What age would you allow a child to play Halo or another video game of that genre?

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/17/2011 ( 173 moms have responded )

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I'm asking this question simply because my husband plays a lot of video games for research (he's learning 3D animation and game design) So our 7 year old daughter sees him playing Halo Reach and she's played Halo herself a few times. So have some of her friends. I do know that some of her other friends' parents aren't ok with it so we do make sure they don't play the games. We're also aware of the age recommendations on the games, but have decided that we as parents can make the discision for our child.



I'm just wondering what the rest of you think about these games and if you've let your children play more first person shooter games.



ETA: Most of the time my 7 year old is outside playing with her friends or playing in her room with or without her friends. We make sure that she is playing educational computer games and her teacher says she's past most of her classmates in math and reading skills. Most of the time the Xbox is on my husband is using it to play a game or we're putting in a movie. Usually something Disney or Dreamworks because my husband also likes to study the CGI used in movies. We watched Despicable Me a lot over the summer and took her to see Puss in Boots for that reason

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Liz - posted on 11/17/2011

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I'm an avid gamer but wouldn't be making 18 games available to anyone under 18, no matter how good they are. They're given that certification for a reason. While I do not believe that video games are inherently bad for children (as some do), I _do_ believe that early saturation with violent images (whether real or computer graphics) leads to desensitization. I also wouldn't play such a game, whether for work or otherwise, in front of a child too young to play it. I don't play the MMOs and other games I enjoy when my daughter is able to see - I prefer to be spending quality time with her at those times in any case.

Further, not being able to play a game because it is rated for older ages is a good opportunity for kids to get a life lesson about obeying rules even when we don't want to.

I'm not passing judgment on you for what you are electing to do, but just giving my opinion.

Sarah - posted on 11/18/2011

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No, no, no! Excessively violent images are so damaging to children of all ages. Exposure to violent video games desensitizes children to reality of dangerous and horrific senarios. As parents we are the first line of defense against negative stereotypes and images that are children digest on a daily basis. Why let these dark and twisted images into your daughter's inner being?

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My older Brother regretfully allowed my 5yr Son to play Halo one weekend during a sleepover. My Son became instantly hooked! He has ditched his push bikes & balls & wants to play Army & Halo all the time. He demands all the Halo toys & constantly talks about Halo this, Halo that even at school where they have no idea what he is on about. We put a stop to the game playing saying they've gone missing. It's been over 6months since & I still hear him bossing his friends around outside saying he is 'Master chief' & they have to do as he says etc.

In hindsight my Brother wishes he had heeded the age restrictions on the game. Currently I hope he will grow out of this & get back to playing with toy cars & climbing trees :-(.

Krista - posted on 11/18/2011

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I'm not a fan of exposing kids to violence while they're still so young and impressionable, whether it be video games or television shows. I do think it desensitizes them to it, and exposes them to stuff that their young minds aren't ready to process.

I would let a pre-teen play a game with non-graphic violence, like Final Fantasy. But the first-person shooters would probably have to wait until age 14, and the really graphically violent games? 17.

Were I in your shoes, I would only play those games after she's in bed. There are probably lots of other games that he can research for his studies that aren't quite so graphic, that he can play while she's awake.

But, it's up to you. You're asking us what we all think, and we're telling you. And at the end of the day, it's still up to you and your husband. If you're totally comfortable with your decision, then what we think doesn't really matter, does it?

Shannon - posted on 11/17/2011

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Well, given your last statement, it seems as though you've already decided that it's ok. So, with that said I would definitely wait until a minimum of 12-13, depending on the child. And even then that might be too young for most. Those ratings are put on there for a reason. It's because most children can't process the material yet in a mature enough manner until at least that age recommended on the box. In the end you are the parent. You have to decide - no one else.

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Katherine - posted on 11/24/2011

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Crystal - posted on 11/24/2011

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Genevieve,
You bring up a good point in your post. However, as a mother who has boys playing these type of video games (or seeing others play them.) I can tell you that it's a lot easier to teach my boys to do things or how to really deal with what they are seeing than it is to train my husband not to play something that he's been playing for as long as he can remember. Also, it doesn't help matters that his grandparents let them play these types of games at their house as well. So, I have to take the lesser of the two evils, and help my boys learn how to handle what they see/play.
As I have stated, we can't always control what our kids are exposed too all the time. Sometimes we have to make adjustments based on that fact.

Genevieve - posted on 11/23/2011

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I have a small question to add to this. I responded on page 4 and have just tonight caught up on the rest of the conversation. I do find that there is one thing that I have read here more than a few times that I just cant shake. For the parents here who do choose to let thier kids play more mature games why do I keep reading this over and over "I watch for signs of aggression, I watch for signs that they arent coping well, I keep an eye on how this is affecting my child...". Now I am not trying to start an arguement. But I will just plainly state that I have never had to check for signs of aggression in my daughter if she is playing with toys that are made for her age. I have never had to talk to her about if she is doing ok playing with her My Little Ponies and if they are causing her to think about things that bother her. I have also never had to have talks about death that involved guns. I will say I have never played these games. And that is not because I am opposed to them. I have just never been a gamer. So Im at a loss. But I do know that my hubby who likes video games doesnt have these games in the house. But that is just us. We have many friends that do. So I guess I just wonder that if you find yourself having to have these conversations with your kids does that bother you? Or are you using these opportunities to talk about things that need to be talked about anyway? In our house we do talk about death. And we watch a lot of nature programming. And also veterinary shows. So we see blood and we see death. But my daughter is used to this because I have worked in the veterinary industry until I had her and I have many friends that own clinics. So we get the royal tours. Some people would not let thier kids go see things like that. And some parents fast forward through the death scenes in the Disney movies. We never did that. Kids understand more than we give them credit for. But what are the games teaching the kids? Because I cant see that there is much worth in these conversations about what they have seen. In these games no one is helping anyone. No one is saving lives. And there is no love and compassion. I will take a line from a friend who is an avid gamer. He plays Flight Sim games. And when he lands the plane after the 5hours he has spent pretending that he has flown a plane he says "I just saved 86 peoples lives by landing the plane without crashing it!". I have to say Im short on praise for him. And I am crossing my fingers that when I fly the pilots arent giving each other high fives cause they saved our lives. But this is a grown man who likes to think he is doing a great job while having fun. Of course he is not stupid. He knows he did not actually save any lives. BUT. What do the kids walk away talking about after they play these games? Did they save any lives?

Heather - posted on 11/23/2011

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Actually Jaded means, "Tired, bored, or lacking enthusiasm, typically after having had too much of something." I am using the term as in I want him to remain jaded about the realities of violence. I'm not trying to be mean it just seems that every post that you have is a total negative response to other peoples responses. I'm not sure if you were really looking for advice or just wanted to to come on a forum and say "this is what I do with my children... whatcha got to say about it."
I think you lack the capacity to listen to people in a rational manner without attacking them. That's all I'm saying. Good luck with raising your children I'm sure that like all parents you will make good and bad choices. It's a part of being a parent.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/23/2011

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My daughter was asking about death before any video games were introduced because I'm a care aide and one of my patients had died suddenly. She asked me why I was sad and I told her. We also learned about The Day Of The Dead which is celebrated in Mexico in Brownies so Death isn't something taboo with us. I tried to avoid talk about wars but that happened because we watch the evening news.

There are games and things I keep her from. I can't stand where you shoot at zombies or real people and there's actual blood splattered. Or you see yourself get devoured by zombies. We all have our limits. That's mine. And we all have different limits for our children. I honestly don't expect everyone to be fine with their children veiwing T or M rated FPS games. A few of my daughter's friends aren't allowed to play them and since those are their parents' rules, we abide by them.

I'm not clear what you mean by 'Really Meggie to each there own... but u asked for opinions... and this is mine' I'm not attacking anyone for thinking differently from me. A few posts were deleted equating me defending myself with a child abuser if that is what you were refering to. And this was also asking what you did in your home and you did that.

By the way Jaded means that he's been changed in a bad way by experiances and made cynicle or pesimistic Just so you know.

Heather - posted on 11/23/2011

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My 5 year old son saw a few minutes of a rather graphic video game and immediately followed the viewing with questions about death. I personally do not want to have these conversations with my son just yet. I want him to remain innocent and jaded as long as possible.
Does that mean that I am going to shelter him from every little thing in life... absolutely not. I am just saying that for me the harsh reality of brutality and hate that humans possess is too widely portrayed in video games and I do not want my son seeing that side of humanity. There will be plenty of time for that.
For now I want him to be a kid with kids problems. If he asks questions about death I want it to be without images of blood and pain associated with it.
Really Meggie to each there own... but u asked for opinions... and this is mine.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/22/2011

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Aww Shannin! But what about Halo drinking games. Like you take a shot for each grunt head shot?

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How about no drinking while playing halo. Good compromise?

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♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/22/2011

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Pamela, guess what DH and I don't drink. But in my family during holidays my brother and I were allowed to try a sip of wine under the supervision of our relatives at the dinner table. It's also common practice in a few Italian families. And again in Europe, no drinking age and they have a lot less drunk driving incidents in comparisson with the US.



However this isn't a thread on drinking it's one on what you allow in your home. If you want to start a thread on underage drinking, be my guest.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/22/2011

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In Canada, where I live, you do not need to be 18 to purchase Halo or other M rated games. The legal drinking age here is 19 (In parts of Europe there isn't one so that should tell you something about Americans) And I never said my ideas were right for everyone or that everyone should agree with me. However thanks for the child abuser comment (which is really low because I know people who were abused as children including my own mother) You really are a ray of sunshine in my otherwise dull and dreary life :)



I know Katherine said if there were any more personal attacks she'd close the thread, but aside from your comments everyone else has been pretty much listening. I'll ask her to keep it open.



Again the M rating is just that a rating. As someone else accurately stated Halo is a rather watered down FPS. I mean have you seen Resident Evil or Gears of War? I wouldn't want to play those games with my kids asleep in a sound proof room. May I ask if you've ever played Halo before or if you're just going by the ratings?



And yes, I marked your post as funny because it is. I have a twisted sense of humour and I find your attempts to belittle my choices as a parent quite droll.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/22/2011

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I've found that if you have a question about a game or movie your child wants to watch that's above the age limit that the best bet is to watch it first. You know your child better than any media industry.

Tasha - posted on 11/22/2011

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I agree Tobie! It's not good to shelter your children. They will find out anyway and it's best they find out from you and teach them right from wrong so they don't sneak around and find out on their own.

Tobie - posted on 11/22/2011

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I have teens as well as a 7 year old...all boys. My 7 year old has been watching his brothers play these games since he was just a toddler. He picked up a game controller at about age 3 or 4 and was playing the Lego games. He became very good at using the controller by age 5. At about age 5 he moved on to FPSs and played with his brothers and dad. My son is very active. He plays outside, jumps on trampoline, wrestles on a team, and super skinny. He does very well in school. Playing the games helped him in math and is encouraging him to read. He knew all about tally marks when he started 1st grade because he played Call of Duty.

Those ratings are just guides for parents to make decisions based on their own judgement. I made the decision that my 5 year old (at the time) could play them. I choose not to shelter my child from bad language, but rather expose him and teach him the right way to respond to it. We talk about what is real and what is not and he understands. As his parent, I guide him through these things instead of sheltering him. That's my choice.

Halo is one of the more watered down FPS games out there.

Carol - posted on 11/22/2011

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Heidi, I went to the site you just mentioned and I think it will help us reach a happy medium (but hey I'm not the conflict solver here). Here is a quote from a respectable website:

Other research suggests that active parental involvement in children's media usage-including discussing the inappropriateness of violent solutions to real life conflicts, reducing time spent on violent media, and generating alternative nonviolent solutions to problems-all can reduce the impact of media violence on children and youth (Anderson et al., 2003).

I think this is pretty much what all of us as mothers stuggle to do every day. There really is doubtfully any one of us who wants to see violence or live in a violent world and I applaud you for your efforts to end all violence. My daughter will probably find a way, too. Your little one is so cute. Sweet and cuddly, innocent. Keep her that way as long as you can, but know that there will in the future be influences in the world that will hard for her to resist. Like, candy, toys, pets, then video games. Then you will need to pick your battles like we all did. It is entirely possible to raise intelligent, thoughtful, kind children who watched tv and played video games. My son's favorite thing to do right now is ride his bike to a park and draw on paper with art pencils, alone with his thoughts. My daughter's? Be with her friends and play her bassoon. Sometimes when you loosen the reins a bit and have fewer restrictions, kids have less to fight about and they lose interest and walk away and read a book. Pretty amazing!
So good luck all you Moms! Parenting ain't Easy!

Sharlene - posted on 11/22/2011

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LOL , Meggie ,You should.nt put this thread in the debating moms LMFAS .cheers

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/22/2011

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Heidi, beg your pardon, but I'm not interested. My daughter doesn't play Halo enough for it to do anying but improve hand eye coordination. I'm sure your intentions are good, but I've done enough research myself including on ADD and ADHD and the effects of video games. It's also something that's talked about at my husband's school.



I agree with Marla that we are all great mothers and that we all have different opinions on what's best for our children.



By the way Left 4 Dead both 1 and 2 are all about killing zombies. I told my husband flat out that it's not something I want Abby playing or watching because there is more violence and gore and you do see your character ripped apart and killed by zombies if you die. I'll gladly wait another 7 years before allowing my child to play that.

Marla - posted on 11/22/2011

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We are all great Mothers. Our children love us no matter what. I have never heard of left 4 dead. From what all you have said it's not a good game. My husband and 18 year old son are gamers. Just know that we all have different opinions and we as Mothers know what's best for our own Children.

Dana - posted on 11/22/2011

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My sons only 4 but he watches alot of those games I think kids shouldn't play thoughs kinda games till 12 -13 specially left 4 dead but that my opinion

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/22/2011

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I agree with that too Kim that when games are played too much that there are noticable changes which is why I'm glad my 7 year old isn't as interested in video games. She usually just sits with her step dad for a few minutes then gets bored and does something else.

I've always been a big fan of doing everything in moderation and that includes video games. I also don't allow my daughter to play with toy guns (except squirt guns) and pretend to shoot her friends like some of her friends do. To me that doesn't seem safe because then you could get a child thinking that guns are just toys.

I wish this was easier at times for me. But I married someone who is not only a gamer, but learning to design and create video games. I'd rather decide on movies myself :)

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Groovy Girl - posted on 11/22/2011

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I clicked on this thread because i am faced with the "Christmas List" from my 11 year old. It includes many things that i know nothing about. Modern Warfare 3, Paintball Gun, etc, etc. This thread has been helpful to me to make my decision. I am going to chose to not let him have these games that are rated "M". However several of his friends are allowed to play these games and he plays them when he is at their homes.
Even though the intent of the thread was just a question and a question that i too was curious about, it sure did spark contraversy. Aside from the bickering, i did however like some things pointed out from both sides of this issue. Video games seem to me much like these ratings for movies. Yes, my 2 boys have seen movies that are PG-13 and they are 11 and 8. I have made the choice to let them and sometimes i live to regret it. Nightmares, language, sexual inuendo's etc. I am not perfect and i hate being judged. So, i will try not to either. I think that for as long as i can keep these "M" rated games out of the house i will. This is much easier in our house because neither myself or my husband are gamers. Meggy, you are the Mom and it is your choice. For me i do notice little changes in my boys when they play ANY video games too often. My brother is a gamer and his girls have watched and played "M" level with no problems that they can see. So, again i am the Mom and this thread has shown me both sides and i chose "no"for the games. Now onto to the movie issue. LOL

Marla - posted on 11/22/2011

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My daughter is 7 now and has been playing halo since she was 3. She loves those games. She doesn't play them all the time but she loves to play them...

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/22/2011

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Thank you Cherish. My husband and I both agree that Call of Duty is too violent for my 7 year old to play or even watch so he doesn't play it around her... or at all because he's not too thrilled with the story line. We also have restrictions for Resident Evil, Left 4 Dead, and any other more violent games.

Like you I also monitor how my child acts. So far she's doing fine, no nightmares, no acting out at home or in school and no talk of killing anyone. Also she draws and most of her drawing has to do with kitties, flowers and designing clothes. But if she does seem disturbed by something then of course my husband and I will take action just like you did.

I should explain that DH is a really good hard surface modeler so he also researches weapons and tanks and all that stuff. A lot of the research is also done on computers so he can make up for not having as much time to play a video game.

Finally you're right we as parents are the only ones who know what's right for our children and if they do feel bothered by something we should take action.

Cherish - posted on 11/22/2011

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If he is only encouraged to play video games for study, and they do not specify which games, then perhaps he could play games that are not so violent in front of your daughter or maybe even with her. My husband is a huge gamer and has been since he was young. Our kids are starting to take after him and love to play with him and watch him play. Our oldest, a 12yr old girl doesn't love video games, but enjoys playing a game with her Dad. Our next 2 boys, ages 10 and 8, are just like their Dad and are totally addicted. I have to enforce time restrictions with them. My husband is pretty busy at work and winds down playing games at home. He had been playing Call of Duty with them and in front of them and then realized that their behavior towards each other was getting pretty violent. They are no longer allowed to watch or play the shoot and kill type games. They have slowly become less physically mean towards each other.
I believe kids should be allowed to play and watch video games that are age appropriate. Becoming desensitized at a young age will only lead to future problems.
Good Luck! You are the Mom and only you can really tell what is best for your children.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/22/2011

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Pamela trust me I can legitamately justify defending myself when someone calls me an unfit parent. Ever been to family court for a divorce? You're allowed to have your lawyer defend you against someone saying you shouldn't have your children. So I believe in that I'm justified in my stance and in my 'attitude' as you stated to be upset when someone says I shouldn't be allowed to have children and should be in jail for my husband endgaging in a LEGAL activity. And I defy you to find a moderator on this site who wouldn't agree with me on the stance that I am justly allowed to defend myself and my husband on this forum when someone says I'm an unfit parent.

Heidi, my 7 year old is 52 inches and 50lbs I doubt she's at risk for obesity. Especially since her snacks of choice are fruits, vegatables and yogurt and she runs around constantly.

Now can we please get back to the topic of What do you allow your children to do and at what age do YOU allow YOUR child to play video games?

Krista - posted on 11/22/2011

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Crystal - posted on 11/22/2011

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Wow, the controversy this question has started!! I personally for one can see both sides of the coin. However, like Meggy, have a husband who is a big video game lover. He was going to become a video game designer, and was taking classes for that, but he can't draw all that great and felt it wasn't a good fit for him after all. However, video games are a huge part of our lives. We have a four year old and an eight year old boy. Both of them have watched my husband play a wide variety of games. My oldest has played some M rated games as well. We watch them closely for any signs of aggression or other negative side effects, and so far there hasn't been any. Do I agree that my boys should see or be around these types of games, partly yes. However, I also feel that kids are going to see and be around things in life whether we want them to see them or not, and this way, they can talk to us about what they see and hear!!
I have my two boys and a little girl on the way. EVERY child is different and ONLY the parents of those kids can truly make the decision as to what they want their kids to see and hear. We have freedom of speech and we also have the freedom to raise our kids within OUR beliefs. We don't live in a society where we have to conform to ONE person's beliefs. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Every parent raises their kids differently, that's part of what makes all of unique!!

Heidi - posted on 11/22/2011

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For anyone who is skeptical about wether or not Autism is related to vaccinations, please read....CryShame.org and ThinkTwice.org. From there you will find many many more websites on the link between vaccinations and Autism etc.
When you are done scouring these, write me then, I can give you many links between video games and violence in children/adults, sight degeneration, ADHD, societal disassociation, obesity etc.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/22/2011

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Pamela, I'm really really sorry that I didn't find someone telling me my husband is lying to me and that I shouldn't be allowed to have children as being nice and kind! Seriously I am. I wish I could be more open minded like you and tell people what they should and shouldn't say on the internet and how they should act. Really they should give you and Heidi some kind of medal because you're obviously better parents than me.



I KNOW that not everyone is going to agree with what I do. I don't agree with what everyone does either. But I don't sit around and tell people that they should go to jail because they are playing an 'M' rated video game. I don't agree with the woman who said that she lets her 5 year old play Resident Evil, but you don't see me jumping down her throat about how that game is violent.



My advice to you is to grow a thicker skin. Yes I know my response was rather harsh, but put yourself in my shoes for a second. I was being told that I parent wrong, I will end up with a violent child, I should go to jail and I shouldn't have children because of what my husband does for a living. And you want me to be NICE to those people? Sorry Jesus says turn the other cheek, but God gave us all free will. I believe I'll choose free will and decide what I will do for my children.



Again, not an advice thread.



ETA: I do find telling me I should be nice to people who tell me I shouldn't have kids because my husband will be making 70K a year designing video games funny.

Pamela - posted on 11/22/2011

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Go ahead and rate it funny, I too think it's funny you ask then snap at anyone who doesn't agree with you. Very laughable.

Pamela - posted on 11/22/2011

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And you've been given an answer. And to all the kind people who took the time to answer your question you have been very rude to. I looked up the stat's on the game to give you the best answer to your question that I could give. And in response you're rude to me. Why did you even ask the question at all?

No one said you couldn't read, I was just providing you the facts for the game you were asking about. Talk about defensive. I have to wonder why you are so bent on defending your decision to regularly expose your 7 year old child to violence. Do you feel it's an essential part to her development? And if you honestly didn't want people to give you an answer why oh why did you ask the question?

I didn't give advice. I provided facts and answered the question as to whether I'd allow it in my home. You clearly know it's wrong since you asked but now that people are confirming that you're getting defensive. Don't ask when you don't want the answer.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/22/2011

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Pamela, I'm not mad tyhat someone disagrees. But if someone states untrue facts or tells me I shouldn't have children because my husband is in school learning 3D animation and game design or questioning my ability to parent then yes I can get upset.



ETA this wasn't a thread asking for advice! This was asking a question.

Pamela - posted on 11/22/2011

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And I'm really wondering why you asked and then got mad at those of us who have said no. Are you just looking for people to blindly agree with your decision to expose a young child to violence? Don't ask if you don't want the answer. But look at the responses and you will see that Most people on here wouldn't even think about letting a child that young play Halo. You have your answer, but you made you decision long before you even asked.

♥♪Megan♫♥ - posted on 11/22/2011

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Shellie same here, DH and I both agreed that other FPS are too violent for my daughter. He owns a few that he hasn't played since we moved up here and he only plays Left 4 Dead when she's out. But he's really a Halo fanboy. We discuss what is and isn't appropriate for her and a lot of the other FPS are too violent for me so we agreed not to let her play those until she is older.



Heidi, that's great maybe some day you'll get the nobel peace prize unless Al Gore is up for it at the same time! I'm a hospice/paliative care aide which means I take care of people who are dying. I'm in health care I know about what causes most diseases and illnesses. I feel that ignorance is a disease that should be dealt with just the same as Parkinsons and alzheimers. If you're against something so vehemently, then you should get your research straight. Not attack someone for not believing as you do. You can't go out and destroy someone's property because that's just not a nice thing to do. It doesn't matter what your beliefs are that's just the moral principal of it all. I've also done research on behaivours and a lot of other things so I know what I'm doing for my children. My husband and I monitor what she does and assist her in making choices. She's in Brownies and does sewing with my MIL too. She's ahead of her class in both reading and math. And she's helpful with her baby sister, how many 7 year olds do you know who WANT to share a room with a baby? BTW it's great that you have time to volunteer and let your child colour on the walls, but that doesn't mean that you're a better parent than someone who allows their child a game of Mario Cart once in a while. Lighten up, go see a movie live and let live.



Christy, I've been asking for a Wii or the Kinect for Christmas, we only have an Xbox at our place. My MIL has a wii and she lives in a small town 2hrs north of us. My daughter plays the sports games on the wii when we go up there. I want the Kinect though because there are a lot more child friendly games and it's a lot more interactive.



Elizabeth- Ug! You've got that right! I even edited my opening post and it's still not sinking in. Halo is a once in a while thing for my daughter and my desk has a permanent dent in it.



ETA: Pamela. My husband and I are quite capable of reading. As Carolee stated last night this isn't a thread about trying to convince me or anyone else of doing something in the home. This is asking what you allow in your home. BTW the rating of mature is for ages 13 plus but it's more of a recommendation. My husband and I believe that our 7 year old is mature enough to know the difference between fantasy and reality. Other parents may feel differently and that's ok. The know what's best for their children just like I know what's best for mine.

Carol - posted on 11/22/2011

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Heidi, I'm not sure where you get your facts, but I'm a college librarian, so naturally I looked it up and here are some facts from solid sources:
Nearsightedness:
First, there is this one from the National Library of Medicine, a first choice on a Google search.

MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia
www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001023.htm
There is no way to prevent nearsightedness. Reading and watching television do not cause nearsightedness.

I know a little bit more about macular degeneration because my elderly (92) aunt in So. California, who I'm pretty sure never played video games and only watched Jeopardy, Lawrence Welk, and Barnaby Jones has it. AMD is Age related MD.

If you have lost some sight from AMD, don't be afraid to use your eyes for reading, watching TV, and other routine activities. Normal use of your eyes will not cause further damage to your vision. Link for this: http://www.nei.nih.gov/health/maculardeg...

I just don't want people to be mislead by information that is not backed up by more reliable research by professionals in their field.
Oh, and a bit more about my 22 yr old son, the gamer who has a BA in game design. As he grew up, his other activities were Boy Scouts (Life Rank), Trombone in school bands and church (also bass guitar). He and his sister went on mission trips and helped build houses after Katrina, worked in missions in NYC, SD. We have all worked at Feed my starving Children, locally. He played ball, he rides his bike so much, his tires were bald down to metal rims. He's tall, slim, handsome, well-liked. He worked on media team for church. We hold the door open for him for these experiences, but we guided him. There's not an ounce of violence in him, but whoa, the video games he plays now. I don't want to see them. But his life is full and we raised him well. He's the kindest, sweetest, Aspie, I know. In fact, he hugged his sister for the first time the other day. We all cried. That was big.
By the way, his sister watches and reads Stephen King and other horror flicks, but refuses to kill bugs and is a vegetarian, peace advocate and afraid of roller coasters. She loves her bassoon, playing tennis, is almost 18 and wants to major in Music/Psych, or Music therapy. She grew up with this "fake violence", but not an ounce of violence in her either. So Heidi, I think your sweeping generalizations are disproven.

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Just to add, put away the games until the kids are in bed, viewing it being played is just as bad.

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http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guid...

Halo has a rating of M-Mature:
MATURE
Titles rated M (Mature) have content that may be suitable for persons ages 17 and older. Titles in this category may contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.

No, I wouldn't ever let my 7 year old play that game.
Ratings exist for a reason. They are clearly presented on each game. Responsible parents follow ratings.

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Heidi , the vaccination / mercury link has been disproven, please read CURRENT research.

Krista - posted on 11/22/2011

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Ladies, quit it with the personal attacks. If I see one more person telling the OP that she shouldn't have had kids, I will lock this thread.

Krista
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Tobie - posted on 11/22/2011

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My child has been playing Halo, Call of Duty, etc since he was about 4 or 5. I have no problem with it.

Kristie - posted on 11/22/2011

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My husband's uncle gave our son(he's 8) at the time he was around 5, and just recently gave us the rest of his games. there was a couple of the Halo games. Scot plays it every once in awhile but prefers is Batman or TMNT games on his playstation(also given to us by his great uncle and one from his Papa). Since he's not that great at it we usually let him play it. My girls (ages 6 and 4) we let them play my Wii every now and again.

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I have a five year old and seven year old. I still don't let them watch anything with fighting....you know the old saying what goes up must come down? Well what goes in will come out. Kids act on what they see even if it's playing...sometimes they don't know it but even just playing it can go to far.

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Maybe I'm just old fashioned but what ever happened to Mario? My husband LOVES video games, especially Halo and others like it... but he never plays them when our children are around (even our babies) he waits til they go to bed. Recently he decided he didnt even want them in our house anymore, so now he plays games like Food Network for Wii and Mario and stuff that our 3 year old can play with him. We dont want to have a double standard in our house. Thats just our take on it.

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Rachel, just for a second stop and think about this. How mature is your 4-year old? Does he fully understand the implications of death and killing? Does he comprehend that the game is fake and that it is not "real life"? My 9 year old is what's called a "gifted child" which basically means he is just very highly intelligent above and beyond the norm. He can sit and have a conversation with any adult on their level. HOWEVER (and this is a biggie...LOL), his level of emotional maturity isn't so advanced (common problem with gifted children). I got a call from the school last year that he was having issues with anger and how he dealt with things when he got angry. He apparently said that he wanted to slice someone's neck. Imagine my complete SHOCK to hear that my otherwise close to perfect child was saying things like this. We finally got to the bottom of it......we found out he had been playing some rated M, violent video game at a friend's house. He wasn't breaking any rules because I had never told him he couldn't play them elsewhere, I have just always said they won't be in our house right now. The point is even my then 8 year old who is an extremely bright child (reads at high school level, is doing 5th grade math) fell prey to the thinking that because he got angry, he could think that it would be appropriate to slice someone's neck. Not that he did it for crying out loud but that he said he wanted to in anger.

So this isn't to demean your choices as a parent. Not at all and I truly hope you don't take it that way. It's really just to let you know that sometimes even when we think that something may not have a negative effect on our children, it can sneak up on us and on them and surprise us like we would never believe. I just think that a four year old's mind is so precious and so very, very, very easy to influence and program that it's important to be careful and make sure those influences on that young brain are positive ones. They say that a child's personality, way they treat others, etc. is established in the first five years of life. Best Regards!

Rachel - posted on 11/22/2011

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My son is four years old he plays halo and call of duty he is in preschool he's a normal child plays outside plays with friends he's smart. And I myself do not believe that video games affect a Childs development negatively as long as you make sure it's not too violent just for nightmare purposes

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Thanks for that Elizabeth, but the question was actually directed at someone else. BTW boys are usually the ones who play video games - so lucky you have a girl!

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Actually, my daughter is 16, she has a lot of other interests. Does she like the restriction, no. Does she gripe about it. Every great once in a while, she will come to me and present her case for getting more time. Usually I'll allow it as long as certain conditions are met and she'll fall through on her end.

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Never? I'd be interested to hear how old your child(ren) is? Good luck with that when they're in their teens!

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