or something like that this is just an example not what you would say). So the 2 opinions are very similar would'nt you say, you think were silly for injecting all of those toxins into our kids and we think your silly for not injecting the toxins into your kids, so when ya look at it we are all saying the same thing but for different reasons and we are all doing what we feel is best for our kids and thats the only thing that matters

Mel - posted on 04/20/2009

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OMFG majority of ppl on here how can u be mothers when you are so immature? i guess none of you spend time with your kids or work. can you all not answer the question in a mature and sensible way that does no involve insultng others? does everybody not have the right to their own opinion. provide your research and move on. ive done my daughters vaccinations up until now she is due for her 12 months ones but i have not yet decided whether to do them or not its a personal choice and you cannot say who is going to have reactions and who isnt. like many have said some babies have died from these and some are totally healthy.

Mother - posted on 04/20/2009

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Quoting Rachel:



Quoting Kelly:




Quoting Kylie:

Good for you Trudy. The facts are vaccines save lives. And in my educated opinion, if you don't vaccinate your child, you’re a bloody idiot :)








You're rude...










How is she being rude???? She is simply stating that her opinion is that if you don't vaccinate your child, you're a bloody idiot. And that's not being rude because that is her opinion. Just because your opinion differs from hers, IT DOES NOT MEAN SHE IS BEING RUDE.





That is rude...plain and simple. Just because she doesn't agree with somsones opinion doesn't make her right and everyone else wrong....it makes them different...PERIOD. You can disagree with someone and still maintain a level of respect for them. There is no need to make personal comment about anyone. You can twist it anyway you want the fact still remains. THAT...is rude.

January - posted on 04/19/2009

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New community posted..... search for Moms who are FOR VACCINATIONS, come join!

TRACEY - posted on 04/19/2009

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i was never nervous about my girls vaccinations i beleive that they are very important and therefore nothing to worry about but every person feels differently

Rachel - posted on 04/19/2009

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Quoting Kelly:



Quoting Kylie:

Good for you Trudy. The facts are vaccines save lives. And in my educated opinion, if you don't vaccinate your child, you’re a bloody idiot :)






You're rude...






How is she being rude???? She is simply stating that her opinion is that if you don't vaccinate your child, you're a bloody idiot. And that's not being rude because that is her opinion. Just because your opinion differs from hers, IT DOES NOT MEAN SHE IS BEING RUDE.

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I totally agree with Wendy & I cannot believe there is so much nastiness through these posts. Everyone is entitled to there opinions regarding vaccinations but I have to say that my little girl (5 months) has been fully vaccinated and suffered no problems other than crying & a sore legs. I feel it is better to vaccinate then for your child to possibly die from a diease they may contract. I would like to know when people have said the child died xxx days after vac's or x child has ADHD etc due to vac's & a non-vac's child is fine - what proof do they have that it was caused by vac's - it could be due to genetics. The children could be genetically pre-disposed to these problems and it has nothing to do with the vaccines!!! People you need to accept other peoples views & do not ram all these stat's down everyone's throats!! It is the parents choice.

Mother - posted on 04/19/2009

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Flesh eating disease is cause by a step infection NOT the chicken pox. Anyone who has a cut or wound anywhere can get the flesh eating disease. The ONLY reason chicken pox comes into the equation is because of the wounds...which pose no more of threat then a skinned knee or a finger cut. they did not get flesh eating disease because they didn't get the vaccine....they got it because the strep infection came in contact with them. Talk about fear mongering. And flesh eating diseases are extremely rare. They will get it ONLY if they get the strep infection not if they get chicken pox....its secondary. Just like, not all people who get a cold will get pneumonia....

Melissa - posted on 04/19/2009

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Did you know that OVER half of all children admitted to my, or your childrens hospital with the flesh eating disease is due to the chicken pox?...because the child never received the Varicella vaccination. Before it was available, I understand...however many people have opted to NOT take the vaccination...

Rachael - posted on 04/18/2009

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do your research and ask your doctor questions but get the vaccines. take some tylenol with you to the appointment and give it to your baby before you leave to prevent fever and reduce pain. your doctor can help you with the right dosage to give by your babies weight. my pediatrician told me as well as my boyfriend who is a doctor as well that there is no real medical proof that vaccines cause autism or add (fanatics leave me alone and do not email me with your craziness). please do your own research just to make yourself feel more comfortable, you can search the american journal of pediatrics online but i would avoid mom blogs as much as possible for real medical advice.

Jennifer - posted on 04/18/2009

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Hi, I vaccinated my daughter on the belief that the benefits outweigh the risks, as all medines have side affects that may or may not affect you, so do vac's. They kept her for 15 min. incase of allergic reaction and after they tell you to bicycle their legs to work it through and keep their legs from getting stiff as well to give them tylenol for pain if needed. I highley recommend getting all shots on schedule as it is done this way for a reason. Just do your research and do what you think is right.





If someone does not like my answer please keep it to yourself this is my opinion, as i am entitled, and so are you with out judgement.

Mother - posted on 04/18/2009

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Good for you Prudence. Glad the little one is doing fine.



Janelle....actually you can get exemptions to not attend any public day-care or school. They can not stop your child from entering even if you have no vaccinations....i think the rules may be different for private school and private daycare but I'm not sure.

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The Dr. Sears book is great. We chose to use his extended vaccination schedule and will opt out of some all together. My son has a hard time with all of the vaccines we've had so far even spaced out which makes me thankful we didn't give him the recommended five at once. That is just too much for such a little body!

Janelle - posted on 04/18/2009

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my daughter is two and has it all so far. and she's normal. i hear people freak out about the mmr but thats a slight risk they say. now if you want your child in child care the child has to be up to date especially if the county is paying for the child care. and even now they have to be vaccinated when they hit school or else they cant enter or they have to take them to catch up. my sister in california learned that and now she's freaking also all because of the mmr scare.

Terri - posted on 04/18/2009

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Oh yeah.... I also heard that if you give your child a little bit of tylenol(infant drops) about an hour before it lessens the pain.My son is pretty good with shots, but we tried it and it did seem to help him be less fussy and upset.

Terri - posted on 04/18/2009

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nah... they know what they are doing. I would ask if the shots are preservative and mercury free though. My sis said that it causes autism. I am unsure if that is true, but as a precaution I would try to be sure that the shots they give are free of those things.

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Quoting Amanda:



Quoting Kelly:




Quoting January:

Whats to clarify? Its pretty loud and clearly stated? I'm definately not an arguing type of person so i'm not going to sit here and try to tell you wether you are right or wrong in what you do. I'm clearly stating my opinion, in which you obviously have an opinion for everything someone writes as i've seen by other posts, not only on this thread. My kid has been vax everytime, is perfectly healthy and I like it that way! I say get your kid vax, its the best thing for them and everyone elses kids.








Well then...thats a ridiculous statement. Considering more then half the outbreaks are from Vaccinated children and not the unvaccinated. I don't have any more of an opinion then you or anyone else on the thread...glad you're keeping track of my movements tho. My kid is unvax, is perfectly healthy and I like it that way! I say let your child live naturally, its the best thing for them and everyone elses kids.









ALLRIGHT!!! lets bring on the varicella, tetanus,whopping cough, polio,rubeola,rubella,mumps, diptheria and hepititis B.






Dont thoes sound like fun diseases! thats the natural way. children who are vaxinated can still become ill with some of these (like rubeola) but when they do become ill it is much much milder and not life threatening, however if your kid contracts one of the above PREVENTABLE diseases he or she can DIE .






In canada children are not even alowed to attend public daycare unless they have proof of vacinations.





If this is true...then what are you worried about?? AND children CAN attend public daycare if they are not vaccinated....just like they CAN attend school

Lynette - posted on 04/18/2009

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My suggestion would be read up on them first and then you can make an informed decession from there. If you go for them (which I did) and are worried about the pain ur baby is going to be in or scared of needles (like I am) then get someone else to hold your child for you and you comfort them afterwards. This way your baby dosen't pick up your feelings. If it turns out you want to do them in differnet doeses at a time then do that or if you feel its not the right time then thanks fine also. Most important thing to remember is that your child and your needs come first.

Stef - posted on 04/18/2009

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Quoting Theresa:

WELL TO BE HONEST WITH YOU WE ALL HAVE TO DEAL WITH GIVING OUR CHILDREN VACCINATIONS EVEN IF WE DON'T WANT TO BUT IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE AND REALLY CLOSE WITH YOUR CHILDS DOCTOR AND ABLE TO ASK HIM QUESTIONS BEFORE HE GIVES YOUR BABY THE VACCINATION IT SHOULD BE ALRIGHT. MY SON JUST TURN TWO AND I STILL HATE WHEN THEY GIVE HIM VACCINATIONS BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS IN THOSE NEEDLES BUT THAT IS A CHANCE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE BUT SO FAR ALL THE VACCINATIONS THAT MY SON HAD HAS BE VERY GOOD THANK GOD FOR THAT. WE ALWAYS GIVE OUR SON TYLENOL BEFORE THE SHOT AND EVERY FOUR HOURS AFTER TILL THE NEXT DAY SO HE WON'T GET ANY FEVER'S OR REACTIONS FROM IT. DOCTOR TOLD US THAT TOOO GOOD LUCK HOPE I HELP YOU A LITTLE



Actually Theresa YOU decide what you do and don't do for your child not anyone else...I recently met up with a woman I went to antenatal classes with and she thought she had no choice about vaccinations, her doctor simply told her when it was due and she never questioned it. She was horrified to discover so many things throughout her pregnancy and as a new mum were in her control yet she let others make decisions that she didn't necessarily agree with. This happens too much...all mammas need to know that it is their own responsibility to research and make decisions for ALL things about their children. None of us have to just 'deal' with anything. Whatever anyone decides, it should be an informed decision, if you have done your research then whatever you decide is right for you and no-one has the right to take that away from you. Blessings.

Theresa - posted on 04/17/2009

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WELL TO BE HONEST WITH YOU WE ALL HAVE TO DEAL WITH GIVING OUR CHILDREN VACCINATIONS EVEN IF WE DON'T WANT TO BUT IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE AND REALLY CLOSE WITH YOUR CHILDS DOCTOR AND ABLE TO ASK HIM QUESTIONS BEFORE HE GIVES YOUR BABY THE VACCINATION IT SHOULD BE ALRIGHT. MY SON JUST TURN TWO AND I STILL HATE WHEN THEY GIVE HIM VACCINATIONS BECAUSE YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS IN THOSE NEEDLES BUT THAT IS A CHANCE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE BUT SO FAR ALL THE VACCINATIONS THAT MY SON HAD HAS BE VERY GOOD THANK GOD FOR THAT. WE ALWAYS GIVE OUR SON TYLENOL BEFORE THE SHOT AND EVERY FOUR HOURS AFTER TILL THE NEXT DAY SO HE WON'T GET ANY FEVER'S OR REACTIONS FROM IT. DOCTOR TOLD US THAT TOOO GOOD LUCK HOPE I HELP YOU A LITTLE

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Both my kids are vaccinated, they go to daycare one day per week and cannot attend if they are not vaccinated, that is reassurance enough for me. If you choose not then you should not be allowed to send your children to any facility or event where they come into contact with other kids, that includes shopping etc.

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If vaccines were 100% safe, 100% effective and offered lifetime immunity, Id reconsider having them for my children.

It makes no sense to me to spend nine months pregnant, eating healthily, not smoking,drinking or taking drugs..avoiding cat litter trays etc.

And then subject your perfectly healthy 8 week baby to have poisonous chemicals, toxic metals, and germs cultivated on dead animals and aborted babies tissue injected right into his or her tiny leg.

Stef - posted on 04/17/2009

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I think maybe everyone needs to read the guidelines set out for Circle of Mums. Its on the home page.

Stef - posted on 04/17/2009

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Whether attacking me directly or not, attacking is precisely what you're doing. Calling people names like pathetic,stupid and making crappy decisions for having a difference of opinion is attacking them......keep in mind those who don't vax, feel vaccinations are the bad and wrong decision for their children. Its just not necessary to be so brutal with your opinions. Everyone wants whats best for their child and everyone has doubts about the decisions they make....I promise you that you will make mistakes along the way, & I truelly hope no-one treats you so cruelly just for being human. Thats something to think about.

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Quoting Amanda:



Quoting Stef:

That makes no sense? You really should be careful what you wish for. I never even said if I was pro or anti and still there are bullyish remarks....you missed the point completely, I was talking about nasty attacks on people and their opinions & you just proved my point 100%. There is such a lack of respect going on here. Your thoughts need not be so rude.





I actually was not attacking you I was just making a point.  the mesege was not about you I just used your message as you told people to be thankful we dont live in a dictatorship, it had nothing to do with you. had someone else posted that I would have wrote the same thing on theirs.






I just think that some decisions people make with thier children are risky, of course when I said that we should have a dictatorship to whip thoes people into shape I was being sarcastic. just seems a little pathetic that there are actually people against vaccines.





 

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Amanda - Grow up. I will insult anyone who chose to insult me. Do unto others, or perhaps your parents also taught you that it is good manners to be rude, abarasive and ignorant to people simply because you don't agree with them.

What I see (not everyone who posted, but several of them) are a bunch of online bullies who probably won't have the balls to be so obnoxious in real life so you hide behind a computer screen - being rude and trying to boss people around. You're just not used to people not kisses your arses and treating your opinions as though they came from the lips of god.

Get a life. People have choices and freedom of speech. If you want to be dictated to, go live in Afghanistan and wear a burka. At least they would ensure you keep your ignorant mouths shut.

I notice how Melissa coul;dn't produce a SINGLE SHRED of proof for anything I asked on the first page. Simple - she couldn 't. She simply threw out false info and has NO means to back it up. Emily is just a know-it-all 22 year old who gets off on being rude to people on the internet and has a pathetic "fan club" of other women who spur her on. Amanda, you're simply an idiot who contributed NOTHING valuable - no info, no studies, NADA.

And with that, I am signing off this thread. It's useless to discuss anything with people who are more interested in being right than the facts.


hahaha your funny, and your a racist. dont make comments about women who wear burkas because you dont know the facts, dont you think you may offend some of the mothers on here who may happen to be muslim?

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Quoting Kelly:



Quoting January:

Whats to clarify? Its pretty loud and clearly stated? I'm definately not an arguing type of person so i'm not going to sit here and try to tell you wether you are right or wrong in what you do. I'm clearly stating my opinion, in which you obviously have an opinion for everything someone writes as i've seen by other posts, not only on this thread. My kid has been vax everytime, is perfectly healthy and I like it that way! I say get your kid vax, its the best thing for them and everyone elses kids.






Well then...thats a ridiculous statement. Considering more then half the outbreaks are from Vaccinated children and not the unvaccinated. I don't have any more of an opinion then you or anyone else on the thread...glad you're keeping track of my movements tho. My kid is unvax, is perfectly healthy and I like it that way! I say let your child live naturally, its the best thing for them and everyone elses kids.





ALLRIGHT!!! lets bring on the varicella, tetanus,whopping cough, polio,rubeola,rubella,mumps, diptheria and hepititis B.



Dont thoes sound like fun diseases! thats the natural way. children who are vaxinated can still become ill with some of these (like rubeola) but when they do become ill it is much much milder and not life threatening, however if your kid contracts one of the above PREVENTABLE diseases he or she can DIE .



In canada children are not even alowed to attend public daycare unless they have proof of vacinations.

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Quoting Stef:

That makes no sense? You really should be careful what you wish for. I never even said if I was pro or anti and still there are bullyish remarks....you missed the point completely, I was talking about nasty attacks on people and their opinions & you just proved my point 100%. There is such a lack of respect going on here. Your thoughts need not be so rude.


I actually was not attacking you I was just making a point.  the mesege was not about you I just used your message as you told people to be thankful we dont live in a dictatorship, it had nothing to do with you. had someone else posted that I would have wrote the same thing on theirs.



I just think that some decisions people make with thier children are risky, of course when I said that we should have a dictatorship to whip thoes people into shape I was being sarcastic. just seems a little pathetic that there are actually people against vaccines.

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Quoting January:

Whats to clarify? Its pretty loud and clearly stated? I'm definately not an arguing type of person so i'm not going to sit here and try to tell you wether you are right or wrong in what you do. I'm clearly stating my opinion, in which you obviously have an opinion for everything someone writes as i've seen by other posts, not only on this thread. My kid has been vax everytime, is perfectly healthy and I like it that way! I say get your kid vax, its the best thing for them and everyone elses kids.



Well then...thats a ridiculous statement. Considering more then half the outbreaks are from Vaccinated children and not the unvaccinated. I don't have any more of an opinion then you or anyone else on the thread...glad you're keeping track of my movements tho. My kid is unvax, is perfectly healthy and I like it that way! I say let your child live naturally, its the best thing for them and everyone elses kids.

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That makes no sense? You really should be careful what you wish for. I never even said if I was pro or anti and still there are bullyish remarks....you missed the point completely, I was talking about nasty attacks on people and their opinions & you just proved my point 100%. There is such a lack of respect going on here. Your thoughts need not be so rude.

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Quoting Stef:

You all sound ignorant, due simply to your childish bickering...as for all the name calling, nasty comments and foolish remarks, I sincerely hope this isn't how you all conduct yourselves infront of your children?? Not the best role models for sure! Every single being that walks this earth is different, and thank god for that otherwise we should all live in a dictatorship., then this page wouldn't exist, you wouldn't be allowed to have a voice or an opinion...we all want whats best for our children, and suprise suprise we all have different views on what that is....respect each other or we have no hope for a better world. This is NOT what the purpose of Circle of Mums is about, adults should be debating not bullying.....its so sad....I'm afraid for our future if this is who our children are learning from......celebrate difference. Aroha from Aotearoa.xx





I wish we lived in a dictatroship so someone could tell ignorant moms not to cosleep cause they can kill their baby and to be sure to vaccinate their babies so they wont die of a compleatly preventable disease. maybe if we lived in a dictatorship there would be less stupid people making crappy decisions that put their childs life at risk....just a thought





 

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Good for you Trudy. The facts are vaccines save lives. And in my educated opinion, if you don't vaccinate your child, you’re a bloody idiot :)



I completely agree, the only excuse for it is if you are in a country where you are unable and again I'd like to remind people how health are those children, yes I know food, clean water and other stuff is involved to. You should compare child hood deaths  there caused by the disease we vaccinate for you would be openning you eyes!!

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Quoting Jacquie:

there is another post called Immunizations, in Circle of moms (if you want to read more-LOL)
its quite the heated debate, that along with birthing naturally, breastfeeding and circumsion...
i love the discussions though (esp. when ppl are considerate, & respectfully agree to disagree.


it from april 9th. you have to go back a bit to find it.

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there is another post called Immunizations, in Circle of moms (if you want to read more-LOL)

its quite the heated debate, that along with birthing naturally, breastfeeding and circumsion...

i love the discussions though (esp. when ppl are considerate, & respectfully agree to disagree.

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Whats to clarify? Its pretty loud and clearly stated? I'm definately not an arguing type of person so i'm not going to sit here and try to tell you wether you are right or wrong in what you do. I'm clearly stating my opinion, in which you obviously have an opinion for everything someone writes as i've seen by other posts, not only on this thread. My kid has been vax everytime, is perfectly healthy and I like it that way! I say get your kid vax, its the best thing for them and everyone elses kids.

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Quoting January:

Its the ones who don't get vaccinated that make others sick.



Perhaps you could clarify this statement for me before I judge it too harshly by saying its a ridiculous statement. While you're at it...if is the un-vax that are making your vax sick.....why are outbreaks predominantly in high vax areas. Also if your vaccination is so perfect and effect why isn't it working regardelss of who they are hanging out with.

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Quoting January:

Its the ones who don't get vaccinated that make others sick.



Perhaps you could clarify this statement for me before I judge it too harshly by saying its a ridiculous statement. While you're at it...if is the un-vax that are making your vax sick.....why are outbreaks predominantly in high vax areas. Also if your vaccination is so perfect and effect why isn't it working regardelss of who they are hanging out with.

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Quoting January:

Its the ones who don't get vaccinated that make others sick.



Perhaps you could clarify this statement for me before I judge it too harshly by saying its a ridiculous statement. While you're at it...if is the un-vax that are making your vax sick.....why are outbreaks predominantly in high vax areas. Also if your vaccination is so perfect and effect why isn't it working regardelss of who they are hanging out with.

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Good for you Trudy. The facts are vaccines save lives. And in my educated opinion, if you don't vaccinate your child, you’re a bloody idiot :)



You're rude...

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