Want to open up another can? Circumcision!

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Did you have your sons circumcised or not? If so, why? If not, why not? Discuss. This is mainly an American issue, I know. I've lived in Europe and it did affect my thinking on the topic.

I did NOT have my son circumcised for 3 reasons:

"To look like Dad" is not a compelling reason to me. To look like everyone else is also not valid anymore, in my area it's about 50/50.

There is no medical reason for routinely doing it. The reasons that people usually use are either old wives tales or are extremely rare.

I've seen it done several times and there is no way I could live with myself for doing that to an infant unless there was a life or death good reason for it.

I do think valid reasons exist, as in religious reasons or individual issues that had to be addressed. I just wondered what everyone else's experience had been. I'd also love to hear from Europeans as to what your take on this issue is.

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Kristy Lee - posted on 06/04/2009

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Wow! i see there is lots of opinions about this topic! i live in nsw Australia and i wanted my son who is 12 weeks old now done, i spoke to the doctor and acording to him over here you can only get them done before 6 weeks, or when there 1 years old and there put under anaesthetic also you can only get it done in private hospitals not public and costing up to two thousand to be done. i think it should be done because there is health issues, < ''its a fact ask any doctor''

I really hope i can get my son done iv remberd guysin High school having to get it done because of health issue's are they couldnt walk for days. yeah a baby screams when its done but its over and fogotten about in a matter of hours. sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.. im still very stuck on the situation and im not sure what do do as off yet.

Kristy Lee - posted on 06/04/2009

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Wow! i see there is lots of opinions about this topic! i live in nsw Australia and i wanted my son who is 12 weeks old now done, i spoke to the doctor and acording to him over here you can only get them done before 6 weeks, or when there 1 years old and there put under anaesthetic also you can only get it done in private hospitals not public and costing up to two thousand to be done. i think it should be done because there is health issues, < ''its a fact ask any doctor''

I really hope i can get my son done iv remberd guysin High school having to get it done because of health issue's are they couldnt walk for days. yeah a baby screams when its done but its over and fogotten about in a matter of hours. sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.. im still very stuck on the situation and im not sure what do do as off yet.

Michelle - posted on 06/04/2009

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Oh and btw, I know of three other boys who were born the same year as my son and not circumcised. Not one of them has had an infection or complication of any kind, except for the fact that none of them are in the same gym class.

Minnie - posted on 06/04/2009

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Quoting Sherah:

... All are clean people, but there is a much higher chance of infection if it is not kept absolutely clean in there. And how do you ensure your son cleans it properly throughout the different stages of his life? My boys don't even clean their teeth properly all of the time...





How do you ensure your daughters keep their vulvas properly cleaned throughout the different stages of THEIR lives?  UTIs and yeast infections are quiet common in females.  Maybe female circumcision SHOULD be legal- then we wouldn't have all those 'yucky' folds down there, it would be nice and smooth, no place for dirt to get caught, etc. etc. 



Simple.  We show them how it's done when they're little, help them, and if they get an infection when they get older we take them to the doctor for antibiotics and miconazole cream. 



Same for little boys.  Show them proper care and if they get an infection take them to the doctor for antibiotics.  What any reasonable person would do.

Michelle - posted on 06/04/2009

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Ok, this post is going to make me look like a total idiot, but my family has razzed me about this for years anyway, so here goes. Truthfully, I was 19 when I got pregnant, and I thought that only Jewish boys got circumcised. I thought that the mushroom look of a circumcised penis was the "natural" look, and that sides of the mushroom were cut off on Jewish boys, making it look pointy. So, when the doctor asked if I wanted my son circumcised, I said "No, we're not Jewish.". He didn't question it any further. I had a few complications, so it was about 2 days after he was born before I personally changed his first diaper. Imagine my surprise to see that the doctor had gone against my wishes and made my son look "Jewish and pointy"! Where was the mushroom??? (Can you just imagine the laughs I got when I made a special appointment in the pediatrician office to discuss the lack of a mushroom on my son's penis?) Anyway, after explaining penises to me, our pediatrician informed me that he was of the belief that it is not medically necessary and that 50% of kids are not circumsiced. He insisted that my son would not be the only kid in gym class who was not circumcised. After hearing what they actually DO to babies, I definitely opted NOT to circumcise.



Well, at 16 years old, he actually IS the only kid in gym class who is not circumcised. Does it bother him? Not really. He's wished a couple of times that he were circumcised, but that's about it. He is perfectly fine with his uncircumcised penis, but then again, he's only 16 and better not be sexually active for another 10-20 years.... maybe he'll change his mind then.. He hasn't had any infections or hygiene issues, as some claim will happen if you do not circumcise. But oh how he loves to tell the story......

Sherah - posted on 06/04/2009

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I have two sons, and I choose to have both circumcised and would do it again tomorrow if I had my time over. I do not push this topic either way, but I have read a lot against this, so I thought I would explain why we had our sons circumcised.

* We made this decision based on getting information on both sides. We spoke to our doctor, midwives and other friends, who all had different opinions. The only medical reasons give to us from our doctor NOT to do this was that they would look different (apparently not as many parents are doing this here in Australia), and that there is a higher chance of it getting burnt (not sure when he was going to use it to toast a marshmellow around the fire or sun bake nude).

* I know three males that had to have this procedure done later in life. One was when he was 4 and is now 21 and still remembers the excruciating pain, because a little piece of sand after a visit to the beach. Another was in his 20's, and another friend was in our final year of high school, and walked around like his had just gotten off a horse for about 2 week - he was so humiliated. All said that is was intensely painful. All are clean people, but there is a much higher chance of infection if it is not kept absolutely clean in there. And how do you ensure your son cleans it properly throughout the different stages of his life? My boys don't even clean their teeth properly all of the time.

At the time, both babies handled the procedure really well, and they both have no memory, obviously, now of it. I am so glad that I had it done.

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Well I dont mean to offend anyone but I simply dont understand why anyone having been given the most precious gift of all - a perfect little baby, would then make the decision to lop a bit off him!

Ive read all the reasonings that people have given here and I still just dont get it.

If its illegal to dock a puppys tail - how come this is still allowed?

Mel - posted on 06/04/2009

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Quoting Emily:



Quoting Amanda:

If I have a boy he will be snipped as soon as they can do it. 1) it looks a hell of a lot better
2) the risk of yeast infection is lower
3)lots of boys who are not cut end up with problems later on and end up getting circumcised as a result.
4)i dont want my kid being the laughing stock of the locker room because his penis looks wrong.
5)uncircumcised boys are harder to clean
6)even though some hippies dispute this fact, they are at a higher risk of std





 






I really have to stop reading this thread. Because it's ignorant comments like this that make me want to bang my head on the desk over and over. Your poor sons.





 



LOL! sorry Amanda i dont mean to be offensive towards you i just found this comment by Emily funny, but i do disagree with everything you have written about STDs especially. As we all know America has the highest rate of STDs and America is the country that seems to think its routine to circumsize. i dont know about the other countries in the world but i do know we dont do it on a regular basis over here its not somethng thats really discussed. But we all have to realise we change these people 's opinions just have to accept that is what they are going to do to their kids i just hope they boys dont hate them for it when they get older

Casey - posted on 06/04/2009

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Wow, an awful lot being said. I am on both sides of this equation. My two older boys are circ'd and my youngest is not. We've simply made it a non issue in our home. There are much more important things to focus on. When I had my first two back in '94 and '96, I didn't have a whole lot of knowledge about it and did it bc I thought it was best. With my 3rd child (born in '06) I had way more knowledge, researched it like crazy and prayed even more. What it boiled down to for us is that there are no religious reasons for it according to the New Testament so...ok, mark that off our list. Then we weighed the issues of infection and all that could happen if we left it alone and simply decided it was his body part to do with as he wishes when he's older. Again...we made a decision based on what we believe is in the best interest of our child.

I'm neither a bad mother for circing my first two or for not circing my 3rd. It's also NOT what makes me a good mother. I went with my own feelings and convictions and really don't care what others think about it. At the end of the day, I'm accountable to God and God alone as to whether or not I obeyed what He is leading me to do. To be honest, I'm not so sure He cares about this issue nearly as much as people do.

It's interesting to me that people assume THEIR beliefs are automatically right and everyone else's are wrong. Why try to make people feel badly about a decision they can't undo. Why be insulting. It's interesting how defensive the "non" circ's are being. I've apologized to my older boys for taking away the choice for them. But I DO NOT in any way, shape or form feel guilty for it bc I did what I thought was best for them at the time. There is no reason to condemn a person for that.

I'm sensing (in some of the people who are against circ.) a very pious attitude as if you think you are better than others. There is an air of superiority and judgment that is most unattractive. It's silly to waste time trying to defend your principles. If your principles are truth, they need no defense. And it's ridiculous to think for a moment that you love your child/ren more than those who choose to circ. Often, we are convinced that the way we think is RIGHT ON...never stopping for a moment to consider we are all flawed individuals who sometimes have faulty thinking. Consideration for others beliefs and standards would be wise.

Emily - posted on 06/04/2009

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Quoting Amanda:

If I have a boy he will be snipped as soon as they can do it. 1) it looks a hell of a lot better
2) the risk of yeast infection is lower
3)lots of boys who are not cut end up with problems later on and end up getting circumcised as a result.
4)i dont want my kid being the laughing stock of the locker room because his penis looks wrong.
5)uncircumcised boys are harder to clean
6)even though some hippies dispute this fact, they are at a higher risk of std


 



I really have to stop reading this thread. Because it's ignorant comments like this that make me want to bang my head on the desk over and over. Your poor sons.

Krista - posted on 06/04/2009

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Quoting Caroline:



Quoting Katie:




Quoting Katie:

I did not make the decision on having our son circumcised, I left that decision up to my husband. He decided that he wanted him to be circucised so that as he got older he wouldn't have to wonder why he didn't look like Daddy.







 








Shouldn't we be covering up around children who are old enough to be asking about the differences between  penises? 








Just a question....no rudeness intended.








 









Hey I just thought I would say that my son is 3 going to be four and we have been working on potty training and to help him with going poop(cause he doesn't want to sit, and in the beginning so he would learn to stand for peeing) we have been letting him watch daddy....and he is old enough to ask, cause he askes about difference between girls and boys all the time.....also too when you only have one bathroom, and daddy is getting out of the shower and you have a little boy that is about to pee his pants, you don't make him wait....LOL....that is just answering to why some might notice the difference.















Seriously, though, I think "looking like Daddy" is the weirdest excuse for getting a circumcision!  I don't get it!  No two penises look the same anyway...especially comparing a grown man's to a child's...and who cares?  Do people really think their sons would wonder or care why their parts don't look exactly like their dad's? 

Krista - posted on 06/04/2009

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Quoting Caroline:



Quoting Katie:




Quoting Katie:

I did not make the decision on having our son circumcised, I left that decision up to my husband. He decided that he wanted him to be circucised so that as he got older he wouldn't have to wonder why he didn't look like Daddy.







 








Shouldn't we be covering up around children who are old enough to be asking about the differences between  penises? 








Just a question....no rudeness intended.








 









Hey I just thought I would say that my son is 3 going to be four and we have been working on potty training and to help him with going poop(cause he doesn't want to sit, and in the beginning so he would learn to stand for peeing) we have been letting him watch daddy....and he is old enough to ask, cause he askes about difference between girls and boys all the time.....also too when you only have one bathroom, and daddy is getting out of the shower and you have a little boy that is about to pee his pants, you don't make him wait....LOL....that is just answering to why some might notice the difference.















Seriously, though, I think "looking like Daddy" is the weirdest excuse for getting a circumcision!  I don't get it!  No two penises look the same anyway...especially comparing a grown man's to a child's...and who cares?  Do people really think their sons would wonder or care why their parts don't look exactly like their dad's? 

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Quoting Katie:



Quoting Katie:

I did not make the decision on having our son circumcised, I left that decision up to my husband. He decided that he wanted him to be circucised so that as he got older he wouldn't have to wonder why he didn't look like Daddy.





 






Shouldn't we be covering up around children who are old enough to be asking about the differences between  penises? 






Just a question....no rudeness intended.






 





Hey I just thought I would say that my son is 3 going to be four and we have been working on potty training and to help him with going poop(cause he doesn't want to sit, and in the beginning so he would learn to stand for peeing) we have been letting him watch daddy....and he is old enough to ask, cause he askes about difference between girls and boys all the time.....also too when you only have one bathroom, and daddy is getting out of the shower and you have a little boy that is about to pee his pants, you don't make him wait....LOL....that is just answering to why some might notice the difference.





Vette - posted on 06/04/2009

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that was another reason not to circumcise, it has the head of the penis desensitized and as a parent i hope my child waits but if not they have at least the most pleasure.

Amanda - posted on 06/04/2009

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Quoting LaCi:

haha. i said its wrong to kick children in the face, its wrong to mutilate them, take away their future pleasure and if they happen to be gay you eliminated a method of sex. what's crazy? you think removing nerve endings doesn't kill sensation. who's crazy?


you need to get over your self. I just started this thread only read the last page and I am allready sick of seeing your name.  any reason a mom choses to circumsize or not is valid. It is not for you to bash moms who chosse to have their son cut. as far as letting them chose when they are older, dont you know that as a male becomes an adult the forskin is thicker and rougher therefor it hurts more than if it were done in infancy.



As far as useing freezing during the procedure, I am in canada and everyone I have talked to has got to see the procedure and their boys recived freezing EVERYONE!



I think you made your point that you are rude and snippy so maybe stop posting now?

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Quoting Margaret:


Quoting Jenifer:


Quoting Sandie:
Bad hygine, not cleaning the penis propery, bad mothers. I dont think so. Phimosis is a medical condition leading to Balanitis. Go look them up, my son had both. When your 7yr old is screaming in pain when he has a wee, then you will do anything to take away his pain. The look of total and utter surprise on his face the first time he passed urine ( 2 hours after his operation) with no stinging pain, it came out in a steady stream, like "all the other boys" and not spraying in all directions. The pain from the operation was far less than that from the infections he suffered. So dont tell me it is purely cosmetic, infections can be cured, until you have been through it do not comment on me, my son or the choices I make for him, I have only ever and only will make the best choices for him, and he will learn from me to make the best choices for himself.


Sandie, I don't doubt that circumcision is sometimes required to treat a medical problem. If I were in your situation and circumcision was the recommended treatment, I'd make the same choice. My point is that just because your son needed to have it done, it doesn't mean that my healthy son should also have the surgery as an infant. We don't remove other healthy parts of the body just because they might have an infection later. If my son has a (rare) problem in the future, we'll deal with it then. My 9 month old at the moment has his first ear infection, and is miserable. But do I regret not having tubes but in when he was a newborn to prevent it? Absolutely not. Like you said, we're all just trying to make the best choices for our babies.





but for families with a history of Severe Otitis media they do take preventative action it just isnt 'tubes' families with a history of breast cancer YES some of the women of these families have their breasts removed so they cant develop it. unless you are a member of a family who has a history of severe or life threatening medical condition, seriously shut up because you have NO IDEA!






First off, I'm not quite sure what I said to offend here. Second, you do not know my medical history based on a few posts you've read on COM, nor do I know yours. I'll try to clarify what I said in my post to Sandie:



Inserting ear tubes and circumcision are both surgeries used in children with repeat infections. They're often a last resort, tried after antibiotics have not been effective. Doctors will not insert tubes into the ears of children who've never had an ear infection; however they frequently remove the foreskins of newborns who've never had a infection. This seems a bit counterintuitive to me, since babies and toddlers are considerably more likely to suffer from ear infections than UTI's. Tympanostomy tubes or circumcision are fine alternatives if your child has chronic problems, but I wouldn't choose a surgery because my healthy child *might* get an infection. Just because some babies genuinely need these surgeries, that doesn't mean all babies should get them routinely.

Amanda - posted on 06/04/2009

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I am currently pregnant and know that I'm having a boy. My husband and I discussed and we are not going to have our little boy circumcized. My reasons are simlar to alot of other posters... there is not enough proof out there for me to believe that it would be more benefical for my son. My DH is circumcised but my little boy has a grandfather and 'uncle' who are not and if he has questions he can easily ask his Nonno or Uncle for advice if Daddy isn't able to. In Ontario, it used to be covered by our provincal health care systems but is no longer. even if I was in a "religion" that dictated that it was nessecary I wouldn't have it done. I just can't imagine intentionally inflicting pain on my child. this is not to "come down on" or "judge" any others who did decide to have the proceedure done... that is your personal choice.



I also wanted to mention that there was a show played on TLC recently which recalled the life of twin boys, one of which was horribly mutilated by a circumcision and was raised as girl... later in life he had psychological problems, was unable to have children and ended up committing suicide. BTW, the foreskin is not supposed to be "forced" back until it does so on it's own... that's what causes infections and it's usually done by the parents who think it needs to be cleaned. I did a lot of research on the subject and as long as you clean the outside at bathtime and teach your child to clean when they are older (most sites say that it starts to retract around age 4 or 5) it shouldn't be a problem... I mean nature did intend for male humans to have these pieces of extra skin. there are alot of other mammals on earth that have foreskins that do not get infections either and their pieces are hanging out with no protection from clothing that we have. ; ) My advice is that if you have questions bring it to your health care provider and don't be afraid to ask for a second opinion if it doesn't match what you believe.



Again, not being judgemental to anybody. Best of luck for all mommies!

Amanda - posted on 06/04/2009

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If I have a boy he will be snipped as soon as they can do it. 1) it looks a hell of a lot better

2) the risk of yeast infection is lower

3)lots of boys who are not cut end up with problems later on and end up getting circumcised as a result.

4)i dont want my kid being the laughing stock of the locker room because his penis looks wrong.

5)uncircumcised boys are harder to clean

6)even though some hippies dispute this fact, they are at a higher risk of std

Amanda - posted on 06/04/2009

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If I have a boy he will be snipped as soon as they can do it. 1) it looks a hell of a lot better

2) the risk of yeast infection is lower

3)lots of boys who are not cut end up with problems later on and end up getting circumcised as a result.

4)i dont want my kid being the laughing stock of the locker room because his penis looks wrong.

5)uncircumcised boys are harder to clean

6)even though some hippies dispute this fact, they are at a higher risk of std

Alison - posted on 06/04/2009

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hi both of my boys weren't circumcised because i wanted them to look like their father & he wasn't done either, anyway nowadays there's no real reason to get it done as it was only neccessary back in the old days in war, & besides i wasn't going to put myboys through that pain, & i also think that neither of my nephews have been done either, so why do some people make such a big deal out of being circumcised or not.....

LaCi - posted on 06/04/2009

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i'm still trying to figure out how you KNOW your son is going to have penile infections based on the fact that a few people in the past have had excess foreskin. If your doctor told you because someone else had excess foreskin he will have infections I think your doctor is a quack. Foreskin can be large and you can still have a completely healthy penis.

Margaret - posted on 06/04/2009

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Quoting LaCi:



Quoting Margaret:

damn shame when the genetics for an oversized foreskin exist on both sides of his genetic contributions isnt it should that mean we just wait and let him endure the repeated infections until it is demanded to be done by the state?

look seriously you arent looking even as intelligent as jenifer and even her ignorance is astounding





 






lmao sooo if every female in our family has large labia we should remove them? we wouldnt want them to get labia cancer, more labia more risk of cancer.  labiaplasty for everyone! hoorah!  And having excess foreskin does not mean you will end up repeated infections.  maybe women who get frequent yeast infections need something cut off.





why dont you go to university specialise in paediatrics and THEN try to tell me it isnt advisable.



just in general I think a stint of education would likely improve your countenence

LaCi - posted on 06/04/2009

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Quoting Margaret:

damn shame when the genetics for an oversized foreskin exist on both sides of his genetic contributions isnt it should that mean we just wait and let him endure the repeated infections until it is demanded to be done by the state?

look seriously you arent looking even as intelligent as jenifer and even her ignorance is astounding


 



lmao sooo if every female in our family has large labia we should remove them? we wouldnt want them to get labia cancer, more labia more risk of cancer.  labiaplasty for everyone! hoorah!  And having excess foreskin does not mean you will end up repeated infections.  maybe women who get frequent yeast infections need something cut off.

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damn shame when the genetics for an oversized foreskin exist on both sides of his genetic contributions isnt it should that mean we just wait and let him endure the repeated infections until it is demanded to be done by the state?

look seriously you arent looking even as intelligent as jenifer and even her ignorance is astounding

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Quoting Margaret:



Quoting LaCi:




Quoting Margaret:





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Quoting Sandie:

Bad hygine, not cleaning the penis propery, bad mothers. I dont think so. Phimosis is a medical condition leading to Balanitis. Go look them up, my son had both. When your 7yr old is screaming in pain when he has a wee, then you will do anything to take away his pain. The look of total and utter surprise on his face the first time he passed urine ( 2 hours after his operation) with no stinging pain, it came out in a steady stream, like "all the other boys" and not spraying in all directions. The pain from the operation was far less than that from the infections he suffered. So dont tell me it is purely cosmetic, infections can be cured, until you have been through it do not comment on me, my son or the choices I make for him, I have only ever and only will make the best choices for him, and he will learn from me to make the best choices for himself.












Sandie, I don't doubt that circumcision is sometimes required to treat a medical problem. If I were in your situation and circumcision was the recommended treatment, I'd make the same choice. My point is that just because your son needed to have it done, it doesn't mean that my healthy son should also have the surgery as an infant. We don't remove other healthy parts of the body just because they might have an infection later. If my son has a (rare) problem in the future, we'll deal with it then. My 9 month old at the moment has his first ear infection, and is miserable. But do I regret not having tubes but in when he was a newborn to prevent it? Absolutely not. Like you said, we're all just trying to make the best choices for our babies.















but for families with a history of Severe Otitis media they do take preventative action it just isnt 'tubes' families with a history of breast cancer YES some of the women of these families have their breasts removed so they cant develop it. unless you are a member of a family who has a history of severe or life threatening medical condition, seriously shut up because you have NO IDEA!












Are there really families that  DON'T have a history of serious medical conditions? I'd like to meet these people.









Jenifer either doesnt or she prefers to be ignorant and not educate herself in relation to them. she also loves displaying her ignorance from the looks of things





Actually I agree with everything jenifer has said, that I have seen. And I have many health problems in my family. But I take natural preventative action for the things I can control, and I hope for the best with the things I cant. I wont have a double mastectomy because breast cancer runs in my family, and I won't do any procedure on my kid because he MAY one day get some kind of infection. You deal with problems when they arrive, IF they do. There are two different sets of genetics going into the kid, hope for the best and take action when you reach a problem. Something might run in my family and he may take after his father. 

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i love how some ppl are sitting there saying it's torture or we are sick in the head for doing it. hmmmm funny how my son doesnt remember one bit of it. he loves me to death and cries whenever i leave the room but yet i tortured him? you guys have your opinions on it and that's fine. but DON'T EVER say that i'm sick in the head for doing it. you dont know me and if i recall Melissa, in another thread you were quite upset because people were judging you for the way you raise your daughter so who do u think you are saying that ppl that circumsize are sick in the head? that's the RUDEST thing i have read on here. keep your nasty comments to yourself.







I agree. My son was circumsized and he didnt cry one bit! i doubt he will be traumatized for life..haha..good god.









haha ya i think my son was more traumatised over the 11 IV's in 3 wks, trying to get an IV in him that took 10 diff tries, surgery for a PICC line, starving him for 6 hrs 4 diff times for an MRI and his surgery, holding him down for an ultrasound on his head and kidney's, put on a bicycle seat with two plastic doors that squished him for an x-ray of his entire body, 3 spinal taps one in which it took 2 nurses to hold him down while the dr tried 3 diff times to get the needle into his spine, and blood taken from his arms to the pt where they were both bruised. so when it comes to torturing my child i know allllll about it. his circumsision didnt bother me one bit compared to everything else i had to watch!!!!





right?! My son was born with hypothyroidism because of the meds i had to take during pregnancy. he had to get his blood drawn about a freakin million times when he was first born up until now! im not saying oh once a month. they stuck so many needles in him i couldnt even tell you how many times. at least once a week in the beginning. i had to hold him down, now that was torture for him. aww..our poor little guys!

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Quoting Sandie:

Bad hygine, not cleaning the penis propery, bad mothers. I dont think so. Phimosis is a medical condition leading to Balanitis. Go look them up, my son had both. When your 7yr old is screaming in pain when he has a wee, then you will do anything to take away his pain. The look of total and utter surprise on his face the first time he passed urine ( 2 hours after his operation) with no stinging pain, it came out in a steady stream, like "all the other boys" and not spraying in all directions. The pain from the operation was far less than that from the infections he suffered. So dont tell me it is purely cosmetic, infections can be cured, until you have been through it do not comment on me, my son or the choices I make for him, I have only ever and only will make the best choices for him, and he will learn from me to make the best choices for himself.










Sandie, I don't doubt that circumcision is sometimes required to treat a medical problem. If I were in your situation and circumcision was the recommended treatment, I'd make the same choice. My point is that just because your son needed to have it done, it doesn't mean that my healthy son should also have the surgery as an infant. We don't remove other healthy parts of the body just because they might have an infection later. If my son has a (rare) problem in the future, we'll deal with it then. My 9 month old at the moment has his first ear infection, and is miserable. But do I regret not having tubes but in when he was a newborn to prevent it? Absolutely not. Like you said, we're all just trying to make the best choices for our babies.












but for families with a history of Severe Otitis media they do take preventative action it just isnt 'tubes' families with a history of breast cancer YES some of the women of these families have their breasts removed so they cant develop it. unless you are a member of a family who has a history of severe or life threatening medical condition, seriously shut up because you have NO IDEA!









Are there really families that  DON'T have a history of serious medical conditions? I'd like to meet these people.





Jenifer either doesnt or she prefers to be ignorant and not educate herself in relation to them. she also loves displaying her ignorance from the looks of things

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Quoting Stacey:

I got my son circumcised and will if i have another boy. I dont look at it as cosmetic rather than for health reasons. My fiance and I discussed it before our son was even born. We didnt mutalate our son. He did fine and healed in a week. Besides it's better to do it while they are young so they dont remember. Men have MORE problems with it as they age so letting them decided when he get older wasnt an option. Ask any man...they dont care they have a piece of skin missing. It still works. Seems the only people with problems are women.






Actually, I think this is a bit too general in reference to"Ask any man...they don't care". I know several men who cared after they understood what they have lost. And women are NOT the only ones who care about this issue. And it's antagonistic to say women have "problems" with it. The reasons being sited by the women who care are well thought out. What I have seen is, (often but not always) those who choose circumcision have invested little thought into the reasons why or the consequences (good and bad). My first two were circumcised and my 3rd was not. I did not know any better the first two times and the 3rd time I was much more educated on the issue. That's not to say EVERYONE is uneducated...but I was. And when I researched it and took time to consider and pray about it, we (my husband and I equally) were led to leave our son intact. I even went so far as to apologize to my older two for making that choice for them instead of leaving it up to them. (They are teenagers now.)





 



I also know men who cared, my boyfriend, he understand what he lost when they cut off his foreskin. There are also men who go to great lengths to attempt to regain foreskin, which is a very painful, long process, and it usually doesn't work. But they do it holding on to some form of hope that they may regain what was taken from them. 



There needs to be circumcision education. I had never thought about the issue until college, when it was a big issue in a few sex in society courses. And had I not taken that class I may have not thought about it, and circumcised my son. Maybe not since my boyfriends is very much against it, but who knows? 

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Quoting Stacey:

I got my son circumcised and will if i have another boy. I dont look at it as cosmetic rather than for health reasons. My fiance and I discussed it before our son was even born. We didnt mutalate our son. He did fine and healed in a week. Besides it's better to do it while they are young so they dont remember. Men have MORE problems with it as they age so letting them decided when he get older wasnt an option. Ask any man...they dont care they have a piece of skin missing. It still works. Seems the only people with problems are women.



Actually, I think this is a bit too general in reference to"Ask any man...they don't care". I know several men who cared after they understood what they have lost. And women are NOT the only ones who care about this issue. And it's antagonistic to say women have "problems" with it. The reasons being sited by the women who care are well thought out. What I have seen is, (often but not always) those who choose circumcision have invested little thought into the reasons why or the consequences (good and bad). My first two were circumcised and my 3rd was not. I did not know any better the first two times and the 3rd time I was much more educated on the issue. That's not to say EVERYONE is uneducated...but I was. And when I researched it and took time to consider and pray about it, we (my husband and I equally) were led to leave our son intact. I even went so far as to apologize to my older two for making that choice for them instead of leaving it up to them. (They are teenagers now.)

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Quoting Margaret:



Quoting Jenifer:




Quoting Sandie:

Bad hygine, not cleaning the penis propery, bad mothers. I dont think so. Phimosis is a medical condition leading to Balanitis. Go look them up, my son had both. When your 7yr old is screaming in pain when he has a wee, then you will do anything to take away his pain. The look of total and utter surprise on his face the first time he passed urine ( 2 hours after his operation) with no stinging pain, it came out in a steady stream, like "all the other boys" and not spraying in all directions. The pain from the operation was far less than that from the infections he suffered. So dont tell me it is purely cosmetic, infections can be cured, until you have been through it do not comment on me, my son or the choices I make for him, I have only ever and only will make the best choices for him, and he will learn from me to make the best choices for himself.








Sandie, I don't doubt that circumcision is sometimes required to treat a medical problem. If I were in your situation and circumcision was the recommended treatment, I'd make the same choice. My point is that just because your son needed to have it done, it doesn't mean that my healthy son should also have the surgery as an infant. We don't remove other healthy parts of the body just because they might have an infection later. If my son has a (rare) problem in the future, we'll deal with it then. My 9 month old at the moment has his first ear infection, and is miserable. But do I regret not having tubes but in when he was a newborn to prevent it? Absolutely not. Like you said, we're all just trying to make the best choices for our babies.









but for families with a history of Severe Otitis media they do take preventative action it just isnt 'tubes' families with a history of breast cancer YES some of the women of these families have their breasts removed so they cant develop it. unless you are a member of a family who has a history of severe or life threatening medical condition, seriously shut up because you have NO IDEA!





Are there really families that  DON'T have a history of serious medical conditions? I'd like to meet these people.

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Quoting Jenifer:



Quoting Sandie:

Bad hygine, not cleaning the penis propery, bad mothers. I dont think so. Phimosis is a medical condition leading to Balanitis. Go look them up, my son had both. When your 7yr old is screaming in pain when he has a wee, then you will do anything to take away his pain. The look of total and utter surprise on his face the first time he passed urine ( 2 hours after his operation) with no stinging pain, it came out in a steady stream, like "all the other boys" and not spraying in all directions. The pain from the operation was far less than that from the infections he suffered. So dont tell me it is purely cosmetic, infections can be cured, until you have been through it do not comment on me, my son or the choices I make for him, I have only ever and only will make the best choices for him, and he will learn from me to make the best choices for himself.






Sandie, I don't doubt that circumcision is sometimes required to treat a medical problem. If I were in your situation and circumcision was the recommended treatment, I'd make the same choice. My point is that just because your son needed to have it done, it doesn't mean that my healthy son should also have the surgery as an infant. We don't remove other healthy parts of the body just because they might have an infection later. If my son has a (rare) problem in the future, we'll deal with it then. My 9 month old at the moment has his first ear infection, and is miserable. But do I regret not having tubes but in when he was a newborn to prevent it? Absolutely not. Like you said, we're all just trying to make the best choices for our babies.





but for families with a history of Severe Otitis media they do take preventative action it just isnt 'tubes' families with a history of breast cancer YES some of the women of these families have their breasts removed so they cant develop it. unless you are a member of a family who has a history of severe or life threatening medical condition, seriously shut up because you have NO IDEA!

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Quoting Alisha:
 I believe that it does take the sensitivey away, like it does for a female. 


female and male circumcison cannot even be compared they are exceptionally different procedures influencing very different parts of the body.

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there are in fact medical reasons for it to be done, my brothers were both done early my nephew wasnt and developed quite an infection and then it had to be done when he was six. there are quite a number of medical reasons behind having it done in some families.



If I had boys I would have it done early and save them the experience of their cousin

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well now that we have a son after our 4 beautiful girls, my husband and I had a lot of long talks over it. Not doing it won out for us, my son does not "look" like dad but we really weighed it out it. We asked my mil and she told us "it was the thing to do at the time". That helped us make the choice , didnt want to put our son through unnecessary pain. We are in our 40s with this last baby but I think we made the right choice and wouldnt go back.

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Quoting Ashley:

i love how some ppl are sitting there saying it's torture or we are sick in the head for doing it. hmmmm funny how my son doesnt remember one bit of it. he loves me to death and cries whenever i leave the room but yet i tortured him? you guys have your opinions on it and that's fine. but DON'T EVER say that i'm sick in the head for doing it. you dont know me and if i recall Melissa, in another thread you were quite upset because people were judging you for the way you raise your daughter so who do u think you are saying that ppl that circumsize are sick in the head? that's the RUDEST thing i have read on here. keep your nasty comments to yourself.





I agree. My son was circumsized and he didnt cry one bit! i doubt he will be traumatized for life..haha..good god.





haha ya i think my son was more traumatised over the 11 IV's in 3 wks, trying to get an IV in him that took 10 diff tries, surgery for a PICC line, starving him for 6 hrs 4 diff times for an MRI and his surgery, holding him down for an ultrasound on his head and kidney's, put on a bicycle seat with two plastic doors that squished him for an x-ray of his entire body, 3 spinal taps one in which it took 2 nurses to hold him down while the dr tried 3 diff times to get the needle into his spine, and blood taken from his arms to the pt where they were both bruised. so when it comes to torturing my child i know allllll about it. his circumsision didnt bother me one bit compared to everything else i had to watch!!!!

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To those of you that believe that not circumcising your son can cause infections, someone, somewhere has misinformed you. There have been many recent studies that show that children with uncircumcised penises have no health problems whatsoever. In fact there is a mucus inside the skin of the penis that helps to prevent any infection or bacteria from forming. A secretion that is no longer created after circumcision. Also, the history of circumcision in the US is because during one of the World Wars, men were down in the trenches day in and day out and they were getting infected because they were not clean. So, therefore, in order to try to take care of this problem, they started circumcising. It then became popular belief that it was unsanitary to be uncircumcised. The US is the only country in the world who do male circumcision at this rate. Most other countries and cultures do not practice this. I am also wondering which religious views warrant circumcision? I am a Christian and our faith does not dictate male circumcision. Also, my husband is circumcised, but we chose not to with our son after many discussions with friends and with doctors. My husband did not feel that his son needed to "look" like him and we found from these discussions that there was no health risk in having an uncircumcised penis. With anything, you need to keep it clean and there will be no issues. In fact, many insurance agencies will no longer pay for circumcision because it is considered cosmetic, rather than for health reasons.



Actually, circumcisions were done in the US before this time.  About 30% of newborn males were circumcised.  Yes, the rate did go up after the War partially for the reasons you mentioned, but other medical studies also caused this increase.  The 30% rate was actually comparable to other European countries at the time, but many of those countries had a decline in this rate around the time of the Wars for numerous reasons, two of which are in some countries at this time the government was paying for health care and this was one way to cut costs, the second being that as it is a Jewish tradition and at the time a circumcised penis was correlated with a person being Jewish even if that person was not, many families chose not to at this point because they did not want their children mistaken for being Jewish and taken into camps and much worse.  Regardless of my opinion on male circumcision, whether guided or unguided at the time these changes were taking place in both countries, I feel parents making the choice to circumcise do to health reasons is a better choice than just not wanting your children to be associated with the Jewish community, but then again I was not living at that time nor did I have to go through the changes or consequences going on at those times so i cannot honestly say what my choice would have been then.  Also, the US is not the only country in the world to do circumcisions at this rate.  Korea also has a very high rate of circumcisions, but they tend to perform these circumcisions on adolescent males as opposed to newborns.



 



Here are a few links I found for info for anyone actually wanting to look up some of the information for themselves.



AMA--  Please be aware that if you Google AMA and circumcision it actually directs you to two other cites that are for organizations opposing circumcision that have copied the AMA report and then added in their own commentation.  You actually have to go to the AMA site to get the report.



http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/no-index/abo...



 



AAP-- Both the AMA and the AAP do not make a statement for or against circumcision.  They actually state that medical professionals should make parents aware of both the medical benefits as well as the risks of circumcision and the parent should make the informed decision.  They are against doctors putting forth a reccomendation is all that it states.  This site does give detailed information of many of the aspects of circumcision.



http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi... 



There are numerous links to studies providing statistics at the bottom of the report by the AAP for anyone interested in looking at the statisitics for themselves.  when looking at the statistics for percentage of circumcision by state , county, or total for US please read on to find out how the information was gotten.  While I was sifting through articles I found contradicting information and realized that some reports are based solely on those performed in hospitals, which will not include the number of children circumcised in the two to three weeks after birth in pediatric offices or in religious ceremonies so those percentages will be low.  Also, differences from state to state have been correlated to diversity differences and in many states the white population is not the group with the highest circumcision rate for those of you stating that it is mainly popular in the caucasion population.



 

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I did not make the decision on having our son circumcised, I left that decision up to my husband. He decided that he wanted him to be circucised so that as he got older he wouldn't have to wonder why he didn't look like Daddy.


 



Shouldn't we be covering up around children who are old enough to be asking about the differences between  penises? 



Just a question....no rudeness intended.



 

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Quoting Ashley:

i love how some ppl are sitting there saying it's torture or we are sick in the head for doing it. hmmmm funny how my son doesnt remember one bit of it. he loves me to death and cries whenever i leave the room but yet i tortured him? you guys have your opinions on it and that's fine. but DON'T EVER say that i'm sick in the head for doing it. you dont know me and if i recall Melissa, in another thread you were quite upset because people were judging you for the way you raise your daughter so who do u think you are saying that ppl that circumsize are sick in the head? that's the RUDEST thing i have read on here. keep your nasty comments to yourself.


I agree. My son was circumsized and he didnt cry one bit! i doubt he will be traumatized for life..haha..good god.

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I never had our son circd because my hubby found the whole procedure cruel.I feel there is no reason for them anymore other than cosmetics.My son has never had any problems and hes 18.

Connie

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I just wanted to say the arguement that uncircumsized men are supposedly less clean and get more infections is bogus. My husband has NEVER had an infection in his 28 years of having a foreskin. He is in the Army and has to go for weeks without bathing sometimes. By this logic, his penis should have probably rotted off by now. But I assure you it has not.

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Quoting Sarah:



Quoting Katie:

I did not make the decision on having our son circumcised, I left that decision up to my husband. He decided that he wanted him to be circucised so that as he got older he wouldn't have to wonder why he didn't look like Daddy.






When my sons asked me why I didn't have a penis like them, it was a very easy discussion. Explaining the differences in people is not something that needs to be avoided. My children's grandmother is missing a breast. I think I will be able to handle them wondering and asking about it when they get older. I mean come on, its a 2 minute conversation, at most. I asked my husband and he doesn't remember if his father is circumsized or not so I doubt not having matching genitalia is going to make some huge impact on a child.






My opinion when it came time to circucise our son was that I really didn't care one way or another.  My husband on the other hand did have an opinion, so I left the choice to him.  I know it is real easy to explain differences to kids, I do it everyday with my dd (2).  She has questions on why everyone is _____?  I feel that there is no harm in circumcision, and there is nothing wrong with not doing it.  It is purely a matter of choice.  In the instance of my ds, it didn't matter to me one way or another, but it did matter to my dh, so the coice was his.

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Quoting Katie:

I did not make the decision on having our son circumcised, I left that decision up to my husband. He decided that he wanted him to be circucised so that as he got older he wouldn't have to wonder why he didn't look like Daddy.



When my sons asked me why I didn't have a penis like them, it was a very easy discussion. Explaining the differences in people is not something that needs to be avoided. My children's grandmother is missing a breast. I think I will be able to handle them wondering and asking about it when they get older. I mean come on, its a 2 minute conversation, at most. I asked my husband and he doesn't remember if his father is circumsized or not so I doubt not having matching genitalia is going to make some huge impact on a child.

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I did not make the decision on having our son circumcised, I left that decision up to my husband. He decided that he wanted him to be circucised so that as he got older he wouldn't have to wonder why he didn't look like Daddy.

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Well i find this to be a touchy subject. Personally I will not circumcise if i have a boy. I have tried to talk to some people about it and they are stuck on the fact my child will be made fun of it i choose not to do it. Personal opion i have to say. I believe that it does take the sensitivey away, like it does for a female. I personally believe it is up to the parents. I don't agree with it but say a single mother has a boy and doesn't know anything about that part of the body them maybe they should, i thought that when i meet a mom that would not even clean that area, or around that area. to me she should of done it then. but like i said its really up to the parent(s) of the child.

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Quoting LaCi:



Quoting Mary:

I have commented on this in another post and I will tell you all the same thing. I had my son done....and I feel horrible for doing it. I feel like I was pushed into it and that I was stupid becasue I didn't do enough research into it. I talked to many people and EVERY girl I talked to was like "ewwww I would never be with a guy who wasn't circumised" and most of the guys who were not done at birth had it done later because of infections and such and they told me it was the worst pain they ever went through and that they wished their parents would have done it when they were babies so they wouldn't remembered it.....I also had people telling me I would be stupid if I didn't get it done and that I would be a bad mother......All these people pusihing at me and telling me these horror stories of being circumicised later pushed me over the edge. Plus the dad wanted it done.

I let everyone push me around and did what they said was best...but the min I got my son back I wanted to kick every person who pushed me and myself as well. He had the most shocked look on his face and you could tell he was in pain. I felt like the worst mother in the world. before they let you leave the hospital you have to wait for 30 min to make sure your baby doesn't go into some kind of shock or have any kind of bleeding problems and so on and then you have to change their diaper too to make sure about the bleeding theing....well Jayden had a pee and he cried so bad...made me feel ever worse. Mind you he healed very quickly and a few hours after it was done he seemed to not even remember it cause he was back to his old self....but it still sucked.

I live in Canada and the doctor told me that in alot of places it is done less often now but the town I live in is pretty small and he said that it is done more often than not in my town.....I had the chance to see on done after the fact and I swear I will not be getting my next child done if it is a boy.

To all those mother out there that think it is totaly fine I wish you would watch one being done...I am sure it will change your mind....I don't care if they "forget" it....it is still the most awful thing to do to a baby!





 






 You know, I always think of canada as a magical place so much more progressed than the US-as far as health and medicine. Silly, magical lands a couple hours away.  I am so sorry you felt pressured into that. My heart goes out to you. 





I'm from Canada as well, my boyfriend is originally from England, and we also live in a fairly small town where circumcision is not very popular. Within 1 month of my son developing the infection we took him to 2 doctors (as follow up appointments) and both of them told us that his pee hole was too small and if something wasn't done about it, he would develope more and more infections and his penis would grow properly!



We were not pushed into our desicion, we were informed and given an alternative choice (stretch the pee hole (which would cause even more pain than the surgery itself))!

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When my son was born, my boyfriend tried pushing me to get him done. But I didn't want my baby boy to go through needless pain! Boy did I ever kick myself for NOT having it done! When my son was around a year old, I found out that my boyfriend had his done when he was 8 years old because he developed a serious infection and if he was not circumcised it would only come back worse. When my son was 3 (he's now 4) he developed an infection in his foreskin that caused his little pee hole to close, therefore preventing any pee to come out! I immediately took him to the ER! After the doc drained the infection and urine out he told me that my son's pee hole was too small, he said that after draining it he should have been able to pull the skin back to expose the head but he couldn't. He then told me that there are things that could be done: 1. bring my son to the clinic and have his pee hole stretched and still risk infection or 2. circumcise!

We had him circumcised! I have 1 regret in my life, and that regret is not having him done when he was born, I didn't want to put him through that needless pain and then, because of that decision, he had to endure even worse pain! But on the up side, it forced him to become completely potty trained!

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To those of you that believe that not circumcising your son can cause infections, someone, somewhere has misinformed you. There have been many recent studies that show that children with uncircumcised penises have no health problems whatsoever. In fact there is a mucus inside the skin of the penis that helps to prevent any infection or bacteria from forming. A secretion that is no longer created after circumcision. Also, the history of circumcision in the US is because during one of the World Wars, men were down in the trenches day in and day out and they were getting infected because they were not clean. So, therefore, in order to try to take care of this problem, they started circumcising. It then became popular belief that it was unsanitary to be uncircumcised. The US is the only country in the world who do male circumcision at this rate. Most other countries and cultures do not practice this. I am also wondering which religious views warrant circumcision? I am a Christian and our faith does not dictate male circumcision. Also, my husband is circumcised, but we chose not to with our son after many discussions with friends and with doctors. My husband did not feel that his son needed to "look" like him and we found from these discussions that there was no health risk in having an uncircumcised penis. With anything, you need to keep it clean and there will be no issues. In fact, many insurance agencies will no longer pay for circumcision because it is considered cosmetic, rather than for health reasons.

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