I have declined all vaccines for my little girl Eden.. I am just wondering how many other Mommys have done the same...

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I have to agree it is way riskier to not have them. And your not only risking your childs health but others too. You can plan them out to help prevent anything you think might be caused by having too many at once but to get nothing is so dangerous. I would not be able to deal knowing my child got a disease and I could have got them vaccinated and prevented it. You have to look at the %'s and the real research not your friends, magazines and famous people but real drs and research.

Courtney - posted on 02/24/2009

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Quoting Kundalata:

As a parent it is your choice to vaccinate or not but the consequences of not vaccinating can be detrimental. I hope you looked at peer reviewed good quality research before you made this decision. Try to look at research that is not full of emotional language and peoples personal stories, If you looked at it all in an unbiased way and you came to this decision then I would love to share what you used to make this decision. When I researched this the evidence seemed to be overwhelmingly in favor of vaccinating. This is a serious decision, I wish you good luck.


dr sears book is fantastic and unbiased.

Kundalata - posted on 02/24/2009

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As a parent it is your choice to vaccinate or not but the consequences of not vaccinating can be detrimental. I hope you looked at peer reviewed good quality research before you made this decision. Try to look at research that is not full of emotional language and peoples personal stories, If you looked at it all in an unbiased way and you came to this decision then I would love to share what you used to make this decision. When I researched this the evidence seemed to be overwhelmingly in favor of vaccinating. This is a serious decision, I wish you good luck.

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Quoting Toni:



Quoting Karoline Amanda:




I agree.  Vaccines have been proven by the FDA and American Aoosciation of Pediatrics, and have major research to back them.  And there is no concreete evidence that directly relates vaccines to Autism--which is what many moms fear...Plus, schools with not admit children who do not have vaccines--it's a law. 









The problem is also that many children who are pre disposed to autism wouldn't show signs until they are at the age that they get their jabs so some people are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5.






There is no way of knowing if those children wouldn't have had autism anyway. Autism isn't on the increase but more is known about the different kinds of autism now on different spectrums, so that it appears that autism is on the increase.






I had my child just a couple of years after all the hullabaloo over MMR began. I ummed and erred because if there was any truth in the rumours I didn't want to make my baby ill. But at the end of the day I had to weigh up the dangers from Measles etc with the perceived danger of MMR. There is just no comparison.





I knew my one child had autism at 5 months and my other didn't show signs until AFTER her flu shot at 2.5 years old.



The vaccines don't cause the autism but they make the symptoms more severe. It is harder to reach a child because of the toxins that the child can not process like normal kids it attacks their little bodies and their brains. My kids toxic level in tin, aluminium, rat poisen, lead, among others (although mercury was one of the lower metals) I had them tested and everything was off the charts. I only feed my kids organic gfcf free non-gmo foods there is no way that they could have gotten these toxic chemicals in their bodies besides the shots. My child is 3 and can not talk can not walk up the steps unassisted. She will not be toliet trained in the near future. My child wouldn't be this bad off if it wasn't for the vaccines. There is a link I see it in my kids every day of their lives. I wasn't aware of everything I thought the shots were safe I trust the medical community. Luckly my pedi has a more relaxed schedule then other doctors but it wasn't enough.



My didn't would have still have autism but the functioning level would be so much greater. It is hard to explain to a person this. Also you are in England you said? Well I am sure that the schedules and the content of the vaccines vary. Our kids have chicken pox vaccines on the schedule along with the flu and the booster. I have never researched englands vaccines or schedules for the vaccines.



Have you ever been around a child with autism? My kids self harm to the point of bleeding and if you try to stop them then they hurt you. This can be in public while people look at you like you are the worse mother in the world because you can't control your kid. MMR shot doesn't have to be given together they should split it up. If more parents didn't just go along with what they tell use to do and made a stink about it then perhaps once the drug companies started losing money they would invest some money in making these shots safe for our kids.

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Quoting Natalie:

i have a 6 month old and was very concerned about the vaccinations they recommend. however, i have chosen to spread them out over a period of time, rather than have her get a bunch all in one setting. vaccinations are very important and protect against deadly diseases. the pros of vaccinating outweight the cons...there are some that i don't believe are totally necessary, like the flu shot and varicella. not vaccinating can prove to be deadly to an infant and does not provide for the greater good.


That is a sensible approach. I can understand wanting to spread the vaccines out. My child doesn't have the flu vaccine and we don't have the chicken pox vaccine as routine over here in England yet either. My daughter caught chicken pox about 2 years ago. I don't think Chicken pox is as dangerous as measles so I don't think it warrants a vaccine.

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i have a 6 month old and was very concerned about the vaccinations they recommend. however, i have chosen to spread them out over a period of time, rather than have her get a bunch all in one setting. vaccinations are very important and protect against deadly diseases. the pros of vaccinating outweight the cons...there are some that i don't believe are totally necessary, like the flu shot and varicella. not vaccinating can prove to be deadly to an infant and does not provide for the greater good.

Toni - posted on 02/24/2009

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Quoting Karoline Amanda:



I agree.  Vaccines have been proven by the FDA and American Aoosciation of Pediatrics, and have major research to back them.  And there is no concreete evidence that directly relates vaccines to Autism--which is what many moms fear...Plus, schools with not admit children who do not have vaccines--it's a law. 





The problem is also that many children who are pre disposed to autism wouldn't show signs until they are at the age that they get their jabs so some people are putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5.



There is no way of knowing if those children wouldn't have had autism anyway. Autism isn't on the increase but more is known about the different kinds of autism now on different spectrums, so that it appears that autism is on the increase.



I had my child just a couple of years after all the hullabaloo over MMR began. I ummed and erred because if there was any truth in the rumours I didn't want to make my baby ill. But at the end of the day I had to weigh up the dangers from Measles etc with the perceived danger of MMR. There is just no comparison.

Toni - posted on 02/24/2009

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Quoting Courtney:



Quoting Toni:




I nearly lost my sight and the friend from who I caught measles nearly died......twice. We're just very lucky. Many children are not so lucky.








You're right in a way, some people do have a natural defence. Unfortunately many children don't. How do you know which child will be struck blind, deaf, brain damaged or killed and which will be the lucky ones....can you tell by looking at them or do you just take the chance?










Do you understand what is in those shots? Seriously do you? You are shotting toxins into a small child and just as much chance as it is for a child to get measles there is a chance (even more so) that they have a pre-existing condition and it will make them suffer ,life long effects, autistic behaviours. How would you like twin 3 y/os who have autism? I mean yes they are living but they have toxic metals in their bodies that cause brain damage. I understand that this is hard to understand because you almost died due to measles but the shots aren't safe. If they want people to be ok with shots they need to make them safe. If you can honestly say that once you found out the ingredients in the shots that you would actually allow your child to consume that ingredient if they came upon it on its own then I guess you are fine with the shots.






Also many kids die from the shots...you can't tell by looking at them are you willing to take that chance?





I think we have to look at the balance of how many children would die or are left damaged due to being un-innoculated in a measles epidemic and how many children die or are damaged due to being innoculated. I think Measles would win that competition hands down and I think if you're honest you'll admit the same and this is why we have herd innoculation. If the vast majority of the herd is protected from the disease then this also protects those that are the weakest from catching it....such as babies and those few  for who the vaccines don't work. if everybody stopped having the vaccines we would start to see children dropping like flies with the most vulnerable of our society namely the babies and infirm being the hardest hit. Is that what people would like to see? Is that what it's going to take before people realise that vaccines are necessary. They may not be perfect (far from it) but they are better than the alternative and that is the biggest point to make. You may not like what they put in the vaccines (and I'm all for research into making them better) but the alternative is horrific for nearly every child and baby that comes into contact with measles etc

Toni - posted on 02/24/2009

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Quoting Carolyn:



Toni, I believe you wrote in your original post that disease weeds out the weak among us.  Of course we should do what we can to protect the weak among us.  This is where we agree...as would most moms, I think.






 Where we differ is in our beliefs about HOW we should do that.  You would say shoot them up with vaccines (which I believe would make them weaker, and possibly leave them with a life-long disability).  I would say that we should ensure a clean environment,  healthy diet and proper sanitation to make them stronger and more able to fight off illness naturally.






Either way, we can only do what we can do.  There are no guarantees.  There are people who have all their vaccinations and still acquire a disease they were vaccinated against (and spread it around, too!).  And there are people with a healthy way of living that will still get sick (and spread it around).  






I would prefer that my children not acquire an autoimmune disease from the toxins in vaccines, so that they will be stronger to fight off whatever lies ahead for them.






Parenting is all about choices, what "chance" you will choose for your child.  We all do the best we can!     





Everyone I know has had vaccines yet not one of them has any autoimmune diseases, in fact I don't know of anyone full stop with an autoimmune disease, which considering how many DO get their shots these days is pretty remarkable.



I think the people who are against vaccines and think they can beat these diseases with good diet and sanitation should look to their history books. Rich people in history still died from these diseases and they had all the good foods and access to doctors.



I wonder how many children it will take to die or be left damaged by these diseases before people realise that vaccines are here for a good reason. Our child mortality rate is the highest it has ever been and it isn't all because of good diet and hygiene. There are still people in the western world who can't afford a healthy diet and good sanitation....what do you propose we do with their children?

Karoline Amanda - posted on 02/24/2009

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I agree.  Vaccines have been proven by the FDA and American Aoosciation of Pediatrics, and have major research to back them.  And there is no concreete evidence that directly relates vaccines to Autism--which is what many moms fear...Plus, schools with not admit children who do not have vaccines--it's a law. 

Courtney - posted on 02/24/2009

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Quoting Toni:



I nearly lost my sight and the friend from who I caught measles nearly died......twice. We're just very lucky. Many children are not so lucky.






You're right in a way, some people do have a natural defence. Unfortunately many children don't. How do you know which child will be struck blind, deaf, brain damaged or killed and which will be the lucky ones....can you tell by looking at them or do you just take the chance?






Do you understand what is in those shots? Seriously do you? You are shotting toxins into a small child and just as much chance as it is for a child to get measles there is a chance (even more so) that they have a pre-existing condition and it will make them suffer ,life long effects, autistic behaviours. How would you like twin 3 y/os who have autism? I mean yes they are living but they have toxic metals in their bodies that cause brain damage. I understand that this is hard to understand because you almost died due to measles but the shots aren't safe. If they want people to be ok with shots they need to make them safe. If you can honestly say that once you found out the ingredients in the shots that you would actually allow your child to consume that ingredient if they came upon it on its own then I guess you are fine with the shots.



Also many kids die from the shots...you can't tell by looking at them are you willing to take that chance?

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Toni, I believe you wrote in your original post that disease weeds out the weak among us.  Of course we should do what we can to protect the weak among us.  This is where we agree...as would most moms, I think.



 Where we differ is in our beliefs about HOW we should do that.  You would say shoot them up with vaccines (which I believe would make them weaker, and possibly leave them with a life-long disability).  I would say that we should ensure a clean environment,  healthy diet and proper sanitation to make them stronger and more able to fight off illness naturally.



Either way, we can only do what we can do.  There are no guarantees.  There are people who have all their vaccinations and still acquire a disease they were vaccinated against (and spread it around, too!).  And there are people with a healthy way of living that will still get sick (and spread it around).  



I would prefer that my children not acquire an autoimmune disease from the toxins in vaccines, so that they will be stronger to fight off whatever lies ahead for them.



Parenting is all about choices, what "chance" you will choose for your child.  We all do the best we can!     

Toni - posted on 02/24/2009

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I nearly lost my sight and the friend from who I caught measles nearly died......twice. We're just very lucky. Many children are not so lucky.



You're right in a way, some people do have a natural defence. Unfortunately many children don't. How do you know which child will be struck blind, deaf, brain damaged or killed and which will be the lucky ones....can you tell by looking at them or do you just take the chance?

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No defenses for measles?  How is it that you are alive, then?  My brothers were all not vaccinated, and fought off their measles infections just fine, along with lots of other people throughout history.  I was exposed to the measles multiple times when my brothers had them, and never got sick!  Of course we have natural defenses! 

Toni - posted on 02/24/2009

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Quoting Carolyn:



Personally, I believe the point of not going to daycare, and going to private school, is to have more control over what goes into our sweet baby's minds, rather than their bodies.  But, that is another issue. ;-)






Abby has said that Eden has contact with other children.  She is not keeping her in a plastic bag.  It is actually good for the immune system to play in the dirt a little bit, and to be exposed to germs the natural way so her body can be strengthened through the exercise of fighting off the germs.  Our bodies were designed with several defenses:  skin, digestive system, nasal mucous, and finally the antibodies in our blood.  One of the problems with vaccines is that they bypass many of our defenses. 






Good food, fresh air, exercise, proper sanitation, and the love of her family and caregivers ensure that Eden has a great start on life.  Kudos to you Abby!





We have no natural defences for diseses such as Polio or Measles.

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Personally, I believe the point of not going to daycare, and going to private school, is to have more control over what goes into our sweet baby's minds, rather than their bodies.  But, that is another issue. ;-)



Abby has said that Eden has contact with other children.  She is not keeping her in a plastic bag.  It is actually good for the immune system to play in the dirt a little bit, and to be exposed to germs the natural way so her body can be strengthened through the exercise of fighting off the germs.  Our bodies were designed with several defenses:  skin, digestive system, nasal mucous, and finally the antibodies in our blood.  One of the problems with vaccines is that they bypass many of our defenses. 



Good food, fresh air, exercise, proper sanitation, and the love of her family and caregivers ensure that Eden has a great start on life.  Kudos to you Abby!

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hi abby, i think everybody is entitled to their opinion but when you say that your daughter is not going to daycare and will be going to a private school etc.....i think your view is very narrow minded.....what about when she plays in a playground, or goes to a park or godforbid touches another child while you are at the supermarket...what happens then??? children cannot be sanitized at all time because they are children and they eventually want to explore their environment...

everybody wants whats best for their children but thinking that middle/upper class people dont have germs because they went to a private school is ridiculous and very close minded.

karina (australia)

Toni - posted on 02/22/2009

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I'm sorry about the little boy. But there are far more children who will die from measles if parents stop giving them vaccines, than there are of children who die from booster shots.



Like I said, peoples children are protected at the moment because of herd immunisation. If the herd stops immunising then ALL children will be at risk from this terrible and FATAL disease. And from what I can find on the internet, Vitamin A shots can only reduce the risk of Pneumonia in under 2's. But it does not significantly reduce measles related mortality in the over 2's.

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Each person has her own experiences.  If you had read my previous posts, you would see that I knew a boy who, at about age 8 yrs was turned into a vegetable by a measles booster shot, and he died a couple years later.



 

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Two megadoses of vitamin A reduce the risk of dying from measles for children under age 2, according to an updated review of studies.
The results bolster the World Health Organization recommendation that an oral dose of vitamin A be given for two consecutive days to children who live in areas where vitamin A deficiency may exist.



Pneumonia was most common cause of death in children with measles in the four studies that specified cause. Pooling data from studies that used two doses of vitamin A, comprising 429 hospitalized children, the reviewers found a 67 percent reduction of mortality from pneumonia.
However, when taking into account all studies, which included outpatients with mild disease, vitamin A did not significantly reduce measles-related mortality for children above age 2.

Vitamin A cut the risk of post-measles croup by 41 percent (722 children studied), and of the two studies that addressed post-measles diarrhea (474 children), the one using two doses of vitamin A showed a 65 percent lower risk of developing diarrhea, while the single-dose study did not show reduction.



No where does it say that a Vitamin A shot can save a child from the dangers of measles. It can merely reduce mortality from Pneumonia. If you can live with those odds...go for it. personally i think it's foolish to risk a childs life over something which may never happen. I don't know one single child in my vast family, friends or work colleagues who has suffered from any side effects of vaccines, yet I know 2 who came close to suffering from the effects of measles.

Toni - posted on 02/22/2009

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Can you show the proof that a Vitamin A shot can protect a child from the dangers of death and encephalitis caused by measles?

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From the Merck website on known side effects of MMR vaccine: 

ADVERSE REACTIONS











 



 







The following adverse reactions are listed in decreasing order of severity, without regard to causality,



within each body system category and have been reported during clinical trials, with use of the marketed



vaccine, or with use of monovalent or bivalent vaccine containing measles, mumps, or rubella:





Body as a Whole





Panniculitis; atypical measles; fever; syncope; headache; dizziness; malaise; irritability.





Cardiovascular System





Vasculitis.





Digestive System





Pancreatitis; diarrhea; vomiting; parotitis; nausea.





Endocrine System





Diabetes mellitus.





Hemic and Lymphatic System





Thrombocytopenia (see WARNINGS,





 





 



Thrombocytopenia

); purpura; regional lymphadenopathy;

leukocytosis.







Immune System





Anaphylaxis and anaphylactoid reactions have been reported as well as related phenomena such as



angioneurotic edema (including peripheral or facial edema) and bronchial spasm in individuals with or



without an allergic history.





Musculoskeletal System





Arthritis; arthralgia; myalgia.



Arthralgia and/or arthritis (usually transient and rarely chronic), and polyneuritis are features of



infection with wild-type rubella and vary in frequency and severity with age and sex, being greatest in



adult females and least in prepubertal children. This type of involvement as well as myalgia and





paresthesia, have also been reported following administration of MERUVAX





 





 



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Chronic arthritis has been associated with wild-type rubella infection and has been related to



persistent virus and/or viral antigen isolated from body tissues. Only rarely have vaccine recipients



developed chronic joint symptoms.



Following vaccination in children, reactions in joints are uncommon and generally of brief duration. In



women, incidence rates for arthritis and arthralgia are generally higher than those seen in children





(children: 0-3%; women: 12-26%),





 





 



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and the reactions tend to be more marked and of longer

duration. Symptoms may persist for a matter of months or on rare occasions for years. In adolescent



girls, the reactions appear to be intermediate in incidence between those seen in children and in adult



women. Even in women older than 35 years, these reactions are generally well tolerated and rarely



interfere with normal activities.







Nervous System





Encephalitis; encephalopathy; measles inclusion body encephalitis (MIBE) (see



CONTRAINDICATIONS); subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE); Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS);



febrile convulsions; afebrile convulsions or seizures; ataxia; polyneuritis; polyneuropathy; ocular palsies;



As a mother, I have a choice of whether to risk injecting the possibility of  diabetes or arthritis or encephalitis into my baby, or PROTECT my baby from this, and risk him receiving an illness that I can help him thru with a bit of Vitamin A.  For me, this is a no-brainer.  Of course, it is your choice what you do, but do not come knocking on my door with a syringe full of poison for MY baby just so you can feel that "Society" is protected. 





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You may very well be right about the Vitamin A bit. But the one thing I do know is that Measles can and does kill.



From the BBC health website, I don't think they have any vaccines to sell either.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/conditions/m...



The infection isn't usually serious but there are potential complications that can be fatal, even for otherwise healthy children. These include otitis media, pneumonia, hepatitis, conjunctivitis and encephalitis (inflammation of the brain, which occurs in about one in 5,000 cases).


















Although complications involving the nervous system occur in fewer than one in 1,000 cases, the long-term effects can be devastating.



Encephalitis or inflammation of the brain may develop a few days after the rash has appeared, and a quarter of those who get this complication will be left with brain damage. A devastating but extremely rare progressive illness called subacute sclerosing panencephalitis (SSPE) may develop many years after the first bout of measles and is eventually fatal. Fortunately, it's very rare, occuring in fewer than one in 100,000 cases.



Further Complications of Measles

You may fall seriously ill with measles, but most people recover completely. Unfortunately, a few complications of measles do exist. These include:







Ear infection: This may occur in one out of every 10 children.







Encephalitis: This inflammation of the brain due to measles occurs in about one in 1,000 people. Encephalitis may occur soon after measles, or very rarely can occur years later. It is then called Dawson's encephalitis.







Pneumonia: About one in 15 suffer from this complication and it can be life-threatening too.







Diarrhoea or vomiting.







Bronchitis, laryngitis: This is an inflammation of your voice box (larynx) or inflammation of the inner walls of the air passageways of your lungs (bronchial tubes).







Thrombocytopenia: It is a condition of low platelet count, which may be serious, as these types of blood cells are essential for blood clotting.







Pregnancy problems: Pregnant women if infected with measles have a high risk of miscarriage, premature labour and low birth weight babies.







Congenital rubella: This is one of the most feared complications of measles. It occurs when the virus is passed from an infected pregnant mother to her unborn child. The affected infants may have cataracts, heart defects, hearing impairment, and learning disabilities.







 



This is a horrific disease which has killed thousands of children. I think people in this day and age have become complacent because we don't hear of kids dying from inflammation of the brain due to measles. But we don't hear of it in the western world because of the vaccine...wake up! We do not want to go back to the days of children dying from preventable diseases because their child may suffer side effect from a vaccine. I can guarantee that if everybody felt the same way that Edens mother does and didn't vaccinate their child, we would soon have an epidemic on our hands. And THEN people like Eden's mummy would be begging for the vaccine for her child. Eden is protected at the moment because a huge percentage of parents do get their kids vaccinated. If that percentage keeps on dropping Eden will become very vulnerable to these diseases as will many other children and pregnant women.



You know, sometimes we have to look at the greater good for our society. At the moment we have herd immunity, but it won't be for much longer if people refuse to get their kids immunised. Before you know it we'll have every disease on the planet rampaging across our countries and all because the vaccines may or may not give some children some side effects.



 

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I caught measles when I was about 6 months old. I had to stay in a darkened room for up to 6 weeks because they feared me losing my sight. The doctors said I was very lucky. All because one of my mums friendschildren hadn't been vaccinated (because the mother was scared of needles) she caught measles and passed it on to me when she came round to play.  She was extremely ill (as was I) she had the last rites twice at the hospital. She was very lucky and only lost partial hearing in the end. So by one mother having a fear of needles 2 young children very nearly died or had severe disabilities and we're the only children that we know of that she came into contact with, it's scary when you think of how many other babies or pregnant women she could have come into contact with and that now they may either be dead or have some disabilities.





Toni, I am sorry this happened to you, but this is no longer a danger with measles.  They have found that the death and blindness and other effects of measles results merely from a lack of Vitamin A.  In Africa, they have found that they can eliminate death and blindness from measles by simply giving the children a couple high doses of vitamin A.



Many of the childhood diseases are no longer as dangerous to us in the developed world because of improved sanitation and medical care.  In fact, many were already on the decline BEFORE the vaccinations for them were introduced.



There has not been a case of wild polio in the US since 1978, only a few cases CAUSED by the oral polio VACCINE because it sheds in the baby's poops, and can be caught by whomever is changing the diaper!



Look around you at the children today...instead of catching a fever and rash that lasts a week or two, they have asthma or psoriasis or allergies or learning disabilities or cancer or diabetes or autism...that are LIFELONG disabilities.



Abby, I am happy that you were courageous enough to start this discussion.  There are those who seem to ridicule moms who research online.  Perhaps they are afraid of all the moms with injured children finding each other and joining together to reveal how dangerous vaccines are.  The drug companies can only keep repeating "they are perfectly safe", but they have NEVER done a study comparing the health of vaccinated children versus non-vaccinated children.



And in case anyone was wondering, I have absolutely nothing to sell you.



Abby, you are not alone, and our numbers are growing!  I also have friends and family members who do not vaccinate. Spread the word! 



 

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Why do we have diseases and viruses? To weed out the weak and to keep numbers down. It's natural selection. We have diseases to kill people to keep our numbers down because the human race is over populated. We have no natural enemies, we are at the top of the food chain and disease is natures only way (apart from accidents and murders) of keeping our popultion under control.  Everytime we (as a race) discover a cure or a vaccine nature thinks up some new disease (HIV & Aids springs to mind) once a cure is found for Aids a new disease will come about. Nature will always find a way



I think we should bare in mind what the purpose of these diseases are and why we have them. If you don't want your child to be emilinated from the human race as a statistic of natural selection, then you should get them immunised. Spread the vaccines out till the child is a little older, but get them vaccinated. I truly believe that failure to get your child vaccinated is failing your child in your parental responsibities.



It isn't just other children who are at risk from children who aren't vaccinated but pregnant women are too.



 



My child is vaccinated. To me it was a no brainer. The risks are so much higher to not vaccinate compared to vaccinating.



I caught measles when I was about 6 months old. I had to stay in a darkened room for up to 6 weeks because they feared me losing my sight. The doctors said I was very lucky. All because one of my mums friendschildren hadn't been vaccinated (because the mother was scared of needles) she caught measles and passed it on to me when she came round to play.  She was extremely ill (as was I) she had the last rites twice at the hospital. She was very lucky and only lost partial hearing in the end. So by one mother having a fear of needles 2 young children very nearly died or had severe disabilities and we're the only children that we know of that she came into contact with, it's scary when you think of how many other babies or pregnant women she could have come into contact with and that now they may either be dead or have some disabilities.

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This is quite a discussion! Many different opinions and all valid personal ones. Here's my story. I decided, after a lengthy period to immunize my little girl. As a result, she was immunized late for all her shots however it was better late than never. My decision was based on some ressearch online (but is all that information trustworthy?). Over all I let my healthcare profesionals guide me in the process. I asked my family doctor if he immunized his own children and he said "yes". I then asked my midwife if she immunized her children and she said "yes". Both did not try and convince me to do it, but simply told me that it's a personal choice. I trust my doctor with my life when I'm sick and I trust my midwife to care for my pregnancy. To top it off, I would not like to see my child suffer from any of those illnesses that they are supposed to prevent and I believe the insurance of immunization is worth it.  So far.......

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Quoting Kari:

We live in Georgia and I'm pretty sure that every child in the public (and private for that matter) school system must have proof of vacs. to be enrolled. Even the daycare we have the girls in, checks EVERY childs record and if they are behind on vaccines, we get a reminder. I've even seen the daycare not allow one child to attend because she was so far behind on her vacs. I'm not so sure that a public school would risk the chance of a law suit by a parent who sends their child to school w/out vaccinations. Then when the child gets chicken poxs or God forbid, Meningitis or something else and have the parents come back and sue them? I have to say, if I was on the school board, I wouldn't risk it.


That isn't true obviously if you read the thread you would know that you don't need vaccines for public/private schools. For some of the shots there are certains items in the shots that kids could be allergic to so obviously you can't FORCE someone to get shots if you know for a fact they are allergic to it. Also religious reasons some families don't get shots so they also can't force a family againest their religion to get shots. Some daycares can refuse admittance such as a daycare out of someones home. What is wrong with getting chicken pox anyways? It is a childhood disease, why do you think the super virus is out there? The flu and chicken pox is perfectly normal illnesses and kids should get them



your state laws:



http://www.nvic.org/Vaccine-Laws/state-v...

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We live in Georgia and I'm pretty sure that every child in the public (and private for that matter) school system must have proof of vacs. to be enrolled. Even the daycare we have the girls in, checks EVERY childs record and if they are behind on vaccines, we get a reminder. I've even seen the daycare not allow one child to attend because she was so far behind on her vacs. I'm not so sure that a public school would risk the chance of a law suit by a parent who sends their child to school w/out vaccinations. Then when the child gets chicken poxs or God forbid, Meningitis or something else and have the parents come back and sue them? I have to say, if I was on the school board, I wouldn't risk it.

Kari - posted on 02/21/2009

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We live in Georgia and I'm pretty sure that every child in the public (and private for that matter) school system must have proof of vacs. to be enrolled. Even the daycare we have the girls in, checks EVERY childs record and if they are behind on vaccines, we get a reminder. I've even seen the daycare not allow one child to attend because she was so far behind on her vacs. I'm not so sure that a public school would risk the chance of a law suit by a parent who sends their child to school w/out vaccinations. Then when the child gets chicken poxs or God forbid, Meningitis or something else and have the parents come back and sue them? I have to say, if I was on the school board, I wouldn't risk it.

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Thank you Courtney!!! I ma like repeating myself over over and over and no one reads what I write then they accuse and misquote... She is interactive with ither kids and she has not gottne sick and had not got anyone elses child sick!!! She is more then normal without the shots in my OPINION she is better off and REMEMBER I SAID MY "OPINION"..... Bottom line she does play with other little kids and she is "active with the outside world.." Thank you

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Quoting Amy:

It made me sad when you wrote that your daughter will not contract any disease because she will not be in contact with little kids in daycare spreading germs everywhere. I wondered if that meant that your baby would also not attend play groups, birthday parties, and every other form of group contact with other babies. My baby loves all these things and so far he hasn't been destroyed in life by contact with other babies that couldn't afford private school.


She said she is in a mommy and me class and does playgroups.



Basically no child has a 100% chance of not contracting any of the diseases that there are vaccines for even if they are vaccinated.



I feel like I have repeated myself so many times in this thread are people really that brainwashed into thinking what is spoon feed to you is truth? Not saying I have all the answers because I don't but stop thinking these vaccines are safe for your kids.

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To adress something else that bothers me is the Eden is not in a bubble!! It is crazt that you would say that just bc I am not getting her vaccinated and I said she is going to private school.. I mot my fault that I know without a doubt that Private schol is much cleaner then public and I want to her to be watched at home!!! If you knew my daughter wuch you dont you would know that she is the hapiest baby in the world and I LOVE THAT!!! If that comes from keeping her a little sheltered and not putting into nasty daycares where there are 30 other children then so be it I will gladly do that for her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She had playdates with other children her age we go for walks and she is able to lay outside when its warm just   I am chosing the people she gets to interact with it makes me feel 100% better.. I dont want her in a public school with 50 other kids beside her in class I wnat her in a private school where she can have better 1 on 1 time not stuck in a overcrowded with lord knows who learnng nothing!!!!! I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT AND SAFE WITH THE WAY I CHOSE TO RAISE HER AND SOOO FAR SHE IS PERFECT!!!!!! SHE WILL HAVE ANYTHNG AND EVERYTHING SHE WANTS IN LIFE.......

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First off all I want to adress al lthe ridiculous Moms who are acusng me of what keeping my poor child in a bubble.. She isi very active and has plent of ectivitys with other children.. We take Mommy and Me classes and what do you know there are other children there.. Eden has gotten to expireience alot sine she has been born and she is FINE!!! Most of the kids she plays with are friends and family and what do you know they are not vaccinated either!!!!!! They are still healthy little kids, and FOR THE LAST TIME I DID LISTEN TO MEICAL ADVICE MY DOCTOR TOLD ME THAT EDEN WILL BE AND IS FINE!!!!!!!! THEY DONT APPROVE OF ALL THE THE VACCINES EITHER!!!!!! SND I HAVE DOEN PLENTY OF REASEARCH BY MYSELF SYRETTA AND I HAVE NOT OPINION THAT WAS "CELEBRITY OR INTERNET BASED"!!!!!!!!! I HAVE SEEN WHAT VACCINES DO TO LITTLE KIDS AND ITS NOT VERY PRETTY I WORK AT A PEDS OFFICE AND I SEE THEM ALL THE TIME SO I COULD CALL YOU ANNOYING BC I KNOW WHAT THEY CAN DO TO LITTLE KIDS AND ITS WRONG!!! SOME PARENTS ARE IGNORANT AND JUST DO WHAT THEY ARE TOLD BY THRE DOCTORS AND YOU HAVE NO BRAIN FOR YOURSELF I MEAN DO THE RESEARCH AND IF YOU DO YOU WILL FIND THAT I AM RIGHT!!!!! I DO NOT FEEL BAD FOR NOT BEING A MINDLESS MOTHER WHO WOULD ANYTHING A DOCTOR SIAD TO DO TO THER CHILD.. THINK FOR YOURSELF FOR A CHANGE AND SEE HOW DIFFERENT LIFE CAN BE FOR YOU AND YOUR KIDS....

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you kno.. i wuznt vaccinated but turned out well.. but  sumtimes i wondr if im at risk of certain diseases i shud hav been protected from.  makes u wonder y my parents ddnt vaccinate... hmmm...?

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you kno.. i wuznt vaccinated but turned out well.. but  sumtimes i wondr if im at risk of certain diseases i shud hav been protected from.  makes u wonder y my parents ddnt vaccinate... hmmm...?

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Quoting Syreeta:

I say this with as much respect as I can muster, but parents who say they don't want to vaccinate their children annoy the heck out of me. The only reason your child may be safe from these life threating diseases is because of all of the other parents who have vaccinated their children. Just ask yourself, what would happen if no child was vaccinated? You are able to make this choice because of the choices of responsible parents who follow the advice of Medical Doctors! Not "theories" on the internet or celebrity spokespeople who don't have any Medical education. Your child may be with her Grandparents, her father, attend a private school, but at some point your child will come in contact with the general public and imagine the risks the child will have then.


Before you posted this did you read everything? Honestly did you? Go back and read everything before you say this. I have had enough respect to read everything everyone has posted. Honeslty alot of good points are being made please try to open your mind a little and take in some of the information that is being given.



People that stick a needle in their childs arm just because their doctor told them so and didn't research anything AND then calls other parents ,that do countless about of research, idiotic annoy me. It is ok I was once one of you so I think I can say that. It sickens me that I didn't know what I know now and maybe my kids would be better off. Don't discredit other people just because it is againest the norm.

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I say this with as much respect as I can muster, but parents who say they don't want to vaccinate their children annoy the heck out of me. The only reason your child may be safe from these life threating diseases is because of all of the other parents who have vaccinated their children. Just ask yourself, what would happen if no child was vaccinated? You are able to make this choice because of the choices of responsible parents who follow the advice of Medical Doctors! Not "theories" on the internet or celebrity spokespeople who don't have any Medical education. Your child may be with her Grandparents, her father, attend a private school, but at some point your child will come in contact with the general public and imagine the risks the child will have then.

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It saddens me to hear about parents choosing not to vaccinate their kids. Is this really an educated decisions on their parts? Yes, I agree there are some companies who exploit the medical industry and produce drugs for everything, but I believe that vaccines have proven themselves over the years by eradicating numerous diseases. Some of these diseases are now creeping back into our society because of parents who choose not to vaccinate their children. On the news this week it showed a mother who choose not to vaccinate and her child contracted meningitis and almost died. Before the rotavirus vaccine was approved a year ago my son got the rotavirus, it was disheartening to see my child in pain, he missed out on this vaccine and so did my 2 year old but I made sure my baby got it. If diseases such as polio, mumps, meningits, chicken pox, and others were more prevalent today maybe parents would change their mind.

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We need to remember that as patients, or as parents of patients, we have the right and responsibility of choosing what medications or treatments we accept to be put into our bodies.  If there is a reaction or side effect listed on the patient insert that we are not comfortable with risking, it is our responsibility to reject that drug, treatment or vaccine.  You can find the patient inserts online or from your pediatrician.  They are required to provide the information.  It's called "Informed Consent". 



I had my vaccinations as a baby, and yet I still contracted mumps, chickenpox, and whooping cough as a child...and came thru just fine along with all my siblings and anyone else we knew.  However, I personally knew a boy my age that got a measles shot that turned him into a vegetable, until he died a couple years later.  Another family we knew lost a baby to a vaccine reaction. 



Today there is an explosion of autoimmune illnesses:  asthma, allergies, diabetes, and on and on.   Our environment is increasingly toxic.  Vaccines are toxins that we have control over.   We can protect our babies from this danger.  Please, read the ingredient list before you allow them to put the needle into that precious arm.  Read about the 8,000 + reactions reported to the Gardasil vaccine they've just started giving teenage girls.  The drug company says it was just coincidence...AND that there are only HALF the reported reactions to this one as there are to other vaccines!  The difference is that teenage girls already have a track record (academically, athletically), so they can't say "well, your baby was just born that way" when they lose the ability to walk.



As far as those people who think that people who DONT vaccinate are endangering everybody else, don't you believe vaccines work?  If you do, then you shouldn't be worried about your child catching anything.  If you don't, why are you vaccinating?  Do you realize that vaccine protection only lasts a few years?  And that most adults who were vaccinated as children are no longer immune? 



When they have us all believing that we HAVE to vaccinate to enter school (a myth, by the way), they have a captive and very lucrative market.  When people start to question the safety or even the value of their product, they start advertising EPIDEMICS of measles, which turn out to be only 134 people.  There is a lot of hype flying around to scare vulnerable new parents into vaccinating.  Please, for the sake of your babies, do your homework first. 



I had my first son vaccinated up to 6 months, but the fevers he would get and the deep sleep he would go into after his shots prompted me to do more research.  We decided the risks of shooting toxins into our babies and the possible side effects outweighed the risk of catching the diseases.  Our oldest is 12 and our youngest is 4.  Also, my siblings were not vaccinated, caught the measles, mumps, chickenpox, and did just fine. 



It is intimidating to stand up to drug companies and pediatricians and let your wishes be known, but if we don't stand up for our children, who will?  Just remember, it is your choice.  The doctor and drug company will not pay if your child has a bad reaction.  The drug company has been made immune.  You can take your claim to the government, but it is nearly impossible to prove your case ("the baby must have had an underlying condition", or "it is only a coincidence that your baby died the day after he got his shot", etc).



Anyway, I hope this helps. 

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Autism vs. death. The decision was easy for me. I'm not judging the parents who choose not to vaccinate but i think those parents depend on the rest of us being vaccinated so their child won't get sick. One other thing, doctors are not God and cannot fix/cure everything and everyone. They only go by the symptoms we tell them about.

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Hi If you have had a booster I think you are ok but I am not sure of the correct answer.  You should be asking your health care provider if there are any vaccines that should be updated.  I am from the Grey Bruce, Ontario area and around here there have been incidences of mumps reporrted to public health which has prompted the urge for adults to be immunized with MMR again.  My suggestion is talk with your doc or public health nurse.

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Yes it isn't anti and it tells you what is in each shot. I am not comfortable with flu, chicken pox, mmr, hepa and the ones I have to still decide on is meningitis and DTaP(which with all the other books I have read on I am still not sure). He isn't anti which is why it is a great book to read for the pro vaccines mothers. Since it isn't anti they can get some knowledge and not feel like they are being called a bad mom for doing what they think is right. For my kids who are sensitive to the vaccines (they have allergies and according to the tests I have had done the amount of metals is alarming) then yes I think it is the best decision for our family.

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Quoting Courtney:

My kids are in daycare and public schools. My kids will not get anymore vaccines until they are safe for my kids. I am a single mother of 3 y/o autistic daughters. I am all for publics but I also don't have the funds due to my kids having special needs.
Please moms that are pro vaccines read the Dr. Sears book on vaccines it will really open your eyes.


But Dr. Sear's Vaccine book is not "anti-vaccine".  Dr. Sears highlights the risks and benefits of vaccines, and clearly states that vaccines are very important and also says that parents who are confident in the vaccine system in this country should go ahead and get their child vaccinated.  Now, I agree with breaking up the MMR vaccination, but I don't think the book says that you shouldn't have your children vaccinated.  It does a good job of presenting both sides of the issue though and is a very valuable book, I agree.

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Quoting Courtney:

My kids are in daycare and public schools. My kids will not get anymore vaccines until they are safe for my kids. I am a single mother of 3 y/o autistic daughters. I am all for publics but I also don't have the funds due to my kids having special needs.
Please moms that are pro vaccines read the Dr. Sears book on vaccines it will really open your eyes.


But Dr. Sear's Vaccine book is not "anti-vaccine".  Dr. Sears highlights the risks and benefits of vaccines, and clearly states that vaccines are very important and also says that parents who are confident in the vaccine system in this country should go ahead and get their child vaccinated.  Now, I agree with breaking up the MMR vaccination, but I don't think the book says that you shouldn't have your children vaccinated.  It does a good job of presenting both sides of the issue though and is a very valuable book, I agree.

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Quoting Courtney:

My kids are in daycare and public schools. My kids will not get anymore vaccines until they are safe for my kids. I am a single mother of 3 y/o autistic daughters. I am all for publics but I also don't have the funds due to my kids having special needs.
Please moms that are pro vaccines read the Dr. Sears book on vaccines it will really open your eyes.


But Dr. Sear's Vaccine book is not "anti-vaccine".  Dr. Sears highlights the risks and benefits of vaccines, and clearly states that vaccines are very important and also says that parents who are confident in the vaccine system in this country should go ahead and get their child vaccinated.  Now, I agree with breaking up the MMR vaccination, but I don't think the book says that you shouldn't have your children vaccinated.  It does a good job of presenting both sides of the issue though and is a very valuable book, I agree.

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My kids are in daycare and public schools. My kids will not get anymore vaccines until they are safe for my kids. I am a single mother of 3 y/o autistic daughters. I am all for publics but I also don't have the funds due to my kids having special needs.

Please moms that are pro vaccines read the Dr. Sears book on vaccines it will really open your eyes.

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Quoting Rose:



Quoting Abby:




Eden will not and has not recieved any vaccines and wont until she is 1 years old.. She will never get the flu shot but even when she is 1 the only vaccine I plan on giving her is Hep B and Tentanis shot... She is watched in he comfort of her own home by her Grandma and and Daddy she is not in a daycare nor will she ever be.. She is a BEAUTIFUL healthy 6 1/2 old baby girl and she will not contract any disease bc she will not ever be in contact with little kids in daycare spreading there germs everywhere.. When she is old enough to atten school it will not be a public school it will be a private school and she will always be well watched and well taken care of.. There arae 4 babies in my family who have literally not recieved 1 vaccine and they are 3 and up and they are more then fine!!!!! I have truley seen the light in my question and all of your replys have helped me come to the decision that I am right in doing what I am doing.. Thank you all so much for all your thoughts and concerns....









Poor Eden she will not be allowed to interact with other children until she is in school!  Daycare is not the only place where she has to be in contact with other kids.  What about playgroups? outdoor activities with other children? Hello what about exposure to the world??? I feel bad for children that are isolated from the world.  There is so much out there for a baby to experience don't take that away from your baby......





You know, I can't help but feel as if Abby is insinuating that Daycare and Public Schools are a bad thing here.  Some of us don't have the luxury of having family members around to watch our children or the funds to send them to private school...but I don't think those places are "dirty".  They are normal environments...this may be off the point of this discussion, but I just wanted to point that out for those of us that have to utilize daycare and public schools and chose to have our children vaccinated.

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Quoting Rose:



Quoting Abby:




Eden will not and has not recieved any vaccines and wont until she is 1 years old.. She will never get the flu shot but even when she is 1 the only vaccine I plan on giving her is Hep B and Tentanis shot... She is watched in he comfort of her own home by her Grandma and and Daddy she is not in a daycare nor will she ever be.. She is a BEAUTIFUL healthy 6 1/2 old baby girl and she will not contract any disease bc she will not ever be in contact with little kids in daycare spreading there germs everywhere.. When she is old enough to atten school it will not be a public school it will be a private school and she will always be well watched and well taken care of.. There arae 4 babies in my family who have literally not recieved 1 vaccine and they are 3 and up and they are more then fine!!!!! I have truley seen the light in my question and all of your replys have helped me come to the decision that I am right in doing what I am doing.. Thank you all so much for all your thoughts and concerns....









Poor Eden she will not be allowed to interact with other children until she is in school!  Daycare is not the only place where she has to be in contact with other kids.  What about playgroups? outdoor activities with other children? Hello what about exposure to the world??? I feel bad for children that are isolated from the world.  There is so much out there for a baby to experience don't take that away from your baby......





You know, I can't help but feel as if Abby is insinuating that Daycare and Public Schools are a bad thing here.  Some of us don't have the luxury of having family members around to watch our children or the funds to send them to private school...but I don't think those places are "dirty".  They are normal environments...this may be off the point of this discussion, but I just wanted to point that out for those of us that have to utilize daycare and public schools and chose to have our children vaccinated.

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personally, i think it's a very big mistake NOT to vaccinate your children!! can you imagine what it would be like if your child caught polio?!?!?! you would be devastated!

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