vaccinations

Angie - posted on 05/11/2010

Natasha, at least your daughter got most of the important ones. There isn't too much left for her to get. By age one she should have been vaccinated against Hep B, Diptheria, Tetanus, Pertussis, Meningitis, Pneumonia, Polio, and Rotavirus. If she got her 1 year shots she's also been vaccinated against Mumps, Measles, Rubella and Chicken Pox...at least once.

Natasha - posted on 05/11/2010

Our daughter was vaccinated last year (born March 2009) but we have since decided to no longer vaccinate her. She is 14months now and has had all vaccinations up until the 12mth old ones. My husband and I have done a tonne of reading and research and have decided that we will no longer vaccinate her due to many of the things we have read.



I think it's a personal choice and it's a very contraversial issue, therefore I don't think there is a definite right or wrong.

Angie - posted on 05/11/2010

Understand, too, that your not vaccinating your children can harm those who can't be vaccinated because of age or weakened immunity. If your child develops Hep A infection, for instance, he will survive it just fine but if he gives it to his Grandma she could get seriously ill. Sometimes children carry illnesses, get the milder form of it, and spread it to those that are more compromised (like the elderly or those receiving chemo, etc). They can survive chicken pox just fine---but if they give it to someone who is pregnant that's a different story. Vaccinate the children and you not only help them but help those who will die if they get exposed and can't get vaccinated. And for those who say the vaccines are full of dangerous junk--read my post about how much your child actually gets. Look at your pinky from the nail bed to the tip. That's it. 0.5 mls at a time. There are 2.5mls in 1/2 tsp. It's a fifth of that. So even if they get 4 shots at a time, they're still getting less than 1/2 tsp total! If you think that that minute amount is "loaded" with monkey parts and chemicals, then start looking at the ingredients in your food and remember that they, too, get absorbed into the blood stream and tissues. Please keep this in perspective. Don't fear shots, get educated and get vaccinated.

Natasha - posted on 05/11/2010

I read something recently that said: you can vaccinate your child but you can't UN-vaccinate them.

In other words, think about it for as long as you need to. Do your own reading and research. Give bub vaccinations late if that's what you choose to do.

Once you vaccinate, you can't undo it. So be informed. :-)

Angie - posted on 05/11/2010

All states have programs that involve free vaccinations for infants and children. No one has to "afford" them. They are there. In the State I live in, if your insurance doesn't cover them, you can get them through the Shots for Tots program.

Christina - posted on 05/11/2010

Agree with you all the way, We choose not to vaccinate our children, for many reasons. None that we came about lightly. My opinion on the subject is this, We all are accountable for what drugs we allow the medical profession to give our children, So I believe that parents have a right to choose, but real choices can only be made with all the information at hand. Pros and Cons, without all of the pressure that your children will die if you don't immunize your children, I have 5 children that are not dead, because we didn't immunize them. Also if you want people to trust your motivations for wanting to vaccinate our children remove the money involved, doctors get paid bonus for giving immunization. Drug companies make money from selling them. I want to congratulate you Tiffany for having the courage to stand up for What you and I believe to be right.
Stop harming our innocent children!

Angie - posted on 05/11/2010

Hi Tiffany,
I'm a nurse and a Christian Mom. I have had my children vaccinated and, after careful consideration, worked in a Pediatric office and did all the vaccinating there. After extensive research through the pros and cons, sifting out fact from fiction and reality from panic, I have concluded that vaccines are as safe as much of the food we eat and the OTC medicines we take. I am 51 years old and have been a nurse for 25 of those years. I see Moms who will not have their babies vaccinated take them into a hospital and not hesitate to have medications given to them. The thimerosal preservative is absent from most of the infant vaccines now and even that was removed as an extra precaution, not because it was proven to be harmful. The amount of mercury put into the blood stream is less than the amount ingested and absorbed into the bloodstream when we eat some common types of fish. The amount of liquid injected into an infant or child is equal to half of the tip of your pinky. The vaccines are inactivated, other than the MMR and Varicella and live Flu (Flumist). The active part of the MMR and Varicella is even less than what you'd get if you had direct exposure to those illnesses---just enough for your body's wonderul and amazing immune system to kick in and start building antibodies to those illnesses. Who's to say God didn't allow those vaccines to be created to prevent the deaths and deformities of so many infants and children? We are so far away from what this world used to have in the way of infectious diseases and that is directly related to the vaccinating of infants and children. At my age, I can remember children deformed and physically limited from the effects of polio, infants who died of measles and little boys who became sterile because of mumps. Moms HATE seeing their kids scream in pain from receiving shots...and I think that plays into finding a reason not to give them. You're doing your baby a disservice. I do believe that there might be valid moral reasons to avoid certain vaccines (for instance, a friend of mine won't let her babies get ones that were developed using fetuses). But don't be too quick to jump on the band wagon of vaccine foes--you might be doing more harm than good.

Jannine - posted on 05/11/2010

Amy Lea, i think you are awesome. I too would rather have my child alive than dead. - everyone hads the right to their opinion but some people project negativity on to others regarding vaccines which make them scared and therefore they do not realize the added benefits that having vaccinations can have.

Tanasha - posted on 05/11/2010

Define "affected".. ALL vaccines (like any other medication out there, even tylenol) carry the risk of side affects. The worst thing that ever happened was my daughter got a low-grade fever after one round of vaccines. I am sorry but the thought of my child catching one of the DEADLY diseases these viruses protect against vs potential side effects, the majority of which are very mild and even the worst-case ones are extremely rare is a no-brainer. My mother saw the effects of things like Polio, which has been virtually eradicated in the US because of vaccines. I have seen images, read blogs, etc.. and I will NOT threaten my child's health based on potential side effects. The side effects of a vaccine are a much lesser evil than the debilitating, painful and potentially deadly diseases we are protecting them against. I will never understand why anyone would not get thier child vaccinated... a few children have severe effects and suddenly vaccines are bad? To each thier own, I just hope YOUR child never gets polio or meningitis, etc, etc

Elizabeth - posted on 05/11/2010

Wow. I will add my two cents, because I have chosen TO vaccinate, and I have chosen to NOT vaccinate. I also did my OWN research - I went to the library (of all places). I pulled out the most recently released Physicians Desk Reference and researched all the vaccines my children were supposd to get. I researched each of the ingredients - the purpose, effects and side-effects. I researched the process by which the vaccines were created, tested and approved. I researched the illnesses prevented by those vaccines - the effects and prevelence of the illnesses. My husband (who was initially, and understandably, very skeptical of conspiracy claims) and I came to the conclusion that, based on the information provided by the drug companies themselves, for our children, the risks of vaccination outweigh the benefits. We are not swayed easily; this decision was a very serious one for us.
While we fall on the "don't vaccinate" side of the spectrum, what I could wish for and truly advocate for is better education and information provided for parents to make the best decision for their children. I had to dig deep to find the FACTS, and NONE of it was available on the internet.
Jodi and Loureen - thank you for being so passionate about keeping children healthy. I was in your camp only a few years ago. I, too, am passionate about kids - all of them, not just my own. I don't think any of us would be a part of this group if we weren't. I'm not sure if Australia has the same reference books that I used here in the US, but please be assured I wasn't following the advice of the latest fear-monger trying to sell me anything. The PDR is used by mainstream doctors and pharmacists here in the US.
My firstborn had all of his vaccinations through first grade. We made that decision based on our doctor's advice. When we started hearing about research indicating problems caused by vaccines, we went to the best source we could find and did our own research. Our other children have incomplete vaccinations, because the published ingredients, methods of preparation and side effects were not what we wanted for our children. We have not given them any vaccines since.

Mary - posted on 05/11/2010

Here are some good reads for everyone who has vaccinated and not vaccinated. I am shocked by any mother who would vaccinate with OUT doing research. I was going to wait until my daughter was 1 and after doing many hours of research I have decided NOT to vaccinate. I have completely educated myself on my decision and shame on anyone who would allow deadly chemicals into their child and not understand what can happen from them not just autism but asthma, rheumatoid arthritis, type 1 diabetes, and not to mention the actual disease that they are getting a shot for. Please educate yourselves and read "The Vaccine Guide, Risks and Benefits for Children and Adults" by Randall Neustaedter OMD and "What Your Doctor May NOT Tell You About Children's Vaccinations" by Stephanie Cave, MD., F.A.A.F.P with Deborah Mitchell. There are some other really good reads out there but these are 2 books that I found to be extremely helpful.
And to all the Moms who think that my child will infect your child with a disease because she is unvaccinated are completely WRONG, it is the opposite. Your child could give my child the disease for up to 7 days after receiving a shot. Again, do your research so that when you are trying to accuse people of things you have research to back it up with. I have a ton of knowledge on all of this as well as many doctors who agree. If you are interested in knowing where I find my info, let me know.
Knowledge is power and is truly important when it comes to a childs life. And yes people, we were all vaccinated as children, with guess how many shots in our first year of life, TWO!! (well 6 but only 2 vaccines) Now, the schedule calls for a total of 36 shots before a child is 2 years old. A childs brain is developing for the first 2 years. I could go on and on, so anyone who wants to challenge me, please do. I have a host of knowledge and research to throw your way.

I do not knock parents who have blindly followed what their doctors have said, I actually have sympathy for you. I fully support Mom's who want to protect their children and not vaccinate and am more than happy to share where you can find the answers you are looking for!!

Andrea - posted on 05/11/2010

As moms we should all be informed and make the best choice possible for our children. I personally did not vaccinate my boys but others may choose to and that's o.k. I just think it's really important to make sure our kids bodies are functioning optimally and their nervous systems can orchestrate what to do with the vaccines or whatever they are exposed to ask they grow. You might want to listen to this radio show http://tinyurl.com/2f6cfq4.

Megan - posted on 05/11/2010

homeopathic belladonna is safe, so dilute that it contains no actual belladonna past 12c dilution. You cannot poison yourself with it and it is highly useful as both a fever remedy and flu. On the other hand, Poison control says that it only takes 1/4 teasp of orajel in children under a year to send them the ER - and 1/2 teasp in kiddos 12 mo to 2 or 3 y/o depending on weight - so if the child got ahold of the orajel and ingested the tube, it'd be much more concerning than eating an entire bottle of hylands teething tablets

Since the last few post were entirely off subject, I will say goodnight now. I hope that whatever choice ppl make they do it in a educated manner, not from scare tactics.

Iridescent - posted on 05/11/2010

People are so quick to blow off the idea that Hyland's Teething Tablets are potentially unsafe (as they contain belladonna, which is not recommended in any amount in a healthy infant or any healthy individual) because it's not "cool" to do so and "they work". So many state, "My child can eat the whole bottle and be fine," or "My child DID eat the whole bottle and nothing happened." Yet the minute amounts of preservatives in a vaccine...wow, they're terrible, can't have ever according to many, simply because they're "unsafe" when the risk for most is much lower than the benefit for all.

Iridescent - posted on 05/11/2010

I never stated the ingredients in vaccines are based on opinion. I did state that the same ingredients are present in various typical household items that the same people refusing to vaccinate (due to what is contained in a vaccine) use on a regular basis. Just because every single ingredient on the vaccine ingredient list is not contained in a single household product does not mean anything, as not one vaccine contains all the items on the vaccine ingredient list, either; each is made of their specific combination of things. Very few people take the time necessary to learn what toxic items are in each thing they use, unless/until it becomes a "fad" to do so. Vaccines is one example of this. BPH is another, and cow hormone injections, and the list goes on... I'm not stating that nobody has ill effects from any of the above; one of my first links was showing how they CAN cause harm, and what is recommended to prevent that harm from occurring. Yet that is overlooked completely by many and assumed to be the same study as the lying scientist by others without looking, because it's not a "fad" or "cool" or commonly recognized yet, as it is new research (since last year), yet much more proven than many.

Megan - posted on 05/11/2010

The toxins that are in a vaccine are fact, those ingredients are on the vaccine label, the CDC has a full blown chart of all vaccine ingredients, they are not some one's "opinion"
Not sure what soap you can buy at the store, but I have yet to find a soap with formaldehyde or antifreeze in it.

Iridescent - posted on 05/11/2010

I know a lot more about this particular subject than most. Not everything, but then nobody does, which is why research is continuing. So many people are posting about the harmful chemicals in vaccines yet not reading the facts or considering as they do things like put soap in their child's mouth for copying a word they say that there are more toxins within that than one injection. So yea, I'm dismissing that opinion because it is completely ignorant.

Megan - posted on 05/11/2010

Nope Amy, I don't give my kids any of those things on that list. We live sustainably on an 80 acre organic farm. We don't have a microwave and we only use cell phones in emergencies. I don't think vaccines are the only culprit in disease, to do so would be foolish. You crass and disrespectful comment are really not needed, "Moving on..." seems to say that your children are the only ones that are important, that those of us who have vaccine injured children or that chose not to vaccinate should just get over it and sacrifice our children for the "common good". How's life up there on your high horse? I only have brought info to this discussion, when you start dismissing ppl it only proves that you aren't fully educated on the subject.

Gaynor-Marie - posted on 05/11/2010

I appreciate some of your comments I think like most issues, it is not black and white it behooves parents to be informed. I noticed that when I had my first they were immunising against 4 diseases at a time by the time I had my 5th it was 6 and now it is even more. My heart and mind say 2 months or even birth for hepB its to much to soon we sterlise bottles and dummies we make people use hand sanitize or wash hands before touching them then we inject them with 6 or 7 virus and other foreign matter before we even know weather they are allergic to eggs or other ingredients in the vaccine.
I have immunised my children but as I became more informed I choose to wait till they were older and to not immunise against those diseases that are lower risk, for example chicken pox if they haven't had it by age 10 I will immunise. Chicken pox is normally irritating rather than dangerous in children but after puberty it is much serious.
I still think in most cases their is a benifit to imunisation but wait till you know if they have allergies neuralgical issues. Spread out the immunisations a little more than the current schedule and follow your intuition.

Iridescent - posted on 05/11/2010

http://www.drgrisanti.com/food_toxins.ht...
OMG! Look at all these toxins in foods! And products we use daily on our children! I'm CERTAIN that those of you refusing to vaccinate due to exposure to toxins also makes certain not to use ANY of the products listed here (or on any other site showing anything as a toxin, apparently including egg whites and yolks, as they're so deadly in healthy children according to a previous poster). And must avoid cell phones. And microwaves. And cars and cities and smog. Wow. Kids can't possibly be effected by ANY of those things, when they're exposed to them so much more than a simple vaccine.
Moving on...

Megan - posted on 05/11/2010

"So according to the CDC, a person who comes in contact with the polio virus has over a 99 (99.5-99.9) percent chance of developing nothing more than a common cold. So if everything stated this far is true, then how does one explain the polio epidemics the U.S. experienced back in the 1950’s and 60’s? And what caused the epidemics? Could the polio vaccine itself have been the culprit?
Within weeks of the release of Salk’s vaccine cases of polio started developing in the vaccinated.349 On June 23, 1955 the American Public Health Service announced that Salk’s vaccine had caused 149 confirmed cases of polio and six deaths.350 The vaccine was starting to create “satellite” polio.351 Satellite polio is where parents and family members would develop polio from being in contact with children who where recently vaccinated. Dr. Lloyd Florio, the Denver Medical Officer estimated that all of the 1,500 children vaccinated in Denver had become carriers.352 Dr. Florio stated, “we have created a group of carriers” and if vaccination continues “there will be another group and so the cycle will go on. It is very distressing.”353 The cases of satellite polio were often times the most severe form of polio and it was caused from the vaccine!354"

Its wonderful that you haven't had any problems but don't expect me to vaccinate my children when one of mine almost died two minutes after being injected with a Hib vaccine. The whooping cough vaccine(DPT) has been linked to SIDS. I would rather have my child get whooping cough, which I know how to treat, then get a vaccine for it and die.

Colleen - posted on 05/11/2010

My thought is you have to weight the pro's and con's and with more parents opting out that means there is higher risk of these disease coming into play. My recommendation is to spread some of them out. Not have them all in one day.. a couple week, month apart. It might be more inconvenient but I think its easier for their little bodies to handle. No medical evidence on that one, its just my gut feel and I usually go by my gut. I would always vaccinate my child unless he/she had a previous reaction(more than a mild fever or irritability)or if there is stong family history of such.

Megan - posted on 05/11/2010

"Children who die of a vaccine preventable disease are a tragedy, children who die from vaccines are a statistic"

Does that seem right to you? All children are precious and no one should be sacrificed for the "good of the whole".

Michele - posted on 05/11/2010

I have had 5 children all vaccinated with no problems. I suggest you are endagering children allowing them to be exposed to these killer diseases. Have you any idea how many children died or were crippled from polio before the vaccination was available? Have you been to a childrens ward and seen the cases of babies with whooping cough? It would horrify you! You and parents like you are bringing these killer diseases back into our society, I hope for your childrens sake they never contract any of these. FYI stay away from Adelaide there is a surgence of whopping cough at the moment.

Iridescent - posted on 05/11/2010

http://www.dhpe.org/infect/Chicken.html
"Although most people recover from chickenpox uneventfully or with a few minor scars, a small percentage suffer more serious complications. Each year in the United States, 4,000 to 9,000 persons are hospitalized with chickenpox, and up to 100 persons die. Those at highest risk for complications are newborns, persons with weakened immune systems, and adults. Although adults make up fewer than 5% of chickenpox cases in the United States, they account for half of the deaths from the disease."

Sonia, now you have heard of people who have died of chicken pox.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles...
Rates of death in the US, England, and Wales, yearly, due to chicken pox.

Megan - posted on 05/11/2010

"The first licensed vaccine for meningococcal infection in the U.S. was licensed in 1978.236 But is the vaccine effective? Actually, it is totally worthless, just like the rest of the vaccines. The vaccine is licensed for serogroups A, C, Y, and W-135.237 The rates of infection for serogroup A and W-135 are scarce.238 The rates of infection for serogroups C and Y are forty-five percent and two percent, respectively.239, 240 What about serogroup B? The vaccine offers absolutely no protection against serogroup B.241 Serogroup B is the most common type of infection among children less than two years of age, and the most common type of infection among adults age 18 to 34.242 The CDC even recommends against routine vaccination of civilians “because of its [Menomune®] relative ineffectiveness in children

Sonia - posted on 05/11/2010

Hello Moms!

I have been reading through all your comments, and am at a loss myself with what do to with the planning of our 2nd child. My first, 6 year old has been immunized full on up until her Kindergarten Booster. I couldnt fathom sticking 7 viruses into her body at once, which is what the vaccine is, DPT (3 viruses) Polio, MMR (3 viruses). We dont naturally catch 7 or even 3 diseases at once, and if we do catch a virus or disease, it goes through our 1st defence system, nose, mouth, skin, which is how our body is programmed to deal with them. When we inject the live or sometimes dead virus straight into the blood stream, we bypass this natural ability our body has for us. When you also take into consideration that our babes are starting these injections at 2 months, it should make us think a bit more about it. But I didnt, because I trusted my Dr, the Governement, FDA, etc.....Fortunately, my daughter doesnt have any serious issues from vaccinating, besides a weak immune system that we are naturally boosting. I am reading this book; Vaccines: Are They Really Safe and Effective? by Neil Z. Miller. It's a great read and is just expanding my knowledge and helping me make a decision the 2nd time around. Maybe not Immunizing, maybe just some..... I want to know if some of you even know what else is in the vaccines besides the virus? This isnt a secret, you can find this out too. There is aborted human fetus tissue (chicken pox), eggs, formaldehyde, aluminum, mercury and other preservatives too, makes for confusion about injecting these.......And that many Doctors have refused to immunize their children or themselves for this matter. See I get the guilt of "Do you want your child to die" if they catch any of these diseases. I havent heard of a death of chicken pox, I remember chicken pox parties (sick parents, LOL!) But we survived, many survived measels, mumps, Polio started declining naturally by 90% before the vaccine was created. Our hygiene and sanitation has improved immensely compared to when many of these diseases were on the rise. These are just the things everyone should consider before criticizing each other for their decision to vaccine or not vaccine. Im still on the fence, but wanted to pass on some of the information I have found out. What is on the rise is child obesity and diabetes, more than any disease, lets look into that, what are we feeding our children?

Natasha - posted on 05/11/2010

im one to realy on the good Lord for what i have studied it may lead to other things after our kids git older I pray God will gide me in the right path and keep my kids safe. faith in the Lord can do a lot more then vaccines.

Alison - posted on 05/11/2010

That is scary. I guess you just have to stay away from crowded areas and hang a little sign on your carrier saying "Please don't touch the baby". I know I'm scared of the bacterial menengitis and my children are all too young for that vaccine.

Celia - posted on 05/11/2010

All three of my children had reactions: high fevers, high pitched crying, hives that lasted thee weeks moving all over the body & 103 degrees on the hive. My third child was only partially vacinated. She has so many drug allergies she can rarely use antibiotics, only under certain conditions. Recently there was a discussion between MD's on a big network very similar to what we are having. One specialist said that the ingredients stay in your brain for life and he believed have a detrimental effect. It is a personal decision.

Nicole - posted on 05/11/2010

Some of the comments ask what is your concern if you are vacinating. I am for vacines however my concern is my baby is to young to recieve some of the vacinations and I have heard of an outbreak of whooping cough and measles in my area therefore my baby could be potentially at risk.

Alison - posted on 05/11/2010

Virginia,

I think that you have to do what's right for your family but to say that the vaccines are not useful is ridiculous. Vaccines have nearly eradicated many diseases in the United States. How often do you see whooping cough, measles, or mumps. Yes chicken may not be too bad (although it can cause death in extreme cases) but measles would kill many, many children every year. I have 3 children many nieces and nephews and not one of them ever had an issue with vaccinations except for a slight fever. I even had 2 children go through a full course of rabies vaccine.

Iridescent - posted on 05/11/2010

Can you not read? There are a few of us now that have posted ourselves or our children are immunocompromised, yet still receive the vaccines. They can not build antibodies though, which means you can give the same vaccine 1000x and still not be immune. So your unvaccinated child can and will make your vaccinated children very very ill.

As far as the Amish comment, are you freaking kidding me!?!? The only reason people assume they don't have autism is because they often do not seek help outside the community to treat it, so a secular diagnosis is not always given. Not only that, but they have more rare diseases than average in their society because there is so much inbreeding! Stating that as a fact was completely foolish and uneducated.
http://checkorphan.getreelhealth.com/gri...
One of MULTIPLE articles showing exactly that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish#Healt...
General article about Amish and their health problems.
http://autism.suite101.com/article.cfm/a...
"Commentators such as Mr. Olmsted point to the Amish of Lancaster county and argue that the Amish do not have autism and further argue that this is proof that vaccinations cause autism. Neither of these statements are true.

In the first place, it is true that some Amish sects forgo vaccination. However, many Amish communities fully adhere to vaccination schedules for their children. The Amish attempt to forsake modern conveniences that they believe have not improved our lives. Many members of the Amish community do not forsake common, sensible public health practices that protect their children from contagious disease."
"Commentators also argue that the rates of autism are low in the Amish community. Again, this is not true. Pediatricians who work with the Amish community report that members seek out treatment for their children for symptoms that resemble autism or can easily be diagnosed as a form of autism. Dr. Kevin Strauss is a pediatrician at the Clinic For Special Children in Lancaster County. Mr. Strauss states, "The idea that the Amish do not vaccinate their children is untrue." Dr. Strauss also states, "We see autistic behaviors along with seizure disorders or mental retardation or a genetic disorder, where the autism is part of a more complicated clinical spectrum.”

Dr. Stauss and Dr. D. Holmes Norton are the authors of a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine that studoes of Old Order Amish children. The authors have, " identified the genetic mutation that causes a previously unknown disorder, with seizures that progress to autism and retardation."

The Amish are members of a very closed community that cannot be taken as representative of the community at large. Many members marry inside of the group. As a result, members often carry a shared gene that does not resemble that of their fellow Americans. Common ailments among the Amish include Maple Syrup Urine Disease and Crigler-Najjar Syndrome. These disorders are found very rarely found in the general population.

Autism among the Amish is common. The autism vaccinate their children with rates that are comparable to the rate found in the general population. Vaccinations (or lack of vaccination) among the Amish do not tell us anything about the origins or causes of autism."

Know your facts before going off stating things as fact that are clearly not.

Colleen - posted on 05/11/2010

This thread which began respectful of others has become down right stupid & rude. Seems some of you would rather attack other moms & be sarcastic to get your points across...than have a passionate discussion about a very controversial topic.
I am out & expect to flag certain posts b/c YOU ARE NOT RESPECTFUL!!!

Gloria - posted on 05/11/2010

Our granddgtr., has had her immune shot's, and she's great!! But if you're not comfy w/it, then maybe it's better for your child to go through them.....--if you find something, that works, and is safer, do let us know!!!

Karna - posted on 05/11/2010

I don't get it.... how do MY unvaccinated CHILDREN (not shouted - just emphasized) give YOUR VACCINATED children these diseases? Either you give the vaccination because you believe it protects your child, or not. Why are you living in such fear then? Maybe you should then homeschool your children, to keep them away from the world. After all, maybe the teacher is carrying the germs, or the person passing your child in the shop... maybe you should seek your protection somewhere else then, cause clearly you are not trusting your vaccinations

Sana - posted on 05/11/2010

If you choose not to immunize..... your child will come up against things way before adulthood when they can make their choice.... I had to have my childrens immunizations up to date before they could enter school. I'm talking about the mmr polio diptheria etc shots... not the flu shot or H1N1 which my children do NOT get immunized for. I'm not sure about the procedure for entering school for those children who are not immunized though... I assumed they had to be immunized against certain diseases to enter public school.

Jessica - posted on 05/11/2010

Really? Where can I find the info saying your child cannot go to school if not vaccinated? And why would you not want your child to be near them? They should be safe if they are vaccinated..correct? Oh, That's right! It doesn't protect you from getting the disease..so why do you vaccinate again? If you don't trust in vaccinations then why bother getting them? My daughter goes to public school and is not vaccinated. I tell the school that I am against vaccinations and that is it. I am exempt.
Do you honestly believe that we are "immune" to these diseases if we all get the vaccinations? How is that even possible? Show me this info!

Jessica - posted on 05/11/2010

Love it Karna! Good for you! You can never go wrong when you put your children in His hands! May God keep your little ones safe and provide healing for your autistic little guy and bless you and your husband for your faith!

Melissa - posted on 05/11/2010

I vaccinate my son and will continue! I read someone say that if your child is vaccinated then what are you worried about... well just because they are vaccinated doesn't mean that they will not get it but they have a better chance of not contracting something. So for those of you would don't vaccinate you can still pass it to ANYONE even a vaccinated person so please help all of our children and selves by vaccinating to help prevent the spread!

Also, I believe a Dr should be paid for giving vaccines regardless of how much or from who!! Its their job do you not want to get paid for doing your job??

Jessica - posted on 05/11/2010

what problems? my son is 6 and had no problems with vaccines. Personally, if your child is going to school without vaccines, I do NOT want them near my child. That was a concern the other night on the tv. Parents who do not vaccine can not send their kids to school. If you home school, I guess do what you want.

Megan - posted on 05/11/2010

Wow, have any of you toting the mainstream party line ever looked into what is in a vaccine? Vaccines do not work, they do not create immunity to disease, if they did you would not need a booster.



Dr. Wakefields study showed a connection between the measles virus and autism, the kids developed severe GI problems, allowing the mercury in the vaccine to cross the blood brain barriers of the brain causing damage to the brain, he never said the vaccine itself was to blame. Dr. Wakefield is also not anti-vaccine. Maybe some of you should do more research than just reading the newspaper and googling government articles to back up statements. The study was retracted by the Lancet after bullying and under the table deals from big pharma. Most doctors are not a valid source for medical advise/info concerning vaccines, they are paid for every child they fully vaccinates.



Did you know that getting a regular flu shot makes you more likely to contract the swine flu? Mercury in vaccines was replaced with aluminum, another neurotoxin. A great book to read is How to Raise A Vaccine Free Child by Wendy Lydall, she goes through the so called science behind vaccines(Louis Pasteur was one of the biggest scientific frauds of all time), how to treat a child with a childhood disease and dispels many vaccine myths.



Every one loves to bring up polio, did you know that between 94 - 96% of the ppl will get polio and will never know it? The goal of eradicating the world of polio has long come and gone. It is only a matter of time before polio becomes virulent again. In 1992 the goal was set to eradicate polio in 2000? Vellore India, which had a 98% vaccination rate and 80% rate for all rural areas, still had a polio outbreak. Bottom line, they won't ever get rid of polio, b/c there is no such thing as herd immunity and you can't control nature. I don’t take childhood disease lightly, but I believe that vaccines are a bigger threat.



Viruses will decide when they are going to become virulent again and studies have shown that even if you are vaccinated you will get the disease and that those that are vaccinated get the disease much more severely than those that remain vaccine free(they have stronger immune systems) These are the toxins that are in vaccines, I don't mean to be rude, but how can anyone think that it is okay to inject someone with these substances, much less a baby. A 180 lb man gets the same vaccines as an 6 lb baby. Ppl with lots of antibodies can still get sick. The level of antibodies in the blood that is suppose to prevent a person from catching a disease is not determined by scientific investigation; it is just arbitrarily chosen. So what happens the next time we have a measles outbreak in a population that supposedly has herd immunity, the CDC will add more shots on top of what kids already get b/c "obviously" you need more shots to create immunity, or they will adjust the "correct age" that the shot should be given at.



aluminum hydroxide

aluminum phosphate

ammonium sulfate

amphotericin B

animal tissues: pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain,

dog kidney, monkey kidney,

chick embryo, chicken egg, duck egg

calf (bovine) serum

betapropiolactone

fetal bovine serum

formaldehyde

formalin

gelatin

glycerol

human diploid cells (originating from human aborted fetal tissue)

hydrolized gelatin

monosodium glutamate (MSG)

neomycin

neomycin sulfate

phenol red indicator

phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)

potassium diphosphate

potassium monophosphate

polymyxin B

polysorbate 20

polysorbate 80

porcine (pig) pancreatic hydrolysate of casein

residual MRC5 proteins

sorbitol

sucrose

thimerosal (mercury)

tri(n)butylphosphate,

VERO cells, a continuous line of monkey kidney cells

washed sheep red blood cells



What if your child did have a reaction to a vaccine, do you think it would be fair for him to suffer just b/c he is the minority of kids? That he doesn't matter b/c we are "saving" so many other children? Ask my boys what they think of that idea, I think they would tell you that they got the raw end of the deal. In the larger picture, I am just thankful that they are alive even with all of the daily struggles we have, b/c they could have lost their lives like so many others out there. The decision is yours but make it wisely, you can always wait to vaccinate but you can never take it our of their system after the damage is done. Outbreaks happen b/c you can not control nature, you can not control germs, not b/c we don’t vaccinate.



Your kids don't have to be vaccinated to go to school, you simply fill out an exemption form. My kids happened to be homeschooled and we have plenty of friends that know we don't vaccinate and they are fine with it. They know that vaccines aren't 100% but they accept the risks associated with the vaccines, I am not willing to do that, not after what my boys have been through. And assuming that the majority of kids in a classroom have been vaccinated, what exactly would my children be giving them, those children are protected, right?



Do you know why kids die of measles, b/c doctors don’t have a clue how to treat a child with a childhood disease. They treated with fever reducers and myriad of drugs, which interfere with the bodies complex immune system(i.e. a God given healing system). Children with a childhood disease need to be kept warm, hydrated, in bed so that their body can heal itself. Most of the diseases that are vaccinated for are malevolent disease, that means you can prevent them with having a high functioning immune system. This country eats loads of crap, scarfs down drugs like there candy, injects toxins into their system and then wonder why they get we have such a high rate of disease. Vaccine mess with the immune system in an unnatural way. Why is there such a high rate of autoimmune disease in this country? Are we simply trading childhood diseases, that if treated properly only help the immune system and create lifelong immunity, or are we accepting vaccines without a blink of an eye and causing our child a whole host of serious life debilitating disease later on in life?



Big Pharmaceutical companies, the FDA, CDC, and NIH are all corrupt and in bed together. The CDC's beloved Paul Offit created a rotavirus vaccine that has since been recalled because it is contaminated with a pig virus that causes cancer, conflict of interest much? And were is Mr. Offit and the millions he stole, anyway? That right there makes the CDC less than a creditable source of info. Bottom line, vaccines are not scientifically tested for safety and effectiveness and the effectiveness and side effects of vaccines are not monitored after they are introduced. How convenient for the large pharmaceutical companies, who are exempt from any liability for the damage that vaccines cause.



I am sorry this is so long, but ppl deserve to know what they are injecting into their kids. If ppl want to vaccinate, there should be safe vaccines free from toxic material. I myself don't believe in vaccines, they don't create immunity but ppl should be given a safe choice.

Leila - posted on 05/11/2010

The consequences for kids of having the diseases are much worse. But hardly anybody knows about that because those diseases are very rare or have been eliminated thanks to vaccinations. One good example is small pox. PCV flooring was linked to autism, too. Nobody is worried about that though...

Gaynor-Marie - posted on 05/11/2010

I have 6 children ranging in age from 22 months -17 yrs. While their are some risks with vaccination I believe for many children the benifits outway the risks. Having said that I was scared when I had my 3rd child Immunised and her little leg swelled up too twice it's normal size. this was 13yrs ago when most of the vaccines were live, I delayed her next immunisation and Payed to get the new a cellular. With my last 2 children I have delayed immunisation till they were a year old and followed a modefied scheduel like the finnish schedule only a year later.
I think if their is a family history of certain conditions perhaps you should not immunise. I think that for most children they are of benifit if you follow your common sense.

Sheenya - posted on 05/11/2010

Actually the reason that these countries still have a high mortality rate from diseases that we have mostly conquered, is because they do not have proper sanitation. The mortality rates from most of our now preventable diseases, had gone down long before immunizations came on the scene. This was due to our improved sanitation methods.
Immunizations are linked to several neurological problems. The insert that comes with the vials lists the side effects. Encephalopathy (brain disease) is one of them. Any parent can ask their doctor to see the insert at any time. There is also a national vacine injury compensation fund, that has been established to give remedy to those who have been injured by vacines. I mention this because someone else had posted that the link between autism and vacines had been disproven. It has not.
Bottom line is that nothing is safe for all children. Some can't eat peanuts, some can't eat strawberries. It's illogical to thing that ALL of them can handle one particular medication. I think it's irresponsible for the CDC to recommend anything be given to ALL children. These are very strong medications and diseases that are being injected into tiny infants. Each parent needs to do reasearch and make the decision for their own child. And if there is a family history of a severe reaction to an immunization they should be very, very cautious.

Sherry - posted on 05/11/2010

Yes, please do the research. There was a study done that supposedly linked innoculations with autism; this study was proven false, with the company that published it admitting they were wrong! Also, most vaccine reactions are temporary, and while they are not pleasant, they are very, very rarely serious.
The best option is research...you will likely find that the benefits of vaccination greatly outweigh the risks.

Karna - posted on 05/11/2010

I have 5 children. The eldest I vaccinated as I was told to. After his 18 month old vaccinations (which, due to circumstances, he only got at 22 months), he went down hill developmental wise...and eventually was diagnosed as being autistic. And yes, I know, the researcher who made the link admitted that it was wrong, but tell me: In my heart, I know, and I will swear to this - my child was normal to the day he got that vaccination. After that he developed autism. And no - he did not develop high fevers with the vaccinations, because I did pretreat with panado (which I don't believe in now anymore... because then you are actually working against your childs own immunity response... fever kills germs... that's what our bodies are designed to do. I only treat fevers above 38 degrees Celsius).... but the point is... he started changing after the vaccination! And that was the only thing in his life that was added... he was totally normal prior to this. And there are many, many mothers who will testify to the same.
Are we all hallusinating just because the research has been proven a dud? Can it really just be coincidences... worldwide? I think not.
I am not saying the MMR vaccinations caused autism... but it feels to me that it is like an ingredient in the process. Somewhere researchers are still missing something. And researchers can never fully research this topic, because nobody is prepared to give their babies up for research... it is only tested on adults.

So now the question is... vaccinate the others or not? After all - if one of my children gets any disease - I have 4 more who can get it, well, actually 3... the autistic one is safe. Or is he?

Why do we have to get tested for immunity when we immigrate? Even with an immunization certificate from your childhood... so there's already a gap.... immunization doesn't cause people to definitely be immune lifelong... so maybe you or your child's grandparents are carrying the virusses around? So don't get me wrong.... I am really struggling with my choice to vaccinate my children or not...

I cannot look at the four others, and honestly say I am prepared to take the chance... especially not since my own pedeatrician said he wouldn't immunisize his own children, but suggested that I do... how does that work?

oh, and just one more... my youngest was given the polio drops in the hospital (against my will), and then a pharmacist told me that they know (after 25 years) realized, that the drop version might cause polio in some kids... another research not done properly over long enough of a period...

really - I don't know how you can make this out to be such a black and white choice. I am still researching... and will follow up on that homeopathic one (thanx for that)...

Oh, and just a last thought to ponder on... All the research done in the world, is paid for. And my farther always says that you can prove anything with research if you want to, and if you get enough money to do so... Whos paying for the research... the company manufacturing the vaccinations, or the people against it?... that might have an effect on the outcome of the research

The only thing I do know, is that until I get insight into this, I am trusting God to keep my little ones safe. Nothing is impossible to Him... not even healing my autistic child. My husband and I pray every day that every virus, germ or bacteria coming into contact with any one of our family members will die instantly. And so far... for 3 years running... we have had no illnesses apart from the seasonal runny noses when the seasons change.
Praise God for that protection! Better than any vaccinations

Jessica - posted on 05/11/2010

Sure thing! I have a friend who chose to vaccinate and her son's brain swelled. I also have another friend and her son's lips and tongue swelled due to the H1N1 vaccination. Both were hosptalized due to the reaction. Both were found to be linked to vaccination. Yes it doesn't happen to everyone, but I know for sure that it won't be my child. I am not against any who choose to vaccinate. But really hate people who attack those of us who choose not to vaccinate. Those who choose not to vaccinate are more likely to research and educate themselves than those who vaccinate. Not saying that some vaccinated parents are not educated but the mass of people do not bother. I say this because we are going against the popular choice and therefore end up having to defend ourselves and our choices.

Jenny - posted on 05/11/2010

Um, can you be more specific about "affected" by vaccines? Would like to know exactly how they were affected.

Jessica - posted on 05/11/2010

Wow lots of heated discussions..Tiffany I agree with you. Good for you for living in this society but not OF this society and taking an unpopular walk. As for Sharon "She is very Christian" really?? Since she is not Christ, I don't think we can go on her choice. Well I am not very Christian, I am a Christ follower though and believe that if the Lord says to trust in Him, then that is what I am going to do.
Do you honestly believe that the Lord wanted us to get shot up with raw egg, animal parts, mercury and other contaminants?? I don't think so. Also, are the Amish dying off at an alarming rate?? They should under all of your theories since they do not vaccinate!

Also, do the research. You can still GET ALL the diseases you are vaccinated for! Every single one of them!! That's as bad as thinking it's ok to do heroin because you might not get addicted and die. Really people?
As you can probably tel I do not vaccinate and I do have a friend whose child almost died from a vaccination. It is a choice for a reason and that reason is: There is risk to your health! Otherwise there wouldn't be a choice. So not too many die, but I am not willing to risk the chance of losing my healthy child due to a vaccination that she doesn't really need. Tell that woman who was unfortunate enough to lose a child all this crap. I bet you wouldn't have the guts to fight with her. well Tiffany is a mom who chooses not to be one of those moms. Good for her.