What age did you, pesonally, forward face your child's car seat?

Heather - posted on 07/06/2009 ( 417 moms have responded )

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I know the AAP says to wait until 1 year AND 20 lbs...Did anyone do anything differently? Or wait longer?

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Amanda - posted on 07/06/2009

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The safest way to do things is keep a child facing backwards as long as possible. It is NOT about age or weight, it is about neck control (and NOT about being able to sit up like one mother said). Front facing car seats have a 75% greater chance of major injury over back facing, meaning you can literally rip a childs skull from its spine from front facing even at over 30 Lbs!

Sarah - posted on 07/06/2009

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Quoting Debra:

One rule of thumb is to look at how much leg room the have. If they are having to draw their legs up then it is time to turn the seat around.


I'm not sure where you heard that leg room was a good indicator...but most of the authorities about car seat safety would tell you that leg room does not matter.  Children often sit with their legs drawn up anyway, regardless of which direction they face.



"Many parents have the misconception that  children are uncomfortable or at risk for leg injury by having their  legs up on the vehicle seat or bent when kept rear-facing.  These  concepts are completely incorrect. First, children are more flexible  than adults so what we perceive as uncomfortable is not for children.   Think about how your child sits in everyday play. Do they sit with their  legs straight out in front of them? When they sit on the couch, do they  purposely sit so their legs dangle out over the edge? No. In real, everyday life, toddlers and preschoolers CHOSE to sit with their legs  folded up - that IS comfort to them.



Second, there is not a single documented  case of children's legs, hips, etc. breaking or being injured in a crash  due to longer rear-facing.  There are plenty of cases of head and  neck injury in forward-facing children that could have been prevented if  the child had remained rear-facing.  However, even if a leg or hip  were broken or injured, it can be fixed.  A damaged spinal cord (from  forward-facing too soon) cannot be repaired and subjects the child to lifelong disability or death."



From this link: http://www.cpsafety.com/articles/stayrea...



At the bottom of that page, there is also a really interesting gallery of older/bigger kids who are RF.  Very good look for folks who are concerned about what kids do with their legs while ERF.

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Quoting Jessica:

My son's seat was faced forward at 6 months old as he a real big baby and wouldn't fit into his rear facing one any longer! I no i could have got a bigger one but i just don't have that kind of money to spare! And i have always beren of the opinion that Health visitors and other proffesionals (who told me this is unwise) are overly cautious to the extreme! My son was holding his own head up far too quick for their liking but different children grow and develop at different rates so its really up to you! if you think your baby will be fine in it then go for it!


 



6 months is WAY too early to turn an infant forward facing.  Being a big baby has nothing to do with it.  It has everything to do with spine, neck muscles,  and motor skills development which 6 month olds don't have any control over.  Your baby won't be fine and I personally think that's taking the lazy way out when you state "If you think your baby will be fine."  YOU, and you alone have put your infant in danger when you disregrard safety precautions and the law.   Overly caution health care professionals are not going to give you advice that is the law for the sake of spewing information.  I'm surprised no one cited you.  It would have cost a $48 ticket on the spot in my town, plus the officer would have made you rearrange the car seat on the spot for safety.  Better turn rear facing or risk your child being removed from your custody.  If your child is less than the minimum requirements, I urge you to please find a new car seat and rear face your child. 

Kate - posted on 07/07/2009

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Quoting Jennifer:

I turned my daughter (now 2 1/2) at 9 months.....she was too tall to be rear facing cause her feet were pressed against the back of the seat....so she had the height and weight requirements....she just didn't have the age requirement....


Kids may be tall or heavy, but their bodies are NOT developed enough to turn around until they are AT LEAST 1 year old.  Buy a bigger seat, or just let them deal with their feet needing to be folded.  What is better in a car accident, a broken leg or a broken neck?  I think I'd choose broken leg for my child.



Also, there are bigger car seats out there that WILL fit taller children.  Most of the good convertible seats fit children until36" rear facing, and almost NO children will be that tall at a year!  Most are only around 28".  In fact, most won't reach that height until around 2 years.  Buy a better or bigger seat if you need to -- your child's life is worth it!

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Deb - posted on 07/16/2009

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My son is 17 months and must be in the 26 lb range-- still rear facing-- i was thinking about turning him around soon but after reading all these post-- i think he'll stay rear facing-- i have a convertible car seat that goes into a booster (up to 100 lbs)--- cosco i think-- a great seat and also highly recommended by Consumers Reports for safety

Kim - posted on 07/16/2009

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any more you should wait til they are atleast 16 months of age. their necks aren't strong enough. it gives them just a little longer to get strength built up. my first one i turned around at 7 months because i was lazy and had a 2 door car. my second one i turned around at 15months but should have waited another month or 2. his neck isnt strong enough as most kids his age. yea they may be a year old and or over 20lbs but that doesn't mean they have neck muscles that are ready.

Dawn - posted on 07/15/2009

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My daughter is 21 months and is still rear facing. She weighs about 25 lbs. I have read several true horror stories about forward facing seats and minor fendor bendors with young children. A friend of mine was close with a family that lost their 2 year old son who was in a front facing car seat when they rear ended someone traveling an estimated speed of 30 miles per hour. They barely dented their bumper, but it snaped their son's neck and he died instantly. Accidents happen and you can not prepare for them other than to take precautions to reduce their severities in the off chance. Ok I'm getting off my soap box now. LOL

Jesica - posted on 07/15/2009

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I really don't understand what you folks don't understand about 1 year AND 20 lbs. The rule is quite clear and not flexible. I am digusted by this whole thread....it is like a car crash that I can't stop staring at. I cannot believe that people who are responsible for another human being would so casually dismiss safety standards.














For those of you in Austrailia....you may be following your nations laws, but laws are not always up to date. The laws of physics are the same no matter what country you are in and the simple fact of the matter is that children are 75% more likely to be seriously injured forward facing.



































All I can say to this is WOW! I'm not in any way saying this to be rude to American's. I'm American and I just think this is the rudest reply I have seen on this. Just because AMERICA says to do something doesn't mean its right. Do you seriously think that the parents in Austrailia or any other country for that matter would dismiss safety if they thought it would harm their child???? I'm so sick of the way many American's think that just because America says something is right, that they think they need to put the rest of the world down. Who is to say that the American standards are right??? What if UK's standards are the best or Austrailia's are??? Does that mean your casually dismissing safety standards???? I know for a fact that you can't buy the car seats that American's are so very lucky to buy in every other country. I live in Ireland now and I know I could never replace my daughters car seat should anything happen to it. So does this mean I should spend 2,000pounds to fly to America to buy a car seat just because America says its the best??? I don't think so. There is nothing wrong with what any of these mothers are doing. All of these parents are doing what they think is right for their kids and its their decision. It's not yours or anyone elses. My daughter is 2 years and 4 months and still NOT at 20pounds, and I have her face forward. THIS DOES NOT MEAN I CASUALLY DISMISS HER SAFTEY. There is no way I would ever have my 2 y/o rear face no matter what the American saftey standards say. The American saftey standards just like any other countries saftey standards go off the average. They don't take into consideration special cercumstances. No matter if height is an issue, a child is over the weight before age 1, or far under the weight after age 1. It's not for you or anyone else to put parents down for making the choices they make with their kids. The simple fact of it is that it's their children and I know just as much as you know, that if someone was putting you down for the way you parent your kids you wouldn't like it.












 












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Thanks for quoting this its a disgusting comment im from australia and there is nothing wrong with our laws we have the right to be able to go by the laws and not to be told by some americans that we need to turn out car seats back around. its like someone also tried to tell me that australia was not as up to date with medical standard. Australia is just fine and at least we dont have to pay for our medical treatment












I know what its like being told from a early stage that I shouldn't be doing something with my daughter. My baby was very premature and it will take her some time to catch up with her weight. Just before her 1st birthday she had a seizure that almost killed her and because I couldn't keep a mirror on the back seat to be able to see her (she always kicked them off, as she has had really long legs from birth). But anyway, IF I had turned her around earlier I might have been able to see that she was having a seizure and could have gotten her medical help a lot sooner. The doctors estimated that she seized for 45+min. So reguardless of what ignorant people say or said to me, it was very important that she was turned around early. And as far as people talking about the medical in your country. I've been there and I been in hospitals/doctors in both America and Austrailia and I know that there is nothing wrong with your medical system. And if you ask me, its my opinion that AMERICA is not to date with their medical system. People that are so stuck on America don't see that there is a functioning world outside of the American borders that are a lot more realistic in their laws.










wow im glad your little one is ok, i too think America is not as up to date as australia but i didnt want to say it for fear of what others would say to me. but i love our system over here its (in my opinion) so much better. i am glad that i am not thousands of dollars in debt with my daughters treatments too which i would of been had i lived over there so im greatful to be where i am. your right about the car mirrors ours always came down too





Thank you. She has recovered well from her seizure and thankfully hasn't had anything nearly as serious as that since.



People just need to realize that while a law is a law, you will get other countries that are different. Yes ok it would make the world so much easier to understand if every country shared the same laws, but you don't, but it still doesn't give anyone no matter what country they are in to talk badly to someone in another country because of it. Thats why the wrold is the way it is and I must add why so many people think American's are stuck-up.  I've seen on here many difference. But even at that every child is different and you will find doctors as well as police that will tell you to do something different if they feel its better for the person's circumstances.

Jesica - posted on 07/15/2009

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Quoting Andrea:

I really don't understand what you folks don't understand about 1 year AND 20 lbs. The rule is quite clear and not flexible. I am digusted by this whole thread....it is like a car crash that I can't stop staring at. I cannot believe that people who are responsible for another human being would so casually dismiss safety standards.














For those of you in Austrailia....you may be following your nations laws, but laws are not always up to date. The laws of physics are the same no matter what country you are in and the simple fact of the matter is that children are 75% more likely to be seriously injured forward facing.



































All I can say to this is WOW! I'm not in any way saying this to be rude to American's. I'm American and I just think this is the rudest reply I have seen on this. Just because AMERICA says to do something doesn't mean its right. Do you seriously think that the parents in Austrailia or any other country for that matter would dismiss safety if they thought it would harm their child???? I'm so sick of the way many American's think that just because America says something is right, that they think they need to put the rest of the world down. Who is to say that the American standards are right??? What if UK's standards are the best or Austrailia's are??? Does that mean your casually dismissing safety standards???? I know for a fact that you can't buy the car seats that American's are so very lucky to buy in every other country. I live in Ireland now and I know I could never replace my daughters car seat should anything happen to it. So does this mean I should spend 2,000pounds to fly to America to buy a car seat just because America says its the best??? I don't think so. There is nothing wrong with what any of these mothers are doing. All of these parents are doing what they think is right for their kids and its their decision. It's not yours or anyone elses. My daughter is 2 years and 4 months and still NOT at 20pounds, and I have her face forward. THIS DOES NOT MEAN I CASUALLY DISMISS HER SAFTEY. There is no way I would ever have my 2 y/o rear face no matter what the American saftey standards say. The American saftey standards just like any other countries saftey standards go off the average. They don't take into consideration special cercumstances. No matter if height is an issue, a child is over the weight before age 1, or far under the weight after age 1. It's not for you or anyone else to put parents down for making the choices they make with their kids. The simple fact of it is that it's their children and I know just as much as you know, that if someone was putting you down for the way you parent your kids you wouldn't like it.












 












Melanie I'm sorry for stealing your quote, but I couldn't be bothered trying to find her comment again.
















Thanks for quoting this its a disgusting comment im from australia and there is nothing wrong with our laws we have the right to be able to go by the laws and not to be told by some americans that we need to turn out car seats back around. its like someone also tried to tell me that australia was not as up to date with medical standard. Australia is just fine and at least we dont have to pay for our medical treatment












I know what its like being told from a early stage that I shouldn't be doing something with my daughter. My baby was very premature and it will take her some time to catch up with her weight. Just before her 1st birthday she had a seizure that almost killed her and because I couldn't keep a mirror on the back seat to be able to see her (she always kicked them off, as she has had really long legs from birth). But anyway, IF I had turned her around earlier I might have been able to see that she was having a seizure and could have gotten her medical help a lot sooner. The doctors estimated that she seized for 45+min. So reguardless of what ignorant people say or said to me, it was very important that she was turned around early. And as far as people talking about the medical in your country. I've been there and I been in hospitals/doctors in both America and Austrailia and I know that there is nothing wrong with your medical system. And if you ask me, its my opinion that AMERICA is not to date with their medical system. People that are so stuck on America don't see that there is a functioning world outside of the American borders that are a lot more realistic in their laws.










wow im glad your little one is ok, i too think America is not as up to date as australia but i didnt want to say it for fear of what others would say to me. but i love our system over here its (in my opinion) so much better. i am glad that i am not thousands of dollars in debt with my daughters treatments too which i would of been had i lived over there so im greatful to be where i am. your right about the car mirrors ours always came down too





Thank you. She has recovered well from her seizure and thankfully hasn't had anything nearly as serious as that since.



People just need to realize that while a law is a law, you will get other countries that are different. Yes ok it would make the world so much easier to understand if every country shared the same laws, but you don't, but it still doesn't give anyone no matter what country they are in to talk badly to someone in another country because of it. Thats why the wrold is the way it is and I must add why so many people think American's are stuck-up.  I've seen on here many difference. But even at that every child is different and you will find doctors as well as police that will tell you to do something different if they feel its better for the person's circumstances.

Stephanie - posted on 07/15/2009

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Oh yeah and carseats in the front with an airbag is a complete nono! And that's with rear and forward facing seats. Turn them off! And one last thing research has shown that children would be safer rearward facing up until they are 4, which I was reminded of by the Swedish lass. But for us in the UK that is a whole new ball game, but it is being looked into all the same. Actually rearward facing would be safer for all of us but I guess that is just not practical.

Stephanie - posted on 07/15/2009

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I changed my son round at 9 months as this is the legal age to turn them in the uk and has to be able to sit up and weigh 9kgs , my health visitor advised me to do it and he loves it so much more





My health visitor told me 8 months! But it dont really matter as my son weighs 10.5KG





In the UK it is possible to turn the child around at 9 months/20lbs as it is thought that the child is developed enough to face forward(and not before!) but it is recommended that they stay rearfacing till they are 12 to 15 months as it the safest way to travel!!  The seats are designed to take a weight of upto 40lbs so aslong as the child's head is within the top of the seat they are safe.  Again their legs will be bent but this is not an issue as you will notice that the child will be quite comfortable with this.  Health visitors I think have not had any carseat training so I would be a little wary taking their advice.  Local councils seem to have nice safety officers that can check and advise on carseats and also Mothercare have trained staff that will advise you too.  Hope this has helped  :)   Just think the safety of your child is the most importanr thing!!  The video post is brilliantly informative for those who haven't seen it.



 

Cyndi - posted on 07/14/2009

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I could not wait nearly that long. My son wore a size 4 - 5 in boys by age one. He grew out of toddler clothes. He was so long he could not fit facing the seat.

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Quoting Andrea:

I really don't understand what you folks don't understand about 1 year AND 20 lbs. The rule is quite clear and not flexible. I am digusted by this whole thread....it is like a car crash that I can't stop staring at. I cannot believe that people who are responsible for another human being would so casually dismiss safety standards.












For those of you in Austrailia....you may be following your nations laws, but laws are not always up to date. The laws of physics are the same no matter what country you are in and the simple fact of the matter is that children are 75% more likely to be seriously injured forward facing.





























All I can say to this is WOW! I'm not in any way saying this to be rude to American's. I'm American and I just think this is the rudest reply I have seen on this. Just because AMERICA says to do something doesn't mean its right. Do you seriously think that the parents in Austrailia or any other country for that matter would dismiss safety if they thought it would harm their child???? I'm so sick of the way many American's think that just because America says something is right, that they think they need to put the rest of the world down. Who is to say that the American standards are right??? What if UK's standards are the best or Austrailia's are??? Does that mean your casually dismissing safety standards???? I know for a fact that you can't buy the car seats that American's are so very lucky to buy in every other country. I live in Ireland now and I know I could never replace my daughters car seat should anything happen to it. So does this mean I should spend 2,000pounds to fly to America to buy a car seat just because America says its the best??? I don't think so. There is nothing wrong with what any of these mothers are doing. All of these parents are doing what they think is right for their kids and its their decision. It's not yours or anyone elses. My daughter is 2 years and 4 months and still NOT at 20pounds, and I have her face forward. THIS DOES NOT MEAN I CASUALLY DISMISS HER SAFTEY. There is no way I would ever have my 2 y/o rear face no matter what the American saftey standards say. The American saftey standards just like any other countries saftey standards go off the average. They don't take into consideration special cercumstances. No matter if height is an issue, a child is over the weight before age 1, or far under the weight after age 1. It's not for you or anyone else to put parents down for making the choices they make with their kids. The simple fact of it is that it's their children and I know just as much as you know, that if someone was putting you down for the way you parent your kids you wouldn't like it.










 










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Thanks for quoting this its a disgusting comment im from australia and there is nothing wrong with our laws we have the right to be able to go by the laws and not to be told by some americans that we need to turn out car seats back around. its like someone also tried to tell me that australia was not as up to date with medical standard. Australia is just fine and at least we dont have to pay for our medical treatment









I know what its like being told from a early stage that I shouldn't be doing something with my daughter. My baby was very premature and it will take her some time to catch up with her weight. Just before her 1st birthday she had a seizure that almost killed her and because I couldn't keep a mirror on the back seat to be able to see her (she always kicked them off, as she has had really long legs from birth). But anyway, IF I had turned her around earlier I might have been able to see that she was having a seizure and could have gotten her medical help a lot sooner. The doctors estimated that she seized for 45+min. So reguardless of what ignorant people say or said to me, it was very important that she was turned around early. And as far as people talking about the medical in your country. I've been there and I been in hospitals/doctors in both America and Austrailia and I know that there is nothing wrong with your medical system. And if you ask me, its my opinion that AMERICA is not to date with their medical system. People that are so stuck on America don't see that there is a functioning world outside of the American borders that are a lot more realistic in their laws.






wow im glad your little one is ok, i too think America is not as up to date as australia but i didnt want to say it for fear of what others would say to me. but i love our system over here its (in my opinion) so much better. i am glad that i am not thousands of dollars in debt with my daughters treatments too which i would of been had i lived over there so im greatful to be where i am. your right about the car mirrors ours always came down too

Margaret - posted on 07/14/2009

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I'm a certified car seat tech and a mother of 3 and the state of Arkansas says 1 year and 20 pounds but if your child doesn't mind riding rear facing then I would leave them rear facing as long as they will ride that way just make sure the car seat they are in will meat the weight of your child.

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I waited until 18 months, I couldn't do it any longer because I changed vehicles and the convertible car seat didn't fit rear facing. They are in the process, in California, of changing the recommendation to 2 years. Rear facing is just safer in a collision. I managed a baby store and have 4 children, with 7 nieces and nephews, so I have a bit of experience. I definately don't recommend facing forward before a year old, that's just recklace!

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Quoting Pam:

I don't follow any rules. My kids were always a little taller so as soon as they could hold their heads up or if their little legs were scrunched up, I put them in a bigger seat and faced them forward. I don't see how it is healthy to have their legs all curled up against the back of the seat. You should just use your own judgment.




And I don't see how it's healthy for them to break their necks if you get in an accident.





And, BTW, they're not just "rules"-- they're LAWS, and outdated ones at that.

Rebecca - posted on 07/14/2009

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We turned our sons around shortly after he turned 1 year old - he was already around 25 pounds by then too.

Rebecca - posted on 07/14/2009

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We turned our sons around shortly after he turned 1 year old - he was already around 25 pounds by then too.

Pam - posted on 07/14/2009

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I don't follow any rules. My kids were always a little taller so as soon as they could hold their heads up or if their little legs were scrunched up, I put them in a bigger seat and faced them forward. I don't see how it is healthy to have their legs all curled up against the back of the seat. You should just use your own judgment.

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I have 3 kids and I had them facing forward at 9 months. They were all walking by this age ( a miracle in itself) and fretted when I put them into their seats. Facing them forward kept them calmer and less likely to harm themselves.

As for car seats My daughter is over 2 an still in the same one I put her in at 2 days. I have used the same with all my kids and had no problems, being able to change it from RF to FF was a must. Saved cost on changing seats at 3 months as well. I always enjoyed lifting my babies in and out of their car seats and carrying them around rather than leaving them in a shell. Never liked those capsules.

Cassie - posted on 07/14/2009

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The day my daughter turned 1 year old I turned her around even tho she didn't weigh 20lbs.

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My son is 24lbs and 11 months. I am incredibly tempted to both flip him around and move him to a side seat instead of the middle, but for his own safety I haven't. Every safety report I've read says that keeping a child forward facing for as long as possible decreases their risk of being injured in an accident. So until my little man's feet are squished against the back seat, he's staying like that...even if he's two years old. We have a convertible car seat though, so he is OK weight wise to be either forward or rear facing.

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I have an 8 month old daughter, who is now 20lbs. The weight requirement for forward facing on my car seat is 20lbs. Just yesterday, I put her forward. For some reason, I like it better that way, I can see her, and she gets to see where we are going! However, in my other car she is still rear facing. It all depends on the carseat and your preference, I believe.

Crystal - posted on 07/14/2009

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my son was 10 months old, he just didn't look comfortable turned the other way so i couldn't resist.

Jennifer - posted on 07/14/2009

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I waited until my daughter hit 20 pds, and at that pt she was 11months old.. Hope this helps!

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car seats for chldren over 20 pounds and not 1 year old are made. my neice was 20 pounds at 6 months old, she still rode rear-facing

Valerie - posted on 07/14/2009

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A baby's neck isn't strong enough to face forward until at least a ear old. My son was only 18 pounds at 1 year of age. My pediatrician told us the age was more important than the weight.

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i was wondering about this also... i asked my son's pediatrician at his 6 month check up and she said it used to be 1 yrs old. now she says they are pushing for atleast 2yrs old! My son already seems to have his legs squished, but i do have a bigger carseat, i'm going to put that one in rear facing and see how it pans out.. i'll do anything that is safest for my baby! TOO many nuts out there driving like lunatics---- I'm going to try and keep him rear facing until 2yrs old.

Melissa - posted on 07/14/2009

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For everyone who seems to think it is best to just follow the law on when you should turn your baby foward facing go to this link and watch the video.

http://joelsjourney.org/index.html

Your babies safety has nothing to do with the law!!! and it doesn't matter if you live in the US or another country! Keeping them rear facing in a convertable seat that goes up to 35-40 pounds for as long as possible and not what is convenient for you. Please watch the video if you don't believe me!

Kristine - posted on 07/14/2009

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i used to be certified to install carseatsso i can be of some help. the reason they tell you to face them backward the fist year is because their back is still developing.it can be dangerous to keep them tha way if their legs are to long. when they face backwad and you get into a accident the careats re designed to act as a shell and can rock towards the back of the seat. if your childs legs are to long they could be broken. this is why there is a height and a weight to turn the seat. you tun them wheneer they hit one or the other do not wait for both.

Amanda - posted on 07/14/2009

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I waited until my kids started to complain, I think it was about 1 1/2 years old. once they wanted to sit upright.

Keshia - posted on 07/14/2009

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it depends on ur childs weight! some infant carseats can only hold 22lbs.....but i changed my daughters when she was 1...

Jesica - posted on 07/14/2009

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Quoting Melissa:



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Quoting Melanie:










Quoting Andrea:

I really don't understand what you folks don't understand about 1 year AND 20 lbs. The rule is quite clear and not flexible. I am digusted by this whole thread....it is like a car crash that I can't stop staring at. I cannot believe that people who are responsible for another human being would so casually dismiss safety standards.










For those of you in Austrailia....you may be following your nations laws, but laws are not always up to date. The laws of physics are the same no matter what country you are in and the simple fact of the matter is that children are 75% more likely to be seriously injured forward facing.























All I can say to this is WOW! I'm not in any way saying this to be rude to American's. I'm American and I just think this is the rudest reply I have seen on this. Just because AMERICA says to do something doesn't mean its right. Do you seriously think that the parents in Austrailia or any other country for that matter would dismiss safety if they thought it would harm their child???? I'm so sick of the way many American's think that just because America says something is right, that they think they need to put the rest of the world down. Who is to say that the American standards are right??? What if UK's standards are the best or Austrailia's are??? Does that mean your casually dismissing safety standards???? I know for a fact that you can't buy the car seats that American's are so very lucky to buy in every other country. I live in Ireland now and I know I could never replace my daughters car seat should anything happen to it. So does this mean I should spend 2,000pounds to fly to America to buy a car seat just because America says its the best??? I don't think so. There is nothing wrong with what any of these mothers are doing. All of these parents are doing what they think is right for their kids and its their decision. It's not yours or anyone elses. My daughter is 2 years and 4 months and still NOT at 20pounds, and I have her face forward. THIS DOES NOT MEAN I CASUALLY DISMISS HER SAFTEY. There is no way I would ever have my 2 y/o rear face no matter what the American saftey standards say. The American saftey standards just like any other countries saftey standards go off the average. They don't take into consideration special cercumstances. No matter if height is an issue, a child is over the weight before age 1, or far under the weight after age 1. It's not for you or anyone else to put parents down for making the choices they make with their kids. The simple fact of it is that it's their children and I know just as much as you know, that if someone was putting you down for the way you parent your kids you wouldn't like it.








 








Melanie I'm sorry for stealing your quote, but I couldn't be bothered trying to find her comment again.










Thanks for quoting this its a disgusting comment im from australia and there is nothing wrong with our laws we have the right to be able to go by the laws and not to be told by some americans that we need to turn out car seats back around. its like someone also tried to tell me that australia was not as up to date with medical standard. Australia is just fine and at least we dont have to pay for our medical treatment





I know what its like being told from a early stage that I shouldn't be doing something with my daughter. My baby was very premature and it will take her some time to catch up with her weight. Just before her 1st birthday she had a seizure that almost killed her and because I couldn't keep a mirror on the back seat to be able to see her (she always kicked them off, as she has had really long legs from birth). But anyway, IF I had turned her around earlier I might have been able to see that she was having a seizure and could have gotten her medical help a lot sooner. The doctors estimated that she seized for 45+min. So reguardless of what ignorant people say or said to me, it was very important that she was turned around early. And as far as people talking about the medical in your country. I've been there and I been in hospitals/doctors in both America and Austrailia and I know that there is nothing wrong with your medical system. And if you ask me, its my opinion that AMERICA is not to date with their medical system. People that are so stuck on America don't see that there is a functioning world outside of the American borders that are a lot more realistic in their laws.

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Quoting Jesica:




Quoting Melanie:










Quoting Andrea:

I really don't understand what you folks don't understand about 1 year AND 20 lbs. The rule is quite clear and not flexible. I am digusted by this whole thread....it is like a car crash that I can't stop staring at. I cannot believe that people who are responsible for another human being would so casually dismiss safety standards.










For those of you in Austrailia....you may be following your nations laws, but laws are not always up to date. The laws of physics are the same no matter what country you are in and the simple fact of the matter is that children are 75% more likely to be seriously injured forward facing.























All I can say to this is WOW! I'm not in any way saying this to be rude to American's. I'm American and I just think this is the rudest reply I have seen on this. Just because AMERICA says to do something doesn't mean its right. Do you seriously think that the parents in Austrailia or any other country for that matter would dismiss safety if they thought it would harm their child???? I'm so sick of the way many American's think that just because America says something is right, that they think they need to put the rest of the world down. Who is to say that the American standards are right??? What if UK's standards are the best or Austrailia's are??? Does that mean your casually dismissing safety standards???? I know for a fact that you can't buy the car seats that American's are so very lucky to buy in every other country. I live in Ireland now and I know I could never replace my daughters car seat should anything happen to it. So does this mean I should spend 2,000pounds to fly to America to buy a car seat just because America says its the best??? I don't think so. There is nothing wrong with what any of these mothers are doing. All of these parents are doing what they think is right for their kids and its their decision. It's not yours or anyone elses. My daughter is 2 years and 4 months and still NOT at 20pounds, and I have her face forward. THIS DOES NOT MEAN I CASUALLY DISMISS HER SAFTEY. There is no way I would ever have my 2 y/o rear face no matter what the American saftey standards say. The American saftey standards just like any other countries saftey standards go off the average. They don't take into consideration special cercumstances. No matter if height is an issue, a child is over the weight before age 1, or far under the weight after age 1. It's not for you or anyone else to put parents down for making the choices they make with their kids. The simple fact of it is that it's their children and I know just as much as you know, that if someone was putting you down for the way you parent your kids you wouldn't like it.








 








Melanie I'm sorry for stealing your quote, but I couldn't be bothered trying to find her comment again.










Thanks for quoting this its a disgusting comment im from australia and there is nothing wrong with our laws we have the right to be able to go by the laws and not to be told by some americans that we need to turn out car seats back around. its like someone also tried to tell me that australia was not as up to date with medical standard. Australia is just fine and at least we dont have to pay for our medical treatment





I know what its like being told from a early stage that I shouldn't be doing something with my daughter. My baby was very premature and it will take her some time to catch up with her weight. Just before her 1st birthday she had a seizure that almost killed her and because I couldn't keep a mirror on the back seat to be able to see her (she always kicked them off, as she has had really long legs from birth). But anyway, IF I had turned her around earlier I might have been able to see that she was having a seizure and could have gotten her medical help a lot sooner. The doctors estimated that she seized for 45+min. So reguardless of what ignorant people say or said to me, it was very important that she was turned around early. And as far as people talking about the medical in your country. I've been there and I been in hospitals/doctors in both America and Austrailia and I know that there is nothing wrong with your medical system. And if you ask me, its my opinion that AMERICA is not to date with their medical system. People that are so stuck on America don't see that there is a functioning world outside of the American borders that are a lot more realistic in their laws.

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I turned my oldest daughter when she could hold her head up on her own for a while and was 20lbs. I think she was around 10 or 11 months.



My youngest I had to turn (I had a medical waiver) because she was too big to face backwards and was 20 lbs at 8 months. Her legs where bent funny (she was too big for an infant seat) and the dr didn't want her to develope any problems with her legs.



And I read someone said that AAP wants the child to stay rear facing until 2 years and I think thats stupid. Cars are not made for rear facing two year olds.

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Quoting Jesica:



Quoting Melanie:








Quoting Andrea:

I really don't understand what you folks don't understand about 1 year AND 20 lbs. The rule is quite clear and not flexible. I am digusted by this whole thread....it is like a car crash that I can't stop staring at. I cannot believe that people who are responsible for another human being would so casually dismiss safety standards.








For those of you in Austrailia....you may be following your nations laws, but laws are not always up to date. The laws of physics are the same no matter what country you are in and the simple fact of the matter is that children are 75% more likely to be seriously injured forward facing.

















All I can say to this is WOW! I'm not in any way saying this to be rude to American's. I'm American and I just think this is the rudest reply I have seen on this. Just because AMERICA says to do something doesn't mean its right. Do you seriously think that the parents in Austrailia or any other country for that matter would dismiss safety if they thought it would harm their child???? I'm so sick of the way many American's think that just because America says something is right, that they think they need to put the rest of the world down. Who is to say that the American standards are right??? What if UK's standards are the best or Austrailia's are??? Does that mean your casually dismissing safety standards???? I know for a fact that you can't buy the car seats that American's are so very lucky to buy in every other country. I live in Ireland now and I know I could never replace my daughters car seat should anything happen to it. So does this mean I should spend 2,000pounds to fly to America to buy a car seat just because America says its the best??? I don't think so. There is nothing wrong with what any of these mothers are doing. All of these parents are doing what they think is right for their kids and its their decision. It's not yours or anyone elses. My daughter is 2 years and 4 months and still NOT at 20pounds, and I have her face forward. THIS DOES NOT MEAN I CASUALLY DISMISS HER SAFTEY. There is no way I would ever have my 2 y/o rear face no matter what the American saftey standards say. The American saftey standards just like any other countries saftey standards go off the average. They don't take into consideration special cercumstances. No matter if height is an issue, a child is over the weight before age 1, or far under the weight after age 1. It's not for you or anyone else to put parents down for making the choices they make with their kids. The simple fact of it is that it's their children and I know just as much as you know, that if someone was putting you down for the way you parent your kids you wouldn't like it.






 






Melanie I'm sorry for stealing your quote, but I couldn't be bothered trying to find her comment again.






Thanks for quoting this its a disgusting comment im from australia and there is nothing wrong with our laws we have the right to be able to go by the laws and not to be told by some americans that we need to turn out car seats back around. its like someone also tried to tell me that australia was not as up to date with medical standard. Australia is just fine and at least we dont have to pay for our medical treatment

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Now that I've read some more replies... WOW. It sickens me that some people put so little thought into their kids' safety.



Look, their legs being crossed IS NOT AN ISSUE. There has never been a documented case of a child's legs breaking due to them being long and rear-facing in an accident, but even if there were, I'd much rather my kid's legs be broken than his neck.



6 month, 8 month, 10 month old babies are not developmentally ready to be forward-facing in a crash. It isn't about how well they hold their heads up, whether they can sit up, crawl, walk, or how tall they are. It is about the way the bones form, etc. If your baby is too big for the bucket seat, get a bigger seat. Take your kids' safety seriously.

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It is not just the AAP recommendation, it is the LAW that your child must be 1 year AND 20 lbs before you turn them. It has nothing to do with whether they are sitting up, it has to do with things like bone development.





I turned ODS at age 2. I plan to do the same with YDS.



Toddlers between their first and second birthdays are FIVE TIMES less likely to be seriously injured in a crash if they are rearfacing.



In Sweden, where seats have much higher limits and most children rearface to age 4 or 5, they have only about 6 deaths of young children per year in car accidents.



There is NO question that it is MUCH safer to keep your child rear-facing as long as possible.

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I weighed them when they turned a year old to see how much they weighed and if over 20 lbs then I reversed the car seat.

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I turned both my boys seats around at bout 5-6 months. They were much happier as they could see me instead of looking at a windaw or some toy that hangs right in there face. I spose it all depends on how they are and if they are happy facing backwards and if it is safe enough to turn it around. and how well they can hold there head up. My sister was the same aswell.

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Quoting Melanie:






Quoting Andrea:

I really don't understand what you folks don't understand about 1 year AND 20 lbs. The rule is quite clear and not flexible. I am digusted by this whole thread....it is like a car crash that I can't stop staring at. I cannot believe that people who are responsible for another human being would so casually dismiss safety standards.






For those of you in Austrailia....you may be following your nations laws, but laws are not always up to date. The laws of physics are the same no matter what country you are in and the simple fact of the matter is that children are 75% more likely to be seriously injured forward facing.









All I can say to this is WOW! I'm not in any way saying this to be rude to American's. I'm American and I just think this is the rudest reply I have seen on this. Just because AMERICA says to do something doesn't mean its right. Do you seriously think that the parents in Austrailia or any other country for that matter would dismiss safety if they thought it would harm their child???? I'm so sick of the way many American's think that just because America says something is right, that they think they need to put the rest of the world down. Who is to say that the American standards are right??? What if UK's standards are the best or Austrailia's are??? Does that mean your casually dismissing safety standards???? I know for a fact that you can't buy the car seats that American's are so very lucky to buy in every other country. I live in Ireland now and I know I could never replace my daughters car seat should anything happen to it. So does this mean I should spend 2,000pounds to fly to America to buy a car seat just because America says its the best??? I don't think so. There is nothing wrong with what any of these mothers are doing. All of these parents are doing what they think is right for their kids and its their decision. It's not yours or anyone elses. My daughter is 2 years and 4 months and still NOT at 20pounds, and I have her face forward. THIS DOES NOT MEAN I CASUALLY DISMISS HER SAFTEY. There is no way I would ever have my 2 y/o rear face no matter what the American saftey standards say. The American saftey standards just like any other countries saftey standards go off the average. They don't take into consideration special cercumstances. No matter if height is an issue, a child is over the weight before age 1, or far under the weight after age 1. It's not for you or anyone else to put parents down for making the choices they make with their kids. The simple fact of it is that it's their children and I know just as much as you know, that if someone was putting you down for the way you parent your kids you wouldn't like it.



 



Melanie I'm sorry for stealing your quote, but I couldn't be bothered trying to find her comment again.

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My daughter was 1 year and 12 pounds. I would have liked to wait until she was at the proper weight, but for medical reasons with my daughter we turned her around early. She was at the right age to be turned but because she was underweight she wasn't ready. We had to carry a note from the doctor with us explaining the importance of her being turned just in case we were ever stopped by the cops.

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before a year....my son outweighed/outsized the damn thing before he turned one. he is tall like me and ate really good back then. he was 15lbs at 3 months, shit he's 5 now and is already 3'10. how old is your baby, how big/tall? i was one of those paranoid moms who always worried but you don't want to wait the requirements if the child obviously is lacking room. I'd say when the child has to start bending they're legs for it to continue to face that way it is time to turn it around. you don't want them to be cramped either. hope this helps.

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My daughter was 9 months, her doctor said it was ok cuz she met the height/weight requirements @ 6 months, but I thought I would wait at least a little longer.

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I confess I did it 1 week to her 1st birthday but she was 22 pounds but you can get a ticket if you do it a day before age 1

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I waitied until around 15 months. She could have stayed a little longer, she was still under by quite a bit on weight, but height was aproblem; when she wore sneakers her feet would hit the seat. I would have waited longer if I could have. FYI - the seat was 30 lbs / 30" (one of those numbers is 32 but my brain has forotten that along with a host of other trivia).

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I waitied until around 15 months. She could have stayed a little longer, she was still under by quite a bit on weight, but height was aproblem; when she wore sneakers her feet would hit the seat. I would have waited longer if I could have. FYI - the seat was 30 lbs / 30" (one of those numbers is 32 but my brain has forotten that along with a host of other trivia).

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