Want to open up another can? Circumcision!

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Did you have your sons circumcised or not? If so, why? If not, why not? Discuss. This is mainly an American issue, I know. I've lived in Europe and it did affect my thinking on the topic.

I did NOT have my son circumcised for 3 reasons:

"To look like Dad" is not a compelling reason to me. To look like everyone else is also not valid anymore, in my area it's about 50/50.

There is no medical reason for routinely doing it. The reasons that people usually use are either old wives tales or are extremely rare.

I've seen it done several times and there is no way I could live with myself for doing that to an infant unless there was a life or death good reason for it.

I do think valid reasons exist, as in religious reasons or individual issues that had to be addressed. I just wondered what everyone else's experience had been. I'd also love to hear from Europeans as to what your take on this issue is.

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Quoting Casey :

Wow, an awful lot being said. I am on both sides of this equation. My two older boys are circ'd and my youngest is not. We've simply made it a non issue in our home. There are much more important things to focus on. When I had my first two back in '94 and '96, I didn't have a whole lot of knowledge about it and did it bc I thought it was best. With my 3rd child (born in '06) I had way more knowledge, researched it like crazy and prayed even more. What it boiled down to for us is that there are no religious reasons for it according to the New Testament so...ok, mark that off our list. Then we weighed the issues of infection and all that could happen if we left it alone and simply decided it was his body part to do with as he wishes when he's older. Again...we made a decision based on what we believe is in the best interest of our child.
I'm neither a bad mother for circing my first two or for not circing my 3rd. It's also NOT what makes me a good mother. I went with my own feelings and convictions and really don't care what others think about it. At the end of the day, I'm accountable to God and God alone as to whether or not I obeyed what He is leading me to do. To be honest, I'm not so sure He cares about this issue nearly as much as people do.
It's interesting to me that people assume THEIR beliefs are automatically right and everyone else's are wrong. Why try to make people feel badly about a decision they can't undo. Why be insulting. It's interesting how defensive the "non" circ's are being. I've apologized to my older boys for taking away the choice for them. But I DO NOT in any way, shape or form feel guilty for it bc I did what I thought was best for them at the time. There is no reason to condemn a person for that.
I'm sensing (in some of the people who are against circ.) a very pious attitude as if you think you are better than others. There is an air of superiority and judgment that is most unattractive. It's silly to waste time trying to defend your principles. If your principles are truth, they need no defense. And it's ridiculous to think for a moment that you love your child/ren more than those who choose to circ. Often, we are convinced that the way we think is RIGHT ON...never stopping for a moment to consider we are all flawed individuals who sometimes have faulty thinking. Consideration for others beliefs and standards would be wise.


THANK YOU!!

Mel - posted on 06/06/2009

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I have a son, and i did get him circumcised because as a mother at 19 i dont think that i could handle it if i did not clean under the foreskin propperly and cause and infection or if i didnt show him how to do it himself as he got older.

My partner, brother, father & father in-law are all circumcised and it is all i know so for me it is normal to get your son circumcised

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My goodness, is it really that big of a deal??? All of my sons are circumsized. I watched the procedure and it is not that big of an ordeal. The skin that comes off is so tiny. I would not call it mutilation. Sometimes you all get so dramatic. Have it done if you want, don't if you don't.

Kelly - posted on 06/06/2009

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I would just like to say to anyone considering having it done, perhaps it depends on the doctor/surgery you go to however i had my son done (not for medical reasonsbut choice) and the procedure took all of 15 minutes and he cried for all of 30 seconds, it is not as brutal as once thought.

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Yep - we totally have our son circumcised. I have worked with many little boys who have had problems around the age of 3 or 4 and have had to have had the operation done then. Not pleasant. I let my husband decide and was in agreement with his decision. Our experience was fine - our son didn't feel any pain - they numbed him up with a cream - no crying. Afterwards he didn't even need Panadol. (I gave him some because I thought he should have it).
I am very glad we had it done - the trend has swing back toward having it done (In Australia) due to the medical documentation regarding infection, HIV and cancer for little boys. He also looks much neater! But it is totally the choice of the parents.

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Quoting SAMANTHA:

i DID IT BECAUSE IT CAN CAUSE INFECTIONS IF YOU DONT



Any part of a boy...or girl for that matter can gete infected by not taking of it. I didnt my son thru it, and he is fine. Never had one problem! It's just a matter of cleanliness, and teaching your child the proper way to clean, just like you a teach how to wipe the right way... :)

Dawn - posted on 06/05/2009

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We have 3 boys who are NOT circumsized, and dad is... the issue about looking like dad, has never been brought up....we thought hard and long about the decision, but we came to conclusion that if they wanted it they could do it when they were older, and I do want to point out that EVERY surgery is painful, that is why there is pain medication. Why would you circumsize your newborn because MAYBE he might become infected...there are alot of MAYBEs in the world....and if you teach your son to clean it properly than there are no worries...when our boys are in the shower or the bath, I give a little knock on the door and ask them if they cleaned there privates..and I always get the same response..."AAAWWW!!!! mom...I know already!!!!" LOL

Dawn - posted on 06/05/2009

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I have 3 boys who are NOT circumsized, but thier dad is and they have never wondered WHY it looks different, in fact its never been an issue....Ive read quite a few posts, and there is alot about how painful it would be to be done later in life. But isn't EVERY surgery painful? thats why there is pain medication....

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Quoting Melissa:

im with Emily would never torture my child in that way it sickens me. anyway who does is screwed in the head.


Anyone who circumcises their son is not screwed in the head.  The parents who choose to have it done are logical people who made a logical decision to have their sons free from infection.  My friends and I all had our sons circumcised.  We did not do it to torture our sons but rather we are looking out for the future of their health.  

Michelle - posted on 06/05/2009

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I did have my son done for a few reasons and one of them was to be like Daddy but also know of to meny males that had to have it done later in life for verious reason and they all wish it had been done as a baby so they would not have had to go through everything they ended up having to go through

Amanda - posted on 06/05/2009

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Quoting Kandace:



Quoting Mandy:

Hi! (not directed any one person...)

From what I gathered this group was about discussing views on circumcsion, not countries, the war or the troops. I have a lot of respect for people who are out fighting but not for the reasons but that is my personal opinion and in no way am I bashing anyone for their choices, maybe if there are so many people that want to speak about this topic a new discussion could be opened for it? I think maybe this topic has gone a little off what was originally supposed to be discussed... on top of that, maybe we need to look at both sides of the coin... whether you choose to have your son done or not is again, your choice as a parent. Everyone has a reason for their decisions and whether or not someone agrees with it or not is irrelevent. The only people that you really have to answer to is god (if you believe in god that is) and yourself and if you were comfortable with what you chose to do, then don't worry so much about what others say. Circumcision is not something my family is deciding to go through with but in no way does this mean that I will tell someone else that decides to have it done that they are wrong.

People in general need to show more compassion for their fellow humans. If we decided to "hate" everyone that did something we didn't like, then we would all be very lonely in a world consisting of billions of people.

Just some food for thought. :D






I totaly agree with you, I just found it offensive what some people were saying.  Even though I had my son circd and you are deciding not to thats your chioce! I think that there is nothing wrong with you or your family or anyone else who decided not to. It is totaly personal choice as parents.






(p.s. we did not mutilate our sons for those of you who say we have that is really a sick thing to say)






 






And really I have no intention on debating any wars or counrties, ect., I just think some people should have a little more respect.






Exactly. I thought this was just a place to say... yes I will have it do/ did it or no I will not have it done/or have not done it.  I don't think it's fair to go off on a tangent to actually call someone names over it. (saying in general, again not bashing anyone.  even though I dont' agree with name calling, it is not my place to point any fingers at anyone in particular)   There are other things in the world that need that kind of passion, like how about we get together with that kind of energy and put a stop to 3rd world famine or helping the homeless....



I'm glad that you are comfortable with your decision and have decided not to bash anyone that did not make that same decision.



May your boys be perfectly healthy for the rest of their lives and may god bless them.



Hugs : D

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Quoting Mandy:

Hi! (not directed any one person...)

From what I gathered this group was about discussing views on circumcsion, not countries, the war or the troops. I have a lot of respect for people who are out fighting but not for the reasons but that is my personal opinion and in no way am I bashing anyone for their choices, maybe if there are so many people that want to speak about this topic a new discussion could be opened for it? I think maybe this topic has gone a little off what was originally supposed to be discussed... on top of that, maybe we need to look at both sides of the coin... whether you choose to have your son done or not is again, your choice as a parent. Everyone has a reason for their decisions and whether or not someone agrees with it or not is irrelevent. The only people that you really have to answer to is god (if you believe in god that is) and yourself and if you were comfortable with what you chose to do, then don't worry so much about what others say. Circumcision is not something my family is deciding to go through with but in no way does this mean that I will tell someone else that decides to have it done that they are wrong.

People in general need to show more compassion for their fellow humans. If we decided to "hate" everyone that did something we didn't like, then we would all be very lonely in a world consisting of billions of people.

Just some food for thought. :D



I totaly agree with you, I just found it offensive what some people were saying.  Even though I had my son circd and you are deciding not to thats your chioce! I think that there is nothing wrong with you or your family or anyone else who decided not to. It is totaly personal choice as parents.



(p.s. we did not mutilate our sons for those of you who say we have that is really a sick thing to say)



 



And really I have no intention on debating any wars or counrties, ect., I just think some people should have a little more respect.

Amanda - posted on 06/05/2009

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Hi! (not directed any one person...)



From what I gathered this group was about discussing views on circumcsion, not countries, the war or the troops. I have a lot of respect for people who are out fighting but not for the reasons but that is my personal opinion and in no way am I bashing anyone for their choices, maybe if there are so many people that want to speak about this topic a new discussion could be opened for it? I think maybe this topic has gone a little off what was originally supposed to be discussed... on top of that, maybe we need to look at both sides of the coin... whether you choose to have your son done or not is again, your choice as a parent. Everyone has a reason for their decisions and whether or not someone agrees with it or not is irrelevent. The only people that you really have to answer to is god (if you believe in god that is) and yourself and if you were comfortable with what you chose to do, then don't worry so much about what others say. Circumcision is not something my family is deciding to go through with but in no way does this mean that I will tell someone else that decides to have it done that they are wrong.



People in general need to show more compassion for their fellow humans. If we decided to "hate" everyone that did something we didn't like, then we would all be very lonely in a world consisting of billions of people.



Just some food for thought. :D

Dora - posted on 06/05/2009

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I did not circumcise my son, and I am so glad that we didn't. A little boy in my son's daycare had to go through the procedure twice because the boy's penis developed an infection from the first circumcision!

My family was trying to persuade me that it would be "cleaner" to have my son circumcised, and we're from Taiwan where circumcision was not the norm! My sister said that she's never seen an uncircumcised penis and made a "eww" remark. That did make me re-think - what if girls don't like it that way? What if it turns his future girlfriend off? But wait, the guys I dated were all circumcised, but who did I end up marrying? And that was when I decided, it matters not at all. My son can make his own choice, and I'm not going to be the person who takes that choice away from him.

Karmen - posted on 06/05/2009

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Neither of my sons are circumcised. My oldest was too small to have it done & by the time he was big enough he got sick & we didnt go thru with it. With the youngest, I didnt do it since there was really no reason to do it. After speaking to the pediatrician I was glad that I didnt. Both are fine.

Abbey - posted on 06/05/2009

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Somebody on one of these pages made a comment about being judgemental. And I have to say I agree, there is a lot of judgemental opinions on here. I plan on getting judgemental as well. My opinion will cause the wrath of the "don't circumcise your son people." We did and my husband went and watched because if we made a choice like that we felt that he shouldn't go through it alone. Honestly, the comment about being "strapped" to a table is ridiculous. And the comment about how there will not be any trust for people from there on out from the circumcised is completely ridiculous. Seriously, so what you are telling me is that all circumcised boys are going to grow up to be completely unadjusted in society with the inability to trust people. But they won't be rapists because they have no ability to feel the pleasure of sex and they are more likely to become serial killers out of sexual frustration. Well watch out for my baby boy in about 15 years. Oh and you best stay out of the US because almost everyone over the age of 10 is probably out to get you. Now there you go....that is what your judgement sounds like to those who circumcised.

Now, the reason we got our child circumcised has nothing to do with looking like his daddy. Every pediatric nurse I know said that the uncircumcised boys typically result in getting a circumcision before they reach an age to make that choice. Their father's don't know how to clean an uncircumcised penis because they are circumcised. We have no idea what family history says about infection because all the men are circumcised. So the chance of getting a circumcision at an older age is 50/50. And the likelihood that it will happen before he reaches the age of consent is even lower.

Now on the flip side....reasons I didn't want to circumcise have nothing to do with mutilation and more to do with the possibility of a bad circumcision that would require a second one. Which does happen. My son has had to have his torn back because it has healed incorrectly and that caused more pain than the actual act of getting a circumcision. And I regretted it for the 2 minutes he cried. Yes, 2 minutes and he was over it.

AND YES, he could be taught to clean it and uncircumcised penis, so all you judgemental nay-sayers keep it to yourself. I don't want to hear it. And neither do all the other well adjusted mothers who chose to circumcise their child to look like daddy. I can guarantee you that each one of you looks like the women in your society in one way or another. Whether it be that you dye your hair, get you ears pierced, watch your diet "to be healthy" when the truth is you want to look like the models in the magazine. I am not lying to myself about who I am. And my son LOVES me and my husband, who was there watching him get "mutilated." He may be a mommy's boy but his daddy is the one he loves to watch and smile with. Have a good day.

Cori - posted on 06/05/2009

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Quoting LaCi:



Quoting Cori:




Quoting LaCi:















I have every intention of moving out. I don't believe the troops are fighting for freedom. They are fighting for control, not their fault they're just doing their job. its our government I dislike, not the military, but youre absolutely right, we should all move out. 













LaCi,








Please don't speak for everyone.  Just speak for yourself.  I actually love living in the United States and having the freedoms and opportunities that I have, such as "Freedom of Speech" which you exercise so well.  There are also many others who feel their families have better opportunities here than in the countries they come from.  So, when you state "we should all move out" you are taking a big liberty in speaking for the rest of us.  While I know that the US has its faults, I hate to burst your bubble, but all countries have theirs.  I have spent much time in Canada, Italy, and Australia as well as having family in England and Italy and I can honestly say there were things I loved about those countries and would love to live in any of them someday for a period of time, but I also know after speaking with many people in each of these places, that all countries have their downfalls.  So, Good Luck to you in finding your perfect country!








By the way, earlier you called the circumcision procedure performed on my son the rot it off method or something and that it is no longer common.  I am not sure what class you are taking or where you are getting your statistics, but of the three most common procedures for performing circumcision in the US it is one of the three and in the state I am from it is the most common.








Cori









That conversation was about people who were "bashing" the unisted states. If you didnt bash it wasn't about you, was it?






 






Surgical circumcision is the most common nationally, and I called yours the rot off method because that, essentially, is what happens. You are cutting blood flow off from living tissue until it is dead and falls off.





LaCi,



Obviously I offended you for you to be so rude back.  My appologies as I was simple stating a fact that all countries have their problems and I appologize for misinterpreting your "all" in your statement.



 



On the methods for circumcision though, I have researched the top methods and if you look in one of my earlier posts there is a link to the AAP with statistics for each of the methods and explanations.  I know what happens in the method performed on my son (similiar to the umbilical cord "rotting" (as you would say) off instead of removing it by other means) and that was not the arguement you made when replying to me earlier.  Your arguement was that it was not common which is what I responded to, because it actually is.  Whether or not it is the #1 is not the question as many medical procedures have more than one common method for performing them.



 



My sincere appologies again for upsetting you as I didn't realize that someone who could be as rude to others would be so easily offended.

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Quoting Cori:



Quoting LaCi:












I have every intention of moving out. I don't believe the troops are fighting for freedom. They are fighting for control, not their fault they're just doing their job. its our government I dislike, not the military, but youre absolutely right, we should all move out. 










LaCi,






Please don't speak for everyone.  Just speak for yourself.  I actually love living in the United States and having the freedoms and opportunities that I have, such as "Freedom of Speech" which you exercise so well.  There are also many others who feel their families have better opportunities here than in the countries they come from.  So, when you state "we should all move out" you are taking a big liberty in speaking for the rest of us.  While I know that the US has its faults, I hate to burst your bubble, but all countries have theirs.  I have spent much time in Canada, Italy, and Australia as well as having family in England and Italy and I can honestly say there were things I loved about those countries and would love to live in any of them someday for a period of time, but I also know after speaking with many people in each of these places, that all countries have their downfalls.  So, Good Luck to you in finding your perfect country!






By the way, earlier you called the circumcision procedure performed on my son the rot it off method or something and that it is no longer common.  I am not sure what class you are taking or where you are getting your statistics, but of the three most common procedures for performing circumcision in the US it is one of the three and in the state I am from it is the most common.






Cori





That conversation was about people who were "bashing" the unisted states. If you didnt bash it wasn't about you, was it?



 



Surgical circumcision is the most common nationally, and I called yours the rot off method because that, essentially, is what happens. You are cutting blood flow off from living tissue until it is dead and falls off.

Cori - posted on 06/05/2009

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Quoting LaCi:









I have every intention of moving out. I don't believe the troops are fighting for freedom. They are fighting for control, not their fault they're just doing their job. its our government I dislike, not the military, but youre absolutely right, we should all move out. 






LaCi,



Please don't speak for everyone.  Just speak for yourself.  I actually love living in the United States and having the freedoms and opportunities that I have, such as "Freedom of Speech" which you exercise so well.  There are also many others who feel their families have better opportunities here than in the countries they come from.  So, when you state "we should all move out" you are taking a big liberty in speaking for the rest of us.  While I know that the US has its faults, I hate to burst your bubble, but all countries have theirs.  I have spent much time in Canada, Italy, and Australia as well as having family in England and Italy and I can honestly say there were things I loved about those countries and would love to live in any of them someday for a period of time, but I also know after speaking with many people in each of these places, that all countries have their downfalls.  So, Good Luck to you in finding your perfect country!



By the way, earlier you called the circumcision procedure performed on my son the rot it off method or something and that it is no longer common.  I am not sure what class you are taking or where you are getting your statistics, but of the three most common procedures for performing circumcision in the US it is one of the three and in the state I am from it is the most common.



Cori

Kandace - posted on 06/05/2009

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Strong statement, however if you would ask many of the troops and their families they do believe they are fighting for our freedom, just like the many who have died defending our freedom.

LaCi - posted on 06/05/2009

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Quoting Kandace:



Quoting Natasha:




Quoting Ashley:

i love how some ppl are sitting there saying it's torture or we are sick in the head for doing it. hmmmm funny how my son doesnt remember one bit of it. he loves me to death and cries whenever i leave the room but yet i tortured him? you guys have your opinions on it and that's fine. but DON'T EVER say that i'm sick in the head for doing it. you dont know me and if i recall Melissa, in another thread you were quite upset because people were judging you for the way you raise your daughter so who do u think you are saying that ppl that circumsize are sick in the head? that's the RUDEST thing i have read on here. keep your nasty comments to yourself.








Well said.....that is very rude to say things like that. just because you have them circumsize does not mean you love them any less.










agreed.. and whats with people on here bashing the us?? if some of you hate it so much maybe you should move out, so people like my husband don't have fight for your freedom in a country you hate!!





I have every intention of moving out. I don't believe the troops are fighting for freedom. They are fighting for control, not their fault they're just doing their job. its our government I dislike, not the military, but youre absolutely right, we should all move out. 

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Quoting Melissa:

It was just a low blow thats all Kandace, It is sad people will actually stoop that low with if you actually look there are alot of people from the U.S saying circumsizing is wrong and the fact is it doesnt matter where you come from on whether you circumsize or not. If you are stupid or not. It is just an individuals choice not a country as whole. Our countries stand for freedom


freedom is a relative concept.

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Wow, an awful lot being said. I am on both sides of this equation. My two older boys are circ'd and my youngest is not. We've simply made it a non issue in our home. There are much more important things to focus on. When I had my first two back in '94 and '96, I didn't have a whole lot of knowledge about it and did it bc I thought it was best. With my 3rd child (born in '06) I had way more knowledge, researched it like crazy and prayed even more. What it boiled down to for us is that there are no religious reasons for it according to the New Testament so...ok, mark that off our list. Then we weighed the issues of infection and all that could happen if we left it alone and simply decided it was his body part to do with as he wishes when he's older. Again...we made a decision based on what we believe is in the best interest of our child.
I'm neither a bad mother for circing my first two or for not circing my 3rd. It's also NOT what makes me a good mother. I went with my own feelings and convictions and really don't care what others think about it. At the end of the day, I'm accountable to God and God alone as to whether or not I obeyed what He is leading me to do. To be honest, I'm not so sure He cares about this issue nearly as much as people do.
It's interesting to me that people assume THEIR beliefs are automatically right and everyone else's are wrong. Why try to make people feel badly about a decision they can't undo. Why be insulting. It's interesting how defensive the "non" circ's are being. I've apologized to my older boys for taking away the choice for them. But I DO NOT in any way, shape or form feel guilty for it bc I did what I thought was best for them at the time. There is no reason to condemn a person for that.
I'm sensing (in some of the people who are against circ.) a very pious attitude as if you think you are better than others. There is an air of superiority and judgment that is most unattractive. It's silly to waste time trying to defend your principles. If your principles are truth, they need no defense. And it's ridiculous to think for a moment that you love your child/ren more than those who choose to circ. Often, we are convinced that the way we think is RIGHT ON...never stopping for a moment to consider we are all flawed individuals who sometimes have faulty thinking. Consideration for others beliefs and standards would be wise.



amen, sister!

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My son is c'd because I'd never seen a penis in all my "conquests" that wasn't, lol. But also, when I was young, my best friend had several young siblings; her mom was from Barbados, and one of these siblings was an infant. I'll never forget the time I went into the bathroom when she was bathing him and she was just babbling to him in baby talk when she says "Alright now, let's get the cheese out of the doggie" ("doggie" was her afectionado for penis) and she proceeds to wriggle the tiny little wizzer when this "stuff" squeezes out, like popping a zit almost.



Apparently, it traumatized me.



Fast forward to my hospital stay after a c-section with my first child, a son, and I am asked about this procedure by the doctor. It was almost a reflex when I said "yes". When they rolled him away, I'll admit, I started second guessing myself, imagining my tiny little helpless baby having his wizzer slaughtered!



But it didn't take long before they rolled him back into the room and he was---sleeping! The care was easier than his belly button, so I never ended up regretting my decision.



That's it, nothing religious, nothing political.

Melissa - posted on 06/05/2009

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It was just a low blow thats all Kandace, It is sad people will actually stoop that low with if you actually look there are alot of people from the U.S saying circumsizing is wrong and the fact is it doesnt matter where you come from on whether you circumsize or not. If you are stupid or not. It is just an individuals choice not a country as whole. Our countries stand for freedom

Kandace - posted on 06/05/2009

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No one really should be bashing anyones counrty, just because someone in a country says something does not mean that everyone in that counrty feels that way. And what does a disscussion of circumcision have to do with ones country? I mean I know some counrtys have different ways of doing things, but who is to say any choice made about circumcision is right or wrong? Some people should stop tring to be rude and just accept that people are going to choose to do it or not, it is their choice as the parent. And people have their reasons for doing it or not doing it. I had my son done and if our baby in December is a boy we will have him done. I respect people's reasons for not having it done, but I don't deserve to be called a bad mom because I chose to do it, my son loves me either way.

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Quoting Kandace:



Quoting Natasha:




Quoting Ashley:

i love how some ppl are sitting there saying it's torture or we are sick in the head for doing it. hmmmm funny how my son doesnt remember one bit of it. he loves me to death and cries whenever i leave the room but yet i tortured him? you guys have your opinions on it and that's fine. but DON'T EVER say that i'm sick in the head for doing it. you dont know me and if i recall Melissa, in another thread you were quite upset because people were judging you for the way you raise your daughter so who do u think you are saying that ppl that circumsize are sick in the head? that's the RUDEST thing i have read on here. keep your nasty comments to yourself.








Well said.....that is very rude to say things like that. just because you have them circumsize does not mean you love them any less.










agreed.. and whats with people on here bashing the us?? if some of you hate it so much maybe you should move out, so people like my husband don't have fight for your freedom in a country you hate!!





I think people who bash our countries Canada or U.s or any country for that matter should maybe go see what our troops do for us they need some reality great post To Bridget as well people should not as a country as whole that is ridiculous it is that ignorance that keeps racism going but I am not shocked to see the person who dissed u.s as a whole country the same one to say aboriginals should not have babies.

Kandace - posted on 06/05/2009

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Quoting Ashley:

i love how some ppl are sitting there saying it's torture or we are sick in the head for doing it. hmmmm funny how my son doesnt remember one bit of it. he loves me to death and cries whenever i leave the room but yet i tortured him? you guys have your opinions on it and that's fine. but DON'T EVER say that i'm sick in the head for doing it. you dont know me and if i recall Melissa, in another thread you were quite upset because people were judging you for the way you raise your daughter so who do u think you are saying that ppl that circumsize are sick in the head? that's the RUDEST thing i have read on here. keep your nasty comments to yourself.






Well said.....that is very rude to say things like that. just because you have them circumsize does not mean you love them any less.






agreed.. and whats with people on here bashing the us?? if some of you hate it so much maybe you should move out, so people like my husband don't have fight for your freedom in a country you hate!!

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Quoting Ashley:

i love how some ppl are sitting there saying it's torture or we are sick in the head for doing it. hmmmm funny how my son doesnt remember one bit of it. he loves me to death and cries whenever i leave the room but yet i tortured him? you guys have your opinions on it and that's fine. but DON'T EVER say that i'm sick in the head for doing it. you dont know me and if i recall Melissa, in another thread you were quite upset because people were judging you for the way you raise your daughter so who do u think you are saying that ppl that circumsize are sick in the head? that's the RUDEST thing i have read on here. keep your nasty comments to yourself.



Well said.....that is very rude to say things like that. just because you have them circumsize does not mean you love them any less.

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My two sons are both circumcised. My husband and I both wanted it done for cleanliness and looks. I wanted them to look like my husband. I would rather have it done when there 2 days old then when their older. They both healed just fine and won't remember a thing when there older.

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i was a single mother when i had my son so i opted to circumcise because i didnt want him when he grew up to feel "different". and when he grew up want to make that descision to be circumcised because it can be very painful the older they get!! however i think that it is the new "trend" to not circumcise. it is a religious thing but also an american thing. i know that there can be a risk of infection but just keep it clean! my son wipes himself everytime he goes to the bathroom as if he were uncircumcised. either way it is a parental descision because the child cant speak for himself. just follow your beliefs and heart!


 



Here's a thought- babies feel pain too. It can be more painful the older they get? Are you even kidding me!? That is the saddest excuse to mutilate a newborn, because you are completely 110% wrong.



 



And this part isnt directed to you, but to everyone here who said they circ'd because "omg he might have a problem later in life!1"



My grandfather died of brain cancer in 2005. Does that mean I should remove my childs brain? My grandmother died of colon cancer a few months ago. Perhaps I should get the colon removed as well. And right now I have an infected fingernail that's REALLY hurting me. I guess I should just keep pulling my sons finger nails off so he never goes through this pain! I mean, he's only 17 months he doesnt care. Because babies totally dont feel pain! He isnt even a human! He's a baby who has no right to his body, am i right?



 



Ignorant.

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i dont even belive in the religious reason, im sure God will forgive us leaving out son's in 1 peice. doing this to girls is horrible but to boys is okay? hmmm...i have 2 boys and when my hubby said he wanted it done i told him to hold his son while it was happening, he wouldnt want be in the room, so did he think our son would? they don't feel it? Malarky! i would challlenge ANYone to put cream on ANY given body part and think that will stop the pain while the flesh was being taken off. some say its preventative but we dont remove anything else at birth "just in case"... how about the appendix? No, absolutely silliness! if a problem arises later then deal with it. it can be uncomfortable while, every couple years, the penis is trying to loosen the foreskin. so you put a little polysporin in on the "head" and cover it with the foreskin. problem solved. Many places won't even peirce our babies ears until they are old enough to say they want it done, but we will readily cut skin off their penis'? why don't we wait until our little boys come to us and ask for THAT done? i have a sneaking suspision THAT`LL never happen!

for those of you that would point it out, i know that with the girls getting it done it is for differant reasons, differant procedure, differant results.

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i was a single mother when i had my son so i opted to circumcise because i didnt want him when he grew up to feel "different". and when he grew up want to make that descision to be circumcised because it can be very painful the older they get!! however i think that it is the new "trend" to not circumcise. it is a religious thing but also an american thing. i know that there can be a risk of infection but just keep it clean! my son wipes himself everytime he goes to the bathroom as if he were uncircumcised. either way it is a parental descision because the child cant speak for himself. just follow your beliefs and heart!

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Quoting Stacey:

I got my son circumcised and will if i have another boy. I dont look at it as cosmetic rather than for health reasons. My fiance and I discussed it before our son was even born. We didnt mutalate our son. He did fine and healed in a week. Besides it's better to do it while they are young so they dont remember. Men have MORE problems with it as they age so letting them decided when he get older wasnt an option. Ask any man...they dont care they have a piece of skin missing. It still works. Seems the only people with problems are women.



i tottally agree! i had my son done n he didnt even know.better while hes a baby then later! i dont look at it as cosmetic

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I got my son circumcised and will if i have another boy. I dont look at it as cosmetic rather than for health reasons. My fiance and I discussed it before our son was even born. We didnt mutalate our son. He did fine and healed in a week. Besides it's better to do it while they are young so they dont remember. Men have MORE problems with it as they age so letting them decided when he get older wasnt an option. Ask any man...they dont care they have a piece of skin missing. It still works. Seems the only people with problems are women.



i tottally agree! i had my son done n he didnt even know.better while hes a baby then later! i dont look at it as cosmetic

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It is really up to you, I have 2 boys and didn't have it done to both at birth, but my youngest had a problem and had to have it done at 8 yrs old, this year. It didn't bother him that much just cost a lot more, like $6,000. But my oldest son who is 12 years has never had a problem, like I said it is really up to you.

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Also, do people realize that most circumcisions are performed without anaesthetic. Babies are strapped into a restraint, keeping their legs apart, and their arms and abdomen down, because when they have their penises sliced open, they scream and struggle. Also, because a baby's prepuce is usually naturally adherent to the glans (this is true of both males and females), it must first be torn away in order to perform the circumcision. The doctor applies clamps and inserts the nose of a pliers-like instrument to tear away the foreskin from the glans. It's not a very pleasant procedure to put it mildly. There is a video of the procedure on YouTube. I didn't have the stomach to watch it:


Surprisingly enough, we have to watch these videos in class- both female and male circumcision- and the medical male circumcision was more painful to watch than the female. I'm sure it was partly because the female was consenting and the male was just a baby. But it was absolutely brutal, we were all sick to our stomachs after the male circumcision. I think the same video is available on youtube listed as "full length circumcision" 

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Also, do people realize that most circumcisions are performed without anaesthetic. Babies are strapped into a restraint, keeping their legs apart, and their arms and abdomen down, because when they have their penises sliced open, they scream and struggle. Also, because a baby's prepuce is usually naturally adherent to the glans (this is true of both males and females), it must first be torn away in order to perform the circumcision. The doctor applies clamps and inserts the nose of a pliers-like instrument to tear away the foreskin from the glans. It's not a very pleasant procedure to put it mildly. There is a video of the procedure on YouTube. I didn't have the stomach to watch it.



Here's a link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmX6RdRNo...

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Here's another interesting bit of information to consider:

Morris Sorrells of National Organization of Circumcision Information Resources Center and colleagues created a "penile sensitivity map" by measuring the sensitivity of 19 locations on the penises of 159 male volunteers. Of the participants, 91 were circumcised as infants and none had histories of penile or sexual dysfunction.

For circumcised penises, the most sensitive region was the circumcision scar on the underside of the penis, the researchers found. For uncircumcised penises, the areas most receptive to pressure were five regions normally removed during circumcision — all of which were more sensitive than the most sensitive part of the circumcised penis.

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Quoting Esther:



Quoting Stacey:

I got my son circumcised and will if i have another boy. I dont look at it as cosmetic rather than for health reasons. My fiance and I discussed it before our son was even born. We didnt mutalate our son. He did fine and healed in a week. Besides it's better to do it while they are young so they dont remember. Men have MORE problems with it as they age so letting them decided when he get older wasnt an option. Ask any man...they dont care they have a piece of skin missing. It still works. Seems the only people with problems are women.






The health reasons really aren't compelling for me at all. I'm Dutch and in Europe I don't think anyone circumcizes their children unless it's for medical or religious reasons and I don't think they are any unhealthier than American kids. My husband had to have a circumcision as an adult for a medical reason (freak accident type) and he's not particularly happy about "missing that piece of skin". Also, I don't think it's true that "any man" who was circumcized as a kid doesn't care and that it's just us women. Andrew Sullivan (www.dailydish.com) for example was circumcized as an infant and he's definitely not happy about it and has written extensively about it. He also had several of his readers write in who shared his sentiments. I don't see any downside to leaving my son intact.





I'm sure european kids are actually MUCH healthier than american kids, overall, as a whole. If its only popular in the states, its probably not a good idea.

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Quoting Stacey:

I got my son circumcised and will if i have another boy. I dont look at it as cosmetic rather than for health reasons. My fiance and I discussed it before our son was even born. We didnt mutalate our son. He did fine and healed in a week. Besides it's better to do it while they are young so they dont remember. Men have MORE problems with it as they age so letting them decided when he get older wasnt an option. Ask any man...they dont care they have a piece of skin missing. It still works. Seems the only people with problems are women.




The health reasons really aren't compelling for me at all. I'm Dutch and in Europe I don't think anyone circumcizes their children unless it's for medical or religious reasons and I don't think they are any unhealthier than American kids. My husband had to have a circumcision as an adult for a medical reason (freak accident type) and he's not particularly happy about "missing that piece of skin". Also, I don't think it's true that "any man" who was circumcized as a kid doesn't care and that it's just us women. Andrew Sullivan (http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/) for example was circumcized as an infant and he's definitely not happy about it and has written extensively about it. He also had several of his readers write in who shared his sentiments. I don't see any downside to leaving my son intact.

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Hubby and I decided that if we ever have a boy that we wouldn't get him circumcised, simply because we don't think its necessary. Hubby wasn't, and has only had ONE UTI in his 26 years of life... just after a really bad flu. We believe in leaving it alone, if the kid wants it done, they'll get it done regardless of discomfort. If the child is circumcised due to medical issues, then thats because its what is best for the child.

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Quoting Bridget :



Quoting Melissa:




Quoting Samantha:





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im with Emily would never torture my child in that way it sickens me. anyway who does is screwed in the head.










Melissa, I understand that you wouldn't want you child circumcised but to say that anybody that does get their son circumcised is screwed in the head is kind of rude.  You have you reasons for not getting doing the circumcision just like I had my reasons for getting my son circumcised.  You can't go around insulting people though just because they don't agree with your thinking.












 








why not theres some shocking excuses for motehrs on thsi site who insult me for not agreeing with my methods and even make up crap about me so i figure if you can beat em join em. i guess im just in shock that it can be such a routine and common thing in the US. im australia its most defiantely not. you'd have to go and see a specialist before they'd consider it i would think its actually un usual to see someone circumsized. i dont know i think the US just have to do certain things because they seem to think they are better then everyone else. they are some fantastic peolpe there but some of the ways of thinking are disturbing.









You yourself is the only sorry excuse for a mom... Go back read your posts lady. Such a mature post by the way how do you hold your maturity standards so high aww they did  it now I will that will show them whatever..By the way alot of moms here are from the U.S not the country Id be bashing  if I were you. Itd be like myself saying you make all Australians look stupid but you dont you make yourself look stupid I see alot of Australian moms here are great... It is so ignorant to diss a country as whole.





 I thought this was funny. But I'm from the US,  and i totally agree. BASH AWAY.  Maybe one day I'll leave this godforsaken country. 

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Always a sensitive topic even in Australia I did have my 3 boys done for medical reasons as my first son had reflux on both kidneys and regular uniary tract infections which are extreamly painful, not to mention dangeroulsy high fevers, However I traveled about 1000kms to a leading doctor where it was performed with a local anistetic cream and mild secative, also using "the plastibell" method which elimiates the need for stiches and makes it almost impossible to "botch" the procedure

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In response to Jessica who had both her boys circumsized. Why do it when they are young so they do not remember if it is not a painful procedure? and secondly he was fine and healed within a week which means you knowingly injured him...... Just a thought

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My son was circ'ed. I was 19 when I had him and did little to no research on it. I don't regret it.. He's perfectly fine and healthy. BUT, I can say If I ever have another boy I don't think I will get him circ'ed. It's really not a huge issue for me. Circ'ed or not, We, as mothers, do what WE feel is best for our children and for those of you that talk down on those who have circ'ed is just showing how unsure you are of yourselves. Lets grow up and state facts about the topic at hand instead of telling those who DID circ their children that they are horrible mothers, ignorant, etc.

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Kristy im so glad to hear this that they dont do it over here very easy. makes me feel alot more comfortable. Even though i dont agree with your decision im so glad you posted this cause i was unsure

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Quoting Melissa:



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Quoting Melissa:

im with Emily would never torture my child in that way it sickens me. anyway who does is screwed in the head.








Melissa, I understand that you wouldn't want you child circumcised but to say that anybody that does get their son circumcised is screwed in the head is kind of rude.  You have you reasons for not getting doing the circumcision just like I had my reasons for getting my son circumcised.  You can't go around insulting people though just because they don't agree with your thinking.









 






why not theres some shocking excuses for motehrs on thsi site who insult me for not agreeing with my methods and even make up crap about me so i figure if you can beat em join em. i guess im just in shock that it can be such a routine and common thing in the US. im australia its most defiantely not. you'd have to go and see a specialist before they'd consider it i would think its actually un usual to see someone circumsized. i dont know i think the US just have to do certain things because they seem to think they are better then everyone else. they are some fantastic peolpe there but some of the ways of thinking are disturbing.





You yourself is the only sorry excuse for a mom... Go back read your posts lady. Such a mature post by the way how do you hold your maturity standards so high aww they did  it now I will that will show them whatever..By the way alot of moms here are from the U.S not the country Id be bashing  if I were you. Itd be like myself saying you make all Australians look stupid but you dont you make yourself look stupid I see alot of Australian moms here are great... It is so ignorant to diss a country as whole.

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Wow! i see there is lots of opinions about this topic! i live in nsw Australia and i wanted my son who is 12 weeks old now done, i spoke to the doctor and acording to him over here you can only get them done before 6 weeks, or when there 1 years old and there put under anaesthetic also you can only get it done in private hospitals not public and costing up to two thousand to be done. i think it should be done because there is health issues, < ''its a fact ask any doctor''

I really hope i can get my son done iv remberd guysin High school having to get it done because of health issue's are they couldnt walk for days. yeah a baby screams when its done but its over and fogotten about in a matter of hours. sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.. im still very stuck on the situation and im not sure what do do as off yet.

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