Vaccinations

Shawn - posted on 03/03/2009 ( 52 moms have responded )

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I vaccinate my son and I found out at the pediatricians office last week that even though I choose to do so that he is still susceptible to catching airborne diseases that he has been vaccinated for from other children who have not been vaccinated and may carry that virus. That made me very angry and may anger a few of you too but I think that this is something that everyone should know. So if we do vaccinate and I children go to public schools who allow admission of children who have not been vaccinated, our children are at risk. So if a child has measles or whooping cough or hepatitis and goes to school and their parents don't know they are sick, all of the children they come in contact with will have been exposed. This includes the children who have been vaccinated. I know there is a lot of controversy around vaccinations and autism and I do not want to upset anyone I just think we should all be informed. Am I the only one who is upset about this?

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Crystal - posted on 03/28/2011

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it's always been known to me that vaccines are not always 100% effective but if they do get something they will get a much more mild case of it than a child who is unvaccinated i know someone who almost lost her daughter to rotavirus and she was vaccinated but had only had one dose so she wasn't fully protected yet i vaccinate both of my kids and there perfectly fine nothing in life is with out risk but you have to choose your risks you want to take and not vaccinating is not one i was willing to take i couldn't live with my self if something were to happen to my kids

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There seems to be some confusion about the link between autism and vaccines. Several posters have said that they don't believe autism is caused by vaccines - that has never been the issue. Many doctors/scientists/parents believe autism can be triggered by vaccines, not caused by vaccines. Knowing one child who is autistic and has never been vaccinated does not mean that there is no connection - there are probably thousands of autistic children who have not been vaccinated. The consensus seems to be that there is some genetic predisposition for the disease, and it can be triggered by an ingredient found in vaccines. When this trigger occurs, among other things, the brain stops  sending the signal for the body to produce certain enzymes, which leads to the gastrointestinal problems that are so common in people with autism (this is also why some parents have been having such success with changing their child's diet). Obviously vaccines are not the only trigger for autism. There may very well be a link to the food we ingest. In America, we eat a diet very high in gluten and processed junk, which can overload the body if there are not certain digestive enzymes working at full force.  We don't know what actually causes autism, but we do know that since the start of widespread vaccinations, the amount of autism cases has increased dramatically (it went from about 1 in every 1500 to about 1 in every 150 children), even after mercury was removed from the vaccines. To me personally, that is a big enough reason not to have my son vaccinated (he received his shots up until he was one, and I was always leary of how many they gave him at once).  Obviously it is a personal choice that parents have to make. Whether there is a connection to autism doesn't change the fact that there are very toxic chemicals in vaccines. Hopefully this form of discussion will encourage parents to do more research, and urge the government to make these vaccines safer for our children.

Jill - posted on 03/03/2009

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Yes.  The kids that have been vaccinated have a better chance at NOT getting the disease, or a lessor form of it.  I just had some 'jabs' done on my son yesterday.  I am worried about the side effects from ANY of them.  I brought it up to a few people about their kids reaction, and every response ALWAYS includes I would be stupid NOT to vaccinate for the MMR.  What is irritating to me is that I havent brought up the MMR.  There are worse things than Autism.  I have been doing my research and some kids have been paralysed, or become comatose, and in severe cases DIED.  Granted these are not the norm, but I feel it is better to do the research about what goes into my child's body.  EVEN a vaccine.



 



As for the school thing, it is irritating but some religions/culture dont believe in medicine... and it is a risk we all take.  Disease exposure can happen in a pool, a park, a grocery cart,  at the movies, etc.  The whole point of being vaccinated is to give your child a fighting chance.  Unfortunately,  it does bother me, but there isnt anything that can be done.  Nothing irritates me more than to see a sick kid out with parents in a public place.  Please keep the child at home... if he isnt well enough to go to school, he isnt well enough to be in the grocery store!

Jessica - posted on 07/20/2009

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Hi Alicia,
I see where you are coming from in that you don't like the idea of your unvaccinated child being around a child who has just been vaccinated as your child could possibly contract that virus, however, Doctors recommend that once your child has been vaccinated that you keep them isolated from other children for the required amount of time and in my opinion, anyone who doesn't do that haven't done any research or even listened to the nurse administering it. It is stupid to think that the moment your child is vaccinated that they are automatically immune and can't pass it on! Yes, my son has had his vaccinations up to date, but, I have researched each jab and deemed them worth the risk (for my own child that is) and have kept him isolated from other children the just more than recommended seperation period. I have no problem with my son being around unvaccinated children as (in my opinion) he is as protected as can be from unvaccinated AND vaccinated children.

And I totally agree with the comments made above that just because a child isn't vaccinated does not automatically make them a disease carrier! Anhy child can catch a virus regerdless of whether they have been vaccinated or not!

Kelly - posted on 03/05/2009

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I agree this is very upsetting. I had my son vaccinated and believe no child should enter the school system without them.If they do allow them to enter we should be notified of the risks.

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Sara - posted on 07/20/2009

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That's why I stand by the fact that when you chose not to vaccinate your child it's not a personal choice, it affects other families as well!



And there's been no proven link between Autism and Vaccinations...

Alicia - posted on 07/19/2009

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Please... giving your child the vaccinations is just as risky as them being around a child who isnt vaccinated. Arent you aware that these "vaccines" are basically live cells of the sickness they vaccinate? The chances of your child not having an immune reaction and acctually getting ill with the disease is slim but the chance theyll get it from an unvaccinated child is even smaller. I guess this irritates me as a parent because I have chosen not to vaccinate my daughter any further... after her 2 month shots she was extremley lathargic, like a wet blanket, completley limp and barely responsive... Your kids will go to school with kids whos parents have aids, yet there is no vaccination for that, does that upset or anger you too? Its not like its 1900 anymore, alot of the diseases that they vaccinate for have been irraticated except for in third world countries, and in the event of a germ warfare outbreak, the immunizations we get arent going to help anyway. I dont know if the immunizations cause autism, the research is still in infancy stages and not alot is known yet, but I dont feel too comfotable playing russian roulette with my child....

Jessica - posted on 07/19/2009

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Hi Kate,
I'm sorry if i came across the wrong way, I didn't mean to imply that everyone will get everything they come into contact with. What I was trying to express was that just because you have the vaccine doesn't mean you won't get...so and so! I just don't understand why people would think this? Vaccination is not a sure fire way to stopping your child from getting that illness, It is just meant to help fight the virus should you ever contract it!

Kate - posted on 07/19/2009

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Jessica,

You are wrong. Not everyone who comes into contact with an illness will catch it. In fact, only about 20% of people will in most cases. It is called "susceptibility" and is not well understood. For example, at Christmas a nasty stomach virus was going around. DH, DD, MIL, FIL, SIL, niece, nephew and I all caught it. Other SIL and BIL and SIL's boyfriend did not catch it, despite exposure. Clearly there was a factor at play besides exposure or EVERYONE would have gotten it. We all know people who "never get sick" even when something's going around.

There are MANY factors to why disease spreads and why people do or don't get sick. It isn't as simple as exposure. And it isn't as simple as one other cause, either. Every choice you make -- drugs, food choice, exercise, vaccines, stress habits, etc. -- affects your life.

Kate - posted on 07/19/2009

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Most disease outbreaks are in VACCINATED kids. And, live virus vaccines (inc. measles, chicken pox, etc.) can shed, making kids sick. So it concerns ME that even though I'm not vaccinating my kids, they could catch an illness (in a less treatable, more virulent form) from a kid who is recently vaccinated.

So, concern goes both ways. Non-vaccinated kids are NOT disease carriers.

Marta - posted on 07/19/2009

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Personally I beleive that vaccinations for non-sexually transmitted infections should be mandatory for children attending public, catholic or private schools. We can't control who other ppls children come into contact with and what illnesses those kids may contract. If you don't want to vaccinate your kids that's fine but, on the other hand you need to consider that your child may contract an airborn illness that may not necessarily harm them but could be life-threatening to those your children come in contact with. Children under 6 mos. are not vaccinated for MMR and if they were to be infected the illness can (and often does) cause death. It is our responsibility ad active citizens of densely populated areas to keep our neighbours and everyone we come in contact with in consideration when it comes to illness etc. No medicine is ever 100% effective but it is extremely helpful in keeping certain diseases from creating a true pandemic!

Jessica - posted on 07/19/2009

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Why do people think that Autism is linked to vaccines? Autism is where the brain stops developing in the "normal" way! This starts BEFORE the MMR vaccines that are supposed to cause this! People with autism tend to have
* difficulty with social communication
* difficulty with social interaction
* difficulty with social imagination.
I personally don't think that if a Vaccination caused this then it would be so specific in the area of the brain it affected! You would see a more rounded effect if this were the case!

Jessica - posted on 07/19/2009

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The whole point of vaccinations is to allow our children to develop the anti-bodies to fight off the disease should they come into contact with the full virus! It does NOT stop them from catching it altogether! Vaccinations are there to provide a boost/step up in fighting the virii when and if they do catch it! There is NO science in the WORLD that will prevent you from catching something if you come into contact with it!

Katie - posted on 03/05/2009

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I hope everyone realizes that many of these HORRIBLE diseases and illnesses are NOT completely eradiacted on this earth. Perhaps a foreign visitor brings in a strain of polio, which has happened several times in the past few decades. Are you able to screen everyone your children come in contact with for the rest of their lives?

And for those of you that choose not to vaccinate, that's your right. But you better also teach your children not to world travel. We take for granted the extreme reduction of incidence of diseases in this country, which is thanks to the fact that most people still believe in vaccinating their children.

April - posted on 03/05/2009

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My son was vaccinated for chicken pox, however he still got them, The good thing was that even tho he got them, it wasn't as bad as if he hadn't been vaccinated because my daughter who is 3 years older did not get the vaccination because it was not required in the schools at he time for her age so she cought them from my son and it was soooo much worse like almost 10xs worse then what he had. He had very few spots and she was covered head to toe inside and out. So I agree that its frustrating but the best we can do as parents is vaccinate, help them eat healthy and or take vitamins, excersise(play) this will help build up their immune systems and will be less likely to catch these things. Also you need to teach that even tho they may be close with their friends they need to avoind shareing some things and getting that close when their frinds seem sick. And always wash hands when comming indoors from outside and before putting food in their mouth.



However do not over protect them from certine enviorments and things like commen colds. someone I know did that and as soon as the kids were exposed to certine enviorments they became very sick because they had been protected from most things like smoke, smog, dust, anyone with colds ect where as I understand you wouldn't want your kids around that anyway its a part of life and they will be exposed to it sooner or later and the sooner they build up that immunity to this stuff the better they will be.

Flory - posted on 03/05/2009

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Hello moms! I am a mother of 3 young children (8, 6 and almost 2) and I did not an will not vaccinate my children. This choice has been made after doing a major check/study on all pro's and cons on vaccination. First of all,  achild's immune system is not complete untill around two years of age....if you then consider a cocktail shot of at least 5 different diseases....even mother nature is not that cruel to give you 5 different diseases at once!!! Let alone a just born baby!!! This is a major attack on the nervouse system.



Almost all (if not all) childhood illnesses are not deadly in this day and age, that is if you have the right doctors around you! Only the illness its self will give total immunaty, vaccinations do not....they only give many critical, long lasting and even deadly side effects!!! The fact that they DO NOT give immunity should make you wonder WHY you should give them! Vaccination shots are loaded with deadly chemicals among other things! That lead to autism, leukiemia and many more disorders!!!



My children are very healthy! Our bodies need to be sick once in a while....to throw out all the things that the body cannot use.....by surpressing any illness you deny the bodie to do its work. I surround myself with doctors that are familair with childhood diseases, homeopaths, and others...and I will not let the pharmaceuticals get me scared!!!



For ALOT of information about Vaccination go to



www.thinktwice.com



And there are many books written on the subject:



A shot in the Dark



Vaccination, the end of a myth





For any other informatio, feel free to contact me @





Florygout@gmail.com



 

Autumn - posted on 03/05/2009

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I don't think anyone can say for sure that vaccinations don't cause autism!! I mean look at all the side affects that these vaccines can cause, It has autism written all over it!! I do believe that vaccinations are very important but i also believe that we give our children way to many...way to early in their lives. There is no reason that our kids need to be getting 6 or 7 in one visit. Just be smart about the timing and don't over load you babies with to much at once.

Emily - posted on 03/05/2009

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I'm upset by this too. Also, VACCINES DO NOT CAUSE AUTISM! The person who made that "discovery" public was recently fired from his job for causing this public scare. There are no connections between vaccines and autism. It makes me angry that people think their children are *special snowflakes* who dont have to be vaccinated. Vaccines are SO important, and I think they should be mandatory.

Jill - posted on 03/05/2009

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Jill. didn't mean to touch a nerve, as I said just pointing out how things can be percieved differently than intended... which is why I stated I was not being negative.  It dont want to get into the semantics as it feels like it is taking a negative turn.  Just best to leave it that everyone was trying to be helpful... 

Jill - posted on 03/05/2009

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Jill - Don't assume people know how to conduct legitimate research either. My experience has shown that most people do not.

Jill - posted on 03/05/2009

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Quoting Jill:



Quoting Jill:




Gee, can't we al have a friendly discussion about this without name calling and a holier-than-thou attitude? We don't have to agree but poor Shawn was looking to other moms for info and support. I wouldn't blame her if she never posted here again.








Know that whatever your decision there are pros and cons and you are the best person to determine how you should proceed.








Remember that 'research' is not reading a couple of biased articles on the Internet.










Jill, that is possible... but remember to practice yourself!  Dont assume people just use the internet for their sources and dont discuss with doctors, or read the literature that comes with medictions/vaccines.  I think everyone posts here to be helpful, and passive agressive comments by anyone may make people not want to reply or post in the community.






 






To me, your comment came across as what you were preaching against, ie 'holier-than-thou' attitude, and I am sure that is NOT what you were aiming for. 






 






Not being negative, just wanted to point it out... Perceptions and all!



 



I guess you can never make everyone happy. Gee, when I said it was her decision and there were pros and cons on either side I don't know how much more diplomatic I could have been.  Sorry if you were offended.





 

Jill - posted on 03/05/2009

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Quoting Jill:



Quoting Jill:




Gee, can't we al have a friendly discussion about this without name calling and a holier-than-thou attitude? We don't have to agree but poor Shawn was looking to other moms for info and support. I wouldn't blame her if she never posted here again.








Know that whatever your decision there are pros and cons and you are the best person to determine how you should proceed.








Remember that 'research' is not reading a couple of biased articles on the Internet.










Jill, that is possible... but remember to practice yourself!  Dont assume people just use the internet for their sources and dont discuss with doctors, or read the literature that comes with medictions/vaccines.  I think everyone posts here to be helpful, and passive agressive comments by anyone may make people not want to reply or post in the community.






 






To me, your comment came across as what you were preaching against, ie 'holier-than-thou' attitude, and I am sure that is NOT what you were aiming for. 






 






Not being negative, just wanted to point it out... Perceptions and all!



 



I guess you can never make everyone happy. Gee, when I said it was her decision and there were pros and cons on either side I don't know how much more diplomatic I could have been.  Sorry if you were offended.





 

Jill - posted on 03/05/2009

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Quoting Shawn:



Thank you for the info and so sorry to hear about your father.  i know there is so much out there these days that it is frightening.  But it helps too when people share things to educate, and I thank you for your info.






Thanks for taking the time to comment back!  :)

Jill - posted on 03/05/2009

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Quoting Jill:



Gee, can't we al have a friendly discussion about this without name calling and a holier-than-thou attitude? We don't have to agree but poor Shawn was looking to other moms for info and support. I wouldn't blame her if she never posted here again.






Know that whatever your decision there are pros and cons and you are the best person to determine how you should proceed.






Remember that 'research' is not reading a couple of biased articles on the Internet.






Jill, that is possible... but remember to practice yourself!  Dont assume people just use the internet for their sources and dont discuss with doctors, or read the literature that comes with medictions/vaccines.  I think everyone posts here to be helpful, and passive agressive comments by anyone may make people not want to reply or post in the community.



 



To me, your comment came across as what you were preaching against, ie 'holier-than-thou' attitude, and I am sure that is NOT what you were aiming for. 



 



Not being negative, just wanted to point it out... Perceptions and all!

Jill - posted on 03/05/2009

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Gee, can't we al have a friendly discussion about this without name calling and a holier-than-thou attitude? We don't have to agree but poor Shawn was looking to other moms for info and support. I wouldn't blame her if she never posted here again.



Know that whatever your decision there are pros and cons and you are the best person to determine how you should proceed.



Remember that 'research' is not reading a couple of biased articles on the Internet.

Shawn - posted on 03/05/2009

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Thank you for the info and so sorry to hear about your father.  i know there is so much out there these days that it is frightening.  But it helps too when people share things to educate, and I thank you for your info.

Shawn - posted on 03/05/2009

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Quoting Jill:



I'm with Jodie on this. I vaccintate my children and am lucky that they are naturally healthy. Neither has had a more than a cold and slight cough and I take them everywhere. They also go to YMCA daycare four times a week while I workout. I am unsure of their policy with regard to vaccines but again, my kids are rarely sick. I also agree with Jennifer about the crummy food we put into our bodies nowadays. I think that is the very biggest health risk there is. Feed your child well, don't be overprotective and vaccinate! Chances are your kids will be fine.





Thanks for the input, I am a first time mom and my family lives 3000 miles away, so extra input is always helpful.  My son is a healthy boy, he does each well, not a lot of junk.  Loves his veggies, fruits and chicken.



 



I was just a little shocked by what she had said and it just took me off guard and wanted opinions.



Thank you again.



Shawn 

Shawn - posted on 03/05/2009

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Wow, I was simply stating information from my pediatrician that was a little shocking to me.  I was by no means asking anyone to vaccinate or not vaccinate.  I was looking for a little feedback from other mothers.  I do have a medical background and am very aware of the CDC guidelines and regulations and what goes into the vaccines.



Wow that was an awful thing to say, you do not know me and I am NOT a Bigot and I AM DEFINITELY NOT IGNORANT.  By no means was I saying the vaccine free children are vectors of the disease.  I have had booster shots myself of the recommended vaccinations.



"What a bigoted, ignorant thing to believe...that only vaccine free kids are vectors of disease"



I do not require any further lectures, thank you!

Shawn - posted on 03/04/2009

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Quoting Guggie:



Wow. Just, wow. I wonder if this is a fake, stir the crap question?






 






Are you kidding me? This is worse than the herd-immunity fallacy.






 






You do know that right on the pamphlets the manufacturer admits that transmission is not prevented, right? "Toxoid is still present on the nares"






What a bigoted, ignorant thing to believe...that only vaccine free kids are vectors of disease.






You do know that the live vaccines shed, right? Do you even know what that means? It means you go to the doctor and shoot your kid up with an activated, live version of the viruses, then your kid spreads a bunch of nasty germs (some of them mutated and not the wild version, such as the MMR and varicella).






 






If you're so scared of some buggy, vaccine free kid making your kid sick, maybe it's time to re-evaluate why you are actually vaccinating. Obviously you don't think vaccines prevent your kid from getting sick.






 






BTW, have you bothered to read what the CDC says on immunity? Do you know that vaccines only give temporary immunity, if any at all? Have you read the recent news on Pertussis? Do you know they are suggesting a 7th dose b/c it's still not working?






 






Vaccines cause a T2 immune response. Natural immunity is a T1 response. Vaccine immunity typically lasts 10 years or less, with some vaccines giving less than 5 years of immunity.






 






Only young children and medical personnel are routinely vaccinated in our country. They equal less than 25% of our 301 million residents. That means only 25% out of 301 million people routinely get vaccinated. And with many medical personnel declining vaccines, plus concerned parents delaying or being selective about vaccines, the number is probably lower.






 






Have you had your titres checked? I bet the only thing you have immunity to is tetanus. Guess that doesn't matter, b/c tetanus isn't contagious.





 

Jill - posted on 03/04/2009

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Someone mentioned Tetnus.  I just want to say that my father just had a physical and they now routinely give the tetnus shot if it has been passed a certain timeframe.



It seems not a lot of people know this, but you can get an auto-immune disease called Guillian Barre that basically attacks your Central Nervous System and you can be paralyzed as quickly as 24 hours, and die within 48 hours.  THERE IS NO CURE.  My dad thankfully survived and is slowly regaining mobility because they caught it in time and gave him a 5 day blood transfusion.  (filters whatever causes it down to a minute trace)  He was in the hospital for about a week, and now fights to regain the strength he had BEFORE he got the tetnus.



 



So, that is why I worry about whatever goes into my child.  It is okay NOT to trust the Doctors 100% at face value.  Read a little bit of what to expect on what could go wrong, no the signs and symptoms.  I know when I posted about it above, I probably didnt express myself correctly.  I had the one fussing and cranky because he is teething, plus not feeling so well after his 'jabs' the day before.



 



My apologies!

Jill - posted on 03/04/2009

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You CAN ask for an inactive vaccine that is usually given to immuno-surpressed children.  I live in the UK and did just that.  Their version of an 'office manager' is checking into it.



 



Most children get an ACTIVE vaccine which contains a live virus in it.  Plus all those lovely fillers that Betsy Glidden-Robins mentioned. 



Dont be afraid to ask questions about which vaccines are out there and the options available to you. If you are in the USA, you have a lot more choice than I do now living here.  I have the unfortunate challenge of forgetting what it was like before I moved to a country with socialized medicine!



 

Guggie - posted on 03/03/2009

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Wow. Just, wow. I wonder if this is a fake, stir the crap question?



 



Are you kidding me? This is worse than the herd-immunity fallacy.



 



You do know that right on the pamphlets the manufacturer admits that transmission is not prevented, right? "Toxoid is still present on the nares"



What a bigoted, ignorant thing to believe...that only vaccine free kids are vectors of disease.



You do know that the live vaccines shed, right? Do you even know what that means? It means you go to the doctor and shoot your kid up with an activated, live version of the viruses, then your kid spreads a bunch of nasty germs (some of them mutated and not the wild version, such as the MMR and varicella).



 



If you're so scared of some buggy, vaccine free kid making your kid sick, maybe it's time to re-evaluate why you are actually vaccinating. Obviously you don't think vaccines prevent your kid from getting sick.



 



BTW, have you bothered to read what the CDC says on immunity? Do you know that vaccines only give temporary immunity, if any at all? Have you read the recent news on Pertussis? Do you know they are suggesting a 7th dose b/c it's still not working?



 



Vaccines cause a T2 immune response. Natural immunity is a T1 response. Vaccine immunity typically lasts 10 years or less, with some vaccines giving less than 5 years of immunity.



 



Only young children and medical personnel are routinely vaccinated in our country. They equal less than 25% of our 301 million residents. That means only 25% out of 301 million people routinely get vaccinated. And with many medical personnel declining vaccines, plus concerned parents delaying or being selective about vaccines, the number is probably lower.



 



Have you had your titres checked? I bet the only thing you have immunity to is tetanus. Guess that doesn't matter, b/c tetanus isn't contagious.

Evalyn - posted on 03/03/2009

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You dont have to be angry about this.Your child might just might catch the disease but it will be so mild it wont put him down like it would if he were not vaccinated.You have done the right thing to vaccinate.

Aislynn - posted on 03/03/2009

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Let me begin this by saying that my husband and I are PRO Vaccine... I feel the every side and angle concerning the vaccine controversy is unfortunate, and the most unfortunate part of it is that our children's health is being put at risk because there are no clear answers from any side. I have a beautiful and healthy 13 month old son who has had all of his vaccines scheduled except for his MMR. I have picked up quite a few books and have made sure to get the opinions coming at me from all sides so that I am not swayed by a biased opinion solely. After reading all that I have, I have come to the conclusion that there are going to be inherent risks no matter what choice we make for our son. I never knew that some of the MANY side effects being studied in direct relation to vaccines of all sorts include, but are not limited to, autism, allergies, asthma, juvenile diabetes, Crohn's Disease, language disabilities, speech delays, leaky gut, and the list goes on. Many of these problems have a higher rate of victims than what the normal citizen has to contract the diseases in which we are being vaccinated for... Did you know that the Hepatits B vaccine, that the CDC reccommends every baby receive within 12 hours of birth but no later than 2 months of age (first of 3 doses to be received), is essentially protecting your newborn baby from a disease that he/she has relatively no risk of contracting until adulthood unless of course the mother has Hep B? There is also no proof that the combined 3 doses of Hep B provide a lifetime protection from Hep B. Why did my son have to have it then? These are the questions I am asking myself now after reading and doing my homework. The way I see it is that for my son's entire life I have made sure that he has received everything he needs to be healthy and I have made sure that everything he consumes is safe and will not harm him. Why is it any different for parents to question the CDC's recommended vaccination schedule for our children? The only difference is that they are mandating what we hold our babies down and allow a nurse to shoot straight into their fragile little bodies. Very scary to me really. Again, we are pro vaccine and will more than likely get all of my son's vaccinations but we will do it with the knowledge of what each vaccine contains (thimerosal (49.6% organic ethylmercury), aluminum, formaldahyde, the main component of anti-freeze, aborted fetus cells, "cleaned" sheep's blood, etc). We will make sure that his tiny body is never over loaded, not for fear of autism but for common sense alone. I think it is every parent's right to make such a monumental decision in their child's health and the responsibility to protect their child's health to know exactly what is going into them with every vaccine; if that means delaying some of them then that is their choice alone to make.

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I understand what you are all saying. And I cook only with Organic products, you are all entitled to your opinions but I find it weird that having a normal child one day who takes his vitamins and a mother who does all the right htings then has her child vaccinated and all of the sudden he develops TICS? How do you explain that? And please do not give me age categories. So like i have said you are all entitled to your opinions but when you get a flu shot to protect yourself but you still get it then why bother getting the shot in the first place? This could go back and forth all night but I am venting my frustrations. I just feel personally there are more to these vaccines than people are willing to tell us! That is all!:D

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There seems to be some confusion about the link between autism and vaccines. Several posters have said that they don't believe autism is caused by vaccines - that has never been the issue. Many doctors/scientists/parents believe autism can be triggered by vaccines, not caused by vaccines. Knowing one child who is autistic and has never been vaccinated does not mean that there is no connection - there are probably thousands of autistic children who have not been vaccinated. The consensus seems to be that there is some genetic predisposition for the disease, and it can be triggered by an ingredient found in vaccines. When this trigger occurs, among other things, the brain stops  sending the signal for the body to produce certain enzymes, which leads to the gastrointestinal problems that are so common in people with autism (this is also why some parents have been having such success with changing their child's diet). Obviously vaccines are not the only trigger for autism. There may very well be a link to the food we ingest. In America, we eat a diet very high in gluten and processed junk, which can overload the body if there are not certain digestive enzymes working at full force.  We don't know what actually causes autism, but we do know that since the start of widespread vaccinations, the amount of autism cases has increased dramatically (it went from about 1 in every 1500 to about 1 in every 150 children), even after mercury was removed from the vaccines. To me personally, that is a big enough reason not to have my son vaccinated (he received his shots up until he was one, and I was always leary of how many they gave him at once).  Obviously it is a personal choice that parents have to make. Whether there is a connection to autism doesn't change the fact that there are very toxic chemicals in vaccines. Hopefully this form of discussion will encourage parents to do more research, and urge the government to make these vaccines safer for our children.

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By the way, I think a much more believeable theory about the cause of Autism is all the chemicals we expose our children to these days in soaps, lotions, cleaning agents, and even plastic. This is just strictly a theory, but we try to go natural whenever possible.

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Many of the vaccines that your children receive are inactivated or weakened forms of viruses/bacteria or what is known as an antigen - a part of the bacteria or virus (usually a protein) that will illicit an immune reponse without exposing the child to the actual virus. The body generates antibodies, which then stick around in case the child is exposed to the full-strength virus in the future.



Most viruses don't stick around after your child is exposed. It's the antibodies, which is the immune system's "memory". Therefore, if you child receives a vaccine they can build the antibodies without going through the horrible disease process. Some viruses do remain dormant in the body (for example chicken pox which can later come back as shingles), but most are cleared by the immune system. Sometimes the vaccine doesn't completely prevent an illness, it just makes it a much more mild course of the disease with usually very few complications.



It is a parent's right to decide if they want to immunize their child. The main concern about Autism was a theory that it was caused by mercury in an ingredient called thimerosal (was in the MMR vaccine), but it is no longer in the MMR vaccine. Plus this was NEVER proven legally or in research.



People have forgotten the horrible illnesses and diseases that were caused by some of these viruses/bacteria. Before the measles vaccine, 3 million Americans a year got it... 48,000 were hospitalized...and 500 died. For chickenpox, 1 in 200,000 unimmunized infants who get it die... 1 in 100,000 older kids die...and 1 in 500 are hospitalized.



1 in 200,000 might not seem like that great of a risk, but it sure seems like it when it comes to my baby!



Hope this helps.

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Someone else posted this on another thread about vaccines.(see below) i don't think people are aware of what goes in these. some children simply cannot have them due to allergies...some for religious reasons, some for adverse side affects and some because their parents do not trust what all those ingredients will do once injected. i understand what you are saying, but it was your right and decision to vaccinate your child just as it is someone else's to not do it. If you have not been vaccinated recently as an adult you too can bring these home to your child. Think about it....how often do you update yours? My dr states a booster is needed every 10 years or so......anyways....here are how the shot are made..........



 



VARIVAX
Varicella Virus Vaccine Live. Merck & Company, 1-800-672-6372. Produced using sucrose, phosphate, glutamate, and processed gelatin. Medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue).

* Warning: Thimerosal is a chemical compound that contains 49.6 percent mercury as a preservative. Mercury is one of the most dangerous toxins known to scientists. This is 100 times the exposure that the Environmental Protection Agency’’s Poison Control Center guidelines consider safe for the average-sized infant, as mercury is known to cause neurotoxicity and brain damage that mirrors the symptoms of autism. For more information, see the website of Concerned Parents for Vaccine Safety.

Source:http://www.naturodoc.c
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MMR
Measles Mumps Rubella Live Virus Vaccination. Merck & Company, 1-800-672-6372. Produced using sorbitol, neomycin, and hydrolyzed gelatin. Mediums: M & M — chick embryo. Rubella — human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue).

MUMPSVAX
Mumps Virus Vaccine Live. Merck & Company, 1-800-672-6372. Produced using neomycin, sorbitol, and hydrolyzed gelatin. Medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue).

ORIMUNE
Poliovirus Vaccine Live Oral Trivalent. Lederle Laboratories, 1-800-934-5556. Produced using three types of attenuated polioviruses, streptomycin, neomycin, calf serum, and sorbitol. Medium: monkey kidney cell culture.

Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed
SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals, 1-800-366-8900, extension 5231. Produced using betapropiolactone, aluminum phosphate, sodium ethylmercurithiosalicyate (thimerosol),* and phenol red. Medium: fetal rhesus monkey lung cells.

RECOMBIVAX
Hepatitis B Vaccine Recombinant. Merck & Company, 1-800-672-6372. Produced using thimerosol* and aluminum hydroxide. Medium: yeast (residual; less than 1 percent yeast protein).

HAVRIX
Hepatitis A. SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals, 1-800-366-8900, extension 5231. Produced using formalin, aluminum hydroxide, phenoxyethanol (antifreeze), polysorbate 20, and residual MRC5 proteins (from medium). Medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue).

IM0 VAX
Rabies Vaccine Adsorbed. Connaught Laboratories, 1-800-822-2463. Produced using human albumin, neomycin sulfate, and phenol red indicator. Medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue).

IPOL
Inactivated Polio Vaccine. Connaught Laboratories, 1-800-822-2463. Produced using three types of polio virus, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol (anti-freeze), neomycin, streptomycin, and polymyxin B. Medium: VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells.

MERUVAX II
Rubella Virus Vaccine Live. Merck & Company, 1-800-672-6372. Produced using neomycin, sorbitol, and hydrolyzed gelatin. Medium: human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue).

M-R VAX
Measles and Rubella Virus Vaccine Live. Merck & Company, 1-800-672-6372. Produced using neomycin, sorbitol, and hydrolyzed gelatin. Mediums: M & M — chick embryo. Rubella — human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue).

Common vaccines and their production details
BIAVAX
Rubella and mumps virus vaccine live. Merck & Company, Inc., 1-800-672-6372. Produced using neomycin, sorbitol, and hydrolyzed gelatin. Medium: human diploid cells originating from human aborted fetal tissue.

DPT
Diphtheria and tetanus toxoids acellular pertussis vaccine adsorbed. SmithKline Beecham Pharmaceuticals, 1-800-366-8900, extension 5231. Produced using aluminum phosphate, formaldehyde, ammonium sulfate, washed sheep red blood cells, glycerol, sodium chloride, and thimerosol.* Medium: porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein.

FLUSHIELD
Influenza Virus Vaccine, Trivalent, Types A & B. Wyeth-Ayerst, 1-800-934-5556. Produced using gentamicin sulfate, formaldehyde, po!ysorbate 80, tri(n) butylphosphate, and thimerosol.* Medium: chick embryos.

FLU VIRIN
Influenza Virus Vaccine. Medeva Pharmaceuticals, 1 -888-MEDEVA (716- 274-5300). Produced using embroyonic fluid (chicken egg), neomycin, polymyxin, thimerosol,* and betapropiolactone. Medium: embryonic fluid (chicken egg).


The following is a description of the various chemical compounds added to vaccines for stability and other marketing purposes that have nothing to do with children’’s health. The information was obtained from the 1997 Physician’’s Desk Reference. This is a representative, not a comprehensive, list of various types of vaccines. For several entries, there are direct phone numbers.



WWW.LIVETOTALWELLNESS.COM/VANESSASHIBLEY



 

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No Shawn you are not alone. I think it is absolutely ridiculous. I no longer vaccinate my children with the flu vaccine or some of the others. I think it is useless and just the Doctor's way to bill the daylights out of your insurance company. Also not only can it be traced to Austism but other things as well. You would be amazed at what else I have found out! You are in no way upsetting anyone. it is nice to not that you are not alone. I really appreciate you putting this out here!

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I'm with Jodie on this. I vaccintate my children and am lucky that they are naturally healthy. Neither has had a more than a cold and slight cough and I take them everywhere. They also go to YMCA daycare four times a week while I workout. I am unsure of their policy with regard to vaccines but again, my kids are rarely sick. I also agree with Jennifer about the crummy food we put into our bodies nowadays. I think that is the very biggest health risk there is. Feed your child well, don't be overprotective and vaccinate! Chances are your kids will be fine.

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As a young girl, my daughter had whooping cough AFTER she had been vaccinated as a baby.. I can't imagine how bad it could have been, it was frightening. The Dr said they vaccinate against the most common, there are so many varieties.  The problems that can arise many years afer  a person has had even the measles are horrid.. While I don't like vaccinations, I have had all my four children immunised, in my opinion, it is not worth the risk not too?  each to his/her own of course. I didn't think that schools/daycare allowed children entry without proof of immunisations?

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You are not the only one who is upset by this, i too am really upset that my childrens life's are in danger because other kids are'nt immunised. I'm not saying that the parents have to immunise their kids because it's a personal choice but i feel it's unfair that my children are at risk of catching these things even when i have taken measures to keep them safe from these things. I do not believe that autism is linked to vaccinations at all.my nephew is autistic and has been since he was tiny and due to the fact that when he was little he was always sick with colds and temps no doctor would immunise him and thats y i believe that autism is not linked to vaccinations at all. He was never vaccinated and yet he still was diagnosed as autistic.

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Do some more research. Your child will build up an immunity to things that are airborne. Nothing is perfect. Have you ever heard a doctor say that any vaccination you give will be 100%? I never have and am aware of the risks. I do, however, believe that good nutrition, vitamins and lots of love help. But to each his own.

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OKay, I know tha I will get a lot of crap for saying this BUT I really dont think shots are causing Autism.. We saw thing with my son when he was 6 months old. I am lean towards the crap we eat.. Who knows maybe it is from all of the diet coke I drink. I dont agree with giving child 4-5 at once there is no reason why they cant space them out. I am a older parent and I am sure the shots we got had worse stuff in them..But it is a famlies choice but these illness can be life threating, So I guess I really dont have the right answer.. Ask for them to be spaced out or some thing

Jennifer - posted on 03/03/2009

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OKay, I know tha I will get a lot of crap for saying this BUT I really dont think shots are causing Autism.. We saw thing with my son when he was 6 months old. I am lean towards the crap we eat.. Who knows maybe it is from all of the diet coke I drink. I dont agree with giving child 4-5 at once there is no reason why they cant space them out. I am a older parent and I am sure the shots we got had worse stuff in them..But it is a famlies choice but these illness can be life threating, So I guess I really dont have the right answer.. Ask for them to be spaced out or some thing

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