Want to open up another can? Circumcision!

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Did you have your sons circumcised or not? If so, why? If not, why not? Discuss. This is mainly an American issue, I know. I've lived in Europe and it did affect my thinking on the topic.

I did NOT have my son circumcised for 3 reasons:

"To look like Dad" is not a compelling reason to me. To look like everyone else is also not valid anymore, in my area it's about 50/50.

There is no medical reason for routinely doing it. The reasons that people usually use are either old wives tales or are extremely rare.

I've seen it done several times and there is no way I could live with myself for doing that to an infant unless there was a life or death good reason for it.

I do think valid reasons exist, as in religious reasons or individual issues that had to be addressed. I just wondered what everyone else's experience had been. I'd also love to hear from Europeans as to what your take on this issue is.

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Jessica - posted on 06/02/2009

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Quoting Rachel:



Quoting Jessica:

I have two boys and they are both circumcised. To be completely honest I did it because that is what I've always known to be done. I don't know if I would compare it to female circumcision, since females are circumcised to take away sexual pleasure and to make them more obedient to their husbands.
I'm not ignorant I know that their is no serious reason, besides medical to have it done but I did it no the less. My sons are both fine and they've never had any problems.





while that may be true with circumcision taking away sexual pleasure for a little girl...did it ever occur to you that when a little boy is circumcised it does the same thing???? while yes it exposes the tip of the penis which is also very sensitive...the skin that they take away is in some men more sensitive? 






 






My son is 14 months, and uncircumcised! My husband is circumcised but we choose not to do it regardless of the questions our son/s may ask as to why they look different






 






What gives me the right to play god? If god gave the foreskin to little boys then there has to be a reason that it is there-we may not fully understand what it is intended to do...and we may never know because there are so few uncircumsised men around!  Maybe it is not as benificial in our modern world, but think back to the days of loin cloths...Perhaps the foreskin serves as a protection for them? I dont personally know, but I do know that I chose not to play god with my childs reproductive organs... and i will make the same choice when my second son is born in october....






 






thats what is right for me...everyone has different views and different opinions but besides the fact of the foreskin being given to our sons by a great design, there is no anastetic or pain releif given to the infant at the time of circumcision...idk about you but i wouldnt want them cutting skin off of my finger or anywhere else without at least a local anastetic!






I'm not playing God, but since you bring it up, God did make it law in the old testament for babies to be circumcised that is why many devout Jewish still have a cermony where the family is present for the occasion.



 



Also I am mom which makes me decision maker for my son until he is able to do so for himself.  I don't attack women who get their infants ears peirced or any mother for that fact.  I was given my son and as his mother I am responsible for him alone.  I have not said one bad thing about the choice not to circumcise because that is what it is a choice.  Nobody with an uncircumcised son has had to defend themselves on this post so why should I have to when its my child!?!



 



I mentioned earlier that I respect everyone's decision so I don't understand why it is so hard for others to do the same.  I don't care if you don't agree with me, you don't have to live with me.   

Rebecca - posted on 06/07/2009

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Sooo..here's my story. Read if you like, and offer advice if you like (and can behave with it). My son is now 20 months old. He is uncircumcised at this time. When I was pregnant, I read books, visited parents.com, talked to the doctors, etc about this issue. Me and my husband chose to have it done. We had several reasons, some were medical and some were not. The doctors told us that boys were at higher risk for urinary tract infections and some stds if they were not, but that it is only SLIGHTY higher. The men in my family range from not circ'd to circ'd. I even have a nephew who was improperly circ'd and just had to have it redone because the skin grew over. He's 18. They had to "debris" his penis to fix it! This (in non-medical-ese lol) means they had to scrape skin off his entire penis! Let's just say he was out of school for almost two weeks and even then had to take it very easy! He is fine now thankfully. SO needless to say, we had a lot of different points, but we decided that as informed adults, we would have our son circumcised. Well, a few days after my son was born, they asked if we wanted him to be circumcised. We said yes. A few hours later, the dr said that he wanted to talk to us in person first because my son's penis "was so short, he might nick the testicles if he performed the operation"!!! Needless to say, anyone that may nick my son's testicles, had no reason to be touching my son!!! SO we told him we would talk to his pediatrician and have them refer us to someone more practiced. When we went for my son's first checkup, they heard a heart murmur. Turns out, he has VSD, which means he has a hole in his heart. They advised us to wait till he was a year old to do the circumcision. The surgeon our pediatrician sent us to when he was a year old wouldn't do the operation because he has a heart defect, and she said it could cause problems with his heart. I asked the cardiologist about this at our next visit, and she said it wouldn't have caused problems, and sent a formal letter to our pediatrician and the surgeon. When we went back to the pediatrician a few months later, she said she could refer us to a urologist who WOULD do it. We set a date for a few months from then and were on our way. THEN we lost our insurance about 3 weeks before the circumcision would have been done. So to this day, I have been caring for an uncirc'd little boy, and it's not really all that different than I imagine it would be otherwise. I'm still kinda skittish about not having it done. UTI's are very, very painful, and I just don't know how my son would handle it. Plus right now, he can't tell me it hurts down there. How would I know if that's what was bothering him? That same principal applies if he does get circ'd though..So to this day it has not been done, but we do wish for it to be done, for several reasons that the moms that did have it done have mentioned.

Also, I have read two pages of replies, and it seems like the circumcision-supporting moms have been getting kinda railroaded! Please try to remember that every parent is their child's guardian, and it is not your place to judge them. We have to protect them and guide them by what WE think is best. If the parent doesn't care about their child, or want what was best for them, do you really think they would be on "Circle of Moms" trying to communicate and swap stories and advice? Not one of us is perfect. We try to do the best with what we are presented with.

In closing, you people can hate me, send dirty responses, say I want to "mutilate and torture" my son all you want, but it will do no good. I know I love my son no matter what, and he knows it too..and always will! And I suggest before posting some of the things that come into your head, re-read what you wrote and see how childish you sound. We should be setting GOOD examples for our children!! I'm done ranting now, and I support everyone for the choices you made for your children! May you all live happy and healthy!!! ^_^

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Yep, and if you cut off your girl's breasts at birth she won't have to deal with breast cancer, mastitis, clogged ducts, cysts, etc.



Concerning STDs, can we say safe sex? And it hasn't even been conclusively proven.



The foreskin isn't even retractible in the first year. No bacteria getting under there. Infection occurs when people don't understand the proper care of a normal penis, and end up forcibly retracting it.



Has anyone considered that a woman has just as much possibility of bacteria, yeast infection, smelliness, etc. because of the folds and the warm, moist environment down there? Why don't we cut off a girl's labia in the US to prevent that? Girls can accumulate bacteria, sweat, dead skin cells and mucus in her folds as well if she is not taught to clean herself properly. But we do that don't we?



Again, there are no proven benefits of circumcision. If that were true, wouldn't all the men in the world, save Muslims, Jews, and the men in the US who are cut, be running en masse to be circumcised? Hmmm? And some how they manage to eek out normal healthy lives in that respect.

Kimberly - posted on 06/02/2009

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I must say that you people who think that this is mutilating your child get a grip... I work for a doctor, I can't even begin to tell you how many boys and men that I have seen with serous infections and have had no choice, but to have a this done when they are olded. And YES I did have both of my boys circumcised and would do it again. To say this is mutilation or torture you people have no clue, this is not done around a camp fire with a dull pocket knife.......... This is done by numbing the area first. When my boys had this done they felt nothing did not cry at all and felt no discomfort.......

FredSusan - posted on 06/02/2009

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But you have to realize that it is our opinion that it is not torture and we did it for reasons that we find very valid. Why can't you respect our opinion just like we respect yours. We're not calling you names for having your opinion and making the decision that you made. Be a little more respectful of others, that's all we're saying.

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Carmen - posted on 11/08/2014

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I worked in a day care for almost 2 years and most all of the boys had circumcisions. Of all my friends who have had boys the vast majority got them circed. I asked several older women their opinions when my son was born and all said "do it". I think the anti circ people lie to people about what goes on during the procedure.

Penny - posted on 07/02/2009

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I did circumcise my son for hygene reasons it is easier to take care of and my husband wasn't and he insisted on it. i know some men who wasn't and wished they were.

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Quoting Jennifer:

I did with my 1st son, who was born when I was 19. I just didn't know what else to do since "everyone was doing it". I am now pregnant with son #2, and will NOT be doing it. There is no reason that I can find that makes any sense to have this done. I am glad to be more educated in my older and wiser years!


I agree.  It is so much better to have done a little more growing up!  Even though it put a cramp in my plan of having 6 kids before I was 40 (I made it to 4) I know it was good to start later.  I had my first when I was 28, which might have been a little excessively old to be starting!  I have a friend who had 2 in her late teens and then had another one at 32.  She definitely said she felt more ready and even enjoyed it more doing it later.

Heather - posted on 07/02/2009

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I had my son circumcised not for religious reasons, but it's just easier to keep clean and free from infection.

Kate - posted on 07/02/2009

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Quoting Amanda:

If I have a boy he will be snipped as soon as they can do it. 1) it looks a hell of a lot better
2) the risk of yeast infection is lower
3)lots of boys who are not cut end up with problems later on and end up getting circumcised as a result.
4)i dont want my kid being the laughing stock of the locker room because his penis looks wrong.
5)uncircumcised boys are harder to clean
6)even though some hippies dispute this fact, they are at a higher risk of std


1) That's your opinion.



2) No, it isn't...the most sensitive tissue in his body is constantly exposed if he is circumcised.



3) More boys who ARE cut end up with problems, if they cut too little or too much.  About half the boys I know who are circumcised had infections (ongoing ones) or other issues, including bleeding, pus, sores, etc.



4) You're REALLY going to make a parenting decision based on what other little boys think??



5) No, they're not...you leave them alone and they'll clean themselves.  The skin is not meant to retract and until it does the penis is self-cleaning.  Do you clean up inside your little girl's vagina?  It's the same idea.



6) There is NOT.  These studies have been disproven, I've read the original studies and the follow up ones.  Again, if circumcised the most sensitive tissue is exposed all the time, making it MORE likely to get an STD is circumcised.



Do some research, yours is sorely outdated.

Kate - posted on 07/02/2009

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I will not circumcise my son (due in 3 weeks). It's his body, his penis, and there are NO valid medical reasons for doing so to an infant. Most "medical reasons" are just old wives' tales or outright lies. And like you said, "looking like dad" or "not getting made fun of in the locker room" are NOT reasons. My DH doesn't care at all and agrees with me it's better not to. As for getting made fun of...everyone will eventually get teased for something, are we going to make all our parenting/life decisions based on what other people will think or say?!

Kate - posted on 07/02/2009

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I will not circumcise my son (due in 3 weeks). It's his body, his penis, and there are NO valid medical reasons for doing so to an infant. Most "medical reasons" are just old wives' tales or outright lies. And like you said, "looking like dad" or "not getting made fun of in the locker room" are NOT reasons. My DH doesn't care at all and agrees with me it's better not to. As for getting made fun of...everyone will eventually get teased for something, are we going to make all our parenting/life decisions based on what other people will think or say?!

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Quoting Jennifer:

I did with my 1st son, who was born when I was 19. I just didn't know what else to do since "everyone was doing it". I am now pregnant with son #2, and will NOT be doing it. There is no reason that I can find that makes any sense to have this done. I am glad to be more educated in my older and wiser years!


I agree.  It is so much better to have done a little more growing up!  Even though it put a cramp in my plan of having 6 kids before I was 40 (I made it to 4) I know it was good to start later.  I had my first when I was 28, which might have been a little excessively old to be starting!  I have a friend who had 2 in her late teens and then had another one at 32.  She definitely said she felt more ready and even enjoyed it more doing it later.

Christina - posted on 07/01/2009

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I have had both of my sons circumcised, but now they have problems with adhesions which I guess is pretty common with cicumcisions. I wish I knew about this complication before I had them done, it would have made a difference with my decision.

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When i was carrying my son I did alot of research on the debate to circumcised or not to. In Canada to have your son circumcised at the hospital it cost up to $500.

I talked it over with my doctor and she informed me that either way will be fine but there is no truth to it being healthier if they are done. If they are not circumcised us moms will have to teach our boys how to clean properly that is all.

I did not have my son done. Did not see the point of inflecting such pain on an infant when it isn't necessary.

I was in the hospital when my daughter got her wisdom teeth pulled and there was this 3 week old baby boy in pain because he was circumcised and it got infected.

Also did you know that that little piece of skin holds 250,000 sex cells. It has been proven that men that are not circumcised enjoy the sexually experience more then those men who are circumcised.

So when some of use compare female circumcisum to male it is the same thing they both lose .

Rita - posted on 06/17/2009

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I had my son circumcised before we left the hospital when he was born. The doctor & my Mom said it was better on the child at this time. I have 4 brothers, all older than me. Only one of them are not circumcised & sometimes he regrets it. I personally just think it is cleaner for him & his partner in his life.

Melanie - posted on 06/16/2009

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Ridiculous!!! It is like posting a question about abortion. I am sure whomever started this is real proud. We all have our own opinions and that is that.

Rhionna - posted on 06/16/2009

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I live in the UK and may have to have my son circumcised as his foreskin doesn't retract properly, although I'm waiting til he reaches the age of 6 which is when my GP has said he'll check as it might change in time!

Darcy - posted on 06/16/2009

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I had my son circumcised...it was horrible!!! when we found out we were having a boy...My husband and I began discussing what we were to do. After long debates we came to the decision to go ahead with it. It was heart-breaking to me..and after wards when i had to change his diaper i would cry...and so would he. We spent the whole day in the recliner, cuddling and crying. Everything healed fine and now it looks great! but i don't think i could do it again. If our son ends up with a brother, i might have to explain why their "pee pee's" look different.

Amanda - posted on 06/15/2009

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Quoting LaCi:



Quoting Bridget :




Quoting Melissa:





Quoting Samantha:






Quoting Melissa:

im with Emily would never torture my child in that way it sickens me. anyway who does is screwed in the head.












Melissa, I understand that you wouldn't want you child circumcised but to say that anybody that does get their son circumcised is screwed in the head is kind of rude.  You have you reasons for not getting doing the circumcision just like I had my reasons for getting my son circumcised.  You can't go around insulting people though just because they don't agree with your thinking.















 










why not theres some shocking excuses for motehrs on thsi site who insult me for not agreeing with my methods and even make up crap about me so i figure if you can beat em join em. i guess im just in shock that it can be such a routine and common thing in the US. im australia its most defiantely not. you'd have to go and see a specialist before they'd consider it i would think its actually un usual to see someone circumsized. i dont know i think the US just have to do certain things because they seem to think they are better then everyone else. they are some fantastic peolpe there but some of the ways of thinking are disturbing.












You yourself is the only sorry excuse for a mom... Go back read your posts lady. Such a mature post by the way how do you hold your maturity standards so high aww they did  it now I will that will show them whatever..By the way alot of moms here are from the U.S not the country Id be bashing  if I were you. Itd be like myself saying you make all Australians look stupid but you dont you make yourself look stupid I see alot of Australian moms here are great... It is so ignorant to diss a country as whole.









 I thought this was funny. But I'm from the US,  and i totally agree. BASH AWAY.  Maybe one day I'll leave this godforsaken country. 





and go back to transylvania

Rae - posted on 06/15/2009

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I did not want my sons circumcised, and nor are they. I think its very cruel to chop bits off a baby just because you can, there arent a lot of reasons that are valid to perform this operation, unless the man wants it done. But according to my son's Urologist I should let them mutilate his penis, my 7mth old boy has renal problems and frequent UTI's which are in turn dangerous for his kidney that "works" the Dr's reckon that a circumcision will help prevent UTI's, which it might, but the causes isnt dirty foreskins its more to do with his congenital Vesicoureteral reflux (VUR)

Leigh - posted on 06/15/2009

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I'm from a polynesian background. We have our son's cir'd when they turn 12/13. It's part of our culture of our boys maturing & becoming men. My father had it done in a very traditional method, they carve out the eye of a coconut then pull the penis through the eye & twist. That is no longer practised, but he told me his 'manhood story', which was confirmed by many many of my male relations. These days when the ceremony is performed (now they use mostly the what has been referred to as the rot off method) they boys from all the villages spend about 3-4 hours at the beach, swimming in salt water, after a week they're ok.

I have 3 sons but do not reside on my island, so have not had them participate. Now my boys are maturing, I have left the choice to them.

My husband is from the same culture & wants them to be done, because he tells me that their sex lives will be better, it looks nicer, it's easier to keep clean.

Mel - posted on 06/09/2009

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glad to hear your getting a lawsuit against them and very glad to hear you wont be doing it again Tammy. so sorry for what your son has been thru and yourself :)

Tammy - posted on 06/09/2009

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But unfortunately there was an accident and 1/3 of my sons peepee was amputated. He was rushed to sick kids in Toronto as he almost bled to death. He underwent reconstructive surgery at 6 months and has to have another surgery this November. We are in the middle of a lawsuit regarding this matter. I would never have it done again if I have another boy.

Tammy - posted on 06/09/2009

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I had my son done at a special circumcision clinic. Was the worst and hardest decision of my life. Had it done because my husband is and wanted it done. All the males in the family had it done.

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Quoting LaCi:

I think that all the people who want their boys circumcised should be forced to watch, there is a reason they do it in a different room. It has nothing to do with sanitation. First they cut a snip of the foreskin, then they PRY IT BACKWARDS while the child is screaming but restrained on a table. Then they jab objects down the penis shaft to separate the foreskin from the penis. At this point your child is not screaming so loudly, because he is actually in SHOCK. then they snip off the foreskin, and you are left with a surgical wound to clean, rather than a normal healthy penis which requires NO EXTRA CARE.

Also consider if your son happens to be gay this eliminates one form of sexual stimulation for him.

But it wont really matter, since he's practically numb in the pants now anyway and his first experience with his penis is one of shock and immense pain.



I did watch, as a matter of fact, and your account is not very accurate, and is skewed towards the dramatic in order to induce fear in the minds of less educated people. It is one thing to choose not to do something because you do not think it is needed, but it is entirely different to give out erroneous information that you yourself has not witnessed first hand.



 

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Quoting LaCi:

I think that all the people who want their boys circumcised should be forced to watch, there is a reason they do it in a different room. It has nothing to do with sanitation. First they cut a snip of the foreskin, then they PRY IT BACKWARDS while the child is screaming but restrained on a table. Then they jab objects down the penis shaft to separate the foreskin from the penis. At this point your child is not screaming so loudly, because he is actually in SHOCK. then they snip off the foreskin, and you are left with a surgical wound to clean, rather than a normal healthy penis which requires NO EXTRA CARE.

Also consider if your son happens to be gay this eliminates one form of sexual stimulation for him.

But it wont really matter, since he's practically numb in the pants now anyway and his first experience with his penis is one of shock and immense pain.



I did watch, as a matter of fact, and your account is not very accurate, and is skewed towards the dramatic in order to induce fear in the minds of less educated people. It is one thing to choose not to do something because you do not think it is needed, but it is entirely different to give out erroneous information that you yourself has not witnessed first hand.



 

Krista - posted on 06/08/2009

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Quoting Esther:

http://www.luckystiff.org/circumcision/i...



This article should be required reading before anyone even considers circumcizing their baby boy.  It's a shame that the false "benefits" of circumcision are still propagated by doctors in the States and that American society tells people that circumcision is normal.  I don't fault mothers who choose circumcision - I think that every good mother does what they believe is best for their children.  I just hope that by the time this generation is grown and having their own babies that this circumcision trend has completely died out, and that intact penises will once again, and rightfully, be considered normal, clean, and healthy. 

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Esther, Thanks so much for that link. That is pretty much the last word on the subject as far as I'm concerned. I suggest all contributors to this thread read it in its entirety.

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Esther, Thanks so much for that link. That is pretty much the last word on the subject as far as I'm concerned. I suggest all contributors to this thread read it in its entirety.

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Quoting Leigh:

Thank you for posting a legit circumcision.....I am 30 weeks pg and neglected to mention in my "can't we all just get along" post that I already HAVE 2 circumcized sons- my ped did it differently, with a local anaesthetic and my first son left me sleeping and returned (I SWEAR) 6 minutes later, asleep. When I was PG with #2, I made the mistake of watching a third world scenario- posted as though it were accurate and up to date as your video is (it was a fervent anti-circ mom, but she mislead ppl with the link) and was TRAUMATIZED! I refused to do baby #2 UNTIL my ped actually came to my bedside in hospital, explained why he believes (and he is 40 years old, and not Jewish or circ'ed for religious reasons) I should allow baby #2 to be done as well. I poured my sobbing tale out to him and it turns out, in my city, he actually patented a procedure that is "painless" and showed me what he did....and baby #2 was done behind a sheeted area 5 ft from me (true, I was/am unhappy mommy isn't allowed in, he said we tend to be emotional from birth and sore and tired and easily stressed, and the strapping down can be upsetting) and he also left my arms asleep and I heard NO TEARS- he didn't wake up!! I do have reasons I will be doing baby #3, but honestly it seems it wouldn't matter what I said, someone will find a way to make my long, thought out, researched and "best in my heart for baby" reasons as barbaric, so I'm not going to go there. I am glad to say that I know my boys were given a warmed topical BEFORE an injection (prolly why they never woke) and that this video did upset me some- NO ONE wants to hear a baby cry and not be able to soothe....but 2 things did pop to mind-
1. I am a social worker with some psychology (by no means an expert) and do believe the most upsetting thing to the wee one in the video was the cold wet med/iodine solution, being held down, and not being able to be comforted with cuddles (held close) and also I do believe our babies feel our anxiety and may react by fear and crying, I imagine unmedicated there is pain to some degree- but that brings me to point 2.....does it hurt to cut the umbilical cord? Does it hurt the baby, I mean? Does birth itself (being squeezed hard by uternine contractions for hours/days) cause pain/discomfort? Does the birth of the head thru a tight and restrictive place cause pain or discomfort? What about a vacuum birth? All that tugging thru a smal space has to be uncomfortable- I imagine it was like how it feels when we have to jimmy a too tight ring off our fingers with twisting and force (I know it hurt me to do that) and do forceps hurt the tender head? My point is that I think there is probably pain for baby just in a routine birth- it hurts mommy, too, right? I understand that mommy chose to have baby undergo a process that may be painful, but I wonder sometimes if this debate is mostly about woman using the most judgemental and often vulgar scenarios/verbal imagery to drive the decision THEY made (for good reasons, I am sure) NOT to circumcise a stronger sell to those women who DO make a different choice. I will admit, I almost resent the term "intact" as it implies my sons are not whole now, but at the end of the day, I trust the medical community as a whole (who continues to have this procedure deemed acceptable) upholds their Hippocratic (sp?) vows and only perform any operation or make any decision based on HELPING and healing, not ripping, tearing or abusing. I know i aready said it, but while I am all for sharing experiences and differences, I just wish we as women could be confident enough in our our decison making that we can be respectful of another loving mothers decisions- in every capacity. In a day where we don't have huge extended famalies anymore and we have to work outside the home and we are stretched so thin, I want to look at my peers for support and love. We don't have to compete for who is "rightest" or who is the next "mother of the year"....it is enough to make every decision out of love and good intentions. Maybe if topics such as this were more of a "this was my experience" rather than "you're a complete blubbering moron cuz you didn't do what i did" we'd be more open to learning from each other. No one likes to be judged or attacked.
I honestly think that this generation of mothers have the most pressure ever to be all to everyone, with less family support than ever. We could pick up the slack for each other as we all navigate thru this unchartered territory, and the results would be empowering and cohesive.
I hope other mommies feel the way i do- maybe if we just keep practisining what we preach, we just may learn from one another, while teachingour children via example respect and tolerance.


I just wanted to respond to what you said about use of the word "intact", since I know I've used it at least once in this thread. I can see how it would definitely rub people the wrong way, but I didn't mean any harm in saying it. I guess I kind of feel the same way about the word "uncircumcised".



A person can't actually be 'un-circumcised' - once it is done there's no reversing the procedure. It is a bit like saying that a baby is undressed when it is born. No, they're born naked! You can't be undressed if you're never dressed. "Intact" is the default position, before any alterations are made, and I don't think we really have a good word for the 'default'.



I hope that my use of that word hasn't offended, because I don't intend to insult those who've made a different choice than I have. The reason I'm still posting in this thread is that I think people should make decisions based on accurate information - so I do find it appropriate to respond to obviously incorrect statements like "circimcision prevents yeast infections" or "you have to pull back and clean under the foreskin". I don't think people should base decisions on outdated info, and some of the things people have said about foreskin care can actually hurt babies.



As for the questions you posed about the umbilical cord and birth process - there are no nerve endings in the cord, so cutting it doesn't hurt (I looked that one up when I was pregnant, because it worried me, too!). And as for the birth process, I'm sure it hard on the baby, too. But there are benefits - like how it helps squeeze all the fluid out of the lungs to stimulate breathing. Some people look at circumcision and see that the pain is worth the benefit, but I came do a different conclusion.

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both my boys have been done, and best thing. The latest studies are for them, the only type of cancer a man can get in the penis is in the foreskin. Also alot of boys that dont get done at birth end up getting doen because f medical reasons later in life.

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Thank you for posting a legit circumcision.....I am 30 weeks pg and neglected to mention in my "can't we all just get along" post that I already HAVE 2 circumcized sons- my ped did it differently, with a local anaesthetic and my first son left me sleeping and returned (I SWEAR) 6 minutes later, asleep. When I was PG with #2, I made the mistake of watching a third world scenario- posted as though it were accurate and up to date as your video is (it was a fervent anti-circ mom, but she mislead ppl with the link) and was TRAUMATIZED! I refused to do baby #2 UNTIL my ped actually came to my bedside in hospital, explained why he believes (and he is 40 years old, and not Jewish or circ'ed for religious reasons) I should allow baby #2 to be done as well. I poured my sobbing tale out to him and it turns out, in my city, he actually patented a procedure that is "painless" and showed me what he did....and baby #2 was done behind a sheeted area 5 ft from me (true, I was/am unhappy mommy isn't allowed in, he said we tend to be emotional from birth and sore and tired and easily stressed, and the strapping down can be upsetting) and he also left my arms asleep and I heard NO TEARS- he didn't wake up!! I do have reasons I will be doing baby #3, but honestly it seems it wouldn't matter what I said, someone will find a way to make my long, thought out, researched and "best in my heart for baby" reasons as barbaric, so I'm not going to go there. I am glad to say that I know my boys were given a warmed topical BEFORE an injection (prolly why they never woke) and that this video did upset me some- NO ONE wants to hear a baby cry and not be able to soothe....but 2 things did pop to mind-

1. I am a social worker with some psychology (by no means an expert) and do believe the most upsetting thing to the wee one in the video was the cold wet med/iodine solution, being held down, and not being able to be comforted with cuddles (held close) and also I do believe our babies feel our anxiety and may react by fear and crying, I imagine unmedicated there is pain to some degree- but that brings me to point 2.....does it hurt to cut the umbilical cord? Does it hurt the baby, I mean? Does birth itself (being squeezed hard by uternine contractions for hours/days) cause pain/discomfort? Does the birth of the head thru a tight and restrictive place cause pain or discomfort? What about a vacuum birth? All that tugging thru a smal space has to be uncomfortable- I imagine it was like how it feels when we have to jimmy a too tight ring off our fingers with twisting and force (I know it hurt me to do that) and do forceps hurt the tender head? My point is that I think there is probably pain for baby just in a routine birth- it hurts mommy, too, right? I understand that mommy chose to have baby undergo a process that may be painful, but I wonder sometimes if this debate is mostly about woman using the most judgemental and often vulgar scenarios/verbal imagery to drive the decision THEY made (for good reasons, I am sure) NOT to circumcise a stronger sell to those women who DO make a different choice. I will admit, I almost resent the term "intact" as it implies my sons are not whole now, but at the end of the day, I trust the medical community as a whole (who continues to have this procedure deemed acceptable) upholds their Hippocratic (sp?) vows and only perform any operation or make any decision based on HELPING and healing, not ripping, tearing or abusing. I know i aready said it, but while I am all for sharing experiences and differences, I just wish we as women could be confident enough in our our decison making that we can be respectful of another loving mothers decisions- in every capacity. In a day where we don't have huge extended famalies anymore and we have to work outside the home and we are stretched so thin, I want to look at my peers for support and love. We don't have to compete for who is "rightest" or who is the next "mother of the year"....it is enough to make every decision out of love and good intentions. Maybe if topics such as this were more of a "this was my experience" rather than "you're a complete blubbering moron cuz you didn't do what i did" we'd be more open to learning from each other. No one likes to be judged or attacked.

I honestly think that this generation of mothers have the most pressure ever to be all to everyone, with less family support than ever. We could pick up the slack for each other as we all navigate thru this unchartered territory, and the results would be empowering and cohesive.

I hope other mommies feel the way i do- maybe if we just keep practisining what we preach, we just may learn from one another, while teachingour children via example respect and tolerance.

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Quoting Stacey:

I got my son circumcised and will if i have another boy. I dont look at it as cosmetic rather than for health reasons. My fiance and I discussed it before our son was even born. We didnt mutalate our son. He did fine and healed in a week. Besides it's better to do it while they are young so they dont remember. Men have MORE problems with it as they age so letting them decided when he get older wasnt an option. Ask any man...they dont care they have a piece of skin missing. It still works. Seems the only people with problems are women.


I agree with you 100%. My son is circumcised and healed within a few days. Circumcision is more painful if you wait to do it later in life and man can have more complications afterwards.

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My son is now 14 and was not circumsized. mainly because no one could give me a valid reason to do it other then to be like everyone else. We had very minor issues with the skin not streching but that was resolved with daily stretching ordered by the dr. no infection risk if they clean properly and use condoms during sex.

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Quoting Jessica:

Since so many seem to call circumcision mutilation.. here is the definition.

Mutilation is defined as an act or physical injury that degrades the appearance or function of any living body, usually without causing death.

I do NOT think that saying someone who had their child circumcised is in any way degrading the look of their child's body, nor is it going to impede in the use of their sexual genitalia.

If that is how the women who are anti-circumcision think, and I have read many posts who said their husbands are but they decided to not do that horrific thing to their children..
I ask... Why did you marry a mutilated man? Evidently his "mutilated" penis didn't turn you off or repulse you, because you and him were able to produce children and in hence give you reason to even argue this topic...


Actually, I had posted the definition of "mutilation" earlier in the thread to make the opposite point. One can make the claim that circumcision degrades the function of the genitalia even though sex and procreation are still possible. The foreskin most definitely has a function in sex, and when it is removed, sex is different. The same would be true for a woman who's labia or clitoral hood were removed - she could absolutely still have sex, enjoy sex, and give birth - but it wouldn't be the same as if she had those parts. Someone who is missing a toe, can still run and walk, but I'd bet their balance isn't quite the same. 



But you're right, using words like "mutilation" and "torture" are certainly loaded words. I think as soon as we start throwing them around, we're no longer having a discussion, and instead we're just attacking each other. When discussing this topic, I try to stick with the term circumcision (whether we're talking about males or females) for exactly that reason.

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why can't mothers just support one another as long as intentions are based on love and concern? Part of mothering is teaching tolerance and forgiveness for mistakes....

I am positive that there are mommies who feel bad they choice circumcision, AND mommies who feel guily they didn't....I am just gonna support my fellow mothers and STOP FEELING GUILTY and second guessing every single thing any of us does in love, my kids need me to have the brain space to be with them daily, not regretting things I can't do/undo,

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Quoting Rebecca:

Sooo..here's my story. Read if you like, and offer advice if you like (and can behave with it). My son is now 20 months old. He is uncircumcised at this time. When I was pregnant, I read books, visited parents.com, talked to the doctors, etc about this issue. Me and my husband chose to have it done. We had several reasons, some were medical and some were not. The doctors told us that boys were at higher risk for urinary tract infections and some stds if they were not, but that it is only SLIGHTY higher. The men in my family range from not circ'd to circ'd. I even have a nephew who was improperly circ'd and just had to have it redone because the skin grew over. He's 18. They had to "debris" his penis to fix it! This (in non-medical-ese lol) means they had to scrape skin off his entire penis! Let's just say he was out of school for almost two weeks and even then had to take it very easy! He is fine now thankfully. SO needless to say, we had a lot of different points, but we decided that as informed adults, we would have our son circumcised. Well, a few days after my son was born, they asked if we wanted him to be circumcised. We said yes. A few hours later, the dr said that he wanted to talk to us in person first because my son's penis "was so short, he might nick the testicles if he performed the operation"!!! Needless to say, anyone that may nick my son's testicles, had no reason to be touching my son!!! SO we told him we would talk to his pediatrician and have them refer us to someone more practiced. When we went for my son's first checkup, they heard a heart murmur. Turns out, he has VSD, which means he has a hole in his heart. They advised us to wait till he was a year old to do the circumcision. The surgeon our pediatrician sent us to when he was a year old wouldn't do the operation because he has a heart defect, and she said it could cause problems with his heart. I asked the cardiologist about this at our next visit, and she said it wouldn't have caused problems, and sent a formal letter to our pediatrician and the surgeon. When we went back to the pediatrician a few months later, she said she could refer us to a urologist who WOULD do it. We set a date for a few months from then and were on our way. THEN we lost our insurance about 3 weeks before the circumcision would have been done. So to this day, I have been caring for an uncirc'd little boy, and it's not really all that different than I imagine it would be otherwise. I'm still kinda skittish about not having it done. UTI's are very, very painful, and I just don't know how my son would handle it. Plus right now, he can't tell me it hurts down there. How would I know if that's what was bothering him? That same principal applies if he does get circ'd though..So to this day it has not been done, but we do wish for it to be done, for several reasons that the moms that did have it done have mentioned.
Also, I have read two pages of replies, and it seems like the circumcision-supporting moms have been getting kinda railroaded! Please try to remember that every parent is their child's guardian, and it is not your place to judge them. We have to protect them and guide them by what WE think is best. If the parent doesn't care about their child, or want what was best for them, do you really think they would be on "Circle of Moms" trying to communicate and swap stories and advice? Not one of us is perfect. We try to do the best with what we are presented with.
In closing, you people can hate me, send dirty responses, say I want to "mutilate and torture" my son all you want, but it will do no good. I know I love my son no matter what, and he knows it too..and always will! And I suggest before posting some of the things that come into your head, re-read what you wrote and see how childish you sound. We should be setting GOOD examples for our children!! I'm done ranting now, and I support everyone for the choices you made for your children! May you all live happy and healthy!!! ^_^




Well even though you seem to think I am snippy you said all the same things I have said.   Actually almost exactly what I said.  So needless to say I agree with you.



I'm sorry that you went thru so much with your son.  Hope that his condition has rectified itself or it is getting better.  My nephew will be born with a heart tumor in a few months and I'm sure that it'll be stressful for our whole family.

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Sooo..here's my story. Read if you like, and offer advice if you like (and can behave with it). My son is now 20 months old. He is uncircumcised at this time. When I was pregnant, I read books, visited parents.com, talked to the doctors, etc about this issue. Me and my husband chose to have it done. We had several reasons, some were medical and some were not. The doctors told us that boys were at higher risk for urinary tract infections and some stds if they were not, but that it is only SLIGHTY higher. The men in my family range from not circ'd to circ'd. I even have a nephew who was improperly circ'd and just had to have it redone because the skin grew over. He's 18. They had to "debris" his penis to fix it! This (in non-medical-ese lol) means they had to scrape skin off his entire penis! Let's just say he was out of school for almost two weeks and even then had to take it very easy! He is fine now thankfully. SO needless to say, we had a lot of different points, but we decided that as informed adults, we would have our son circumcised. Well, a few days after my son was born, they asked if we wanted him to be circumcised. We said yes. A few hours later, the dr said that he wanted to talk to us in person first because my son's penis "was so short, he might nick the testicles if he performed the operation"!!! Needless to say, anyone that may nick my son's testicles, had no reason to be touching my son!!! SO we told him we would talk to his pediatrician and have them refer us to someone more practiced. When we went for my son's first checkup, they heard a heart murmur. Turns out, he has VSD, which means he has a hole in his heart. They advised us to wait till he was a year old to do the circumcision. The surgeon our pediatrician sent us to when he was a year old wouldn't do the operation because he has a heart defect, and she said it could cause problems with his heart. I asked the cardiologist about this at our next visit, and she said it wouldn't have caused problems, and sent a formal letter to our pediatrician and the surgeon. When we went back to the pediatrician a few months later, she said she could refer us to a urologist who WOULD do it. We set a date for a few months from then and were on our way. THEN we lost our insurance about 3 weeks before the circumcision would have been done. So to this day, I have been caring for an uncirc'd little boy, and it's not really all that different than I imagine it would be otherwise. I'm still kinda skittish about not having it done. UTI's are very, very painful, and I just don't know how my son would handle it. Plus right now, he can't tell me it hurts down there. How would I know if that's what was bothering him? That same principal applies if he does get circ'd though..So to this day it has not been done, but we do wish for it to be done, for several reasons that the moms that did have it done have mentioned.

Also, I have read two pages of replies, and it seems like the circumcision-supporting moms have been getting kinda railroaded! Please try to remember that every parent is their child's guardian, and it is not your place to judge them. We have to protect them and guide them by what WE think is best. If the parent doesn't care about their child, or want what was best for them, do you really think they would be on "Circle of Moms" trying to communicate and swap stories and advice? Not one of us is perfect. We try to do the best with what we are presented with.

In closing, you people can hate me, send dirty responses, say I want to "mutilate and torture" my son all you want, but it will do no good. I know I love my son no matter what, and he knows it too..and always will! And I suggest before posting some of the things that come into your head, re-read what you wrote and see how childish you sound. We should be setting GOOD examples for our children!! I'm done ranting now, and I support everyone for the choices you made for your children! May you all live happy and healthy!!! ^_^

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Quoting Mandy:

... on top of that, maybe we need to look at both sides of the coin... whether you choose to have your son done or not is again, your choice as a parent. Everyone has a reason for their decisions and whether or not someone agrees with it or not is irrelevent. The only people that you really have to answer to is god (if you believe in god that is) and yourself and if you were comfortable with what you chose to do, then don't worry so much about what others say. Circumcision is not something my family is deciding to go through with but in no way does this mean that I will tell someone else that decides to have it done that they are wrong.

People in general need to show more compassion for their fellow humans. If we decided to "hate" everyone that did something we didn't like, then we would all be very lonely in a world consisting of billions of people.

Just some food for thought. :D




Completely agree.  Everyone has their own reasons and opinions.  To dislike someone for being different would make life literally impossible [or absolutely worthless].  And personally, I like my life the way it is!   

Bravo Mandy!

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Quoting Mandy:

... on top of that, maybe we need to look at both sides of the coin... whether you choose to have your son done or not is again, your choice as a parent. Everyone has a reason for their decisions and whether or not someone agrees with it or not is irrelevent. The only people that you really have to answer to is god (if you believe in god that is) and yourself and if you were comfortable with what you chose to do, then don't worry so much about what others say. Circumcision is not something my family is deciding to go through with but in no way does this mean that I will tell someone else that decides to have it done that they are wrong.

People in general need to show more compassion for their fellow humans. If we decided to "hate" everyone that did something we didn't like, then we would all be very lonely in a world consisting of billions of people.

Just some food for thought. :D




Completely agree.  Everyone has their own reasons and opinions.  To dislike someone for being different would make life literally impossible [or absolutely worthless].  And personally, I like my life the way it is!   

Bravo Mandy!

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Quoting Rebecca:

Wow, you are SO snippy!!


 



If your referring to myself, I disagree. 

I think that it is very important for people to know what the meaning of their words are.  If you find that snippy that is your opinion.  After reading 2 pages of this conversation.. and seeing that even with the respect the pro-circumsicion mothers have for the non-circumcised beliefs, it is pretty evident that the respect should go both ways.   

My mother always taught me to stand up for what I believe in.

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Quoting Rebecca:

Wow, you are SO snippy!!


 



If your referring to myself, I disagree. 

I think that it is very important for people to know what the meaning of their words are.  If you find that snippy that is your opinion.  After reading 2 pages of this conversation.. and seeing that even with the respect the pro-circumsicion mothers have for the non-circumcised beliefs, it is pretty evident that the respect should go both ways.   

My mother always taught me to stand up for what I believe in.

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Quoting Melissa:

im with Emily would never torture my child in that way it sickens me. anyway who does is screwed in the head.



Yet this is the woman who announced in another question that you drive around ILLEGALLY UNLICENSED with an infant in your car. 

I think that you in fact, are screwed in the head.   I take offense to your views on the word "torture" in this conversation. 



Here is the definition since you seem to need it...



Torture is any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him, or a third person, information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in, or incidental to, lawful sanctions.



 



Since I did not attempt to obtain information, punish him or attempt to get a confession out of my 3 day child... I HIGHLY DISPUTE that "torture" is a word to be used in this conversation.



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Since so many seem to call circumcision mutilation.. here is the definition.



Mutilation is defined as an act or physical injury that degrades the appearance or function of any living body, usually without causing death.



I do NOT think that saying someone who had their child circumcised is in any way degrading the look of their child's body, nor is it going to impede in the use of their sexual genitalia.



If that is how the women who are anti-circumcision think, and I have read many posts who said their husbands are but they decided to not do that horrific thing to their children..

I ask... Why did you marry a mutilated man? Evidently his "mutilated" penis didn't turn you off or repulse you, because you and him were able to produce children and in hence give you reason to even argue this topic...



Circumcision is not a mandatory procedure, it is a preventative one.



Needless to say, my son is circumcised. Can't say it was so he was like his father, as his father has never been around. It was a person decision that I made and in right mind. I honestly would rather have to make that decision at the age of 3 days old when he doesn't remember ANYTHING than to have to make that decision at 6 or even 16. Can you see sitting down with your 16 year old having a conversation about his penis? Good relationship or not, I honestly don't see that going over very comfortably. Can you see explaining to his English teacher that his penis was infected and you had to take him to get his foreskin removed? Him missing out on his Sr Prom, and other things that might be going on his life? No thank you.



So, I agree to disagree. I have no problems with those who decided to not take the preventative measure of circumcision for their boys, but at the same time, do not have a problem with my decision.

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Since so many seem to call circumcision mutilation.. here is the definition.



Mutilation is defined as an act or physical injury that degrades the appearance or function of any living body, usually without causing death.



I do NOT think that saying someone who had their child circumcised is in any way degrading the look of their child's body, nor is it going to impede in the use of their sexual genitalia.



If that is how the women who are anti-circumcision think, and I have read many posts who said their husbands are but they decided to not do that horrific thing to their children..

I ask... Why did you marry a mutilated man? Evidently his "mutilated" penis didn't turn you off or repulse you, because you and him were able to produce children and in hence give you reason to even argue this topic...



Circumcision is not a mandatory procedure, it is a preventative one.



Needless to say, my son is circumcised. Can't say it was so he was like his father, as his father has never been around. It was a person decision that I made and in right mind. I honestly would rather have to make that decision at the age of 3 days old when he doesn't remember ANYTHING than to have to make that decision at 6 or even 16. Can you see sitting down with your 16 year old having a conversation about his penis? Good relationship or not, I honestly don't see that going over very comfortably. Can you see explaining to his English teacher that his penis was infected and you had to take him to get his foreskin removed? Him missing out on his Sr Prom, and other things that might be going on his life? No thank you.



So, I agree to disagree. I have no problems with those who decided to not take the preventative measure of circumcision for their boys, but at the same time, do not have a problem with my decision.

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i live in the uk and it is almost unheard of to have it done over here and most hospitals refuse to do it. I find the whole idea of injuring your child on purpose bizare (also hate piercings on little ones but that is a whole other issue) Surely you instincts as a mother is to protect your child not inflict pain for no reason. As for medical reasons well that is just rubbish. Cleaning the penis is about as difficult as brushing your teeth - do you suggest we have childrens teeth pulled "just in case". If you are a good parent you teach your child how to clean them selves properly - simple as that.

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Circumcision for an immediate medical reason



Non-retractable foreskin in children



Contrary to common belief, the foreskin cannot be pulled back (retracted) in almost all newborn babies. Well-meaning parents do not need to try cleaning under the foreskin until it has become fully retractable of its own accord because attempts to pull back a non-retractable foreskin can result in pain and possibly injury.



About 50 per cent of one-year-old boys will have a non-retractable foreskin, 30 per cent of two-year-olds, about 10 per cent of four-year-olds and about 5 per cent of 10-year-olds.



The small percentage of adults who have a persistently non-retractable foreskin have a slightly increased chance of developing phimosis (see below), but this persistence is not a reason for circumcision.



Phimosis



In phimosis (foreskin contraction), the opening of the foreskin is narrowed, preventing retraction. Provided that the skin of the foreskin is normal and inability to retract it does not cause problems with intercourse or recurrent infections, no action is necessary.



Occasionally, the edge of the foreskin has a white, scarred, inelastic appearance and will not pucker open as it is retracted. Between 1 and 1.5 per cent of boys will develop this condition by the time they are 17 years old. Symptoms can include



irritation or bleeding from the edge of the foreskin



stinging or pain on passing urine (dysuria)



inability to pass urine (acute or, rarely, chronic urinary retention).





The changes in the prepuce are known as balanitis xerotica obliterans, which can become cancerous if left untreated. Circumcision is advisable in most cases.



Acute balanoposthitis



This condition involves redness and swelling of the foreskin, together with a discharge of pus from the space between the foreskin and the glans.



Sometimes the whole penis may be swollen and inflamed. Between 3 and 10 per cent of boys will develop this condition, depending on how the condition is defined.



Balanoposthitis is very occasionally the first sign of diabetes. If there is no underlying cause, simple hygiene measures, mild painkillers and the avoidance of tugging the foreskin are the only necessary treatments. Most cases will recover without further intervention. Circumcision is only done for recurrent and troublesome cases.



Paraphimosis



This condition is caused by forcibly pulling back the foreskin behind the coronal ridge of the glans or head of the penis, without its subsequent replacement.



The foreskin then forms a tight tourniquet around the glans, causing severe pain. The condition can sometimes be treated by firmly but gently squeezing the trapped glans until the foreskin can slip over it again.



If this is not possible, the paraphimosis needs to be reduced under a general anaesthetic. Circumcision is only very rarely necessary.



Circumcision to prevent future disease



Prevention of disease is the second most commonly given reason for circumcision after religious reasons, although the evidence that it has any beneficial effect on future health is very poor. The practice is, more likely, rooted in cultural traditions, although western societies may find this an uncomfortable conclusion.



Penile cancer



Cancer of the penis is an extremely rare disease and, in the early part of the last century, was almost unheard of in circumcised men. However, there is some evidence that circumcision may only offer protection from penile cancer if done in childhood, and adult surgery may not offer any protection.



Poor personal hygiene, smoking and exposure to wart virus (human papilloma virus) increase the risk of developing penile cancer at least as much as being uncircumcised.



Circumcised men are more at risk from penile warts than uncircumcised men, and the risk of developing penile cancer is now almost equal in the two groups. Therefore, routine circumcision cannot be recommended to prevent penile cancer.



Sexually transmitted diseases



Sexually transmitted infections that cause ulcers on the genitals (syphilis, chancroid, herpes simplex) are more common in uncircumcised men. However, urethritis or inflammation of the tube that carries urine through the penis (caused by gonorrhoea and non-gonococcal urethritis) is more common in circumcised men, as are penile warts.



Yeast infection (caused by candida or thrush) is equally common in circumcised and uncircumcised men, although circumcised men are less likely to have symptoms with this infection so they are more likely to unknowingly pass on thrush to their sexual partners.



Far more effective and reliable methods than circumcision exist to reduce the risk of contracting sexually transmitted diseases, such as the use of condoms and adoption of safer sexual practices. Thus circumcision cannot be recommended to prevent these infections.



Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) infection



Views conflict on whether circumcision can prevent HIV infection. A recent review in the British Journal of Urology concluded that there is no link between having an intact foreskin and HIV infection, whereas another paper in the British Medical Journal takes exactly the opposite view.



Circumcision may be appropriate as a routine preventive measure only in regions that have a high rate of HIV infection, such as sub-Saharan Africa. The existing evidence is inadequate to recommend circumcision as an HIV-preventive measure in the UK.



Cervical cancer



A study in 1947 reported that Jewish women rarely developed cervical cancer and the author attributed this finding to the fact that their sexual partners were circumcised.



Further studies over the past 50 years have had contradictory conclusions, with experts enthusiastically championing the case for and against circumcision. The evidence is inadequate to recommend it as a preventive measure against cervical cancer.



Urinary tract infection (UTI)



Since 1987, several studies have suggested that uncircumcised male infants are up to 10 times more likely to contract a urinary tract infection (UTI). One in 100 uncircumcised infants will develop a UTI, compared with 1 in 1000 circumcised infants.



A UTI is not usually a great risk to health, so it does not seem reasonable to perform a surgical procedure on 100 infants to reduce the risk of one developing UTI.

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Quoting Abbey:

Now, the reason we got our child circumcised has nothing to do with looking like his daddy. Every pediatric nurse I know said that the uncircumcised boys typically result in getting a circumcision before they reach an age to make that choice. Their father's don't know how to clean an uncircumcised penis because they are circumcised. We have no idea what family history says about infection because all the men are circumcised. So the chance of getting a circumcision at an older age is 50/50. And the likelihood that it will happen before he reaches the age of consent is even lower.


Wow - a medical circumcision rate of close to 50%! That's awful. The highest national rates I've seen were more like 1.5%, with some countries reporting much lower numbers (~1 in 16,000). But you definitely make a good point about lots of people (at least in the US) not knowing how to care for the penis properly since pretty much all babies were circumcised for so many years. I mean, just on this thread, it the issue of pulling a baby's foreskin back to clean it has come up lots - and that's something you're *never* supposed to do.



I think a lot of doctors aren't familiar with the foreskin, and can give out bad advice. I see the same with breastfeeding, actually. I didn't know a single woman in my family who breastfed, and I'd never even seen anyone do it before. I struggled with it a lot getting started because I had no clue what was normal. I imagine parents who don't circumcise their sons even though they've never known anyone not circumcised likely have the same sorts of concerns that I had with breastfeeding.

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