Want to open up another can? Circumcision!

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Did you have your sons circumcised or not? If so, why? If not, why not? Discuss. This is mainly an American issue, I know. I've lived in Europe and it did affect my thinking on the topic.

I did NOT have my son circumcised for 3 reasons:

"To look like Dad" is not a compelling reason to me. To look like everyone else is also not valid anymore, in my area it's about 50/50.

There is no medical reason for routinely doing it. The reasons that people usually use are either old wives tales or are extremely rare.

I've seen it done several times and there is no way I could live with myself for doing that to an infant unless there was a life or death good reason for it.

I do think valid reasons exist, as in religious reasons or individual issues that had to be addressed. I just wondered what everyone else's experience had been. I'd also love to hear from Europeans as to what your take on this issue is.

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LaCi - posted on 06/04/2009

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Quoting Mary:

I have commented on this in another post and I will tell you all the same thing. I had my son done....and I feel horrible for doing it. I feel like I was pushed into it and that I was stupid becasue I didn't do enough research into it. I talked to many people and EVERY girl I talked to was like "ewwww I would never be with a guy who wasn't circumised" and most of the guys who were not done at birth had it done later because of infections and such and they told me it was the worst pain they ever went through and that they wished their parents would have done it when they were babies so they wouldn't remembered it.....I also had people telling me I would be stupid if I didn't get it done and that I would be a bad mother......All these people pusihing at me and telling me these horror stories of being circumicised later pushed me over the edge. Plus the dad wanted it done.

I let everyone push me around and did what they said was best...but the min I got my son back I wanted to kick every person who pushed me and myself as well. He had the most shocked look on his face and you could tell he was in pain. I felt like the worst mother in the world. before they let you leave the hospital you have to wait for 30 min to make sure your baby doesn't go into some kind of shock or have any kind of bleeding problems and so on and then you have to change their diaper too to make sure about the bleeding theing....well Jayden had a pee and he cried so bad...made me feel ever worse. Mind you he healed very quickly and a few hours after it was done he seemed to not even remember it cause he was back to his old self....but it still sucked.

I live in Canada and the doctor told me that in alot of places it is done less often now but the town I live in is pretty small and he said that it is done more often than not in my town.....I had the chance to see on done after the fact and I swear I will not be getting my next child done if it is a boy.

To all those mother out there that think it is totaly fine I wish you would watch one being done...I am sure it will change your mind....I don't care if they "forget" it....it is still the most awful thing to do to a baby!


 



 You know, I always think of canada as a magical place so much more progressed than the US-as far as health and medicine. Silly, magical lands a couple hours away.  I am so sorry you felt pressured into that. My heart goes out to you. 

Mary - posted on 06/04/2009

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I have commented on this in another post and I will tell you all the same thing. I had my son done....and I feel horrible for doing it. I feel like I was pushed into it and that I was stupid becasue I didn't do enough research into it. I talked to many people and EVERY girl I talked to was like "ewwww I would never be with a guy who wasn't circumised" and most of the guys who were not done at birth had it done later because of infections and such and they told me it was the worst pain they ever went through and that they wished their parents would have done it when they were babies so they wouldn't remembered it.....I also had people telling me I would be stupid if I didn't get it done and that I would be a bad mother......All these people pusihing at me and telling me these horror stories of being circumicised later pushed me over the edge. Plus the dad wanted it done.



I let everyone push me around and did what they said was best...but the min I got my son back I wanted to kick every person who pushed me and myself as well. He had the most shocked look on his face and you could tell he was in pain. I felt like the worst mother in the world. before they let you leave the hospital you have to wait for 30 min to make sure your baby doesn't go into some kind of shock or have any kind of bleeding problems and so on and then you have to change their diaper too to make sure about the bleeding theing....well Jayden had a pee and he cried so bad...made me feel ever worse. Mind you he healed very quickly and a few hours after it was done he seemed to not even remember it cause he was back to his old self....but it still sucked.



I live in Canada and the doctor told me that in alot of places it is done less often now but the town I live in is pretty small and he said that it is done more often than not in my town.....I had the chance to see on done after the fact and I swear I will not be getting my next child done if it is a boy.



To all those mother out there that think it is totaly fine I wish you would watch one being done...I am sure it will change your mind....I don't care if they "forget" it....it is still the most awful thing to do to a baby!

Shawna - posted on 06/04/2009

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I have 2 sons and have NOT did that procedure. I chose not to because i feel there is no reason to. If it had to be done for some medical emergency then yes i would do it. They are fine, no infections like some people believe will happen if u dont get the procedure.

Andrea - posted on 06/04/2009

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I had my son circumcised because my cousin had yeast infections without being circumcised. Its more clean if you have them circumcised and it may cause more bacteria in there as time goes on and you wouldn't want to have to do it as they are older, than it hurts more. When they are babies it hurts but not as badly as an older child. Babies don't understand pain. Thats why they do it then.



Hope this helped

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Quoting Jessica:
My 3 yr old seems to be alright since it is his favorite toy.



A boy's favorite toy?.... certainly this is one thing we can all agree on.



In my experience, it isn't politics and religion that are the subjects to avoid in civil discourse - its circumcision and breastfeeding. Everyone seems to have strong feelings on the matter.

Jessica - posted on 06/04/2009

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People keep saying on here to cut out our daughters breast tissue, that is the most ignorant arguement I have heard. There is one person on this post who has gained alot of my respect with her opinions and that is Jennifer. She may judge but she does it as educated as she can, so even though our views differ I respect her and have been able to learn from her. I will not respond to this post anymore as it has become more about bashing then educating. To address the sexual aspects of things my husband is circd and I guess nobody told him how little he was supposed to feel because we are now on our 5th pregnancy, it must have been torture. My 3 yr old seems to be alright since it is his favorite toy. I think it's funny that the mothers on this post who have had it done have tried to learn and respected the opinions and choices of other mothers but the ones who haven't with exception of a few have nothing productive to say. To you we are torturous mothers who would cut off our sons fingers if we had the whim. I love my children,I do not feel bad about my decision and if I have a son I will do it again, regardless of others opinions because I am their mother. Someone on here said that we are getting defensive because we feel guilty, we're defensive because in not so nice ways you have said we have tortured, mutilated and abused our children because we are ignorant women. Thank you to those of you have contributed in a productive way, I have learned alot.

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Quoting Sandie:

Bad hygine, not cleaning the penis propery, bad mothers. I dont think so. Phimosis is a medical condition leading to Balanitis. Go look them up, my son had both. When your 7yr old is screaming in pain when he has a wee, then you will do anything to take away his pain. The look of total and utter surprise on his face the first time he passed urine ( 2 hours after his operation) with no stinging pain, it came out in a steady stream, like "all the other boys" and not spraying in all directions. The pain from the operation was far less than that from the infections he suffered. So dont tell me it is purely cosmetic, infections can be cured, until you have been through it do not comment on me, my son or the choices I make for him, I have only ever and only will make the best choices for him, and he will learn from me to make the best choices for himself.



Sandie, I don't doubt that circumcision is sometimes required to treat a medical problem. If I were in your situation and circumcision was the recommended treatment, I'd make the same choice. My point is that just because your son needed to have it done, it doesn't mean that my healthy son should also have the surgery as an infant. We don't remove other healthy parts of the body just because they might have an infection later. If my son has a (rare) problem in the future, we'll deal with it then. My 9 month old at the moment has his first ear infection, and is miserable. But do I regret not having tubes but in when he was a newborn to prevent it? Absolutely not. Like you said, we're all just trying to make the best choices for our babies.

LaCi - posted on 06/04/2009

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Manual reduction
Manual reduction is performed by placing both index fingers on the dorsal border of the penis behind the retracted prepuce and both thumbs on the end of the glans. The glans is pushed back through the prepuce with the help of constant thumb pressure while the index fingers pull the prepuce over the glans.
This technique may be facilitated by the use of ice and/or hand compression on the foreskin, glans, and penis to minimize edema of the glans prior to manual reduction.
An elastic bandage can also be wrapped from the glans to the base of the penis for 5-7 minutes to minimize edema.4
Noncrushing clamps can be placed on the constricting portion of the foreskin at the 3- and 9-o'clock positions to apply gentle continuous symmetrical traction.5 Also see, Paraphimosis Reduction.
Osmotic method: Substances with a high solute concentration can be used to osmotically draw out fluid from the edematous glans and foreskin prior to manual reduction. Granulated sugar spread over the glans and foreskin for 2 hours has been shown to facilitate manual reduction.5 Alternatively, a swab soaked in 50 mL of 50% dextrose (more readily available in the ED) can be wrapped around the glans and foreskin for an hour prior to attempting reduction.5 A major drawback of these methods is that they are time consuming.
Puncture method: This method requires the use of a 21- to 26-gauge needle to puncture openings into the foreskin to allow edematous fluid to escape from the puncture sites during manual compression. Successful reductions have been reported with single and up to 20 punctures.5
Hyaluronidase method: The puncture method can be enhanced by the injection of 1-mL aliquots of hyaluronidase (using a tuberculin syringe) into one or more sites of the edematous prepuce. It is thought that hyaluronidase disperses extracellular edema by modifying the permeability of intercellular substance in connective tissue. The use of this method is contraindicated in those with the presence of infection or cancer, since the technique may result in the spread of bacteria or malignant cells. Drawbacks to this method include the risk of anaphylaxis and shock and the lack of availability of hyaluronidase in many EDs.
Aspiration: A tourniquet is applied to the shaft of the penis. A 20-guage needle is then used to aspirate 3-12 mL of blood from the glans, parallel to the urethra. This reduces the volume of the glans sufficiently to facilitate manual reduction.
Vertical incision: If none of the above methods are successful, the constricting band of the foreskin should be incised using a 1-2 cm longitudinal incision between two straight hemostats placed in the 12-o'clock position for hemostasis.4 This frees the constricting ring and allows for easy reduction of the paraphimosis. The incised margins can then be reapproximated using 4/0 nylon sutures. Also see, Dorsal Slit of the Foreskin and Nerve Block, Dorsal Penile. (See Media file 4.)

Dorsal slit procedure.

Emergent circumcision: This is a last resort, to be performed by a urologist, to achieve the necessary reduction of a paraphimosis.



My "opinion" is law in many other countries, I do believe america to be quite backwards. It is considered in MANY places, to be an illegal assault, as it should be.

LaCi - posted on 06/04/2009

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Quoting Sandie:

Funny that I just gooled as well, and acording to what I read " full a circumcision is more often required as the foreskin is thickend and scarred". And now, unlike you, as I am not a fairly reclusive, stay at home mum, I am taking my circumcised son out, to meet some friends, socialise, and have fun. Maybe you should try it, and stop trying to force your opinion on other people. I respect your opinion, but I dont, and I never will agree with you.


 



I'm glad your social, thats great for you. i'm much more focused on my child than socializing, considering all my friends are single or have children much older than my own. 



 



Full circumcision should be a last resort, all other options should be considered before hand. This is comparable to women having their breasts removed to avoid the possibility of getting breast cancer. 

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Funny that I just gooled as well, and acording to what I read " full a circumcision is more often required as the foreskin is thickend and scarred". And now, unlike you, as I am not a fairly reclusive, stay at home mum, I am taking my circumcised son out, to meet some friends, socialise, and have fun. Maybe you should try it, and stop trying to force your opinion on other people. I respect your opinion, but I dont, and I never will agree with you.

LaCi - posted on 06/04/2009

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From what i just googled it seems that all that was necessary was to enlarge the opening, not a full circumcision.

If the foreskin does not tear naturally from the boy retracting it himself.

So I will comment on it.

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Bad hygine, not cleaning the penis propery, bad mothers. I dont think so. Phimosis is a medical condition leading to Balanitis. Go look them up, my son had both. When your 7yr old is screaming in pain when he has a wee, then you will do anything to take away his pain. The look of total and utter surprise on his face the first time he passed urine ( 2 hours after his operation) with no stinging pain, it came out in a steady stream, like "all the other boys" and not spraying in all directions. The pain from the operation was far less than that from the infections he suffered. So dont tell me it is purely cosmetic, infections can be cured, until you have been through it do not comment on me, my son or the choices I make for him, I have only ever and only will make the best choices for him, and he will learn from me to make the best choices for himself.

LaCi - posted on 06/04/2009

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i'm very thankful my boyfriend is also very anti-circumcision. If any questions arise as to why he doesn't look like daddy, daddy will be telling him HE is the one thats normal and that is what it is supposed to look like. daddy is the strange one.

Lisa Marie - posted on 06/04/2009

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I have triplet sons and although every person I know has circumsized thier sons,and disagreed with my decision, I chose NOT to circumsize them. I felt the same way you did. I did not think that vanity was a good enough reason, my sons were just perfect at birth and i didnt feel need to alter them in any way! To look like thier father is a ridiculous reason, kids are born with different eye or hair color than thier fathers, and thats fine. But if the sons penis has more skin its not?. It is not medically necessary, and its not my body to make the choice. If they grow up and dislike thier foreskin they have the option of circumcision. To each thier own though.

Sheila - posted on 06/04/2009

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I had my son circumcised. One it was giving my child to God. Two my little Brother was not and I had to take care of him and his would get red and sore all the time. Three it looks better.

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When you have got a 7yr old screaming in pain when he has a wee, you will do whatever it takes to stop it. My son had Phimosis, a condition where the foreskin does not pull back over the head of his penis, he had a tiny opening for urine to pass. As a result, he had a condition called Balanitis, a thickening of the foreskin. He was circumcised at 7yrs, in hospital under general anesthetic, performed by a lovely surgeon. It was painful, uncomfortable and heartbreaking for me. But I knew I was doing the best thing for him, his condition would not have been "cured" by antibiotics and good hygine. So dont make the statement you will never get your son's circumcised, because you never know what is going to happen. I would not have had it done for cosmetic reasons, I hated putting him through the pain, and at 7yrs of age the embaressment for him, but he had to have it done. If I had another son I would get him circumcised when he is a baby, to prevent this happening again.

LaCi - posted on 06/04/2009

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Quoting Chante:

Just some information

The foreskin has numerous protective, sensory, and sexual functions.

* Protection: Just as the eyelids protect the eyes, the foreskin protects the glans and keeps its surface soft, moist, and sensitive. It also maintains optimal warmth, pH balance, and cleanliness. The glans itself contains no sebaceous glands-glands that produce the sebum, or oil, that moisturizes our skin. The foreskin produces the sebum that maintains proper health of the surface of the glans.

* Immunological Defense: The mucous membranes that line all body orifices are the body's first line of immunological defense. Glands in the foreskin produce antibacterial and antiviral proteins such as lysozyme. Lysozyme is also found in tears and mother's milk. Specialized epithelial Langerhans cells, an immune system component, abound in the foreskin's outer surface. Plasma cells in the foreskin's mucosal lining secrete immunoglobulins, antibodies that defend against infection.

* Erogenous Sensitivity: The foreskin is as sensitive as the fingertips or the lips of the mouth. It contains a richer variety and greater concentration of specialized nerve receptors than any other part of the penis. These specialized nerve endings can discern motion, subtle changes in temperature, and fine gradations of texture.

* Coverage During Erection: As it becomes erect, the penile shaft becomes thicker and longer. The double-layered foreskin provides the skin necessary to accommodate the expanded organ and to allow the penile skin to glide freely, smoothly, and pleasurably over the shaft and glans.

* Self-Stimulating Sexual Functions: The foreskin's double-layered sheath enables the penile shaft skin to glide back and forth over the penile shaft. The foreskin can normally be slipped all the way, or almost all the way, back to the base of the penis, and also slipped forward beyond the glans. This wide range of motion is the mechanism by which the penis and the orgasmic triggers in the foreskin, frenulum, and glans are stimulated.

* Sexual Functions in Intercourse: One of the foreskin's functions is to facilitate smooth, gentle movement between the mucosal surfaces of the two partners during intercourse. The foreskin enables the penis to slip in and out of the vagina nonabrasively inside its own slick sheath of self-lubricating, movable skin. The female is thus stimulated by moving pressure rather than by friction only, as when the male's foreskin is missing.

* The foreskin fosters intimacy between the two partners by enveloping the glans and maintaining it as an internal organ. The sexual experience is enhanced when the foreskin slips back to allow the male's internal organ, the glans, to meet the female's internal organ, the cervix-a moment of supreme intimacy and beauty.


 



Vanessa - posted on 06/04/2009

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I have a daughter so I am not in the area yet but I am very keen to have it done, my mother in law had my husband done when he was little I asked her why and she said he got an infection and it was bad (I am not going to go into details) any way I will be getting my son done if at all for that specific reason I would never want my son to go through what his father did as a small child and there is a history for it so as far as I am concerned it is for the best but you never know we might decided not too and see how we go.

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Just some information



The foreskin has numerous protective, sensory, and sexual functions.



* Protection: Just as the eyelids protect the eyes, the foreskin protects the glans and keeps its surface soft, moist, and sensitive. It also maintains optimal warmth, pH balance, and cleanliness. The glans itself contains no sebaceous glands-glands that produce the sebum, or oil, that moisturizes our skin. The foreskin produces the sebum that maintains proper health of the surface of the glans.



* Immunological Defense: The mucous membranes that line all body orifices are the body's first line of immunological defense. Glands in the foreskin produce antibacterial and antiviral proteins such as lysozyme. Lysozyme is also found in tears and mother's milk. Specialized epithelial Langerhans cells, an immune system component, abound in the foreskin's outer surface. Plasma cells in the foreskin's mucosal lining secrete immunoglobulins, antibodies that defend against infection.



* Erogenous Sensitivity: The foreskin is as sensitive as the fingertips or the lips of the mouth. It contains a richer variety and greater concentration of specialized nerve receptors than any other part of the penis. These specialized nerve endings can discern motion, subtle changes in temperature, and fine gradations of texture.



* Coverage During Erection: As it becomes erect, the penile shaft becomes thicker and longer. The double-layered foreskin provides the skin necessary to accommodate the expanded organ and to allow the penile skin to glide freely, smoothly, and pleasurably over the shaft and glans.



* Self-Stimulating Sexual Functions: The foreskin's double-layered sheath enables the penile shaft skin to glide back and forth over the penile shaft. The foreskin can normally be slipped all the way, or almost all the way, back to the base of the penis, and also slipped forward beyond the glans. This wide range of motion is the mechanism by which the penis and the orgasmic triggers in the foreskin, frenulum, and glans are stimulated.



* Sexual Functions in Intercourse: One of the foreskin's functions is to facilitate smooth, gentle movement between the mucosal surfaces of the two partners during intercourse. The foreskin enables the penis to slip in and out of the vagina nonabrasively inside its own slick sheath of self-lubricating, movable skin. The female is thus stimulated by moving pressure rather than by friction only, as when the male's foreskin is missing.



* The foreskin fosters intimacy between the two partners by enveloping the glans and maintaining it as an internal organ. The sexual experience is enhanced when the foreskin slips back to allow the male's internal organ, the glans, to meet the female's internal organ, the cervix-a moment of supreme intimacy and beauty.

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Just some information



The foreskin has numerous protective, sensory, and sexual functions.



* Protection: Just as the eyelids protect the eyes, the foreskin protects the glans and keeps its surface soft, moist, and sensitive. It also maintains optimal warmth, pH balance, and cleanliness. The glans itself contains no sebaceous glands-glands that produce the sebum, or oil, that moisturizes our skin. The foreskin produces the sebum that maintains proper health of the surface of the glans.



* Immunological Defense: The mucous membranes that line all body orifices are the body's first line of immunological defense. Glands in the foreskin produce antibacterial and antiviral proteins such as lysozyme. Lysozyme is also found in tears and mother's milk. Specialized epithelial Langerhans cells, an immune system component, abound in the foreskin's outer surface. Plasma cells in the foreskin's mucosal lining secrete immunoglobulins, antibodies that defend against infection.



* Erogenous Sensitivity: The foreskin is as sensitive as the fingertips or the lips of the mouth. It contains a richer variety and greater concentration of specialized nerve receptors than any other part of the penis. These specialized nerve endings can discern motion, subtle changes in temperature, and fine gradations of texture.



* Coverage During Erection: As it becomes erect, the penile shaft becomes thicker and longer. The double-layered foreskin provides the skin necessary to accommodate the expanded organ and to allow the penile skin to glide freely, smoothly, and pleasurably over the shaft and glans.



* Self-Stimulating Sexual Functions: The foreskin's double-layered sheath enables the penile shaft skin to glide back and forth over the penile shaft. The foreskin can normally be slipped all the way, or almost all the way, back to the base of the penis, and also slipped forward beyond the glans. This wide range of motion is the mechanism by which the penis and the orgasmic triggers in the foreskin, frenulum, and glans are stimulated.



* Sexual Functions in Intercourse: One of the foreskin's functions is to facilitate smooth, gentle movement between the mucosal surfaces of the two partners during intercourse. The foreskin enables the penis to slip in and out of the vagina nonabrasively inside its own slick sheath of self-lubricating, movable skin. The female is thus stimulated by moving pressure rather than by friction only, as when the male's foreskin is missing.



* The foreskin fosters intimacy between the two partners by enveloping the glans and maintaining it as an internal organ. The sexual experience is enhanced when the foreskin slips back to allow the male's internal organ, the glans, to meet the female's internal organ, the cervix-a moment of supreme intimacy and beauty.

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Cori, I do appreciate your thoughtful and well-researched posts on this subject. Apparently I'm the only Jewish mom to take part in this discussion (unless i missed a post somewhere) and I am definitely very weirded out by a lot of the rabid anti-circumcision sentiment expressed here, and the wildly offensive comments by some posters.

All I can say is: there were very valid reasons why the practice of circumcision developed historically, and as defined in Jewish law it is set up to be as easy as possible on the baby while providing the maximum health benefit. Jewish boys have been circumcised since the time of Abraham, and they've been fine.

For the majority of you who don't have religious reasons to circumcise, just do your research, make well-informed decisions, and raise healthy sons whatever you may choose. No need to insult parents who make a different choice.

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Quoting Samantha:



Quoting Melissa:

im with Emily would never torture my child in that way it sickens me. anyway who does is screwed in the head.






Melissa, I understand that you wouldn't want you child circumcised but to say that anybody that does get their son circumcised is screwed in the head is kind of rude.  You have you reasons for not getting doing the circumcision just like I had my reasons for getting my son circumcised.  You can't go around insulting people though just because they don't agree with your thinking.





 



why not theres some shocking excuses for motehrs on thsi site who insult me for not agreeing with my methods and even make up crap about me so i figure if you can beat em join em. i guess im just in shock that it can be such a routine and common thing in the US. im australia its most defiantely not. you'd have to go and see a specialist before they'd consider it i would think its actually un usual to see someone circumsized. i dont know i think the US just have to do certain things because they seem to think they are better then everyone else. they are some fantastic peolpe there but some of the ways of thinking are disturbing.

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Okay for u parents out there who do not want to circumsize their boys cause "its mutilation" well aparently u have not had your infants experience excruciating pain due to a urinary tract infection....because despite your best efforts u did not keep it as clean as u thought...so u had to sit thru painful sessions of nurses and doctors trying to hold him still to put a cath up the already tiny penis hole to get a good clean sample of urine....multiple times after failing at atempt after atempt so gee whats worse a few min of pain that they r going to forget 5 min later or chancing bad infections like that ...why take the chance??? and aparently u ladies have not been with a man who hasnt been.....and gotten a bacteria infection from someone who may have not been as clean as u thought.....so Moms.....save your boys the extra trouble and get it done now ...instead of them having to stop in the middle of forplay and say oh wait let me go wash my penis so u dont get any bacteria stuck up there!!! but hey ...just opinions right.... save those guys from having to deal with it later.....9 times out of 10 ...they r gonna thank you!!!


I just want to say that regardless of your dislike or the term "mutilation" circumcision is just that. You are removing a healthy part of someone elses body without their consent. As far as infections go I agree all infections can be painful and no mother wants their children to feel pain. But it doesn't make sense to remove a part of the body for fear of an infection. If that was the case then we would be removing finger nails, appendix, tonsils and middle ear canals just to prevent infection. As far as bacteria infections contracted durning sex all I can say is use a condom. I have lots of adult male friends who have had no prolems with sex. Also yes guys can be pigs but when it comes to their penisis they are very good about cleaning. I also have friends who are cut and they still get infections. Infections are like colds everyone gets them.

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I did not circumcise my son. I do not believe that it is ok to mutilate a child. As a parent it is my job to protect my child not to cause harm. I understand that it is a personal choice. Religion often plays a huge part in why parents do it. If that is what your faith calls for then so be it. But there is no medical benefit and to look like everyone else is not a good enough reason. Would you chop off the tip of your kids finger? No of course not! So why chop off the tip of an even more delicate area? If as an adult they decide they want to do it then fine, it is their body and their right. My son's father and I argued about this for several weeks until he finally gave in to me. My son is 6 year old and I do not regret it. I have talked to him about circumcision and I told him my reasons for why I chose not to have it done to him. He is aware that his penis looks different than some but it was in agreement that he did not want to have his "extra skin cut off" :D

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Thank you to all for the inspiration to research my decision on circumcision even more. I am even more convinced about my decision and the reasons I made it. After researching the AMA and the AAP I have found the following reccomendation: "The most recent statement by the American Academy of Pediatrics reads as follows: "Existing scientific evidence demonstrates potential medical benefits of newborn male circumcision; however, these data are not sufficient to recommend routine neonatal circumcision. In circumstances in which there are potential benefits and risks, yet the procedure is not essential to the child's current well-being, parents should determine what is in the best interest of the child. To make an informed choice, parents of all male infants should be given accurate and unbiased information and be provided the opportunity to discuss this decision. If a decision for circumcision is made, procedural analgesia should be provided." " This research states there are potential medical benefits, but that these benefits are not significant enough to reccomend it for an entire population or that the government, medical professionals, or insurance companies should make those decisions for the parents, but it does state that there are medical benfits and those benefits should be weighed by the parents and an informed decision be made.



Although I am frustrated with myself that I spent so much time caught up in this board instead of enjoying being outside, I am thankful that it provided me the opportunity to research this topic more and become more confident in my informed decision to circumcise my son. I hope I have not hurt anyone who chose not to circumcise your son and that I was openminded about listening to your arguements. In the same token I hope that my responses helped some of you who felt insulted by some many of the coments from those who chose not to circumcise as many of us made educated and informed decisions and are not crazy in the head or whatever else was said. Good Luck to all of you in your parenting and decision making about your children. To those who have been harch and rude instead of being openminded and using this as an opportunity to learn from each other, I hope you never make a decision that others treat you the same way you treated some of us on this board.

Angela - posted on 06/03/2009

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I did not have my son circumcised for three reasons.

He was born three months early and had been through sooo much already, I didn't want to put him through that.

It's not necessary its purely cosmetic.

We are dutch so no male in my family is circumcised.

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Quoting Jenifer:



Quoting Jessica:

I have two boys and they are both circumcised. To be completely honest I did it because that is what I've always known to be done. I don't know if I would compare it to female circumcision, since females are circumcised to take away sexual pleasure and to make them more obedient to their husbands.
I'm not ignorant I know that their is no serious reason, besides medical to have it done but I did it no the less. My sons are both fine and they've never had any problems.





I think that's a fairly simplistic view of female circumcision. Personally, the first time that I thought to question male circumcision was in college when i heard women defend the practice of female circumcision. They said the reasons for doing it were cleanliness, looks, etc - the same justifications for male circumcision. And they sounded pretty confident in their choices, too. I totally agree that the experience of circumcision (male or female) in a hospital would be completely different than with a piece of broken glass without anesthesia - but I still don't think either are necessary or beneficial.






i dont know about female circumcision as its not something i have looked into, but i have a son and i have had him circumcised because my nephew was not circumcised and he keeped getting infections due to the opening of the fore skin not being open enough to pull down for cleaning. so i felt it was best not to put my son through the monthly pain of a infection compaired to a week of pain for the curcumcision.

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I did get my first son done, which I will regret everyday of my life. I admit I was ignorant and I didn't really know a whole lot about the procedure and I didn't do any research. I was young, which is no excuse.

By the time my third child came, 2nd son. I guess I had grown up a lot more and learned not to believe everything I was told. I did my own research. I was utterly shocked and felt sick to my stomach that I had none that to my baby for no medical reason at all.

Now for those parents who choose to get their sons done for religious reason's I can respect. They truly believe in something and think this will get their son into heaven. They support the act and with the rest of the family stand by and watch while their son has the circumcision done.

For those parents who say they are doing it for a preventive measure and they have done research I have very little respect. Even the American Medical association states their is no medical reason to get your child done. Do you parents, also get your child's tonsils removed just in case they get tonsillitis, do you get their appendix removed just in case they get appendicitis?

Also what really baffles my mind is that you choose to have this procedure done after doing your research, then you send your new born son off by himself to have this procedure done while he is awake. Why don't you go with him and hold his hand if you believe whole heartedly what your doing is the right thing?

Do you go with your child when they have blood drawn or vaccination shots? If they need stitches? I am guessing yes? Why do parents then send their baby off by himself. Any procedure your child has done while they are awake it is your right as a parent to be their.

I guess its easy to ignore what actually is happening if you don't witness what the baby is going through. When the baby is returned all snug and wrapped up in blankets asleep, you can feel you just did the right thing.

My OB told me less that 1% of parents will be with their baby when they are done. She said if more parents witnessed the horror of actually what happens and how their baby reacts, circumcision in this country would make a dramatic drop.

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I'm glad you opened the can too. This was fun :) go make a new fun thread.

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Quoting Laura:

Yep. You opened a can of worms on this one. lol I was pregnant at 19 and when I discovered I was prego with a little boy, I thought that it wasn't a choice. I was quite shocked when my mom asked me what I was going to do. So I did a bunch of research. But the deciding factor was actually watching a video of it with the sound ON. OMG. I had nightmares for a month! Suffice to say, My now almost ten year old son is not cut, been taught personal hygiene, and is completely happy and healthy. Best choice I could have made.


You got that right!   Actually I was opening up a can of worms but it seems like several others were opening up a can of WHOOP @SS!  Even knowing this was a hot topic, I'm still a little shocked and mildly amused at how ugly this has gotten on both sides.  It's been fascinating to read everyone's input, though so I'm glad I opened up the can.  ha

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Quoting Cori:

Jenifer,
I no way am I judging your decision about not circumcising, but I didn't realize so many people were in the doctors office with me when my son was circumcised. As I said I cannot speak for anyone else's experience or what is routinely done at other doctors offices, but before I posted I even asked my husband if I was remembering what happened correctly and he agreed. My son may have been different or whatever, but I can honestly say they did not break any adhesions. I won't tell you what your sons penis looks like or should be like so please don't tell me what happened with my son just because of your own expericence. Also, my son recieved a localized anesetic (SP) not a topical one like my husband recieved when he had stitches removed.

Also, in no way did I say that there were not educated people on here, I was just merely stating that before quoting statistics, please read the entire study and don't take it out of context, or at least provide the link for others to educate themselves.

I won't speak for insurance companies as I don't necessarily agree that they always make choices in our best interest as their purpose is to make money, right or wrong, that is their ultimate goal.



You're right, I cannot say what was done in your son's case, all I can offer is what is in medical textbooks and instructional videos like the one I posted. There are certainly unbiased descriptions of the procedure out there, just like any surgery. It's great that you did the research beforehand on the procedure (many on both sides of the issue do not) and that you're confident in the decision you made. But I guess I still don't understand why you say there was no cutting, tearing, or crushing involved. How exactly do they separate the skin from the rest of the penis without doing at least one of those things?

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oh yeah, and the popularity of circumcision in the US came about when soldiers cam back with more stds than war wounds, so the military began circumcising believing it would help- which there was never concrete evidence of. Then those men circumcised their spawn to prevent the painful adult procedure, believing it to be better that way. I dont have a link, you can look it up yourself if you question it. My information is primarily from books, not the internet, and I've already read it.

As far as the cosmetics of the procedure, putting a child through what is essentially plastic surgery is wrong.

i keep finding more things to be angry about the more I read back, so i'll just stop reading.

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If my baby had been male I was not going to have the procedure done, even though it was quite the argument between my boyfriend and I. I've done research. There is no benefit to it. It's a Hebrew practice, dealing with (if I remember correctly) original sin type of stuff.. which, being more pagan in my spiritual leanings, I find to be completely insane. Besides, I recall all the screaming my little cousin did, (and my brother did) when they were cut. I've had people tell me babies don't feel pain, so this is okay. ...I find this hard to believe. So.. yeah. I think its a pointless, painful cosmetic procedure that America continues to do because we've done it for so long. hell, most people don't know where it started. I am not okay with it.

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Yep. You opened a can of worms on this one. lol I was pregnant at 19 and when I discovered I was prego with a little boy, I thought that it wasn't a choice. I was quite shocked when my mom asked me what I was going to do. So I did a bunch of research. But the deciding factor was actually watching a video of it with the sound ON. OMG. I had nightmares for a month! Suffice to say, My now almost ten year old son is not cut, been taught personal hygiene, and is completely happy and healthy. Best choice I could have made.

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Quoting Melissa:

im with Emily would never torture my child in that way it sickens me. anyway who does is screwed in the head.



Melissa, I understand that you wouldn't want you child circumcised but to say that anybody that does get their son circumcised is screwed in the head is kind of rude.  You have you reasons for not getting doing the circumcision just like I had my reasons for getting my son circumcised.  You can't go around insulting people though just because they don't agree with your thinking.

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Quoting LaCi:

and If i throw him across the room or kick him in the face, does it make it any less wrong just because he wont remember it? ridiculous again. you don't have to remember things to have been traumatized. And I'm done now, really. :)


 



great post :)

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Jenifer,

I no way am I judging your decision about not circumcising, but I didn't realize so many people were in the doctors office with me when my son was circumcised. As I said I cannot speak for anyone else's experience or what is routinely done at other doctors offices, but before I posted I even asked my husband if I was remembering what happened correctly and he agreed. My son may have been different or whatever, but I can honestly say they did not break any adhesions. I won't tell you what your sons penis looks like or should be like so please don't tell me what happened with my son just because of your own expericence. Also, my son recieved a localized anesetic (SP) not a topical one like my husband recieved when he had stitches removed.



Also, in no way did I say that there were not educated people on here, I was just merely stating that before quoting statistics, please read the entire study and don't take it out of context, or at least provide the link for others to educate themselves.



I won't speak for insurance companies as I don't necessarily agree that they always make choices in our best interest as their purpose is to make money, right or wrong, that is their ultimate goal.

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haha. i said its wrong to kick children in the face, its wrong to mutilate them, take away their future pleasure and if they happen to be gay you eliminated a method of sex. what's crazy? you think removing nerve endings doesn't kill sensation. who's crazy?

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Quoting Kandace:



Quoting LaCi:




Quoting Kandace:





Quoting LaCi:

and If i throw him across the room or kick him in the face, does it make it any less wrong just because he wont remember it? ridiculous again. you don't have to remember things to have been traumatized. And I'm done now, really. :)










Well your obviously crazy












you're obviously slow. so now i understand why you are the way you are.









Wow thanks are you sure your an adult?? maybe you should grow up! Because you are turning this debate into some name bashing thing.. You know NOTHING about me!!





wait, lets look at the sequence of events here. You called me crazy, So i let you know you're a moron. but then you called me a name-caller? lol go circumcise yourself :)

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Quoting LaCi:



Quoting Kandace:




Quoting LaCi:

and If i throw him across the room or kick him in the face, does it make it any less wrong just because he wont remember it? ridiculous again. you don't have to remember things to have been traumatized. And I'm done now, really. :)








Well your obviously crazy









you're obviously slow. so now i understand why you are the way you are.





Wow thanks are you sure your an adult?? maybe you should grow up! Because you are turning this debate into some name bashing thing.. You know NOTHING about me!!

LaCi - posted on 06/03/2009

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oh you had the "rot off" method done to your son then? thats also much less common nowadays. My facts came from college sex and society courses, i had actually never thought about circumcision until then.

Damn those crazy liberal universities, all caring about sexual pleasure and human rights.

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