Tongue-Tie !!! My nipples are ready to fall off.

Aimee - posted on 02/01/2009 ( 20 moms have responded )

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Tongue-Tie !!! My nipples are ready to fall off.

My daughter was born with tongue -tie and got her frenulum cut 3 days after she was born. My nipples are really sore from her BF, she always leaves a 'lipstick' mark on my nipple so I know she's not using her tongue properly despite the surgery.

I don't want to quit giving her breastmilk all together, but my nipples are ready to fall off. I've been pumping to try to give my milk instead of formula, but it isn't working. Compared to just putting her on the boob, pumping is tiresome!!

Did any of you moms continue to BF with your child who was born with tongue-tie? What are you experiences?? Did you just go to formula altogether? I feel or know I'm headed down the formula road in the near future. I've been BF with pain for over 5 weeks now.. (part of it could be the thrush that I have from being on antibiotics in the hosp) but I'm close to throwing in the towel. I don't know if I'm in denial thinking she'll learn and it'll get better.

It really makes me feel like I have failed.

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Hannah - posted on 02/01/2009

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I had terrible pain breastfeeding, was bruised and bleeding and trying not to scream every time my baby latched on. I kept being told that it shouldn't hurt and then after a monht, someone spotted that she was tongue-tied, she was referred to have her frenulum clipped but the appointment wasn't for a few months. I hung on in there, tried nipple shields, which didn't help, used lots of lansinoh, and arnica gel and tried to make sure that my baby took lots of the breast in her mouth. By the time her appointment came up, the pain had gone and I think through lots o screaming, her tongue had stretched by itself.

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Marie - posted on 02/01/2009

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Many women don't realize they have problem nipples. You can pick up Medela nipple shapers at a pharmacy (if in canada, at the Home Health Care centres by Shoppers Drug Mart). They come with a shaper, a ring and a shield for each side. I have large areala and nipples so I just use the ring. The shield protects you from being chafed by your clothes.



In addition you could try a nipple shield. It's basically a fake nipple. I have flat/inverted and Alex could not latch when he was born so he was starving. We spoon fed him pumped milk for the first day then he learned how to suck. I have run the gamut of breast issues most recently including blood blisters ON the nipple.



Best of luck with your little one. :)

Naomi - posted on 02/01/2009

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my daughter is tongue tied and it hasnt been a problem!!! i did notice she fed alot in the early months it wasnt untill her 6 week check up the dr said something to me cause in the hospital she fed really well, she is now 3 months old and doing great if u want to protect u r nipples u can get nipple protectors my sister used them i think avent sell them i wouldnt reccommend using them every feed cause u do need to toughen up u r nipples u can also use a rough washer in the shower or bath to help toughen them i have breast fed my eldest for 9 months and my second for 10 months and i will do the same for this one, as i knew what to expect i got my nipples ready b4 my newest came along and i had no soreness at all!!  i was reading though that breast feeding does help the tongue to stretch naturally so try to stick with it

Angie - posted on 02/01/2009

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Hello! My son was born with tongue-tie, but they are holding off on doing the surgery.  I am having the opposite problem, because the only thing he is able to do is breastfeed...he has never been able to latch to a bottle.  I'm blessed that he's able to breastfeed so well, but his Daddy has been very upset that he's not been able to share in the feeding experience, which makes me feel awful.  I did go through a period of being quite sore in the beginning, it was terrible.  I purchased some of those soothies gel packs which helped, and used the lanolin cream very generously.  Eventually I was no longer in tears while feeding.  Have you tried either of these things? How often is she feeding? My son ate every 45 minutes at first and it was awful.  But it gets better, I promise!  I hope you are able to hang in there because the bond is worth every second!

Ashley - posted on 02/01/2009

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my son was tongue tied but we didn't catch it til a couple weeks ago:( so unfortunately i couldn't breast feed at all. if you do have to go to formula at least you got to bf for 5 weeks:) i didn't even get that long.

Ashley - posted on 02/01/2009

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aimee , ya i understand it is definatly easier to just BF instead of worrying about washing the bottles, and pump, we have a good routine now but it defiantly took us a while, when i was nursing my daughter toward the end i found night feedings were easier, she was half asleep and more relaxed, if you try feeding her before so gets to hungry it shoudl be easier to as she will be calmer, i'm not sure what yoru sleeping arrangments are but the closer she is to you ( liek in a bassinet in your room) you'l hear her sooner, To try to get your supply up makae sure your drinking plenty of water, make sure your feeding or pumping on a regaulr basis, becasue yotu supply is low , try every 2-3 hours goign no logner in between, also try to relax when nursing and pumping i know your frustrated and worried about how this is goign to turn out so it's probably hard, when i am pumping i don't look at the bottle to see how much i have, i keep my daughter near me, and i find if i watch Tv and not really pay attention to pumping it goes way quicker, i have also heard that oatmeal increases your supply so try some of that if you like it, i usually eat oatmeal everyday ,

Jodie - posted on 02/01/2009

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You have already been doing it for 5 weeks don't give up!! My daughter was tongue-tied too but we decided as it wasn't too bad that she would not have the snip. I breast fed for 4 weeks of agoney with sore nipples too but was also pumping and in the 5th week could no longer handle her on my boobs so just pumped and bottle fed but this caused my milk to run out and then had a month of trauma trying to get her used to formula. Was not a nice time for baby or mum. I'm now pregnant again and swear tongue-tied or not that I will not give up my breast feeding.

Courtney - posted on 02/01/2009

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Aimee the thrust you are having could be in relation to something you are eating. Thrush comes from a yeast, try eliminating all yeast products for a while ( bread, pasta, cakes ect. ) A friend of mine had this issue with her first daughter. and it worked for her cleared up the Thrush for her.

Aimee - posted on 02/01/2009

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one was from the hosp. the other just from a clinic. thanks for your info. they never told me it would/could grow back, not even the dr. who cut it. grr! so would my daughter AUTOMATICALLY know how to latch on prop if it was fixed? she's gaining weight fine, it's just she's still pinching my nipple or leaving a lipstick look on it. does that mean it wasn't cut back far enough??

Wendy - posted on 02/01/2009

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sorry, I just read the replies and see you already saw 2 lc's. You really shouldn't still be having pain. Is there an experiences La Leche League leader in your area? Were the lactation consultants you saw IBCLC (if not, they might have had very minimal training)

Wendy - posted on 02/01/2009

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If you are still having pain 5 weeks after her frenulum was cut, I would strongly suggest seeing a lactation consultant and perhaps an ENT, pediatric dentist, or another recommended medical provider who may be able to cut the frenulum again. Sometimes it heals back together and the baby is still tongue-tied. I had a hard tiem finding someone to take care of it for my 2nd child. His tongue-tie was severe. The first 2 doctors I saw told me that yes, he was severely tongue-tied and would need surgery when he was older, but that there was no reason to do it now. If it hurt I should just bottlefeed. I was very angry. I finally saw an ENT (ear nose and throat doctor) when my son was 8 weeks old. He was so sweet! He commended me for sticking with it even though I cried every time he nursed (I had an easy time with my first and knew that it would get much much better once we got this fixed!) He did a z-plasty laser surgery under general anesthetic because my son's tt was so severe, just snipping it wouldn't work. I hope you can find someone to help!

Aimee - posted on 02/01/2009

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So did she learn to use her tongue properly when latching? That is what I'm concerned about, that she has now learned to nurse the wrong way and will continue to. =/

Aimee - posted on 02/01/2009

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I have seen 2 L.C. already... and haven't really been helpful, which is why I'm looking here for moms who've been through it and can give me advice.

Yes, Lanolin! Boy did I ever learn that late in the game!! I have to keep reminding myself to put it on! Thanks.

Aimee - posted on 02/01/2009

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Quoting Ashley:

my daughter was born tongue tied, and we had her tongue clipped the day after she was born, we did notice a differnce in her latch , and i continued to BF, i to was very sore, and she was getting frustrated, so she wouldn't eat for very long, she would get really angry then it was impossibel to feed her, i also had a 13 month old at the time so it was really hard to feed her every 1-2 hours when she woudl be hungry, we continued for 2 months like this , only giving the occational bottle of pumped milk, but after to months i switched to exclusivly pumping, she is now almost 7 months, i pump every 4 hours, and once in the middle of the night, i really wanted to continue to BF her, but it got to the point that we wer both frustrated and tired, so i figure now at least she is getting the milk. i woudl give it a little longer and hopefully you'l do better then i did, some babies do catch on, your definatly not in denial thinking this. also is your daughter being treated for thrush also , that could be part of the problem, somtimes you cant see it in the mouth but it hurts for them to suck, i also dealt with that with my first child, for 3 months off and on between the 2 of us, make sure you boht get treated when one has it . if you do end up trying to pump, and giving her that try a diff pump, i know use a manual pump, i have 2 so i double pump, and it only takes about 5 min to get 4-6 oz off each side,. Good luck, i'm sure thing swill work out for you and your child.


I have tried the pumping, and still am. My supply is low, so right now I'm taking fenugreek, but I can never get more than 2oz from each book. Usually I get about an ounce or 1oz and a half.   It's hard to pump, feed, wash bottles then sterilize! It was so much easier putting her on the boob - especially at 2 and 5 in the morning!!  Kudos to you for pumping it out. I still pump just to keep my supply up, although I don't know how well I am doing at it.


Any ideas how to get my supply up??


As for thrush, yes, we are both being treated.  It's also been a month of thrush, ugh!! So that's double the pain. I can put her on the boob when it's not so painful, but when the thrush pain kicks in (especially at night!) I don't want to feed her.





 

Courtney - posted on 02/01/2009

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Some of your pain could be coming because she is not latching on correctly and your nipples have cracked. Try to get in contact with a lacation consultant to help you get a good latch. I would also suggest that you get Lanolin breastfeeding onitment. ( purple container) this can be found at walmart or where every you would buy your nursing pads ( located in the same area ) After getting a good latch and healing your cracks ( assuming you have cracked nipples ) Breastfeeding should go better for you. Make sure your nipple area is completely dry when she is done nursing as well. The moisture will help to increase the cracking of the nipple. ( a hairdryer worked really well for me). The onitment can be used right before you latch the baby on and after. it act as a barrier just like diaper rash cream/ointment does. Protects the skin really well. Once you start healing it will take about 1 to 2 week depending on how bad the cracks are. I would try to persist if you can. I can understand the pain though I had cracks too with my first born.



Oh and you have not failed!! You are trying and still working on it. even a few weeks of breast milk is better than none.

Brittaini - posted on 02/01/2009

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It will get better, I promise! I know it is so exhausting for the first couple months, but you will make it! The best thing I ever did was to put lanolin all over the nipple, then cover them with disposable nursing pads, then put my bra on, and the relief after doing that everytime after nursing is amazing! It'll take about a day, but it always worked for me! You can do it, and once you get through the hard part, you will feel like Super Mommy!!!!!

Ashley - posted on 02/01/2009

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my daughter was born tongue tied, and we had her tongue clipped the day after she was born, we did notice a differnce in her latch , and i continued to BF, i to was very sore, and she was getting frustrated, so she wouldn't eat for very long, she would get really angry then it was impossibel to feed her, i also had a 13 month old at the time so it was really hard to feed her every 1-2 hours when she woudl be hungry, we continued for 2 months like this , only giving the occational bottle of pumped milk, but after to months i switched to exclusivly pumping, she is now almost 7 months, i pump every 4 hours, and once in the middle of the night, i really wanted to continue to BF her, but it got to the point that we wer both frustrated and tired, so i figure now at least she is getting the milk. i woudl give it a little longer and hopefully you'l do better then i did, some babies do catch on, your definatly not in denial thinking this. also is your daughter being treated for thrush also , that could be part of the problem, somtimes you cant see it in the mouth but it hurts for them to suck, i also dealt with that with my first child, for 3 months off and on between the 2 of us, make sure you boht get treated when one has it . if you do end up trying to pump, and giving her that try a diff pump, i know use a manual pump, i have 2 so i double pump, and it only takes about 5 min to get 4-6 oz off each side,. Good luck, i'm sure thing swill work out for you and your child.

Kelli - posted on 02/01/2009

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now if i can spell it i used kamilasan somthing like that its in a yellow tube its great and u dont need to worry about it bein on while baby feeds cos its ok for them i hope that helps i will go away and try to find the rite way to spell it lol

Odette - posted on 02/01/2009

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Breastfeeding will get better, I promise. Hang in there. My nipples were dry cracked and bleeding for the first 3 weeks because my daughter had so many issues with latching on properly and also she suckled really, really strong. I continued to have sore nipples for about 2 months. Eventually, my nipples toughned up and it was well worth it!



Hang in there. You'll be glad you did!

Juniper - posted on 02/01/2009

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I don't have personal experience with tounge tie but I do work in dentistry. She does, and will, need to learn how to use her tounge better. As for the breastfeeding I've heard of Mom's that stuck with it and said it got better.

Some things to watch for are: make sure she is full on the breast. All or most or the Areola (darker area around nipple) should be in her mouth. This is mostly to help her massage the breast better to get the hind milk. As well this area has less nerve endings and shouldn't cause soreness. If she is on the breast properly there sholdn't be any pain.

As for the tounge tie from what they taught us (dentistry wise) they will learn but I would still talk to the doctor to get advice and ask about seeing a breastfeeding consultant to help.



Good Luck!

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