What are your views on vaccinations?

Linzey - posted on 04/25/2011 ( 266 moms have responded )

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Did you get your child vaccinated on time, did you delay, or just decide not to get them? Why did you make the choice you did??

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Athena - posted on 04/28/2011

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I vaccinate on time. I have 4 kids. My youngest was born during the peak of H1N1 season, and was too young to be vaccinated for flu, not to mention, the vaccines were hard to come by. At 2 months of age, he contracted the H1N1 virus and developed meningitis and pneumonia. He spent a lot of time in the hospital. 3 weeks after being discharged, he contracted RSV and developed bronchiolitis. The hospital tested him for pertusis because of the increase in the disease, and my baby wasn't old enough to receive that shot yet. He had similar symptoms of pertusis. Because the results take so long to come back, he had to be treated for pertusis just in case. It came back negative thankfully. But my poor baby had to endure a lot in his first 3 months of life.
Also, my oldest, who is 13 now, contracted Rotovirus when he was 11 months old. That was aweful! He was so sick and had to be hospitalized for dehydration. The diarrhea last 10 days! He was so sick! They now have a vaccine for Rotovirus. If you've ever had a child who has contracted a vaccine preventable illness, you realize how important it is to vaccinate. Worrying if your child will survive, and weather they'll have long term problems from the disease is terrifying. I was very angry. It still angers me to hear about children who aren't vaccinated. Those are the kids who I don't want my children associating with or going to school with. Unvaccinated children are a health risk to all, esp the very young, immune compromised, and the elderly. But this is only my opinion because of what I've had to go through with my children.

Jennifer - posted on 04/28/2011

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Post a reply! To Jennifer T -It was not Dr Mercola but Andrew Wakefield and I never did take "their views " into account -but did find out later about some of the so called research and read up on all aspects of health and healing -food ,remedies ,prayer ,healing ,pesticides ,chemicals ,CDc,vaccine research and production ,breastfeeding etc but it came down to a spiritual more than a logical decision to me .

Jennifer - posted on 04/28/2011

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Post a reply!I had a "God gut feeling" that I should not vaccinate my daughter when she was about 12 months old -she had some done at the check ups and had a pale limp scary episode and my gut said No More ! I found a new Dr that was supportive and started on a healthier spiritual way of life .When the next child was conceived, I had a homebirth and no testing and he has had no vaccinations at all.We use herbal /alternative ways to heal and eat better than before -try to avoid chemicals as much as we can -it is a life change for the better for us -but everyone has to follow their own path /life .

Jenni - posted on 04/28/2011

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I find it 'laughable' when anti-vacs call pro-vacs' sources (like credible health professionals, non-bias agencies like WHO, non-bias government (the ones who pay for the vaccines themselves) websites, 'credible' experts in the field; bias, agenda-laden, profiteers.



and then.... wait for it... wait for it...



Quote sources like Dr Mecola and Dr Tenpenny???? The equivalents of Dr. Phil in the medical field. Using their psuedoscience to profit off their books and products. Dr. Andrew Wakefield; imfamous for trying to prove a link between thermisol and autism and then having to admit he falsified research and no link could be determined.



Hmmm... I wonder *why* he falsified research? Couldn't possibly be to further his career. I mean, geez... any doctor who can discover the causes of autism would be deemed a hero of his time... a regular Alexander Flemming. Not to mention the $$$ involved.



So before you jump on the psuedoscience bandwagon. Believe a set of doctrines by 'medical professionals' (I use that term loosely) who are highly regarded in their field as being quacks, frauds and scam artists.



Do some non-bias research... IE: biology 101, credible experts in the medical field, WHO, non-bias government information, and ummm common sense would be an essential tool to sift through all the propaganda and disingenuous sources.



Edited to fix: Dr Mecola to Dr. Andrew Wakefield.

Jessica - posted on 04/28/2011

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I am a big proponent of natural living, a healthy suspicion of allopathic medical models that ignore/deny the naturopathic side, etc...I considered seriously the issue of vaccinations for my children, and this is the conclusion that I reached.

The reason that our children are no longer likely to get the big diseases that kill or cripple children is because of vaccinations! This is an epidemiological issue - about the health of communities. It is important that we continue to vaccinate our kids, to keep the community healthy. When someone does not vaccinate their children, they benefit from others being vaccinated, and inadvertently put others at risk (although I know that is not at all their intention). There are places in the world where the diseases that have been eradicated in North America through vaccinations still exist, and so they can return, through unvaccinated persons.

Jerry - posted on 04/28/2011

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I know there are a lot of conspiracy theorists when it comes to vaccinations, but I never wanted my son to get sick...if he was due one, he got it! I wanted the best health I could provide for him. I mean, don't we want the best for our children?....Before vaccinations, I had a mother who didn't believe in them or couldn't afford them, I'm not sure...I suffered measles, mumps, and all the miserable childhood diseases that could have been avoided if I had had the shots. I didn't want my child to have to be put through all of that...then there's daycare...if someone's child has been exposed to a childhood disease and hasn't been vaccinated, and the other children are too young for vaccinations, they become susceptible to this...what right does a parent against vaccinations have, to expose our innocent children, because of this parent's belief against vaccination? This is how I made my choice. Good luck!

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Yes I have had my 16 month twins vaccinated on schedule and neither had any ill effects from them. I chose to have them vaccinated for their protection and let me tell you I am so glad I did. I live in the US in New England not to far from New Jersey. I am sure some of the others know of what happened. Well two women from France decided to visit our country. The two women had never been vaccinated and were infected with measles.

Sneaky - posted on 04/28/2011

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So I have decided to answer the OP's (can anyone say TROLL??) original question and guess what? My eleven month old daughter had her 12 month vaccinations today. Yes actually ahead of schedule since there is this annoying out break of measles in my home state at the moment.

She had three injections today - the MMR, the Menningococcal C and the Hib. And according to some of the anti-vacc posts I have read on this and other threads, that means that I just injected her with high levels of mercury and aluminum, a cancer causing monkey virus, lung tissue from an aborted baby, monkey kidney, monkey urine (maybe they didn't wash the monkey kidney properly?) and I don't know what else (the spit of Satan maybe?). And colour me surprised - SHE IS FINE! Better than fine actually, since if some diseased child of an inconsiderate, uneducated and pathetic parent who didn't vaccinate their child because they were "afraid to" breathes on my child the chances are that my child will not end up in hospital fighting for her life.

And since I am going all out here - I vaccinate and I NEVER did any research about it!
a) I didn't need to since the basis of all human existence is survival of the species and since the continuation of my DNA depends on the survival of my children I am going to ANYTHING to ensure that happens, even injecting them with vaccines (no matter what is in them!).
b) simple LOGIC (you know, that brain function that is suppose to start developing around the age of five) tells me that dead child from preventable disease = BAD, sick child from vaccination = BETTER than bad, chances of child having NO reaction to vaccine = GOOD, chances of child never dying from preventable disease = VERY GOOD.

I should probably add, before any one decides to get their panties in a twist and tell me how stupid, uneducated and 'mislead' I was - I did study the immune system, vaccines and epidemiology at university. It is my opinion that if more people bothered to study epidemiology they (like me) wouldn't give a damn what was in any vaccine, and would happily inject their kids with ANYTHING in an effort to keep them safe and healthy and stop the come back of these diseases.

While I am here - a few have wondered why our government (Australia) would buy all these vaccines and give them to our kids for free. The simple answer is - they did a cost/benefit analysis and figured out that it was cheaper for them to vaccinate every child in this country than it was to have those children get sick and have their parents off work to look after them, to have massive out breaks of infections that suck up medical and hospital resources and in the case of chicken pox, have generations of adults who are debilitated by shingles and cost the government even more money. Personally I would rather my tax dollars be spent on a politicians private jet than for that money to be spent setting up isolation wards in every hospital in this country. Just my opinion of course.

Jodi - posted on 04/27/2011

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Ok, I FINALLY had a moment to go to the CDC website that Sabrina so kindly told me to double check on the issue of mercury.



Sabrina, have you actually read the CDC info on thimerosal and vaccines put out by the CDC? I'd like to quote this bit to you specifically:



"Do MMR vaccines contain thimerosal?

No, measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccines do not and never did contain thimerosal."



So I'd really love an explanation on how the mercury in the MMR vaccine is causing autism, or even suspected of causing autism, or even autism-like symptoms through mercury poisoning.......



Quoting Sabrina:

"The ONLY vaccine that Mercury was removed from is the MMR."



It was never IN the MMR vaccine......NEVER, so how could they remove it?



It is also NOT in the polio, chickenpox or penumococcal vaccines. In fact, if you check out the tables, MOST pediatric vaccines are actually thimerisol free. Your mercury poisoning claims are actually quite laughable.

http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccine...



As I said, I already knew our pediatric vaccines here were thimerisol free, but, ahem, so are yours pretty much.

Kate CP - posted on 04/27/2011

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And yet I've had all my vaccines that contain aluminum and *I* have never had aluminum poisoning. So could it be that *gasp* EVERY BODY IS DIFFERENT?!

Jennifer - posted on 04/27/2011

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I can't remember who posted this earlier, bc I have been reading so much nonsense but she said it perfectly.....

I just hope those of you that choose to not vaccinate your children do not live by me. Keep them away from my vaccinated healthy boy! I have always had my son vaccinated on schedule and he has NEVER been sick. Oh' and an additional note--he has been formula fed since 1 month old. So the whole breastfeeding helps with having a healthy child, I find a little far fetched as well.

Kate CP - posted on 04/27/2011

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"... And in the case of things like Polio, the infection rate would in fact almost completely die off since natural polio isn't an issue with the sanitation we have today. Or society is no longer willing to live in conditions which allow it to flourish... "

Wait, what?? You know what the most common source of infection for polio was back in the 30s and 40s? PUBLIC SWIMMING POOLS. You know, the kind with CHLORINE in them? It's not like turds were just wafting by and kids were swimming around in raw sewage. It doesn't have anything to do with sanitation. It has to do with the highly infectious nature of the disease.

Sabrina - posted on 04/27/2011

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Sorry, I just caught this...

"There is more aluminum in chicken cooked in the oven on aluminum foil than there is in a vaccine."

That's not true either. Aluminum poisoning, (due to the high amounts of aluminum) from a vaccine caused irreversible damage to my body... But I have never had to be hospitalized over foil.

Jodi - posted on 04/27/2011

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Sabrina, you missed my point. You accused me of being wrong about vaccines not containing mercury. I made the point that where I live, childhood vaccines do NOT have any in it. So I was not, in fact wrong, I was correct that they do not contain mercury. And yet people are STILL blaming the vaccines.

And Autism and Autism-like symptoms are actually 2 very different things.

Sabrina - posted on 04/27/2011

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Anyways, ladies, I'd like to say it's been fun, but well...
If you care enough to find out any actual facts about this stuff, google Dr Tenpenny or check out her site (http://drtenpenny.com/about_drTenpenny.a...) If you check out YouTube I'm sure a copy of her documentary is there. She was an MD until she started researching vaccines, at which point she made vaccine education her lifes work over practicing medicine. But seeing how she was a huge supporter of vaccines prior to her research and she is an MD, she's much more of a "professional" than I am...

Have a good night all. I need to get some sleep since I have to be up in less than 3 hours... Good night and Blessed Be!

Sabrina - posted on 04/27/2011

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Thiomersol is 40% mercury, and it's always been the chemical suspected of causing Autism. However, like I just stated it's NOT the only or the clear cause. BUT, Thimerisol CAN be the cause of Mercury poisoning, which causes Autism like symptoms.

Amber - posted on 04/27/2011

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Yes, I have had chicken pox. And I have the scars to prove it because we didn't have the vaccine.

And having the disease doesn't offer lifelong immunity either. As I have previously stated, my brother has had it THREE times. The disease itself does NOT give lifelong immunity.

Amber - posted on 04/27/2011

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The illnesses aren't as deadly BECAUSE we vaccinate against them! Those who have been vaccinated will get much less severe cases than those who have not.

It is scientifically proven! If you stop vaccinating, the diseases come back in the harsher form. They WILL be deadly again, just as they were before and all the danger comes back.

Sabrina - posted on 04/27/2011

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Amber, have you ever had chicken pox? The chicken pox vaccine is only good for UP TO 7 years. Then you must get it again, and again and again.

Now, for a child, chickenpox is itchy, and miserable. BUT to an adult it can be deadly. The adult body simply can't handle the fever the way children can. So, if you miss your vaccination after the 7 year mark, or if it wears off before that or if it simply doesn't work (because even the biggest vaccine fans know they aren't 100%) you risk brain damage, sterilization, paralysis and even death - all things that can be avoided by simply catching it as a child. Tell me again why the vaccine is good?

Jodi - posted on 04/27/2011

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No, they do NOT contain mercury, they contain Thiomersol, which converts to ethylmercury in the body, not methylmercury, so it's physical properties and reaction are different to mercury.

And I am in Australia. Sorry to burst your bubble, but our pediatric vaccines are now thiomersal free. Sure, the adult versions still have some in them, but not the childhood ones. And isn't that what we are discussing here?

Sabrina - posted on 04/27/2011

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Anyway, I guess, based on your logic, if we all stopped vaccinating, the incidence of mortality would not increase again, right? We should just let these diseases come back?

Actually, yes, SOME of the illnesses would return. But seeing the HUGE amount of damage the vaccine related injuries being reported (21K+ in 2010) and the fact that the CDC stated they believe that only between 6 and 10% are being reported, I would say the illnesses can't do much more harm.

And no, the mortality rate would neccessarily climb, due to the fact that we do have treatments today that can keep infected persons from getting to that point. And again, there may be more deaths from the illness, but less from the vaccines, which kill a few thousand each year. So death rates wouldn't actually climb even if infections did. And in the case of things like Polio, the infection rate would in fact almost completely die off since natural polio isn't an issue with the sanitation we have today. Or society is no longer willing to live in conditions which allow it to flourish...

So COULD we see more cases of some illnesses like Measles? Sure, but these illnesses are no longer deadly or nearly as dangerous as they once were. And if we stop vaccinating we would have naturally stronger immune systems to help us fight them - which people did not have in days prior to vaccines.
And in the case of things like Polio we would see LESS cases than we do now.
PLUS, there would be no more injury or death from the vaccines themselves...

So yeah, I say lets all stop vaccinating. Sickness is NOT a bad thing. It's a pain in the ass but it strengthens the body NATURALLY and allows for natural inoculation to take place rather than chemical induced vaccination.

Kate CP - posted on 04/27/2011

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Shannon: Thanks. ;)

It comes from working with dogs. (And no, I'm not kidding.)

Shannon - posted on 04/27/2011

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I have the strangest sense of Deja Vu........ Kate... Jodi..... you ladies are my heroes, you have more patience than I in repetition

Amber - posted on 04/27/2011

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REALLY?!? Vaccines haven't caused a decrease in disease? This is the information for chicken pox. But of course, the vaccinations had NOTHING to do with the number of cases dropping 85%...Research people. Numbers don't lie.



Prevaccine Per 1 year:

Cases reported- 4,000,000

Hospitalizations- 10,000

Deaths- 100



Post-vaccine Per year 2006:

Cases reported- 612, 768 (85% decrease)

Hospitalization- 1,276 (88% decrease)

Death- 19 (82% decrease)



Dermatological Therapy, Vol 22, 2009. 143-149.

This a peer reviewed journal.

Kate CP - posted on 04/27/2011

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"Infection rates and death rates follow the same path. When you see a spike in deaths, guess what, there is a spike in cases... And visa versa. Where there is no infection there is no death. "

THAT is a bunch of bullshit. Not nearly as many people die of HIV and AIDS today as they did even 10 years ago. The incidence of infection is just about as high, however.

Sondra - posted on 04/27/2011

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Well.... I got both of my kids vaccinated and on time. Doing the research and talking with the doctors, my husbanmd and i thought i would be better and safer for our children to get vaccinated because all the diseases that are going around now a days. the flues are getting worse and getting the shot could prevent them from getting it bad! Do the research and talk with pediatrician and specialist. do what you feel is right for your baby!!

Kate CP - posted on 04/27/2011

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"As for the Autism connection. The director of the CDC did an interview a few months ago in which it was made clear that Autism "seems" to be caused by a genetic predisposition in combination to an early checmical exposure, and while this is not limited to vaccines they CAN play a part. However, most anti-vaccine or vaccine education groups will agree with the idea that most Autism cases are not Autism. Doctors diagnose before doing the proper tests. Mercury and Aluminum Poisoning have identical symptoms to Autism, yet they are not Autism. And BOTH Mercury and Aluminum Poisoning ARE directly caused by vaccines!"

That would be heavy metal poisoning. Lead poisoning in young children has the same symptoms as ADD. All the recalled toys that kids played with every day for months and months with high levels of lead would be a much more likely culprit than a vaccine with a small dose of heavy metals (which, btw, no vaccine except the flu vaccine now contains mercury) which a child is exposed to a handful of times.

There is more mercury in a can of tuna fish than there is in a vaccine. There is more aluminum in chicken cooked in the oven on aluminum foil than there is in a vaccine.

Jodi - posted on 04/27/2011

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"Infection rates and death rates follow the same path. When you see a spike in deaths, guess what, there is a spike in cases... And visa versa. Where there is no infection there is no death"



I disagree Sabrina. As I have pointed out, it is logic that healthier living conditions and antibiotics have decreased the mortality rate of those contracting these diseases because complications are less likely to develop, or if they do develop, are more likely to be able to be treated. I cannot, therefore, assume that infection rates spike at the same rate as the mortality rates.

Sabrina - posted on 04/27/2011

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Jodi, that information is VERY wrong. The ONLY vaccine that Mercury was removed from is the MMR. Please visit the CDC website and take a look at the ingredients for the CURRENT vaccines on the market, many of them contain mercury!

Jodi - posted on 04/27/2011

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And you didn't answer my question about how my government is benefiting by *tricking* us into vaccinating, because they are the ones paying for it, so I guess, by your logic, they must be benefiting somehow.

Sabrina - posted on 04/27/2011

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Infection rates and death rates follow the same path. When you see a spike in deaths, guess what, there is a spike in cases... And visa versa. Where there is no infection there is no death.

And as someone living with a vaccine induces disability, I would say I am specially qualified to say that I would happily risk the illnesses over the side effects of the vaccines!

Jodi - posted on 04/27/2011

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"Better Sanitation, Healthier living conditions and naturally stronger immune systems that came with those living conditions have had a much greater impact on illness than ANY vaccine"

This is not the same thing as "Vaccines DO NOT and NEVER HAVE protected against or stopped illnesses". I think we can ALL agree that OF COURSE better sanitation and healthier living conditions helped with ALL diseases, as did the advent of antibiotics for treating complications as a result of illnesses. But that does NOT mean that vaccines are useless. They are, in fact, an ADDITIONAL element that was introduced to assist in the eradication or drastically reduced number of cases of these diseases.

Most of the statistics you provided are purely mortality statistics. In other words, only those who died from complications of the diseases. These are not actual incidences of the disease itself. Common logic is that complications HAVE reduced because of living standards and antibiotics, that just makes sense.

Anyway, I guess, based on your logic, if we all stopped vaccinating, the incidence of mortality would not increase again, right? We should just let these diseases come back?

Sabrina - posted on 04/27/2011

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Watch Dr. Tenpenny's Documentary about the subject, you'll get your answers. Who is bwtter equipt to answer WHY doctors push them, than a Dr who pushed the herself for decades...

Basically the answer is doctors are not properly educated and are fed the same crap science as they feed their patients.

Sabrina - posted on 04/27/2011

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As for the Autism connection. The director of the CDC did an interview a few months ago in which it was made clear that Autism "seems" to be caused by a genetic predisposition in combination to an early checmical exposure, and while this is not limited to vaccines they CAN play a part. However, most anti-vaccine or vaccine education groups will agree with the idea that most Autism cases are not Autism. Doctors diagnose before doing the proper tests. Mercury and Aluminum Poisoning have identical symptoms to Autism, yet they are not Autism. And BOTH Mercury and Aluminum Poisoning ARE directly caused by vaccines!

Sabrina - posted on 04/27/2011

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DTP (later made DTaP) was introduce in the 1940s and we didn't see a drop in the number of kids with pertussis until the 1960s. The MMR wasn't introduced to the UK until 1988.

Not true. The first major drop in numbers was in the mid 30's... And overall the number of deaths had been dropping off since the early 1900's (http://childhealthsafety.files.wordpress...)
And the same rings true for Measles, Mumps and Rubella.

Better Sanitation, Healthier living conditions and naturally stronger immune systems that came with those living conditions have had a much greater impact on illness than ANY vaccine... The numbers are clear, you simply have to be willing to look at them.

Ellyn - posted on 04/27/2011

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lol, this is one of those parenting topics equivalent to debating about religion or political beliefs (and I think a few slams were made regarding political beliefs during the course of this thread already).

My husband and I vaccinate our daughter. There's only one shot we skipped because she's not in daycare and we will continue to do so as her doctor recommends them. I won't go into our whys since those people who agree with our choices probably already know and the people who disagree wouldn't listen anyway.

As for autism, whether your chance to develop it from being vaccinated isn't clear. However, the increase in reported cases of the disorder could also stem from the fact that the disorder is hereditary and with mild cases of any disorder in the autism spectrum is more socially acceptable than it has been in previous generations. Correlation, however, does not prove causation - but that goes for both sides of the argument.

Jodi - posted on 04/27/2011

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Sabrina, you totally missed my point about the doctors incomes didn't you? My doctor does not push vaccination because she gets paid to. Total and utter bullshit. I get sick to death of hearing those accusations, and not one single person has been able to come up with ANYTHING to back up that claim. Because they CAN'T.

Our government buys our vaccines. So you tell me, what is THEIR ulterior motive in getting us vaccinated? I mean, the government isn't making any money on it. Our doctors don't make any money on it. So, why would our government fund it if it didn't do anything?

Kate CP - posted on 04/27/2011

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"Again - IF you do the research you will find that NONE of the illnesses we vaccinate for LOWERED in numbers after the vaccines were introduced. In fact most of them had already reached their lowest points BEFORE the vaccines were brought in and then we credited the vaccines..."

Wrong-o, lady. DTP (later made DTaP) was introduce in the 1940s and we didn't see a drop in the number of kids with pertussis until the 1960s. The MMR wasn't introduced to the UK until 1988.

There hasn't been a case of small pox (outside of accidental contamination from a lab) since the 70s. The polio virus that occurred in children after it was naturally eradicated was because of the live virus vaccine that was commonly used. It is no longer in use in the US.

Seriously, for some one who touts being informed, you need to go back and read your history.

Sabrina - posted on 04/27/2011

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Again - IF you do the research you will find that NONE of the illnesses we vaccinate for LOWERED in numbers after the vaccines were introduced. In fact most of them had already reached their lowest points BEFORE the vaccines were brought in and then we credited the vaccines.

In the case of smalpox and polio, there are in fact still cases today in this country - the difference is that they are not SOLELY in those who are vaccinated against them. In fact the US averages about 25 cases of Polio every year, yet the last naturally occurring case was in 1979.

You can look at the information yourself...
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/g...

And I didn't say NONE did their research, I'm sure many do some but simply don't do enough.

And your vaccines are NEVER FREE! Someone pays for them, even if it's not you! If you have insurance, they pay, if you don't have insurance and you're going to some "free clinic" I PAY like everyone else that pays taxes! There is NOTHING free in this world! NOTHING! If you aren't paying, it's because someone else is!

Karmin - posted on 04/27/2011

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I am sorry but I don't see how any of you can decide what causes what or what helps you not get this or that. I whole heartedly belive everyone has thier opinion however under no circumstances should you say it is irresponsible or try to put in direct fact that vaccinations do or do not cause other underlying issues because we don't know for a fact. Even scientist don't know or thier would be no debate about it. Truth be told most medications whether natural or not have some sort of side effect. Whether it is Autism from vaccinations or stomach cramp from not eating before you took your vitamins. But to disrespect another mom or critize her for making her choice is childish. Mainly because no one here is perfect. Every person who has posted here has made a mistake with thier kids at one point and if you say you haven't you are in denial. Seriously don't you think it would be better just to write you opinion and leave it at that? Why for the love of pete would you continue to belittle someone for any reason....

Jodi - posted on 04/27/2011

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I'd be very interested on her theory of the eradication of smallpox too.....divine intervention perhaps?

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"Vaccines DO NOT and NEVER HAVE protected against or stopped illnesses."


This is without doubt the most ignorant statement I've heard all day. Possibly all week.

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