Vaccines

Deb - posted on 11/26/2008

I have stretched my girls' shots out so they don't get so many so close together. The article about waiting until they're 2 is interesting. I believe in vaccinations, but definitely not so many so fast as they 'recommend'! This is a very personal choice, but you need to be educated.

Stacie - posted on 11/26/2008

Check out a site called chldhoodshots.com. Mary Tocco has been studying vaccines before anyone else was considering them as part of the problem.

Jackie - posted on 11/26/2008

I have done little research on the topic. Basically searched Jenny McCarthy and autisum. I think the vacciens are safe if they are green. There whole speach is go green with vaccine. We have alot more vacciens than we did as a kid. http://www.autismwebsite.com/practitione... This link is for doctors that are green vaccine givers. Find a doctor that will listen to you. Even if you have to drive a few hours to get to one. Its worth keeping your baby safe from other things including the posions in the vacciens. I have a 10 month old and didnt do any research till recently. He has had all his vaccines and is fine. I am starting to ask more questions now and not just trust the doctors because they have a degree. Hope this helps you.

Danielle - posted on 11/26/2008

hib, polio, tetnus, and DTaP i believe these are the most important. I believe that ppl have dedicated their lives to the studies of these vaccines and tested vigerously.. i vaccinated my daughter and i was vaccinated at birth as well as my two older brothers and sister. Nothing is wrong with us. Just research it and decide whats best for your daughter. Remember her immune system is poor right now thats why the ones at birth are so important, they cant handle the simplest of colds as we can, it could kill them, so these life threatening diseases could really take a toll on them and just might not make it through.

Devri - posted on 11/26/2008

I think every mother is going to do what they believe is best for her child and either way that they choose, they will have to live with the consequences if any at all. This argument could go on forever and everyone is going to say that the person that disagrees with them is uneducated when in reality that isn't true. Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they are wrong. I wish you all the best luck to you and your children! :-)

Kate - posted on 11/26/2008

Well, over the years I've heard many scare tactics used to persuade parents both ways and I am not fond of scare tactics. Try not to allow fear to guide your decision, let it be knowledge and wisdom - no matter WHICH way it leads you. Also don't fall into the trap of "well I was vaccinated and I'm OK". Vaccines are different today and really should be investigated.



We vaccinated our first 6 children with SOME vaccines but our youngest two we haven't - except for the tetanus. We've done a great deal of research and I would suggest that, even if you chose to vaccinate, you might want to look into the benefits delaying it until your baby's nervous system is a bit more mature.

Jen - posted on 11/26/2008

Hmm...signs of mercury poisoning and signs of autism the same? Okay, yet two very different problems...and i wouldnt be proud of giving my child either...plus, these children are diagnosed, not just the parent saying, hmmm....she has the signs of an autistic child.

Kristina - posted on 11/26/2008

Let's inject our babies with AIDS and heavy metals and then they won't have to worry about using condoms or screening blood before transfusions or sharing needles.

Kristina - posted on 11/26/2008

What countries are still affected by which diseases? How many illegal immigrants are in the country from those countries and what are the symptoms of those diseases???

Amy - posted on 11/26/2008

Everyone says that they trust the doctors to make their babies better if they do contract any of the diseases we are vaccinated for but they don't trust the doctors to prevent it. The body is a wonderful amazing thing for fighting stuff off but I feel that sometimes it need a little help. If your child gets a fever of 104 degrees are you going to let it go and see if the body will fight it off or are you going to help it. (That is what I thought). I hope to God that your children never catch anything life threatening.

Ann-Marie - posted on 11/26/2008

If you look up the signs of mercury poisioning and then look up the signs of autism they are EXACTLY the same.

Jen - posted on 11/26/2008

I am from Canada as well. Your body has its own makeup of natural immunities. When you do get sick, your body goes to work and fights it off. When you throw sythetic immunizations into the mix, then it is no longer your body fighting it off it is the synthetics in the shot. Why mess up a perfectly made system that God created? It is healthy to be able to fight off disease and sickness with your body's built in immunities. People never think that something bad is gonna happen when you play around and alter your body's makeup. You will, however, believe if your baby happens to be one of the one's that develops autism or ADHD shortly after there 6 month immunization shot. Just like a very close friend of mine has. And it is true that there is no proof of vaccinations causing autism, however there HAS been a link made and they are not saying that it does not cause autism. They are simply saying that not enough research has been done yet, and like anything that is new and synthetic-20 years down the line, they could say-"oh, yes, it does infact cause autism or cancer or ADD". Which they have done over and over again with different drugs. Its not worth the risk!! Anything that your child could possibly get-aside from tetnus-can be treated and cured by natural medicine or by your body itself. I am not trying to scare you, I am trying to inform you. Check out Dr. Mercola's ( a well known Doctor in the US) website -Mercola.com

Devri - posted on 11/26/2008

You're right there are, and how many of those immigrants come into this country legally?

Kristina - posted on 11/26/2008

there are REQUIREMENTS for vaccination of immigrants coming into this country.

User - posted on 11/26/2008

this is a important topic to me,sorry if i pst to much.

i read where someone said if an infant has it they ill die(whooping cough)

ihad it at six wks(befor thevacinated for it and when they thought it was imposiable for babies to catch) was in the hospital for a while.its dangerous,but i id live.i actualy had this and pnuemonia.our dr.s and technology and our own immune system are stroger than you think.just likesomeone wouldnt risk the catching something,i cant risk forcing the unnecisary.there is a reason i believe in my heart that with the rise of vaccines came the rise of things like autism.there brains are developing so rapdly they ant handle all that is being forced upon them. ayways i think ive said all i need to so i will leave it alone...

Ann-Marie - posted on 11/26/2008

I know lots of UNvaccinated adults that turned out fine as well never getting anything more then chicken pox. Whenever their is an outbreak of a disease 1/3 of the people that catch it ARE vaccinated against it, 1/3 partially vaccinated, and 1/3 unvaccinated which means they obviously don't work! Disease is GOOD for the body it makes you stronger. Vaccines supress your immune system causing cancer.

Devri - posted on 11/26/2008

Other countries don't immunize their children like we do and think of all the immigrants that are coming from other countries now days. Plus think of all the people who travel now days. How do you know if they were vaccinated before they went to another country? They could be carrying something when they return and you would have absolutely no idea! The diseases we vaccinate for are present in other countries and you can contract them without going there! The vaccines are necessary! You are not only risking your children, but the rest of our children as well. When your kid gets something from another kid who wasn't vaccinated are you going to blame yourself for not vaccinating your child or the other kids parent for not doing the same thing as you? It is YOUR decision but I just hope you are researching BOTH the positives and the "negatives" to vaccinations.

User - posted on 11/26/2008

one more thing,others on here fell like they have protected there child b/c they got vaccinated,i feel i have protected them from uneccisary side effects...they are so healthy.i will get there vaccinations later(once development slows)but if they were to get sick in between feel we r advanced in the medical field to take care of such desease and it is very unlikely they would get sick(and have placed my trust in my Lord.)

User - posted on 11/26/2008

if you are close to any one in the war,that goes over seas,i would strongly suggest it.at least ones like polio.

but otherwise there are to many storys of their child being perfectly fine untill they recieved shots...

Amy - posted on 11/26/2008

I realize that most of you live in the States and I am from Canada which has quite different practices when it comes to medicine and we screen for alot more than you do. But there is a reason life threatening diseases are almost completely eraticated around the world and that is do to vaccinations. And yes better health practises too, but why be sick when you don't have to be. There is no actual proof that vaccinations are causing autism and things like that so scaring moms into not vaccinating by saying that is not fair. We in Canada don't give vaccinations at birth but yes at 2 months 4 months, 6 months and so on. Good luck with your choices. I don't agree with them, but I do respect them

User - posted on 11/26/2008

this is something you realy need to research.im not against vaccines for everyone just you fastly developing little brains...

some are safer than others.my adice would be pick and choose the safer ones untill they are older.mmr is associated with autism and there are a couple with pretty serious side effects.i would google them all and then talk to you dr with written down questions.

htey do so many for such a little person.they give the same amount to a 8lber and then to a premie.im sure alot of things are rare,but not worth the risk.the flu is only one stan of flu(there are hundreds of strans of flu so you only get protection from one and my aunts,2 of them,have cuaght the flu from it...follow your heart and decide wich one is worse having the chance of catching something or having the serious effecs from the shot.

Kristina - posted on 11/26/2008

How would you feel if you're perfectly healthy baby/child suddenly reverts and either dies or ends up suffering from autism/brain damage for the rest of their life just because you decided to take your pedi's word for it and follow the vac schedule, when you could have prevented such a thing had you simply done some research all your own?? Autism and other mental ailments are alive and well today...when was the last time your neighbor got small pox or their baby had hepatitis b or your child died from chicken pox??

Jen - posted on 11/26/2008

Hi there! I also opted for no vaccines at birth and the only one my naturopath recommends is the tetnus shot. Every other vaccine can be treated if your baby happens to get the illness. I feel too uneasy with the ingredients that make up the vaccines themselves (you'd be discusted) as well as their unability to prove they don't cause so many of the illnesses in babies and toddlers today (ADHD, autism, and who knows what else). I also find it scary that now they have a vaccine for everything? What ever happened to letting your body fight off its own cold/flu? Basically, I have decided to only give my baby the tetnus shot. And he is very healthy!!

Heather - posted on 11/26/2008

i researched that and you can get exemption forms.... because they cant force you to give them vaccines and for several reasons one is religious but you can get exemptions even it if was just a personal choice.... Im not anti-vaccines i just feel that it might be safer to prolong it until she is a little older... before school comes around... but i also worry that if i wait she could get something that i could have protected her from.... i also dont like the idea of all the toxins that are in the vaccines.... i did take her to her check up today and allowed her to get the DTaP and HIB vaccines..... My pedirician of course tried to tell me that i needed to do teh rest but i want to do more research before i put anything else into my child.... not saying i wont give her the others but i wont until i can make the decision without wondering if i did was was best for our family.....

Amy - posted on 11/26/2008

I understand why some don't want their children vaccinated (one of my best friends is doinhg it). I just have to echo what everyone else said about research. All 3 of my children are healthy, intelligent, vaccinated children. You need to do what you feel is best for your family. I have always wondered about the public school system and kids that aren't vaccinated. My mom (who is a teacher) said they were cracking down this year in GA, but I'm not sure if they can dictate what you do with your children. Thoughts anyone???

Jami - posted on 11/26/2008

Thanks for asking this controversial questions...all of the information given by others has helped me: keep it coming...My husband and I are "those ppl" who have not given our 6 mo old any shots. It is such a hard issue, I continue to go back and forth. We may give him vaccinations when he is older,but we will continue researching and praying. thanks

Melinda - posted on 11/26/2008

My husband and I have chosen not to vaccinate at all, and I guarantee we have probably done more research on it that anyone who says that we are awful for not vaccinating. Most people vaccinate without educating themselves, and simply trust their doctors (who I find also usually know less about vaccines that I do, simply because they are very busy and they trust the CDC - big mistake). If you educate yourself, you will learn that many of the ingredients are toxic. You will learn that no vaccine is guaranteed to be effective, and that no vaccine has been studied long term to determine if it causes cancer. It says so right in the package inserts. And frankly, many of the diseases we are vaccinating for, are minor illnesses in otherwise healthy kids! Measles, for example, very rarely kills anyone, and if you are immune- compromised enough for measles to kill you, the vaccine will probably hurt you anyway. Do your research - most of these diseases were in decline on their own, before the introduction of vaccines, because of improved hygiene and sanitation practices. Also, the vaccine world is FULL of ethical violations - many of the doctors who patent vaccines and make money off them are also on the committees that approve them.

Something else to think about: Normal disease comes into the body through the nose and mouth and is attacked by the immune system to be fought off. This is a normal immune response. Vaccines bypass this normal defense and shock the system by introducing the disease directly to the bloodstream, where it is more difficult to fight off - all the studies prove that natural immunity is much stronger and more permanent than vaccine immunity.

Also, if people and their doctors believe vaccines are so great, ask them if they are up to date on all their shots, since the CDC admits that any immunity people do gain from shots wears off pretty quickly and most adults are unprotected.

Feel free to email me off group if interested in more...the facts are facts, and most of the CDC's facts are twisted (and most of their "studies" proving vaccine safety were funded by the pharmaceutical companies themselves). I don't see how any conscientious parent CAN vaccinate once they know all the nasty ingredients in the shots.

Melinda

Jaime - posted on 11/26/2008

We just had a whooping cough breakout occur in our state. It is across 4 counties right now - and if infants were to catch it, they would die.



The reason these diseases are now "phased out" as someone wrote it because of the vaccines. I just wouldn't risk it.



You can delay if you want, but by the time they are in school, I would have the up to date. There are cases of children dying of these phased out diseases, and a simple shot could have prevented it.



I know everyone is afraid of autism, but there has to be some genetic link. I know someone who has 3 kids, all with autism. Research has found genetic makeup for it. The vaccines these days are much safer than even 10 years ago. I think we are all fast to blame it on someone else - but all my children have been vaccinated as well as millions of others that all turned out fine.

Sabina - posted on 11/26/2008

My 2.5 year old son has received all his shots. We travel quite a bit and I feel better knowing that he is protected. Some of the diseases we vaccinate for are still out there in other parts of the world. And, that's not to say that you and your child will not come in contact with them right here at home. You never know what person standing next to you at the checkout at the store may have... Just think of the TB scare few years ago when that guy went to Italy and exposed everyone on the airplane to that particular strain of TB. Had a TB scare ourselves after a visit from a relative from out of country and upon doing research on TB in children, I was upset we don't vaccine for it anymore. Anyway, I would be extremely upset to find out later that I could have protected my child and that I made a choice not to. That's just me. Good luck and make sure you make a decision you can live with. :-)

Devri - posted on 11/26/2008

How will you feel if your child gets a disease/illness that was preventable by a vaccine and you didn't prevent it? You can't predict the future and I'm pretty sure any parent would want to die if they could have protected their child more. But like I said before, GOOD LUCK on what you choose. It's your child, your choice :-)

Sara - posted on 11/26/2008

All 3 of my daughters are healthy, non-vaccinated children. I have to agree with Ann-Marie, talk to immunologist if you want facts. Pediatricians have very little training on actual vaccines- they are mandated to give out the schedule.

Ann-Marie - posted on 11/26/2008

That is not true. Most of the diseases we vax for were 75% phased out by the time vaccines came around. The reason these disease are not prevelant today is due to better sanitation, handwashing, and nutrition. If you look at your own vaccine record you will see you were only vaccinated for a few things. Now they have added tons more that you were never vaccinated against and you are fine right?

Devri - posted on 11/26/2008

I have chosen to get my daughter all vaccines that the doctor suggests. I believe it's better to protect her than to live with the consequences of her getting something awful because I didn't get her vaccinated. Babies have been getting vaccines for years without a problem. The reason we don't have as many of the horrible illnesses around that we used to is because of vaccines. Your kids will have to have vaccines to get into school anyway because it not only protects her but it protects the kids she is around. You only hear about the bad experiences but have you taken into consideration all the people in this country who have healthy kids because they got vaccinated? GOOD LUCK on whatever decision YOU make for your child. :-)

Ann-Marie - posted on 11/26/2008

Opted out of all. Keep researching! The more you do the more you'll see they are not necessary and full of toxins and ingredients that should never be put in a human body.

Brenda - posted on 11/26/2008

Good Luck! It's such a hard decision either way. My oldest (10yo) is fully vac'd and the 1/2 a dose of Tylenol before and the other 1/2 after the vac seemed to help. Be prepared to catch some flack from the Dr and staff...or better yet wear a Tshirt that say's "Yes, I'm one of THOSE moms" LOL

Heather - posted on 11/26/2008

Thanks that was a great article..... I would like to try to avoid most vaccines until 2 y/o but I also think that the DTaP and Hib are important so I am still not sure if i want to just allow her to have those 2 or not I know for sure I will not allow her to have more than 2 today at her visit... but i am researching before i let them inject my daughter. Its a scary thing when you have to be concerned for another humans health.... if it were me I would care less but she is my world this is like the hardest decision i have had to make

Brenda - posted on 11/26/2008

I'll open this can of worms...LOL! Here is the schedule I'm following http://www.lewrockwell.com/miller/miller... Let me forewarn you...the Dr who wrote the article is a cardiologist not a pedi. Personally it adds to the validity of the info for me (no vac companies constantly harping on him) I've been flamed on other boards (cough • baby center • cough) but this is the schedule I'm standing by. Also I have a friend who has a chiropractor who can "work out" (for lack of a better term) the nasties from the vac I'll probably have her work on my little one when we do go for vac's (post on my wall and I can get you more info on that if you want me to)



I'll also add that my nearly 11 mo old was born at home and has never been touched by a Dr...I kinda like it that way :O) My reason for not vac'ing (or at least delaying) is that I personally know 6 people w/ children who have had a reaction resulting in some sort of neuro damage.