What is your opinion on homebirth?

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Libby - posted on 05/12/2009

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No no no no no! It would never be for me. I've experienced a stillbirth and a 10 week early preemie. And even if I have a perfect pregnancy this time (currently 16 weeks prego) I will never ever have a home birth. There are too many things that can go wrong and I want my child to have nothing but the best and easily accessible if he/she were to need it. You don't necessarily know going into it if they are or not. And I am NOT willing to take that chance. I know people do it for the experience, but my reason not to do it is because of safety.

Emily - posted on 05/15/2009

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Quoting Kelly:

I may not be spiritual enough or something, but since most of us have the option to be able to give birth in a hospital, why wouldn't you? What is the downfall? You can choose not to have meds and have who you want in the delivery room, why would you risk having your child at home? You as the patient get to choose what you want with all the medical personnel and equipment ready if needed.


I'm not spiritual either. In fact my lack of spirituality sometimes even astounds me. I don't beleive in God, spirits, unicorns or fairies but I beleive that home birth is a safe alternative based on empirical scientific evidence. I don't want meds, but I beleive that a woman who does should be able to get them. I always weigh the risks vs. the benefits and where to have my children was no exception. Hospitals are not risk-free zones. I am not saying that they are inherently evil in any way and I firmly believe that if a woman feels more comfortable in the hospital I am glad she has the option of giving birth there.

Tamara - posted on 05/13/2009

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Quoting Alison:

You should be really careful about who you chose to deliver your baby. alot of midwives have little to no medical training. i was told by a labor and delivery nurse that i am friends with that there is a midwife here in town that has had 9 babies come in who died because she has no medical training. and yet she still delivers babies. if you decide that home birth is for you, for whatever reason, check your midwifes background thoroughly and make sure they are licenced in the medical profession!


It is for that very reason, that it is best for EVERYONE, that not only CNMs be recognized and certified by the state but also CPMs and CDEMs so not just anyone can call themselves a midwife and make mistakes without consequences.

Tara - posted on 05/13/2009

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Quoting Libby:




I'm so sorry for your loss Joanna.  I lost a child too and the guilt I placed on myself because it was my body that failed her will never leave me either.  It's always...what could I have done differently?  I think when you make a choice as a parent it is a HUGE choice and carries a lot of responsibility.  One can not understand that guilt unless they have lived it.  And playing the what if game after the fact is a life long thing.  Not worth it in my opinion. 





I'm so very sorry for both of your losses, I can not even imagine, however, deciding to have a homebirth is not taking unneccesary risks in my opinion.



 



Some even believe having a birth in a hospital is taking extreme risks!!  I personally would never have another planned hospital birth as I feel that this option is more dangerous than a homebirth.  The infant mortality in this country is TERRIBLE!  It's around 30th or so of the developed countries.  Why, if hospital births are 'so safe', is our infant mortality so horrible?  Obviously it's not because those with homebirths are having tragic outcomes...If you look at Sweden, where most of the births are with midwives at home, their infant mortality rate is one of the best!!



 



Birth is a natural process...it is not a medical disease. Pregnant women should not be treated as if they are as fragile as if they had cancer.  Pregnancy is a normal and natural process, and women have been doing it for hundreds and hundreds of years.



 



Homebirths with trained and qualified midwives have the least likelyhood of having unneeded interventions.  Interventions include epidurals, constant fetal monitoring, constant checking to see how dialated you are, etc.



 



Many time, the c-sections that they say were nessecary may not have been, and had you been in a different setting like a birth center or at home, it may not have had to take place.  This obviously does not go for every person, but many times, doctors are very quick to do C-sections because they are afraid of being sued, so they go a head and do the c section instead of waiting a little for the 'problem' to correct itself.



My midwife has done hundreds and hundreds of homebirths, and only 2 have needed to be transferred, and only one "needed" to be a c section delivery, and there was plenty of time to get to the hospital because my midwife knows what she is doing and she knew that something was wrong and it was time to transfer.



Hospitals are great for true emergencies, but in my opinion, low risk births are better left inthe hands of qualified and trained midwives that truly understand what birth and pregnancy is all about.

Libby - posted on 05/12/2009

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Quoting Dawn:

To each their own....Personally, I never, ever want to have a baby without an epidural. I kind of see it like asking the dentist not to use novicaine! That pretty much rules out home birth for me :).



Totally agree!  I've had a 7.4 ounce stillborn without an epidural and you would think that wouldn't be bad.  Well, later I apologized to the nurse for screaming!  I never wanted to be one of those screaming moms in labor that you could hear down the hall.  LOL  Epidural please!  But I think the choice goes beyond pain meds or no pain meds. 

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Amy - posted on 04/15/2013

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Personally I think a home birth is a totally selfish thing a human being can do. As a NICU nurse I have seen 4 (granted that's a small number, but is it small if one of them was yours) home births that ended up fatal due to asphixiation, mecomium. These babies were brain dead for weeks but made to be kept alive because their parents could not deal with the fact that their baby was dead. If those babies were born at the hospital guaranteed they would have lived . Blame the midwife, possibly. But the real blame goes to the educated idiot that puts an innocent life at risk for the petty want of their own. one hundred yrs ago people were born at home because there was not the obstetric services like today. Infant mortality was high. With the easy accessibility of health care now why would someone even take a chance no matter how small with a life they say they want and love. Ask someone who has been trying to have a child and can't if they would chance it

Caroline - posted on 05/20/2009

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i hope to do my next baby at home ...i know lots of moms who have done it and they wouldnt change it for the world ...i just wish i knew all my options before i had my other children...educate your self well

Kate - posted on 05/20/2009

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Quoting Natalie:


 i realised with a hospital birth I can leave all my labour baggage in hospital, but with a home birth you see everything, all the mess and it's all right there in your face, and i couldn't handle it.....nope not for me, i want to leave all the horrible stuff at the hospital doors ! ha ha


Just so you know, well-trained midwives will clean up everything before they leave.  You don't actually have to do that yourself.  If that's your strongest reason for not wanting a home birth (not wanting to be reminded of the pain), you should look into it more.  I know it's not for everyone, but this shouldn't be a concern.  Honestly I wasn't convinced it was for me until I sat down to really discuss it with the midwives.



For me, I'm just not comfortable away from home.  I don't like to travel very much.  I didn't like being in the hospital.  I ignored what I felt like during my first labor because I felt like I needed to "deal" with the hospital staff and with the visitors I had.  I didn't feel like I could just go to sleep or do whatever I truly felt like doing.  I think at home, the second time, I will feel free to do whatever I need to do, to be a little selfish!  Which is what any laboring woman needs.  And if you find that comfort in a hospital, that's fine for you -- but I don't.  (Not directing this at you, but at everyone who thinks hospital births are the only way to go.)

Libby - posted on 05/20/2009

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Quoting Emily:



Quoting Lisa:




Quoting Libby:

No no no no no! It would never be for me. I've experienced a stillbirth and a 10 week early preemie. And even if I have a perfect pregnancy this time (currently 16 weeks prego) I will never ever have a home birth. There are too many things that can go wrong and I want my child to have nothing but the best and easily accessible if he/she were to need it. You don't necessarily know going into it if they are or not. And I am NOT willing to take that chance. I know people do it for the experience, but my reason not to do it is because of safety.







I completly agree with Libby,  There are just so many things that can go wrong fast.  I know of a baby that was clinically brain dead because the midwife could not get him to start breathing.  The doctors and nurses are very well trained and have all of the available equipment and technology to ensure you and your baby recieve the best of care.  I had both babies in the hospital and was very pleased with the way we were cared for.  Birth is such a small part of your future with that baby, I think I would give up the perhaps "ideal" in home birth for the security of the hospital. 









 






It's unfortunate that you view your birth experience that way. Sometimes hospitals do that to you.





Lisa,



 



There is NOTHING wrong with having a wonderful birthing experience in a hospital!  Don't ever let anybody make you feel that your experience is wrong and wasn't wonderful and successful.  Your comfort zone is YOUR comfort zone.  That is your decision that you have to live with, nobody else (except your baby)!

Libby - posted on 05/20/2009

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Quoting Emily:



Quoting Lisa:




Quoting Libby:

No no no no no! It would never be for me. I've experienced a stillbirth and a 10 week early preemie. And even if I have a perfect pregnancy this time (currently 16 weeks prego) I will never ever have a home birth. There are too many things that can go wrong and I want my child to have nothing but the best and easily accessible if he/she were to need it. You don't necessarily know going into it if they are or not. And I am NOT willing to take that chance. I know people do it for the experience, but my reason not to do it is because of safety.







I completly agree with Libby,  There are just so many things that can go wrong fast.  I know of a baby that was clinically brain dead because the midwife could not get him to start breathing.  The doctors and nurses are very well trained and have all of the available equipment and technology to ensure you and your baby recieve the best of care.  I had both babies in the hospital and was very pleased with the way we were cared for.  Birth is such a small part of your future with that baby, I think I would give up the perhaps "ideal" in home birth for the security of the hospital. 









 






It's unfortunate that you view your birth experience that way. Sometimes hospitals do that to you.





Lisa,



 



There is NOTHING wrong with having a wonderful birthing experience in a hospital!  Don't ever let anybody make you feel that your experience is wrong and wasn't wonderful and successful.  Your comfort zone is YOUR comfort zone.  That is your decision that you have to live with, nobody else (except your baby)!

Emily - posted on 05/20/2009

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Quoting Lisa:



Quoting Libby:

No no no no no! It would never be for me. I've experienced a stillbirth and a 10 week early preemie. And even if I have a perfect pregnancy this time (currently 16 weeks prego) I will never ever have a home birth. There are too many things that can go wrong and I want my child to have nothing but the best and easily accessible if he/she were to need it. You don't necessarily know going into it if they are or not. And I am NOT willing to take that chance. I know people do it for the experience, but my reason not to do it is because of safety.





I completly agree with Libby,  There are just so many things that can go wrong fast.  I know of a baby that was clinically brain dead because the midwife could not get him to start breathing.  The doctors and nurses are very well trained and have all of the available equipment and technology to ensure you and your baby recieve the best of care.  I had both babies in the hospital and was very pleased with the way we were cared for.  Birth is such a small part of your future with that baby, I think I would give up the perhaps "ideal" in home birth for the security of the hospital. 





 



It's unfortunate that you view your birth experience that way. Sometimes hospitals do that to you.

Libby - posted on 05/19/2009

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Quoting Lisa:



 



Birth is such a small part of your future with that baby, I think I would give up the perhaps "ideal" in home birth for the security of the hospital. 





I really like how you put this into perspective.  Very well said.

Lisa - posted on 05/19/2009

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Quoting Libby:

No no no no no! It would never be for me. I've experienced a stillbirth and a 10 week early preemie. And even if I have a perfect pregnancy this time (currently 16 weeks prego) I will never ever have a home birth. There are too many things that can go wrong and I want my child to have nothing but the best and easily accessible if he/she were to need it. You don't necessarily know going into it if they are or not. And I am NOT willing to take that chance. I know people do it for the experience, but my reason not to do it is because of safety.


I completly agree with Libby,  There are just so many things that can go wrong fast.  I know of a baby that was clinically brain dead because the midwife could not get him to start breathing.  The doctors and nurses are very well trained and have all of the available equipment and technology to ensure you and your baby recieve the best of care.  I had both babies in the hospital and was very pleased with the way we were cared for.  Birth is such a small part of your future with that baby, I think I would give up the perhaps "ideal" in home birth for the security of the hospital. 

Natalie - posted on 05/19/2009

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well before my daughter was born I always said once I had one labour under my belt and kind of knew what the pain would be like etc, that I would consider a homebirth with the next one (if i was lucky enough to be blessed again) and even after having my daughter in hospital, my midwife said I would cope brilliantly with a homebirth and told me to go for it wiith my next one, but in saying all of that, something changed my mind that i never even gave a seconds thought about before.



When I was getting ready to leave for the hospital when i was in labour I don't remember much but i was trying to get dressed and I left a few things around, like towels where I was laying down, I bleed a lot as you do whilst trying to get ready etc etc although my husband tried to clean up before i got home, he missed a few things, and when i saw them after getting back 2 days later form the hospital, they brought back the memory of the pain I was in like a train, it just smacked me in the face as soon as I saw them (and i had already forgotten a lot about my labour and pain etc by then) and it was horrible, i felt scared just seeing them, and i realised with a hospital birth I can leave all my labour baggage in hospital, but with a home birth you see everything, all the mess and it's all right there in your face, and i couldn't handle it.....nope not for me, i want to leave all the horrible stuff at the hospital doors ! ha ha

Vanessa - posted on 05/19/2009

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in addition to what i said above....

if i was planning a homebirth and i had complications during pregnancy or labour, i would definately transfer my care to a hospital setting.....thats what they are there for, to help women with complications!

i don't believe doctors have any place in NORMAL CHILDBIRTH.........they wouldn't know a normal childbirth if it slapped them in the face......they are trained in complications and interventions.

midwives are the experts in normal childbirth and if you wish to have a normal/natural childbirth you need to seek out a midwife to care for you (despite the place of birth). the midwife will refer you to the appropriate care if something deviates from normal.

Vanessa - posted on 05/19/2009

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typo (sorry)....AND its almost always never fully explained to the BIRTHING woman.

Vanessa - posted on 05/19/2009

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i am a homebirther....and i am very involved in the homebirth community in my local area....... no one i know disliked their homebirth experience and all outcomes have been fantastic.

i know one lady women had a post partum haemorrage at home.....and the midwife managed it well at home (no need to transfer into hospital in that case).

i know another lady who's baby had some respiratory distress about an hour after birth at home. the midwife administered supportive care until the ambulance arrived....then baby and mum tranferred into hospital via ambulance....baby given oxygen and monitored in the NICU for 24hours....then discharged home with no problems.

both of these women would not change their homebirthing experiences.

i don't believe homebirth carries higher risk at all. pregnancy and birth carry risk.....true. but i feel much safer at home and i am 100% happy to accept my outcome at home. if i had medical intervention and something went wrong....i don't know if i could accept that, because its not natural.

i know for a fact, medical intervention in birth carries alot of risk.....at it almost always never fully explained to the birth woman.

Kate - posted on 05/19/2009

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Quoting Catherine:

There seem to be a lot of traumatic experiences by women having hospital births and a lot of traumatic biths had in hospital, BUT has anyone had a bad homebirthing experience? Either something going wrong in the labour or bad midwives not respecting wishes etc.
It's an opinion I've not yet heard!


A family member's baby died during a home birth, due to cord prolapse.  But her midwives were fantastic and so was everyone else.  She was told the cord was SO long that the baby probably would have died even if they'd been in the hospital to start with.  She had two healthy kids before her third (who died) and is pregnant again, due next month, and planning another home birth.  I've never heard of anyone who hated their experience at home.

Kate - posted on 05/19/2009

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Quoting Catherine:

There seem to be a lot of traumatic experiences by women having hospital births and a lot of traumatic biths had in hospital, BUT has anyone had a bad homebirthing experience? Either something going wrong in the labour or bad midwives not respecting wishes etc.
It's an opinion I've not yet heard!


A family member's baby died during a home birth, due to cord prolapse.  But her midwives were fantastic and so was everyone else.  She was told the cord was SO long that the baby probably would have died even if they'd been in the hospital to start with.  She had two healthy kids before her third (who died) and is pregnant again, due next month, and planning another home birth.  I've never heard of anyone who hated their experience at home.

Kate - posted on 05/19/2009

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Quoting Catherine:

There seem to be a lot of traumatic experiences by women having hospital births and a lot of traumatic biths had in hospital, BUT has anyone had a bad homebirthing experience? Either something going wrong in the labour or bad midwives not respecting wishes etc.
It's an opinion I've not yet heard!


A family member's baby died during a home birth, due to cord prolapse.  But her midwives were fantastic and so was everyone else.  She was told the cord was SO long that the baby probably would have died even if they'd been in the hospital to start with.  She had two healthy kids before her third (who died) and is pregnant again, due next month, and planning another home birth.  I've never heard of anyone who hated their experience at home.

Kate - posted on 05/19/2009

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Quoting Catherine:

There seem to be a lot of traumatic experiences by women having hospital births and a lot of traumatic biths had in hospital, BUT has anyone had a bad homebirthing experience? Either something going wrong in the labour or bad midwives not respecting wishes etc.
It's an opinion I've not yet heard!


A family member's baby died during a home birth, due to cord prolapse.  But her midwives were fantastic and so was everyone else.  She was told the cord was SO long that the baby probably would have died even if they'd been in the hospital to start with.  She had two healthy kids before her third (who died) and is pregnant again, due next month, and planning another home birth.  I've never heard of anyone who hated their experience at home.

Kate - posted on 05/19/2009

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By the way, I am having two, possibly three trained midwives attending this birth. One has been practicing since the 70s and has delivered over 900 babies. I have looked at their statistics. They have only had 1 baby die (in the history of this group practice), and that baby died of a congenital heart defect -- not something anyone could have helped. If you are having a home birth, be responsible and get prenatal care and have midwives attend your birth. They are highly trained to deal with problems. The midwives aren't scare of babies born not breathing well, or with cords around their necks, etc. They know how to handle it and they do. I am not worried at all and I think people really worry too much.

Kate - posted on 05/19/2009

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I had a horrible hospital experience with my first DD...granted, it was because of the OB I chose and not the hospital staff, but MANY unnecessary interventions were pushed on me. I felt totally out of control.



With my new DS (due in July), we will be having a homebirth. I did TONS of research. Home births are very safe for women in the low-risk category. In Europe, most women give birth either at home or in a birthing center with midwives, NOT in a hospital with OBS -- and they have lower infant mortality rates. In fact, the US has the highest rates of interventions (C/S rate is over 30%) and also the highest infant mortality rate of any developed country. I think that interventions are VERY great for those who need them, but most women don't.



In a hospital I'd have to write a birth plan and spend every minute of my labor and post-partum time arguing with the staff over whether or not they were going to take my baby and what they were doing to her, if they were feeding her formula or putting disposable diapers on her or if they needed to give us medication, etc. At home none of this will be forced on me. I will simply get to choose. There are hospitals 10 minutes away if I need them, but since I had an uncomplicated pregnancy/delivery the first time and uncomplicated pregnancy this time, I don't anticipate complications. I don't think most women should, because it just won't happen. Pregnancy and delivery are NATURAL and the medicalization of it is just terrible. Again -- necessary for some but WAY overused.

Emily - posted on 05/19/2009

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Quoting Katie:

I am a mom of three boys all born in a hospital with no epidural, my first had shoulder dystocia and if I had not been in a hospital setting he would not be healthy today! I am also a NICU nurse and have taken care of many home birth babies, that did not do as well and have permanent problems. Believe me anything can go wrong even at the last minute, but the key is, immediate help available, Those babies that are resuscitated immediately with the proper eqipment and trained personnel have much better outcomes. It may be a one in a 100,000 chance that your baby would have problems, but why would you take any chance with your baby?


 



When having a homebirth, you are supposed to have a trained midwife and you really should have a neonatal nurse attending as well. That is my plan. They bring the exact same recusitation equipment to your home that they would use in a hospital. There is no better outcome either way.  They are also trained in infant recusitation, and take the same classes that you have taken.

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Quoting Catherine:

There seem to be a lot of traumatic experiences by women having hospital births and a lot of traumatic biths had in hospital, BUT has anyone had a bad homebirthing experience? Either something going wrong in the labour or bad midwives not respecting wishes etc.
It's an opinion I've not yet heard!





I hemorrhaged after my homebirth....and it was STILL better then a hospital birth.  You will rarely hear of a homebirth midwife not respecting the wishes of the mom (and *I* have NEVER heard of one...but i am sure there has been at least one).  In general homebirth midwife's are totally hands off and stand to the side and just watch.  They arent all up in your business like in the hospital.





Yeah, I hated my hospital birth. My contraction started suddenly, and were really close together. So went to the hospital, and received my first of numerous internals! After 5 hours at the hospital they decided to try and speed things up as I was only 5 cm dilated, and broke my waters. I had mechonium in my waters, which If at home would have got me an automatic hospital transfer. But the pain really intensified. Because of the mechonium I was then forced to lie in most painful position as it was the only position they could get the constant monitoring on my son. I still had to endure hourly internals. The only chance I had to get up and move was to go to the toilet, where I hid for as long as possible, before being dragged back. After three hours of the most horrendous pain, I gave in to an epidural as progression of everything but the contractions had stopped. I was still only 5 cm dilated!  I really feel like if they'd not interferred and let me keep moving it would have been over so much quicker being better for me and the wellfare of my son. It took another 8 hours of labour, my epidural had to be topped up further after only an hour because of the pain. When my son was born there was nothing wrong with him. A doctor walked into the room to examine him, heard him screaming and walked straight back out.



 



At home I had one internal when things seemed to stop towards the end, no pain relief despite my son being back to back, and it was all over in 10 hours start to finish!

Libby - posted on 05/19/2009

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Quoting Leanne:

I believe if it is your first pregnancy you should give birth in a major hospital, you just can never be to cautious. But if you've had easy deliverys previously then go for it.



One might think that would be a good indicator as to what to expect the 2nd or 3rd time around.  It is a great theory, but every pregnancy and birth is different.  My 1st was text book easy, my 2nd & 3rd were extremely difficult, now I'm hoping my 4th will be like my 1st!!  But I can't know for sure until it's over.  Keeping my fingers crossed!!

Alyssa - posted on 05/19/2009

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Quoting Catherine:

There seem to be a lot of traumatic experiences by women having hospital births and a lot of traumatic biths had in hospital, BUT has anyone had a bad homebirthing experience? Either something going wrong in the labour or bad midwives not respecting wishes etc.
It's an opinion I've not yet heard!


I hemorrhaged after my homebirth....and it was STILL better then a hospital birth.  You will rarely hear of a homebirth midwife not respecting the wishes of the mom (and *I* have NEVER heard of one...but i am sure there has been at least one).  In general homebirth midwife's are totally hands off and stand to the side and just watch.  They arent all up in your business like in the hospital.

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There seem to be a lot of traumatic experiences by women having hospital births and a lot of traumatic biths had in hospital, BUT has anyone had a bad homebirthing experience? Either something going wrong in the labour or bad midwives not respecting wishes etc.

It's an opinion I've not yet heard!

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I believe if it is your first pregnancy you should give birth in a major hospital, you just can never be to cautious. But if you've had easy deliverys previously then go for it.

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2 were born in hospital and 2 at home i didnt have any choice but to stay at home as there was no time getting to the hospital, i prefer to have my babies at home, my last child i had to have him at hospital on orders from the midwife, but only just made it as i was only 36 min in labour. the paramedics delivered my 3rd son at home with no midwifes about

Libby - posted on 05/19/2009

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Quoting Katie:

I am a mom of three boys all born in a hospital with no epidural, my first had shoulder dystocia and if I had not been in a hospital setting he would not be healthy today! I am also a NICU nurse and have taken care of many home birth babies, that did not do as well and have permanent problems. Believe me anything can go wrong even at the last minute, but the key is, immediate help available, Those babies that are resuscitated immediately with the proper eqipment and trained personnel have much better outcomes. It may be a one in a 100,000 chance that your baby would have problems, but why would you take any chance with your baby?



Thank you Katie for what you do.  A NICU nurse is not an easy job.  You take care of such delicate little lives.  You are very much appreciated!

Libby - posted on 05/19/2009

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Quoting Alyssa:


You continue to reply to my posts...so i will continue to "converse" with you as long as you continue to reply to my posts.  I am represnting the failing maternity system in the US.  Sorry that i am not blowing glitter up your hoo hoo to make you feel all warm and fuzzy about hospital birth.  That's not my job.  I dont agree with hospital birth, i dont agree with what  the US has done to birth and i certainly wont sit here and say "ra ra hospital birth" when i clearly think that is the wrong choice for most women.  If even 1 person reads my words and thinks twice about how she gives birth next time...awesome.  If people think i am b***h AWESOME I have gotten through to more people being a blunt b**** then i have blowing glitter up people's hoo hoo.






I don't need you to make me feel anything about a hospital birth.  Thank you.

Katie - posted on 05/19/2009

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I am a mom of three boys all born in a hospital with no epidural, my first had shoulder dystocia and if I had not been in a hospital setting he would not be healthy today! I am also a NICU nurse and have taken care of many home birth babies, that did not do as well and have permanent problems. Believe me anything can go wrong even at the last minute, but the key is, immediate help available, Those babies that are resuscitated immediately with the proper eqipment and trained personnel have much better outcomes. It may be a one in a 100,000 chance that your baby would have problems, but why would you take any chance with your baby?

Libby - posted on 05/19/2009

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Quoting Emily:

Libby, if you are more comfortable with a hospital birth that I think thats totally fine. Every woman should be comfortable where they give birth. Hospital, birthing center, home, wherever you want to give birth is the best place to give birth. I dont think there is anything wrong with hospital births, but just like homebirths, you have to be prepared for the consequences of all the interventions you accept.



Absolutely!  I have said that 100 times above!!  I never said I was againt a home birth, just said you have to be prepared for anything and be satisfied with your choice 100% no matter what the outcome. 

Emily - posted on 05/19/2009

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Libby, if you are more comfortable with a hospital birth that I think thats totally fine. Every woman should be comfortable where they give birth. Hospital, birthing center, home, wherever you want to give birth is the best place to give birth. I dont think there is anything wrong with hospital births, but just like homebirths, you have to be prepared for the consequences of all the interventions you accept.

Amie - posted on 05/18/2009

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Wow sounds like the US maternity system really sucks. I live in Canada and had 4 great births in the hospital. I don't even know anyone that's given birth at home. My care was excellent and I got to go home the same day. Well except with my first I stayed until morning. She was born at 1:28 a.m. though. =)



As for my opinion on home births, I would not have one and didn't. I'm done having kids now but even before I wouldn't have one. My sister would not be here though if it wasn't for her being born in the hospital. Her apgar scare upon birth was 1. She only got that 1 because her heart was just barely beating. I wouldn't say don't have one to any person though. It is up to the mother decide what she is comfortable with and find people she trusts to make sure she is well taken care of during labor and delivery. Yes it comes with risks but every birthing situation has some risk involved, even with a completely healthy and normal pregnancy. No one knows for 100% what will happen. Well a psychic might but until I meet one I'm convinced isn't full of crap then I might believe them. haha

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Truth hurts...sorry.  You are delusional in your way of thinking of what goes in the US maternity system.  If you dont want me to reply...stop replying to me.  It's very simple.










I asked you very politely many posts ago to stop conversing about me.  I suggested it was best to agree to disagree.  You have over estimated the potency of your words because they do not hurt.  And they are far from speaking the truth when it goes to attacking my character.  Just remember when you are pointing a finger at me you have three more pointing back at yourself.  I am not insecure in any way about my point of view.  But perhaps you are and that's why you feel it necessary to talk down to someone because it detracts from the real message here.  Again, you are not representing home birthing in a very positive manner.  How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you do have good fact to share when the rest of it is just ridicule?






 






To get back on track for the women posting on the topic at hand:  Hospital birth is my choice and the only thing I would ever be able to do at this point.  I don't think there is anything wrong with home birthing.  I don't think there is anything wrong with birthing at a clinic.  There is also nothing wrong with a hospital birth.  It is every woman's right to choose.  But honestly, what do I care what a woman chooses across the country or globe from me?  I care about me and me alone.  It may sound selfish, but I am worried about the health and safety of my babies and myself.  That is my first priority.  That is why I choose the choices I do for my health care.  That should be everybody's reason for their choice, because it is in THEIR best interest.  Isn't that where all of our motivation comes from, our best interest?  Let's say you have a very substandard rate of health care in your area, your hospital has low feedback ratings and poor health statistics.  Well, you obviously wouldn't choose to birth there!  Some people don't have much of a choice though because of their economic standing, lack of other options, and even geographical restraints.  That is ashame though that some women aren't free enough to choose what they would really like to do.  I would just say if you have the ability to choose that you realize you are extremely blessed!





You continue to reply to my posts...so i will continue to "converse" with you as long as you continue to reply to my posts.  I am represnting the failing maternity system in the US.  Sorry that i am not blowing glitter up your hoo hoo to make you feel all warm and fuzzy about hospital birth.  That's not my job.  I dont agree with hospital birth, i dont agree with what  the US has done to birth and i certainly wont sit here and say "ra ra hospital birth" when i clearly think that is the wrong choice for most women.  If even 1 person reads my words and thinks twice about how she gives birth next time...awesome.  If people think i am b***h AWESOME I have gotten through to more people being a blunt b**** then i have blowing glitter up people's hoo hoo.

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I think it is a little risky! Maybe if I had a couple successful hospital births I would think about it, but there is something to be said about having people to clean, and cook for the first couple of days while you recover in a nice place! I had a great stay!



Haha!  Yeah, my hospital has a really awesome menu to choose from.  It's kinda nice being waited on once in awhile.  LOL

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Birthing plan, thats hilarious. Most doctors accept them to appease you only. You honestly think that all doctors will automatically go by your birthing plan? It's really unfortunate, but most women get the eye roll and the "yeah....okay" when they whip out their clever birthing plans. Again, you said that you had a great hospital and a great doctor for all your births. You have no idea how most US maternity hospitals are. They think for themselves. They do whats best for the hospital and what puts money in their paychecks. Not what some woman wrote down on a piece of notebook paper.



Well then shame on those people that aren't doing anything about the substandard care they are getting.  Why aren't they changing health care professionals?  Why aren't they reporting these problems?  Why aren't they suing their butts off??  Americans will sue McDonalds at the drop of a hat if their coffee is too hot or their food makes us too fat.  But why aren't we being more proactive and doing more to demand the health care we deserve? 



 



I don't doubt there are areas that have poor economic statuses that also have poor health care.  But I also know that there are also great hospitals out there that deserve a lot of recognition, and even get it.  I can think of 6 hospital within a 150 mile radius from where I live that have great reputations for being highly recognized children's hospitals, cancer hospitals, heart specialists, as well as maternity care.  In fact, the hospital down the street just got a new addition to their hospital and they have an awesome brand new maternity wing with a great reputation.  That's not the hospital I go to and yet I still get good care at the hospital I have been to that has been in my community for atleast 2 generations in my family.  So, it is possible to get good care at a hospital and from a doctor.  Does it involve research just like anything else?  Of course!  But it is well worth the time. 

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I think it is a little risky! Maybe if I had a couple successful hospital births I would think about it, but there is something to be said about having people to clean, and cook for the first couple of days while you recover in a nice place! I had a great stay!

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I think it is a little risky! Maybe if I had a couple successful hospital births I would think about it, but there is something to be said about having people to clean, and cook for the first couple of days while you recover in a nice place! I had a great stay!

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Truth hurts...sorry.  You are delusional in your way of thinking of what goes in the US maternity system.  If you dont want me to reply...stop replying to me.  It's very simple.






I asked you very politely many posts ago to stop conversing about me.  I suggested it was best to agree to disagree.  You have over estimated the potency of your words because they do not hurt.  And they are far from speaking the truth when it goes to attacking my character.  Just remember when you are pointing a finger at me you have three more pointing back at yourself.  I am not insecure in any way about my point of view.  But perhaps you are and that's why you feel it necessary to talk down to someone because it detracts from the real message here.  Again, you are not representing home birthing in a very positive manner.  How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you do have good fact to share when the rest of it is just ridicule?



 



To get back on track for the women posting on the topic at hand:  Hospital birth is my choice and the only thing I would ever be able to do at this point.  I don't think there is anything wrong with home birthing.  I don't think there is anything wrong with birthing at a clinic.  There is also nothing wrong with a hospital birth.  It is every woman's right to choose.  But honestly, what do I care what a woman chooses across the country or globe from me?  I care about me and me alone.  It may sound selfish, but I am worried about the health and safety of my babies and myself.  That is my first priority.  That is why I choose the choices I do for my health care.  That should be everybody's reason for their choice, because it is in THEIR best interest.  Isn't that where all of our motivation comes from, our best interest?  Let's say you have a very substandard rate of health care in your area, your hospital has low feedback ratings and poor health statistics.  Well, you obviously wouldn't choose to birth there!  Some people don't have much of a choice though because of their economic standing, lack of other options, and even geographical restraints.  That is ashame though that some women aren't free enough to choose what they would really like to do.  I would just say if you have the ability to choose that you realize you are extremely blessed!

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Birthing plan, thats hilarious. Most doctors accept them to appease you only. You honestly think that all doctors will automatically go by your birthing plan? It's really unfortunate, but most women get the eye roll and the "yeah....okay" when they whip out their clever birthing plans. Again, you said that you had a great hospital and a great doctor for all your births. You have no idea how most US maternity hospitals are. They think for themselves. They do whats best for the hospital and what puts money in their paychecks. Not what some woman wrote down on a piece of notebook paper.

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Are women not making birthing plans anymore? Are they not discussing it with their trusted medical professional on what they expect during a delivery? I discussed my next pregnancy with my doctor before I was even pregnant! We all have rights, and it is possible that if you want a natural birth in a hospital that you can have one. I don't think we give women enough credit to be able to choose for themselves what they want and what they don't want. I think if we consider ourselves the weaker sex, then we are. If we can't be strong and stick to what we want then we blame it on outside sources. I however don't think there is anything wrong if a woman changes her mind from no pain meds, to an epidural. That's not my body and not my decision. But ultimately what goes on with me is MY DECISION. That is one thing to remember that when we are making these decisions regarding what type of a birth we have the opportunity to put it all down in writing so there aren't any confusions. Give it to your doctor, pack it in your bag if you are going to a clinic, hospital, or at home and give it to the nurses for your chart, your doc, your midwife, etc. Post one beside your bed if you feel that strongly about being swayed one way or another. But again, just expect the unexpected no matter what location you choose.

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Quoting Emily:

I honestly dont think you are reading what I am saying. In a healthy pregnancy, birth is never an emergency, medical event nor is it ever unnatural. the end.






Have you never heard of a healthy pregnancy (no complications, full term delivery, etc) ending up with a birth that ends up in an emergency or what not?  It goes beyond just saying a woman who has had a healthy pregnancy... b/c anything can happen at any moment of that birth.  That's what I'm trying to say.  I believe there were a few posts in this thread that stated a couple of woman had great opportunities to choose the home birth because of uncomplicated pregnancies and yet had a very complicated birth.  It goes for hospital births too, it can happen anywhere at any time.  So, again, you are using a blanket statement saying "in a healthy pregnancy, birth is NEVER an emergency..."   That simply is just NOT accurate.  Of course a healthy pregnancy is a good indicator for being able to choose certain courses of action during the pregnancy, labor and birth (ie; home birthing, clinic birth, etc.)  But any woman who has lost a baby or has had complications during labor (for whatever reason) can tell you that there are no guarantees.  These babies don't belong to us, they belong to God. 





 



Yes, and those sudden complications are caused by the very interventions you get in the hospital. Drugs, IVs, the inability to move, Valsalva pushing, etc etc etc. Hospitals medicalize births. And hospitals make births emergencies and unnatural.

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Quoting Libby:



Quoting Emily:

I honestly dont think you are reading what I am saying. In a healthy pregnancy, birth is never an emergency, medical event nor is it ever unnatural. the end.






Have you never heard of a healthy pregnancy (no complications, full term delivery, etc) ending up with a birth that ends up in an emergency or what not?  It goes beyond just saying a woman who has had a healthy pregnancy... b/c anything can happen at any moment of that birth.  That's what I'm trying to say.  I believe there were a few posts in this thread that stated a couple of woman had great opportunities to choose the home birth because of uncomplicated pregnancies and yet had a very complicated birth.  It goes for hospital births too, it can happen anywhere at any time.  So, again, you are using a blanket statement saying "in a healthy pregnancy, birth is NEVER an emergency..."   That simply is just NOT accurate.  Of course a healthy pregnancy is a good indicator for being able to choose certain courses of action during the pregnancy, labor and birth (ie; home birthing, clinic birth, etc.)  But any woman who has lost a baby or has had complications during labor (for whatever reason) can tell you that there are no guarantees.  These babies don't belong to us, they belong to God. 





 



Yes, and those sudden complications are caused by the very interventions you get in the hospital. Drugs, IVs, the inability to move, Valsalva pushing, etc etc etc. Hospitals medicalize births. And hospitals make births emergencies and unnatural.

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Quoting Libby:



Quoting Emily:

I honestly dont think you are reading what I am saying. In a healthy pregnancy, birth is never an emergency, medical event nor is it ever unnatural. the end.






Have you never heard of a healthy pregnancy (no complications, full term delivery, etc) ending up with a birth that ends up in an emergency or what not?  It goes beyond just saying a woman who has had a healthy pregnancy... b/c anything can happen at any moment of that birth.  That's what I'm trying to say.  I believe there were a few posts in this thread that stated a couple of woman had great opportunities to choose the home birth because of uncomplicated pregnancies and yet had a very complicated birth.  It goes for hospital births too, it can happen anywhere at any time.  So, again, you are using a blanket statement saying "in a healthy pregnancy, birth is NEVER an emergency..."   That simply is just NOT accurate.  Of course a healthy pregnancy is a good indicator for being able to choose certain courses of action during the pregnancy, labor and birth (ie; home birthing, clinic birth, etc.)  But any woman who has lost a baby or has had complications during labor (for whatever reason) can tell you that there are no guarantees.  These babies don't belong to us, they belong to God. 





I totally agree: there are no guarantees. I think every mommy wants a guarantee, but we know that's not going to happen. I think a thing to consider when talking about complications and emergencies during birth is that a lot of  "complications" in a hospital aren't so at a home birth. The reason why is because doctors have a strict schedule they stick to. If a woman isn't "progressing" at a rate within their time table then they give them something to speed things up. This leads to more painful contractions and fetal distress. Then the doctor says "Oh, the baby's heart rate dropped. You need a c-section." When in truth the baby would probably have been just fine had they not "facilitated" the mother's labor. 



That's what *my* point is: a lot of complications in hospitals are caused by medical interventions that women probably didn't need and sometimes don't want.

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I would have loved to have one! I also have a medical condition that prohibited me from delivering anywhere but the hospital. The hospital is fine but I would have prefered being in the comfort and privacy of my own home. Plus hospital food sucks! :) )

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Quoting Alyssa:




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Please stop talking down to me. I have not given out any false information. And certainly my opinion is not false, it is my own and I stand by it. Reread all of my posts and if you can find where I have said homebirthing is wrong, then please call me out on it. But what I have repeated more than once (which is getting kinda exhausting) is that you have to be 100% satisfied with your choice no matter what the outcome. Sometimes you have to think about the what if's before they happen. But talking down to me and calling me names isn't a very positive way to represent homebirthing. I am not wrong for having an opinion. I am not wrong for having good hospital experiences. You are wrong for trying to make someone else feel bad for those experiences and choice. So, let's just agree to disagree. Please don't converse about me in any other manner at this point. I think that would be the polite thing to do.

Hi Emily. I just wanted to point out that assuming something about someone that you don't know is a really unfair thing to do. Just because I am completely satisfied with my OB doesn't make it wrong. I can think for myself after discussing all of my options with a medical professional. I have had bad experiences. I was once off work for 6 weeks after a surgery that should've caused me 2 weeks downtime. I have also disagreed with a doctor's opinion and have gotten a second opinion. I can think for myself, this isn't the stone age. Also, giving birth can be an emergency, it can be a medical event, it can also be very unnatural. Those are the what if's you have to plan for. That's why I've said, if you can make a choice and be 100% satisfied no matter what the outcome then you made the right choice. But for women who have lost babies, have had preemies, have had complications unrelated to something medical being done to them, they would severely disagree with you that having a baby can be a very serious thing. Those are the what if's that sometimes you have to consider ahead of time. Losing a child no matter the reason why is a very unnatural thing. So, please don't assume something about a person just because of the choice they make, especially when you don't know them or their experiences. I'm sure you probably didn't mean for it to seem that way.







1 i never called you a name, 2 your post makes no sense at all in regards to what i was responding to in YOUR posts.  I am glad you had a great experience in the hospital, but seriously.  Stop taking the blue pill and open your eyes to what goes on in the rest of the country, instead of basing your "knowledge" on what you have seen in your 1 hospital.  Like i said before i could care less if people have a homebirth but you assume that women (especially VBAC's) have all these options...which sorry to tell ya, they dont.  You dont seem to realize that the type of midwife's that do the majority of homebirth's are illegal in 22 states.  Yes that gives women lots of options (rolls eyes).









Seriously Alyssa, if you can call someone you don't know "delusional" and not realize you are calling someone names, I guess that tells me enough about your character to not get into this any further with you.  I've politely asked you to just agree to disagree with me.  There's no point in going into anything else that you have said above because it really is pointless and detracts from the intentions of this thread. 






 






The rest of this post is for the women who do value someone else's opinion and will be making a choice of where to birth.  No matter how safe one feels a hopsital, homebirth or clinic birth is, PLEASE choose the one that you will be 100% satisfied, no matter what the outcome.  Difficulties can happen any where and any time without any warning.  I'm not basing my knowledge on just my experiences.  I know plenty of women who have had awesome pregnancies and had the unexpected happen.  Giving birth is an AWESOME experience.  But sometimes God just doesn't explain ahead of time what's going to happen or what to expect.  I wish that no one would ever have to experience any difficulties during pregnancy or birth because it is a horrible thing to endure.  But that is not the reality of life.  So, no matter what you choose just be informed of your choice, your options, precautions that can be taken, etc. 





Truth hurts...sorry.  You are delusional in your way of thinking of what goes in the US maternity system.  If you dont want me to reply...stop replying to me.  It's very simple.

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get Spiritual Midwifery by Ina May Gaskin! it's the bible for home delivery. I had to have a C-section, but if /when I have another I want it at home. it just feels like the right way to do it.

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Quoting Libby:

Alyssa,

Please stop talking down to me. I have not given out any false information. And certainly my opinion is not false, it is my own and I stand by it. Reread all of my posts and if you can find where I have said homebirthing is wrong, then please call me out on it. But what I have repeated more than once (which is getting kinda exhausting) is that you have to be 100% satisfied with your choice no matter what the outcome. Sometimes you have to think about the what if's before they happen. But talking down to me and calling me names isn't a very positive way to represent homebirthing. I am not wrong for having an opinion. I am not wrong for having good hospital experiences. You are wrong for trying to make someone else feel bad for those experiences and choice. So, let's just agree to disagree. Please don't converse about me in any other manner at this point. I think that would be the polite thing to do.

Hi Emily. I just wanted to point out that assuming something about someone that you don't know is a really unfair thing to do. Just because I am completely satisfied with my OB doesn't make it wrong. I can think for myself after discussing all of my options with a medical professional. I have had bad experiences. I was once off work for 6 weeks after a surgery that should've caused me 2 weeks downtime. I have also disagreed with a doctor's opinion and have gotten a second opinion. I can think for myself, this isn't the stone age. Also, giving birth can be an emergency, it can be a medical event, it can also be very unnatural. Those are the what if's you have to plan for. That's why I've said, if you can make a choice and be 100% satisfied no matter what the outcome then you made the right choice. But for women who have lost babies, have had preemies, have had complications unrelated to something medical being done to them, they would severely disagree with you that having a baby can be a very serious thing. Those are the what if's that sometimes you have to consider ahead of time. Losing a child no matter the reason why is a very unnatural thing. So, please don't assume something about a person just because of the choice they make, especially when you don't know them or their experiences. I'm sure you probably didn't mean for it to seem that way.





1 i never called you a name, 2 your post makes no sense at all in regards to what i was responding to in YOUR posts.  I am glad you had a great experience in the hospital, but seriously.  Stop taking the blue pill and open your eyes to what goes on in the rest of the country, instead of basing your "knowledge" on what you have seen in your 1 hospital.  Like i said before i could care less if people have a homebirth but you assume that women (especially VBAC's) have all these options...which sorry to tell ya, they dont.  You dont seem to realize that the type of midwife's that do the majority of homebirth's are illegal in 22 states.  Yes that gives women lots of options (rolls eyes).





Seriously Alyssa, if you can call someone you don't know "delusional" and not realize you are calling someone names, I guess that tells me enough about your character to not get into this any further with you.  I've politely asked you to just agree to disagree with me.  There's no point in going into anything else that you have said above because it really is pointless and detracts from the intentions of this thread. 



 



The rest of this post is for the women who do value someone else's opinion and will be making a choice of where to birth.  No matter how safe one feels a hopsital, homebirth or clinic birth is, PLEASE choose the one that you will be 100% satisfied, no matter what the outcome.  Difficulties can happen any where and any time without any warning.  I'm not basing my knowledge on just my experiences.  I know plenty of women who have had awesome pregnancies and had the unexpected happen.  Giving birth is an AWESOME experience.  But sometimes God just doesn't explain ahead of time what's going to happen or what to expect.  I wish that no one would ever have to experience any difficulties during pregnancy or birth because it is a horrible thing to endure.  But that is not the reality of life.  So, no matter what you choose just be informed of your choice, your options, precautions that can be taken, etc. 

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Alyssa,

Please stop talking down to me. I have not given out any false information. And certainly my opinion is not false, it is my own and I stand by it. Reread all of my posts and if you can find where I have said homebirthing is wrong, then please call me out on it. But what I have repeated more than once (which is getting kinda exhausting) is that you have to be 100% satisfied with your choice no matter what the outcome. Sometimes you have to think about the what if's before they happen. But talking down to me and calling me names isn't a very positive way to represent homebirthing. I am not wrong for having an opinion. I am not wrong for having good hospital experiences. You are wrong for trying to make someone else feel bad for those experiences and choice. So, let's just agree to disagree. Please don't converse about me in any other manner at this point. I think that would be the polite thing to do.

Hi Emily. I just wanted to point out that assuming something about someone that you don't know is a really unfair thing to do. Just because I am completely satisfied with my OB doesn't make it wrong. I can think for myself after discussing all of my options with a medical professional. I have had bad experiences. I was once off work for 6 weeks after a surgery that should've caused me 2 weeks downtime. I have also disagreed with a doctor's opinion and have gotten a second opinion. I can think for myself, this isn't the stone age. Also, giving birth can be an emergency, it can be a medical event, it can also be very unnatural. Those are the what if's you have to plan for. That's why I've said, if you can make a choice and be 100% satisfied no matter what the outcome then you made the right choice. But for women who have lost babies, have had preemies, have had complications unrelated to something medical being done to them, they would severely disagree with you that having a baby can be a very serious thing. Those are the what if's that sometimes you have to consider ahead of time. Losing a child no matter the reason why is a very unnatural thing. So, please don't assume something about a person just because of the choice they make, especially when you don't know them or their experiences. I'm sure you probably didn't mean for it to seem that way.


1 i never called you a name, 2 your post makes no sense at all in regards to what i was responding to in YOUR posts.  I am glad you had a great experience in the hospital, but seriously.  Stop taking the blue pill and open your eyes to what goes on in the rest of the country, instead of basing your "knowledge" on what you have seen in your 1 hospital.  Like i said before i could care less if people have a homebirth but you assume that women (especially VBAC's) have all these options...which sorry to tell ya, they dont.  You dont seem to realize that the type of midwife's that do the majority of homebirth's are illegal in 22 states.  Yes that gives women lots of options (rolls eyes).

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I honestly dont think you are reading what I am saying. In a healthy pregnancy, birth is never an emergency, medical event nor is it ever unnatural. the end.



Have you never heard of a healthy pregnancy (no complications, full term delivery, etc) ending up with a birth that ends up in an emergency or what not?  It goes beyond just saying a woman who has had a healthy pregnancy... b/c anything can happen at any moment of that birth.  That's what I'm trying to say.  I believe there were a few posts in this thread that stated a couple of woman had great opportunities to choose the home birth because of uncomplicated pregnancies and yet had a very complicated birth.  It goes for hospital births too, it can happen anywhere at any time.  So, again, you are using a blanket statement saying "in a healthy pregnancy, birth is NEVER an emergency..."   That simply is just NOT accurate.  Of course a healthy pregnancy is a good indicator for being able to choose certain courses of action during the pregnancy, labor and birth (ie; home birthing, clinic birth, etc.)  But any woman who has lost a baby or has had complications during labor (for whatever reason) can tell you that there are no guarantees.  These babies don't belong to us, they belong to God. 

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I honestly dont think you are reading what I am saying. In a healthy pregnancy, birth is never an emergency, medical event nor is it ever unnatural. the end.

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