Vaccines

Monica - posted on 03/19/2013 ( 41 moms have responded )

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DON'T give your babies/chidren vaccines. When the doctor tells you how important it is to giving your baby vaccines before leaving the hospital don't believe them. DON'T ALLOW them to put fear into your mind telling you they can get diseases. The doctors at the hospitals work with the pharmaceutical companies for money and profit. THAT'S ALL IT IS! MOTHERS, PLEASE breast feed your babies for as long as you can even if you need to supplement with baby formula. Don't give them the enfamil or the other formulas sold in stores including babies r' us, as they all have fillers, chemical preservatives and corn syrup in them of which all are not good or healthy for your baby. Corn Syrup is like giving them sugar from the time they are delivered which leads to diabetes but they won't tell you this. allso corn syrup puts on weight as it is a bad carbohydrate.
MOTHERS, DO YOU WANT YOUR BABIES TO GET DIABETES?
These days vaccines have some bad stuff in them and word has it can cause AUTISM and other problems, when you already have a healthy baby...When they were releasing my baby from the hospital, one of the doctors did their best to put the fear of God in me about giving my baby so many vaccines. I refused! They spent about 45 minutes attempting to convince me, when I started crying they gave up. Don't do this to your BABY!!!
My baby is very healthy. I have bee breast feeding her for more than 5 months now and supplementing with some organic formula along with breast pumping. I did my research on formula and found Baby's Only formula for Toddlers (no corn syrup, no chemical preservatives). The other ingredients and the protein in this formula and the infant fornula is pretty much the same, but the infant fprmula has chemical preservatives in it, so this is why I have been giving her the Toddlers formula only as a supplement. If you don't need to supplement with formula, DON'T! Mother's it is very important to spend time with your baby, not watching TV with the baby just the baby and tell your baby you love him/her thru out the day and daily when you wake up in the morning and when putting the baby down for sleep at night. Smile at your baby all the time and don't yell at your baby for any reason. BE VERY UNDERSTANDING and PATIENT...and don't let anyone else yell at your baby even the father. Have your baby grow up to feel loved and cared about. Talk to your baby, ABSOLUTELY NO CUSSING AT, INFRONT OR AROUND THE BABY. Your BABY undertands what you are saying, but is not able to respond in words yet, but will someday say a word and surprise you. Hold your baby alot, this is very important and all you mothers that keep the baby in the car seat going into stores, make sure you hold your baby at home alot.
My baby is only in the car seat when I'm driving, otherwise my baby is held in my moby wrap and sleeps very well as I walk thru the store or anywhere else.
Don't drink, smoke or do drugs of any kind while pregnant ot nursing. Give your baby a healthy start at life!
Encourage your baby at all times, don't be negative to your baby at any time and have the child grow up that way.
I HOPE THE MOTHERS THAT NEED TO HEAR THIS, READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY AND DO.
Love & Light, God Bless all of your babies and you...

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Alexis - posted on 03/22/2013

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You've got to be a first time mom, so I'll give you a pass on the sanctimony. You are wrong about a great deal of things, the most dangerous of which is preaching that vaccines aren't safe and cause autism. Please, PLEASE read Seth Mnookin's Panic Virus. I have a son with autism. I have studied this issue up one side and down the other.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/20/2013

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So here is the thing. Your friends children are ok because everyone else around them vaccinates. They are not currently exposed to the awful diseases that vaccines protect against because they are under control DUE to vaccinations. They call this herd immunity. What happens when all the people that do not vaccinate, get exposed to these diseases and start passing them around creating plagues? What then? I am sure I will be very happy my children are protected.

Some mothers CAN'T breastfeed, so guess what? Formula is a great alternative.

I love that you can tell other mothers how to be, and your child is only 5 months old and this is your first. Just wait.

Jodi - posted on 03/20/2013

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"they got to him."

LOL, you make it sound like a conspiracy theory.....

Edited to add: That's great that you want to offer advice.....but this was a sanctimonious lecture from a pedestal of 5 months of parenthood. Can you see the problem here? There is a HUGE difference between advice and a lecture.

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I'm sorry, but uninformed anti-vaccers are more than half of the reason why I had to spend the first two years of my daughter's life indoors, going nowhere in public and having nobody but my husband and our parents over the threshold because of the decrease in herd immunity. This was the instruction from several different doctors. If you don't understand the term 'herd immunity' go and look it up. Understand what your choice means for other children and other families other than your own.

Some people you know who had more than one kid told you so it must be true? Really? Do some research. Proper research, not just those crazy anti-vaccer propaganda/emotional blackmail websites.

Andrew Wakefield, the doctor who published the study linking vaccines (for the MMR specifically) with autism has been STRUCK OFF and the study rescinded for misleading the public with results that have been proven to be nothing but quackery. Word of mouth between misinformed parents who have no wish to educate themselves continues to propagate this myth that vaccines cause autism.

Some kids who are vaccinated get autism. Correlation does not imply causation. Some kids watch TV and get autism. Some kids fart in the bath and get autism. No proven connection.

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That's a heck of a sermon you just preached there, Monica. Personally, when I need advice, as we all sometimes do, I prefer to listen to things that are a little less sanctimonious and a little more clued up with research from balanced sources that don't run entirely on emotive propaganda.

It's great that you're having a wonderful time with your first baby, that she's healthy and that you're both really happy.

I'm sure you'll have a lot of great experience to share with other mothers eventually. I merely suggest that you try to climb down from your pedestal before you do.

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Lily - posted on 03/22/2013

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I have five children, none of them vaccinated, and they are very healthy. I had all of them at home, including unexpected twins. I breastfed my first three until they were 15 months and had to supplement my twins with soy formula after 4 months of breastfeeding. My family is vegetarian, so I gave them "Earth's Best Organic Soy Formula". Assuming it has no GMOs since it is organic, I recently found out that all formulas organic or not has a fungicide called cupric sulfate or copper sulfate. (http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/ext...) My pediatrician fully supports my decision not to vaccinate. Give thanks.

Jodi - posted on 03/22/2013

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Ooh, I can post links too!! This is actually a really informative article. I welcome you to read it. Although, I suspect if you've done your research, you would already have read it and understood and dismissed all of the issues they have addressed.

http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/search...

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There will always be controversy as long as people are determined to make conspiracy theories out of the most ridiculous things.

Enna - posted on 03/22/2013

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This is the dumbest post I've seen on here. But I guess I understand now why my kids are so dumb, autistic, and diabetic. Because of the big conspiracy of the health care providers.

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Honey, no matter what you want your kids to learn or not, they WILL eventually learn cuss words in the playground or elsewhere. By all means decide to set a good example in this by not tolerating bad language in your own home, but really, it's not something to lecture other moms about, nor think that you're sitting pretty because your kids won't hear these words from you.

Monica - posted on 03/22/2013

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not saying that at all, but it is best to take precautions. do you want to teach your kids to cuss. I don't want to teach mine this. i figure the will learn it soon enough else where, not from me, so I'm making every effort to not cuss infront of the baby and make it a habbit not to anyway...

Danielle - posted on 03/22/2013

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my kids are vaccinated and were formula babies...they also heard me yell the f word when I smashed my toe yesterday. so according to your "logic" they will be slow, autistic and diabetic kids.cursing everywhere. so glad I read this in time to save my kids...lol. have you slept much these past five months you were being the words best mother?

Jodi - posted on 03/22/2013

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Oh, and feel free to come back here in about 15-16 years and tell us how that sanctimonious mummy thing went for you.

Jodi - posted on 03/22/2013

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" alot of the babies who have been given vaccines do not look very alert."

So nearly 80% of the population is not alert. Honestly?

Obviously you have not met too many vaccinated children.

Just to let you know, you are still coming across as just a touch sanctimonious, like YOUR choices are better than everyone else's.

If you are as bright as you claim you are, read through your posts from the perspective of a stranger, analyse the language, and tell me you don't think your baby is so much smarter, better, healthier than everyone else's because, well, your choices are clearly just totally right and you feel SOOOOO sorry for those poor babies whose mothers don't make the same choices you have.

Monica - posted on 03/22/2013

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yes, thank you, I know all of this...unfortunatley some vaccines have other ingredients or substances in them that is not good for babies/children/adults even. before leaving the hospital the doctors told me about having my baby take some vaccines. when I refused another doctor sat there and went on for about 45 minutes attempting to convince me to give my healthy premie baby vaccines when my baby was only 2 weeks leaving the hospital, no immune system buit up yet. I have been a health practitioner and consultant for more than 20 years and having a great stromg immune system is about the best one can do for one self and in my opinion have a good healthy diet and maintenance. there are other ways of managing or fighting off disease and sometimes the best vaccine is to go the the illness and come out from it. going the holistic approach, drinking medicinal herb teas, taking homeopathic remedies (which is like take some meds onl;y with out side effects and it is gentle to the body system, where meds shock the body system, including vaccines) daily supplements if needed, and other approaches of healing. although at times east meets west medicine is needed. also vaccines these days dumb down babies/children even adults. anyway everyone needs to do their own research to see how they believe...I came on strong about the vaccines as they are not good to give the babies/children these days. alot of the babies who have been given vaccines do not look very alert. I am sad for them...since my baby has not gotten any vaccine, my baby is very alert and people comment to me how alert and responsive she is at such a young age. we truely believe some of the reason is not giving vaccines, however I took very good care of myself during pregnancy at healthy to give my baby a good chance of health at life and eating healthy while breastfeeding. No smoking, drinking or drugs of which I have not done and don't do anyway. I am sure all this has helped...:)

Nancy - posted on 03/21/2013

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Vaccines are a modified live virus that is injected so that the immune system is able to build up an immunity and to recognize it and fight off the disease.It's new to me that any doctor would insist a newborn be vaccinated before leaving the hospital.That surprises me.My grandson just turned three and that was never suggested.I suppose it could be something new. Neither of my kids were given vaccines before they left either. I'm just really amazed. There's a lot to be said about holistic healing and the like, to each his own.What works for some, doesn't work for others.Everybody finds their own way of doing things and these suggestions some may want to try. I've raised my kids and what worked for me may not work for others.I like to read about other things because now I'm doing most of the raising of my grandson and I know things have changed.I wish I had known about the formula when he was still taking formula because he had a lot of problems with gerd. It may have helped.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/21/2013

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Well, you are also responding defensively. What do you expect? And I thought my last post was encouraging...lol.

Monica - posted on 03/21/2013

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wow you are responding very defensively. if you don't like what I said, just ignore it and move on.

Monica - posted on 03/21/2013

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that's ok, comment...I'm not just not going to sit and argue with people about this. I've gotten some very good advice from mothers in my circle and I am passing some of that on. take it or leave it. we call it holistic parenting...

Monica - posted on 03/21/2013

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you are incorrect with your assumption. it was just mean't for some extra and suggestion even if it came across a little strong.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/21/2013

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Also, one more thing. This site can be awesome. Wonderful women on here giving and receiving great advice. But there will be disagreements. There will be controversy. There will be negatives with all the positives. Try to understand why this got under others skin, and maybe you will see why you received the reaction you have. Hope you enjoy this site, but know that posts like this are controversial. Which of course we don't mind, but we will comment.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/21/2013

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This is an open forum. Anything you post on here is open to everyone. This was not "advice" this was a lecture. This was telling everyone else what they are or could be doing wrong. I am just pointing out the obvious.

Jodi - posted on 03/21/2013

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Monica, if you want to give advice, feel free to respond to the questions of mothers who ARE asking. But just be aware that your way is not necessarily the right way for everyone, it is merely opinion. And it is all in the delivery, of which yours was not particularly tactful. Now that people have disagreed with you, it appears you are not partial to listening to what others have to say about any of it. So clearly, your way or the highway......

Monica - posted on 03/20/2013

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WOW! got you going, didn't even mean to...we have done our research and just because this doctor was recended does not mean he was wrong, it could just mean they got to him.
I did not sign up to argue with you or anyone here, just offering some advice. if you don't like what I wrote, just ignore it, but I am not goin to waste any more of my time arguing with you.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 03/20/2013

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Well, usually these kinds of rants come from mothers with sick kids who blame the vaccines. So really, do you have any hardcore foundation for believing all of this without hardcore proof?

Jodi - posted on 03/20/2013

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"I have personally been told, read and heard from different sources including moms with 3 or more children that have not given their babies/vaccines and they say the babies are healthy and doing great and one of the vaccines was given to babies/children after the epidemic was at an end or over."

Well, now you can say you also heard from a mum that she has 4 children, all fully vaccinated, and all four are also healthy and doing great. So far, one has even reached adulthood with no health issues!!!! Who knew, right?

Jenn - posted on 03/20/2013

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Experience as a mother or just life experience? There is a big difference. Things are very different from years ago and there are so many new illnesses. Good luck.

Monica - posted on 03/20/2013

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Oh I forgot to say, not my first time with a baby/children, lots of experience as I am an older mother.

Monica - posted on 03/20/2013

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yeah, I came across a little strong, sorry...however I do stand by what I said. I have personally been told, read and heard from different sources including moms with 3 or more children that have not given their babies/vaccines and they say the babies are healthy and doing great and one of the vaccines was given to babies/children after the epidemic was at an end or over.
The mothers I associate with where I am at are the ones who recommended to me some of the behavior I mentioned already. My baby is a happy baby. I'm sure your babies are happy to...
My husband told me a friend of his gave his newborn vaccines before leaving the hospital and watched his baby struggle for 3 days afterwards and regreted letting the doctors give the vaccines. In my opinion there is never to much love to give to your baby.
Even if the government pays for the vaccines, the money is still coming from somewhere, the taxpayers. T least in the US doctors and pharmaceutical companies have been working together for along time. I just didn't know how much fear was instilled to mothers in the hospital until I was there. What I said was only mean't for mother's who needed to hear, not the mothers already doing. I did not mean to come on like I am on a pedastal, certainly am not...
Anyway everyone have a great day!

Jenn - posted on 03/20/2013

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Ok, so you're a first time mom, right??? I know you mean well but you are so misinformed..on so many levels...The ingredient that is thought to cause autism is called "thimerasol". There are vaccines that do not have this ingredient added. Ever see the ad for RSV? Holding your baby all the time is not so good. Please do a little more research..for your baby's sake.

Jodi - posted on 03/20/2013

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"The doctors at the hospitals work with the pharmaceutical companies for money and profit. THAT'S ALL IT IS! "
Where I live, the government pays for the vaccines. Doctors receive nothing. You are really misinformed. Not sure where you get your information from, but the tinfoil is in Aisle 4.
Your baby is 5 months? You only have one? Good luck sitting up on that pedestal you are preaching from :)

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