What are your views on vaccinations?

Alexandria - posted on 04/27/2011

Good for you for asking a very relavent question for your children. I work for a Doctor and he likes to refer his patients to wwww.mercola.com . Dr. Mercola is a medical doctor who has taken on the big pharma companies and legally blown holes in their advertisements and their misleading statements concerning their products and the effects that things like innoculations as well as many other topics.

Heather - posted on 04/27/2011

" vaccinations which are in my opinion useless and poison."

What a brilliant opinion. I wonder if you'll still feel that way when someone you know gets a fatal, preventable disease.

Busola Adenekan - posted on 04/27/2011

Post a reply! i make sure i get my children vaccinated on time becos its better to prevent them from all these ailments

Jodi - posted on 04/27/2011

Do your doctors really profit that much off cancer Kate?

Kate CP - posted on 04/27/2011

"...The only true way to ensure that your body has true life-long immunity is to actually contract the disease itself..." Sorry, kiddo, but that's the wrong answer. Even if you contract the disease itself there is no guarantee you will have a life-long immunity. That's not how our beautiful bodies work. Our bodies will produce antibodies to the pathogens they are exposed to for as long as it sees those pathogens as a threat. This is why some people can get the measles as a young child and then get it again as an adult (along with a slew of other highly communicable diseases). It has nothing to do with whether or not you received the vaccine. If a pathogen is introduced to the body and the immune system is functioning in any capacity then it will create antibodies against that pathogen. This is biology 101, people.

Also, Barbara, are you REALLY comparing adult cancer and the way it's treated to childhood vaccines?! OF COURSE oncologists make tons of money: cancer is a HUGE area to profit off of. Vaccines, however, are NOT.

Alecia - posted on 04/27/2011

i think everyone who chooses to not vaccinate (not the ones who cant be) should be left to live with themselves and then when they have to see the devastation some of these illness cause maybe they will change their mind. we dnt see them anymore BECAUSE of vaccines....u want to watch ur child get polio and be crippled for the rest if their life??? good, but i wnt let that happen to my child. its a bunch of BS propaganda that is scaring ppl into not vaccinating. the "dr." who linked autism to vaccines was made to take back all of what he said bcuz he LIED!!!! he made the test go the way he wanted....which does, unfortunately, happen too often with many things. i am not all about drugs, and i much rather find a natural way to do things, but letting my child get potentially deadly diseases is not the way

Jodi - posted on 04/27/2011

And I am saying, Barbara, that doctors are NOT getting paid to push vaccines for the sake of pushing them. I DO understand the power of drug companies, I truly do, but here in Australia, we don't have that problem. it is free here, so if our government didn't have the research to back up its decision to fund it, they wouldn't fund it. I am the same age as your daughter, and I WAS vaccinated. As I said, my father was one of the very lucky ones who had polio and recovered before losing too much to muscle wastage. He has had to live with some of it, however. I would never like to see a disease like this become common again, which is why I am so passionate about it.



As I have already asked, if there is research out there that is linking the polio vaccine to cancer, then please share. We are not a bunch of stupid brainwashed vaccinators. We DO actually read research, and make our decision based on our own evaluations, not because some doctor told us to do it.

Sneaky - posted on 04/27/2011

Jodi I think she means this "literature" . . . which is about a contaminate 30 FREAKING YEARS AGO . . . .

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/page_13.htm

Barbara - posted on 04/27/2011

I was talking about cancer not vaccinations which are in my opinion useless and poison. If you had read my earlier post you would see that I did not vaccinate even my 42 year old daughter. I agree that our system is the worst, just try to change a system that is owned by the drug companies and served by the M.D.s. I have worked in the medical profession for over 45 years, I know of what I speak.

Jodi - posted on 04/27/2011

"Read the literature and get a clue"

Well, that's just a bit insulting, isn't it? You are assuming I haven't read the literature?

Jodi - posted on 04/27/2011

Barbara, you evidently have NOT read this thread in its entirety, so I will repeat. here in Australia, there is not doctor that gets paid for pushing vaccines. How do I know? Because our vaccines are given by a nurse, and are mostly free. And yet (wait for it) I still vaccinate my chidren!!!! I don't even get it DONE at the doctor's office, I have it done in the government funded community health centre. So what were you saying about the doctors getting all the money again?

Sorry, but if you are in the US, your entire health system is fucked up. This is not just paying for vaccinations, it is everything. But coming from a free health system, I am not vaccinating my children (nor is any Australian) because the doctors are getting paid to shove it down our throats. We are choosing to vaccinate our children because it is logical and it makes sense, and it protects our children.

Barbara - posted on 04/27/2011

Vaccinations are not mandatory! All you have to do is sign the back of the form where it says you don't want your kid immunized.

Heather - posted on 04/27/2011

"Read the literature and get a clue"

I hope you're talking to yourself there, champ.

Sneaky - posted on 04/27/2011

Please post a link to the 'research' that suggests the polio vaccine is linked to cancer??????

(and IMO, I think I would rather live a healthy life and die of cancer later than die of polio as a child or live my entire life handicapped. Still, it would be interesting to read this 'research' . . . .)

Barbara - posted on 04/27/2011

Read the literature and get a clue

Jodi - posted on 04/27/2011

"The latest research is that the Polio vaccine causes cancer."

Please provide the research information if you want anyone to believe you.

Have YOU read the research on autism and vaccinations - please explain? Are you referring to Dr Wakefield's research? I think you will find a LOT of people have read that. And also read that it has been discredited, BECAUSE IT WAS FALSIFIED DATA.

My father has had polio (yes, fact) and has ALSO had cancer, so what does that make him?

Please, if you are going to make claims like you did, Barbara, at the very least provide some credible sources for your information. I am more than happy to provide credible sources for mine.

Sara - posted on 04/27/2011

Dr. Tenpenney explains why she calls it Saying no to Vaccines at the beg. of her book. There is A LOT of information out there on becoming vaccinated and why people feel it is so important. But for someone asking questions about whether or not it is safe, there is not a whole lot out there on the other side of things.

Barbara - posted on 04/27/2011

Are you kidding? These guys make huge money. I worked as a medical biller for 2 oncologists and we brought in over one million dollars a month!!! The drug companies supply them with all the free drugs they need AND while the drug companies are sharing free lunch with the docs, they are sharing stock investment info too. The more they give you the more their stock goes up. Don't be fooled by these people it's all about the money. There are many nautral ways to beat cancer but you will never hear about them because the would lose their jobs.

Heather - posted on 04/27/2011

" Have you read the research on autism and vaccinations? You should."

Um yeah, since my son IS autistic, I'd say I know a HELL of a lot about it. And there is NO NO NO NO NO medical link between vaccines and autism. Some moron quack of a doctor in Europe started that crap and every spongey-brained person in the world just soaked it right up. Nevermind that he later was forced to admit that he FAKED his tests and there was NO connection. No one wants to pay attention to that part because then there'd be nothing to panic about, and what fun is that??

Heather - posted on 04/27/2011

Well. If the dr MIGHT make a couple dollars by vaccinating our children (wait, you mean getting paid for doing their JOB?!) then forget that. Just for that reason alone we should all let generations to come be fully disease-ridden. God forbid a doctor get paid!!
Give me a break.

Jodi - posted on 04/27/2011

How can a book called "Say No to Vaccines" be totally presenting facts if there are facts on both sides of the fence (your words.....)?????

Barbara - posted on 04/27/2011

Unfortunately my husband and I received all our shots. But our children starting with our 42 year old daughter all the way down to our 4 year old grand-daughter did not get any. The research against vaccinations is startling. I would not poison my family with these needless drugs. Have you read the research on autism and vaccinations? You should. The latest research is that the Polio vaccine causes cancer.

Sara - posted on 04/27/2011

There are a lot of facts out there, on both sides of the fence. You need to be looking for yourself, not just listening to your doctor. I've had situations where my doctor has perscribed medication and it was indeed wrong for my baby (only learned this from the pharmacist) I would trust a pharmacist any day over a doctor when talking about drugs...but anyway...
Get the facts!!! Do not only look at what the medical community is telling us, but look at the other side too. Dare yourself to be completely open for your child.
I did vaccinate my son, but have not fully vaccinated my 1st daughter and my 2nd daughter will not receive any.
Just because someone gets vaccinated, does not mean they will not contract the disease. All it means, is that the body has made an antibody. The only true way to ensure that your body has true life-long immunity is to actually contract the disease itself.
Dr. Sears wrote the Vaccines book and is a pretty straightforward account of all vaccines and info on them. If you want something from the other side of the fence...since there is a lot medically out there...read
Dr. Shari Tenpenney's Say No to Vaccines. This gives A LOT of research about the history of vaccines and answers many FAQ about vaccines themselves.
And ultimately, do what YOU feel is best for your child

Alecia - posted on 04/27/2011

my doctor always tells me what vaccines my daughter is getting, what illnesses they are for and i get typed information on each. and my doctor had a baby a few mnths after i had my daughter and she vaccinates her baby...i doubt she vaccinates her own kid for money purposes.....i completely trust my doctor AND the research i have done

Kelly - posted on 04/27/2011

I waited until school age to vaccinations (first round yesterday for all 3). With my 1st child i asked nurse and doctor what each vacc was for as she laid them out to be prepared and she had no answer she just said they were mandatory, so I decided not to do any. But here we go on catch up so far so good.

Kristiana - posted on 04/27/2011

I have a son who diagnosed at age 3 with PDD nos and even with all of that we decieded to get our baby girl vaccinted on time with all. I think delaying or spacing vaccines out is a better idea but I would never put my child in danger by not vaccinating. In my opinion, these shots don not give our children Autism but rather jump start or activate something in their little bodies...but those are just my thoughts.

Sue - posted on 04/27/2011

Like all parents, this is a decision you have to make on the information you can get. My two (now 18 and 15) were vaccinated for the usual ones that have been around since I was a child along with Hep B and Hib Meningitis but I drew the line at the Cervical cancer one for my daughter as I felt that it had not been tested for long enough before being made available. All you can do really is inform yourself and make the decision for your family as you see fit.

Ginger - posted on 04/26/2011

all of my children got there vaccinations on time as a nurse I fully believe in protecting kids for all the diseases we can.

Kate CP - posted on 04/26/2011

"... immunizations are introduced into the body in a completely unnatural way. What is the body supposed to do with these 'benign' dead viruses, and chemical carcinogens?..."

IT FILTERS THEM OUT THROUGH THE LIVER AND THE KIDNEYS.

Honestly, the dose of "toxins" you get from a vaccine is trivial especially if you compare it to what we ingest and inhale on a daily basis. People want to blame vaccines for autism and our sick kids.

Nah, it couldn't possibly be the fact that we're getting fatter globally; that we lead more sedentary life styles, that we eat total crap, that we have poisoned the air and the water, or the harsh chemicals we use in our homes and on our persons as personal hygiene products.

Nope, couldn't be those things that we do EVERY FRICKIN' DAY...it *HAS* to be the vaccines that we're exposed to once or twice. Yep...that's GOT to be it.

Jodi - posted on 04/26/2011

I find it interesting, this theory about doctors making money on vaccines and that's why they promote them. Here in Australia, they are free, and can be administered in a Community Health care centre but a registered nurse. You don't even have to SEE your doctor. My husband has his flu shots administered by his doctor because he is diabetic, but he doesn't have to pay for the shot itself, just the appointment, which he has ANYWAY to get his quarterly bloodwork done, and his regular checkup. LMAO @ the theory that doctors have brainwashed everyone. Do you think we are STUPID?

Jen - posted on 04/26/2011

Funny, this was such a big, big issue when she was a baby. Now that we are putting two and a half years worth of poison (chemo) in her body and the vaccines are "null and void" now, it seems silly. When she finishes, I will re-vaccinate to avoid ANY other potential for deadly diseases as directed by the oncologists. They will not be the ones giving the shots, so guess I can trust them, huh? Heck, almost one third of their patients cannot even pay for all of their treatments, but they treat anyway. These doctors really don't get nearly enough money, so they aren't looking for a profit. I will say this, should they come out with a cancer vaccine, we would be the first two in line no matter the risks. Have a nice one, and may all of your children be healthy forever!!! Mine too after the end of the year. : )

Beth - posted on 04/26/2011

As I munch on my popcorn.... who says you turned out just fine' Karrisa? So many auto immune diseases on the rise... immunizations are introduced into the body in a completely unnatural way. What is the body supposed to do with these 'benign' dead viruses, and chemical carcinogens? Leave it to each parent to decide for themselves. Best of everything to you, Linzey. Keep asking questions, and pray for clear discernment so you make the right choice for your children. Don't let either side 'fool' you; there are risks to both decisions. Blessings!

Sneaky - posted on 04/26/2011

The OP has still not responded to my question about HER personal views on this subject so I am going to assume that she really doesn't care what anyone else thinks and is buttering her own tub of popcorn right now.

SO. . . . I'm not going to waste my time :o)

Jenni - posted on 04/26/2011

Office visits and vaccinations for children in Canada are paid for by the government.

Amber - posted on 04/26/2011

My SO is and NP who just finished med school. The drug companies make money on the vaccines. The price the patient pays for the vaccine is in turn used by doctors to pay for the cost of the vaccine. The doctors charge you an office visit for their time, that's where profits are made.

Jenni - posted on 04/26/2011

Like I said in another thread: My gov't is going to be pretty PO'd when they find out their forking over millions of dollars a year for a scam.

Why does WHO support vaccinations? Just curious. Are they making money from it? Is it a *global* conspiracy? Worldwide experts are all being paid off by different large pharmaseutical companies?
Man, my government is a bunch of suckers... they're at the bottom of a pyramid scam.

Ok. My head hurts now. Going to bed. zzzzzzzzz

Jen - posted on 04/26/2011

My daughter has Leukemia. Treatment is chemo and suppression of the immune system. If a child is not vaccinated and gives my daughter the measles or chicken pox, she could very possibly die. I am not saying that people shouldn't be given a choice, but which child should have to be isolated? The one who could potentially spread a virus that can kill other children (infants are as in as much danger as my child) or the infants and low immune system kids who have no other options?? I cannot say which side I would fall on if I didn't have a dog in this fight.

Kate CP - posted on 04/26/2011

I still find it humorous that people think doctors are making money on vaccines. They make money on you walking in the door, not administering a vaccine.

Shannon - posted on 04/26/2011

So glad I made popcorn.........

Joanna - posted on 04/26/2011

Ok, so you wont take a grain of salt from an anti-vax site, but you will buy into everything that the AAP (profits from drug companies), the FDA (funded at least in part by drug companies) and the CDC (funded in part by the drug companies) put out. Seriously! Anyone who is anti-vax is not to be trusted, but anyone who supports them walks on water. Sorry, I don't think so!
The AAP and the AAP certified doctors make millions from the "sale" of vaccines! And yes it is a sale, you pay for it. They sell it to you, and they do an awful good job. So to listen to what they tell you as unbiased truth is ridiculous.
If you chose to vaccinate- that is your choice. Just be educated- from both sides, or from an unbiased party. And don't tell me that if I chose not to I should run the risk of going to jail. If I did vaccinate, and my child dies, should I go to jail? Should the doctor? Who should if my child is one of the children who are paralyzed from a vaccine? I take my completely healthy baby in and bring home a sick, fussy, sometimes very sick little one. All of this mandated in the name of health?

Constance - posted on 04/26/2011

I had all of my children vaccinated. The only one that was not on time was my youngest because she has suppressed immune system and it isn't because of vaccinatons she was born with a rare birth defect CCA. All 15 of her doctors agreed that she couldn't have shots if she was sick even just a runny nose. I wouldn't have it any other way because I know that when she does get sick those are diseases she will never get.

Kate CP - posted on 04/26/2011

"Vaccines, all vaccines, are immune suppressing; that is they depress our immune functions. The chemicals in the vaccines depress our immune system; the virus present depresses immune function, and the foreign DNA/RNA from animal tissues depresses immunity. Toraldo, et al found that the chemotaxis and metabolic function of PMNs (polymorphonuclear neutrophils) was significantly reduced after vaccinations were given and did not return to normal for months. Other indicators of immune system depression included reduced lymphocyte viability, neutrophil hyper-segmentation,

http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/..."


Couple things, here.
1. I'm not paying to read a link. Sorry...ain't gonna go it.
2. Mercola.com is a NOTORIOUSLY anti-vaccine site, so I'm gonna take anything from THAT source with a grain of salt.
3. The chemicals in the vaccines preserve the virus and/or bacteria to give the vaccine a long enough shelf life that the vaccines are still usable 10 seconds after they are exposed to oxygen.

And lastly...read this article written by the AAP:
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cg...

Specifically:
"...The young infant is fully capable of generating protective humoral and cellular immune responses to multiple vaccines simultaneously. Approximately 90% of infants develop active protective immune responses to the primary series of diphtheria-tetanus-acellular-pertussis, hepatitis B, pneumococcus, Hib, and inactivated polio vaccines given between 2 months and 6 months of age.19..." AND
"...Infants Have the Capacity to Respond to an Enormous Number of Antigens
Studies on the diversity of antigen receptors indicate that the immune system has the capacity to respond to extremely large numbers of antigens. Current data suggest that the theoretical capacity determined by diversity of antibody variable gene regions would allow for as many as 109 to 1011 different antibody specificities.38 But this prediction is limited by the number of circulating B cells and the likely redundancy of antibodies generated by an individual..." AND
"...Children are Exposed to Fewer Antigens in Vaccines Today Than in the Past
Parents who are worried about the increasing number of recommended vaccines may take comfort in knowing that children are exposed to fewer antigens (proteins and polysaccharides) in vaccines today than in the past..."

Ahhh.. The bliss of information.

Amber - posted on 04/26/2011

@ Heather, that's a bit extreme. Shall we jail parents who do vaccinate their children and their child has a complication and dies? Or a child who dies in a car accident...because their parents should know that you can prevent car accidents by staying home and being a hermit.



I'm all for vaccines. I truly believe that they are what is best based on my research, but jail time is going a bit overboard, IMO.



*Edited to add*

Also, what about parents whose children cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons? Would you toss them in jail too?

Heather - posted on 04/26/2011

I think that if a child gets a preventable disease and dies because the parent chose not to vaccinate, that parent should be charged with negligence and face jail time. Just my opinion.

Jessica - posted on 04/26/2011

Vaccines, all vaccines, are immune suppressing; that is they depress our immune functions. The chemicals in the vaccines depress our immune system; the virus present depresses immune function, and the foreign DNA/RNA from animal tissues depresses immunity. Toraldo, et al found that the chemotaxis and metabolic function of PMNs (polymorphonuclear neutrophils) was significantly reduced after vaccinations were given and did not return to normal for months. Other indicators of immune system depression included reduced lymphocyte viability, neutrophil hyper-segmentation,

http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/...

Mary - posted on 04/26/2011

Get your child vaccinated so he doesn't make my child sick.

Jodi - posted on 04/26/2011

Why is it that people think that those who vaccinate have not read both sides of the debate and just vaccinate because they are told they should? Seriously, that is rather insulting.

Amber - posted on 04/26/2011

I personally have read both schools of thought. I have researched it extensively. And I am very confident in my opinion and my research.

I'm offended that you would assume because I have a different opinion that I'm uneducated.



I have never said that people who choose not to vaccinate were uneducated. When I see comments that have false information, I provide proper research. False information annoys me, but if somebody researches both sides and comes to a conclusion I'm okay with it. I don't agree with it, but I'm okay with it.



Just like you, I don't think that if you read both sides that you can come to the opposite opinion...but that's my opinion.





*Edited to add*

The two schools of thought I'm discussing are vax vs. not vax. I'm with Kate on the immune system. It only works one way.

Kate CP - posted on 04/26/2011

Rita: No...not there aren't two schools of thought on how the immune system works. There's only one...the one taught in medical books.

Alecia - posted on 04/26/2011

my daughter hardly ever gets sick and has all her shots thus far.....im gettting a headache from this post :p vaccines have NOTHING to do with babies getting common colds and ear infections...except u dont give them shots when they do, that way their little body isnt doing twice the work...but most vaccines are DEAD viruses...they do not cause illness....Lord, please knock some sense into some ppl so my kids and grandkids dnt have to suffer from others's ill choices