A controversal question about guns

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What do you think about guns?

The reason why I am asking is due to the young teens and or adults who are experiancing emotional issues etc who get their hands on a gun and decide to go on a rampage?



I would appreciate it if this could be a positive thread, no nastyness. Thank you

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Amanda - posted on 04/03/2009

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I have grown up in a family of hunters and have learned that guns are not a bad or evil thing.  You must learn to respect a gun and had a respectful fear of what they can potentially be used for.  I have two little girls in my house and yes, we do own a gun.  My husband is in the military and has been deployed in the past and will be deployed in the future.  When he is gone, I am the one in my house that my girls rely on to keep them safe.  I know how to use a gun and I am fully aware that it is NOT a toy!  Our guns are used in positive ways....such as putting food on our table and contributing to our safety.  I do not suggest for you to own a gun if you do not know how to use one!!!!!!   I believe it is important to know what you have in your hand and exactly how to use it!!   



I understand, Jean, your question...especially when we have had a recent history of teen and children who are getting their hands on weapons and causing injury and even death to innocent human beings.  This is exactly why I believe that you should teach your children to respect a gun or any other weapons for that matter.  Knives have often been used to take the lives of innocent victims also, but you don't see America going on a rampage to get rid of every knife in sight....they have to be respected to be used in a proper manner.  I also believe that we, as parents, need to closely monitor our childrens games and hobbies.  Vidoe games that promote violence and gore had a huge part in some of the school shootings......I DO NOT belive that these kinds of games are just harmless games for children.  We have obviously seen that these things effect our children a lot more than just the few minutes that they are playing in the living room during the day.  You need to approve EVERY game and movie that your children play and watch....to some, this may seem a little "over protective"......but, excuse me, our responsibility as parents is to protect our children and to train them to be responsible!!  That is why we are called parents...not play buddies!!!  I do believe we should have a close relationship with our children but they need to respect our rules......just something is popular doesn't mean that it is the best thing!!

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Elizabeth - posted on 04/13/2009

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Quoting Jean:

A controversal question about guns

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I would appreciate it if this could be a positive thread, no nastyness. Thank you



its controversial but NO controversial conversation OK kids??

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Quoting Brittney:



Quoting Kylie:




Look Brittney, we know you are pro-gun and you think they are great. I am happy to live in a country where I have freedom of speech, rights to live how I choose and also the security of knowing I am walking through my city passing masses of people and no one is carrying a concealed weapon (except the police) I see there was another mass shooting in America last week and 13 people died at the hands of a man with a gun.



Banning semi-automatic weapons and tight gun control have stopped mass killing in Australia FYI the statistics DO support this claim.






 






 






Look Kylie you MAY THiNK you are walking through your city and no one is carry concealed, but you don't know that, that's why its called concealed. I guess you have no criminals, my bad. And no you really don't have the rights as I do living in the U.S b/c your country took a simple liberty away from it's citizens by banning guns. Unfortunately there was another shooting and it's very sad, but maybe if just one person would have been carrying concealed they could have saved one if not all of those peoples lives, but no, we wouldn't want someone to be able to defend themselves and others, b/c that just to dangerous!!!  So you see we might have a society problem, but the guns aren't the problem, it was that wacko that was the problem. He probably bought that gun illegally or what have you, so tighter guns laws would have not stopped him, he was a mission either way. Your not going to stop these problems other than giving law abiding citizens the right to carry(if they so choose),so that IF this would happen they don't have to sit defenseless, bottom line. I know you'll probably disagree with me, and thats fine. I really don't care, but won't I will not put up with, is people saying tha America is some unsafe place, where all we do is walk around with guns. To imply that your country is the only safe place is just ridiculous.






By the way there are probably far less people walking around the U.S with guns than you think.  As you I feel safe walking down the street of my town w/o a gun, so if you think thats all I do is walk around with a gun, you are wrong. I have the option if I so choose, and that's one thing America is all about, having the CHOICE.











 






If an intruder came into my house right now, and I had a gun and shot them then under the New Zealand law, I would be charged.



Now I don't mean to sound negative when I say this but within days of that mass shooting in New York, a man in Pensylvania shot his family-excluding his wife and then turned the gun on himself. it was alleged that he did this because his wife was leaving him.



At the beginning of this year, a woman up in the North Island, went into a Vodafone store with a gun, held up the store for money. She was then shot dead by the arm defenders squad.



I personally think there should be tighter controlls on guns. Here in New Zealand there is about 1.1million guns (not counting illegal) and our population as of 2.38pm today is 4,304,769



 

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Quoting Stasia:

Brittney, we all know how you feel, your statistics are obviously not from a reliable source and Canada DOES have a lower rate of gun violence than the states does. Look it up somewhere that has some merit, just so you know googling it doesn't count.

I am so glad that you are happy to live in a country where it is your right to bear arms. Honestly, that's where you live, and you are happy about that so that's great. I am equally happy to live in a country where you can not leave a gun in your glove box. Guns are made to kill, and I do not believe in killing. It's great that you feel safer having a gun in your home, and it's great that you are comfortable with them.

I do not have the fear of living unarmed and I am proud and incredibly grateful that I am not afraid some "bad guy" as you call them is going to come into my home and harm me. To each her own, I am respecting your opinion but please don't spout inaccurate statistics like the crime rate in Canada being 50% higher. Let me ask you this, do you know anyone that has been shot, or even know OF someone that has been shot? I used to live in the 2nd biggest city in Canada and let me assure you gun violence is not common.



 



With all due respect Stasia I never question you not being happy were you lived, The big picture is the fact that gun bans do nothing.  "Death by gun control works on a level that nobody can dispute:documented WORLD HISTORY". Hatred+Government+Disarmed civilians= Genocide. Check this site out it will tell you the FACTS, WWW.JPFO.ORG/FILEGEN-A-M/DEATHGC   I am not just telling you to check it out either, everyone should check it out to look at the facts themseleves.





 

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Quoting Melissa:

Ok I just spent a few minutes reading some of these. The bottom line here is if you DONT live in AMERICA you dont get to choose how tight our rules are, and by the way if you dont live here then you dont know what you are talking about there are guidelines, and rules. And secondly and let me put this as simple as I can.....PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE, they may use a gun as thier weapon or a freakin piece of wood. Just cause you ban guns and make it harder to buy one doesnt mean people are going to stop killing people. We need to get help for those young people who are "disturbed" and not let them be near guns til they have had help. I own guns, a lot of them, and my 4 kids all know how to handle them. they know safety procedures. So guns are safe....as safe as your kitchen knife is. Remember Guns dont kill people...people do. and I am not here telling you that canadians are wrong with the way they have thier speed limits set up, or how to handle your country, so back OFF OF MINE!!!!!! * the speed limit is cause my hubby drives truck from here to there and they made him govern his truck down to 65 mph to follow thier rules, even if he doesnt live there...thats Bullshit* Just my opinions....An American Woman, Wife, and Citizen who believes that I have FREEDOM to buy a gun anytime I feel like it.....because i have to sence to know right from wrong.



For the speed limit part.   If you read the Canadian books for learning to drive Big riggs, you would know that We also have to conform to US regulations.  It is solely up to the drivers to know the Trucking rules in each state they travel too.   So no you DH having to conform to our rules are not out of line. You expect us to follow your rules when we visit your country and we expect you to do the same in ours.   By you I mean the US as a whole.   

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I grew up with guns in the house. Until I was like 18 I could not have told you where it was. and even then it was taken apart as much as it could be, the parts were kept in different locations including the Ammo. I love to target shoot and I am hoping my DH will take me shooting for my birthday. I agree with Jaime Massie in that People kill people. Shooting them is just another way for them to do it. I will be inherriting my grandfathers Army issued rifle, and as such I will be taking a gun safety course (manditory) and getting a gun cabinet that can be locked. My Daughter will be exposed to target shooting when she is old enough and taught gun safety.

Brooke - posted on 04/08/2009

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Growing up my dad had a rifle in his closet and the bullets were kept up out of our reach. My dad told us all what the rifle was for and how it could hurt us. My mom's side of the family are big hunters and so I saw guns often growing up. My extended family, and some immediate family, are all pro-guns. It's not that I'm against guns but personally I have never felt the need to have one. Several of you stated you live in rural areas or small towns....I live in the city. My husband and I have been living in the semi-"ghetto" for 5 years now. We have prostitutes and drug dealers on the street corners. My husband works EARLY morning hours and attends school full time; I am at home full-time with our 2 children. Honestly, I'm not living in fear. My husband and I use wisdom in allowing our children outside at certain times and we are ALWAYS aware of what's around us. This being said, I have seen and heard the effects of guns for 5 years ( all in a negative way). Personally, we don't own a gun but have talked on occasion about getting one. We trust God in all we do ( not saying that others don't ). For us, we believe 100 % that the right to bear arms should be protected, we just have decided to not own a gun at present.

Stasia - posted on 04/08/2009

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Brittney, we all know how you feel, your statistics are obviously not from a reliable source and Canada DOES have a lower rate of gun violence than the states does. Look it up somewhere that has some merit, just so you know googling it doesn't count.

I am so glad that you are happy to live in a country where it is your right to bear arms. Honestly, that's where you live, and you are happy about that so that's great. I am equally happy to live in a country where you can not leave a gun in your glove box. Guns are made to kill, and I do not believe in killing. It's great that you feel safer having a gun in your home, and it's great that you are comfortable with them.

I do not have the fear of living unarmed and I am proud and incredibly grateful that I am not afraid some "bad guy" as you call them is going to come into my home and harm me. To each her own, I am respecting your opinion but please don't spout inaccurate statistics like the crime rate in Canada being 50% higher. Let me ask you this, do you know anyone that has been shot, or even know OF someone that has been shot? I used to live in the 2nd biggest city in Canada and let me assure you gun violence is not common.

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Quoting Melissa:

Ok I just spent a few minutes reading some of these. The bottom line here is if you DONT live in AMERICA you dont get to choose how tight our rules are, and by the way if you dont live here then you dont know what you are talking about there are guidelines, and rules. And secondly and let me put this as simple as I can.....PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE, they may use a gun as thier weapon or a freakin piece of wood. Just cause you ban guns and make it harder to buy one doesnt mean people are going to stop killing people. We need to get help for those young people who are "disturbed" and not let them be near guns til they have had help. I own guns, a lot of them, and my 4 kids all know how to handle them. they know safety procedures. So guns are safe....as safe as your kitchen knife is. Remember Guns dont kill people...people do. and I am not here telling you that canadians are wrong with the way they have thier speed limits set up, or how to handle your country, so back OFF OF MINE!!!!!! * the speed limit is cause my hubby drives truck from here to there and they made him govern his truck down to 65 mph to follow thier rules, even if he doesnt live there...thats Bullshit* Just my opinions....An American Woman, Wife, and Citizen who believes that I have FREEDOM to buy a gun anytime I feel like it.....because i have to sence to know right from wrong.



I just want to comment on the speed limit thing.Why is it bullshit that he has to follow certain rules when he's in a different country? A canadian in the US is expected to follow US rules right?? I didn't see any posts personally saying America is a bad place to live. The question was about guns and America is  one country with the "right" to carry them so of course thats what people brought up. You're proud to be American and thats great. Thats how your were raised. But I'm just as proud to be Canadian and not have the "right" to carry concealed guns and thats how I was raised.



I think this discussion is going to far into a country bashing argument. We all have different laws and rules and if we don't like another country's rules, who cares? We don't live there!! I'm proud to be Canadian and I hate reading the comments about it being a bad place (since when??!!!) And I'm sure everyone else feels the same about their country. The end:)

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Quoting Cheryl- Chris:

Different countries have different laws. Let's not be attacking each other. We as moms need to have each other for support and encouragement. That is what is great about free will- we are all entitled to our opinions, and we are allowed to disagree with each other (or agree for that matter). I have already previously stated my stand and beliefs, and have tried not to attack others. On a topic like this, it is defiantely envoking a lot of responses~ as we all can tell.



 



I am NOT attacking anyone, just merely stating facts and statistic regarding gun bans. No one is arguing the fact that different countries have different laws, obviously we all know that, rather the effects that strict gun bans have.  Just as you have your opinion I have mine, and I do not have to support every mothers opinion on any forum for that matter.  Everytime a mother brings up a controversal question about anything, people seem to not being able to handle such forums. If you don't like what a forum is about don't post on it , don't read it, go about your day and read other posts, thats all.





 

Cheryl- Chris - posted on 04/08/2009

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Different countries have different laws. Let's not be attacking each other. We as moms need to have each other for support and encouragement. That is what is great about free will- we are all entitled to our opinions, and we are allowed to disagree with each other (or agree for that matter). I have already previously stated my stand and beliefs, and have tried not to attack others. On a topic like this, it is defiantely envoking a lot of responses~ as we all can tell.

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Quoting Kylie:



 







Those are pretty good stats considering crime would be up because our population as been growing quickly (our gov even gives us a 5K baby bonus to encourage people to populate)






Crime does not mean solely gun crimes either... hmm no mass killings since 1996..how many has America had since that year? I never implied we don’t have evil, bad people here and that America is this horrible unsafe place. I think we are all lucky to live in a free democratic society, where we and our children have the right to education, excellent healthcare and plenty of opportunity to be anything we want. However, I still think guns are made for one purpose only and if people can sell them from a back for a car in a car park with a police officer watching with no paper work or registration required then that is a huge problem. Things can change if people are willing to give up their right to own and carry guns. How about the government puts a ban on selling ammo...and any sold is tagged and recorded and only distributed to people with a licence… that could be a start?






It doesn’t matter anyway really. I can’t personally change peoples ideals or the gun laws..it’s just my opinion in the end, but its been nice debating with you.



 



Well its good to know you like debating with me...lol. Yes the crimes I listed to you were related to guns, homicides and  armed robberies. I don't think you like hearing the facts that gun bans have not proven themselves bottom line, but don't feel bad your country isn't the only country that has bans on guns which resulted in higher crime. And just b/c you haven't had another mass shooting doesn't mean it won't happen again, I wouldn't want it to happen again for your country either. You see America has a democracy, Austrialia not so much b/c if they can take a simply liberty away from you they will eventually take more.  Things WON"T change by giving our guns up, and facts support that I really wish you'd realize that.  I will NEVER be willing to hand over my guns, NEVER and neither would many other Americans. It's really not even about the guns, it's about self liberties, the right or the choice. A democracy believes that a gov't should have little to do with the people. THe gov't should have no say in banning guns or ammo, that is taking our constitutional right away as an American citizen, I know you don't understand the importance of this b/c you do not live here, and that fine. Once again banning ammo will not stop anything either, people will still find ammo, or make their own.  We can agree to disagree and thats fine, but facts are facts.





 

Kylie - posted on 04/08/2009

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Those are pretty good stats considering crime would be up because our population as been growing quickly (our gov even gives us a 5K baby bonus to encourage people to populate)



Crime does not mean solely gun crimes either... hmm no mass killings since 1996..how many has America had since that year? I never implied we don’t have evil, bad people here and that America is this horrible unsafe place. I think we are all lucky to live in a free democratic society, where we and our children have the right to education, excellent healthcare and plenty of opportunity to be anything we want. However, I still think guns are made for one purpose only and if people can sell them from a back for a car in a car park with a police officer watching with no paper work or registration required then that is a huge problem. Things can change if people are willing to give up their right to own and carry guns. How about the government puts a ban on selling ammo...and any sold is tagged and recorded and only distributed to people with a licence… that could be a start?



It doesn’t matter anyway really. I can’t personally change peoples ideals or the gun laws..it’s just my opinion in the end, but its been nice debating with you.

Melissa - posted on 04/08/2009

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Ok I just spent a few minutes reading some of these. The bottom line here is if you DONT live in AMERICA you dont get to choose how tight our rules are, and by the way if you dont live here then you dont know what you are talking about there are guidelines, and rules. And secondly and let me put this as simple as I can.....PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE, they may use a gun as thier weapon or a freakin piece of wood. Just cause you ban guns and make it harder to buy one doesnt mean people are going to stop killing people. We need to get help for those young people who are "disturbed" and not let them be near guns til they have had help. I own guns, a lot of them, and my 4 kids all know how to handle them. they know safety procedures. So guns are safe....as safe as your kitchen knife is. Remember Guns dont kill people...people do. and I am not here telling you that canadians are wrong with the way they have thier speed limits set up, or how to handle your country, so back OFF OF MINE!!!!!! * the speed limit is cause my hubby drives truck from here to there and they made him govern his truck down to 65 mph to follow thier rules, even if he doesnt live there...thats Bullshit* Just my opinions....An American Woman, Wife, and Citizen who believes that I have FREEDOM to buy a gun anytime I feel like it.....because i have to sence to know right from wrong.

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Quoting Stasia:



Quoting Brittney:




By the way if some of you women from other countries think America has such a bad crime rate b/c of guns. First of all why don't you google "crime rates in America b/c of guns", and get the facts about gun related crimes, instead of stating non-factual comments.









yes, lets google it, because everything you read on the internet is true- Especially results from google.



 



Just to let you know crime rate in Canada is 50% higher than the U.S., and that's a fact!!! So banning guns does NOT work and your country has proven that, along with many others.  





 

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Quoting Stasia:



Quoting Brittney:




By the way if some of you women from other countries think America has such a bad crime rate b/c of guns. First of all why don't you google "crime rates in America b/c of guns", and get the facts about gun related crimes, instead of stating non-factual comments.









yes, lets google it, because everything you read on the internet is true- Especially results from google.



 



Just to let you know crime rate in Canada is 50% higher than the U.S., and that's a fact!!! So banning guns does NOT work and your country has proven that, along with many others.  





 

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Quoting Kylie:



Look Brittney, we know you are pro-gun and you think they are great. I am happy to live in a country where I have freedom of speech, rights to live how I choose and also the security of knowing I am walking through my city passing masses of people and no one is carrying a concealed weapon (except the police) I see there was another mass shooting in America last week and 13 people died at the hands of a man with a gun.


Banning semi-automatic weapons and tight gun control have stopped mass killing in Australia FYI the statistics DO support this claim.



 



Oh and I forgot.... statistics my show that you haven't had another mass killing, but crime is up since Australia Banned guns in 1996. Since the gun ban country wide, homicides are up 3.2%, assaults are up 8.6%, armes robberies have climed nearly 45%, In the Australian state Victoria, gun homicides have climed 300%, In the 25yrs before the gun ban, crime in Australia had been dropping steadily, and there has been a reported "dramatic increase" in home burglaries and assaults on the ederly.



Australian press accounts report that the half a million plus figure of weapons turned in to authorities so far only represents a tiny fraction of the guns believed to be in the country.



So there's the statistics, and it doesn't look like crime has went down since your ban on guns. All of this can be found on worldnetdaily.com







 

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Quoting Kylie:



Look Brittney, we know you are pro-gun and you think they are great. I am happy to live in a country where I have freedom of speech, rights to live how I choose and also the security of knowing I am walking through my city passing masses of people and no one is carrying a concealed weapon (except the police) I see there was another mass shooting in America last week and 13 people died at the hands of a man with a gun.


Banning semi-automatic weapons and tight gun control have stopped mass killing in Australia FYI the statistics DO support this claim.



 



 



Look Kylie you MAY THiNK you are walking through your city and no one is carry concealed, but you don't know that, that's why its called concealed. I guess you have no criminals, my bad. And no you really don't have the rights as I do living in the U.S b/c your country took a simple liberty away from it's citizens by banning guns. Unfortunately there was another shooting and it's very sad, but maybe if just one person would have been carrying concealed they could have saved one if not all of those peoples lives, but no, we wouldn't want someone to be able to defend themselves and others, b/c that just to dangerous!!!  So you see we might have a society problem, but the guns aren't the problem, it was that wacko that was the problem. He probably bought that gun illegally or what have you, so tighter guns laws would have not stopped him, he was a mission either way. Your not going to stop these problems other than giving law abiding citizens the right to carry(if they so choose),so that IF this would happen they don't have to sit defenseless, bottom line. I know you'll probably disagree with me, and thats fine. I really don't care, but won't I will not put up with, is people saying tha America is some unsafe place, where all we do is walk around with guns. To imply that your country is the only safe place is just ridiculous.



By the way there are probably far less people walking around the U.S with guns than you think.  As you I feel safe walking down the street of my town w/o a gun, so if you think thats all I do is walk around with a gun, you are wrong. I have the option if I so choose, and that's one thing America is all about, having the CHOICE.







 

Cheryl- Chris - posted on 04/07/2009

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Kylie,

Are you referring to the shooting in Binghamton, New York that happened Friday? If so, here is something the res of you might find interesting.........I only live 164 miles away.......Obviously there are people who live there, but I don't think any of the mothers who have posted do. If so, let me know!

Kylie - posted on 04/07/2009

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Look Brittney, we know you are pro-gun and you think they are great. I am happy to live in a country where I have freedom of speech, rights to live how I choose and also the security of knowing I am walking through my city passing masses of people and no one is carrying a concealed weapon (except the police) I see there was another mass shooting in America last week and 13 people died at the hands of a man with a gun.

Banning semi-automatic weapons and tight gun control have stopped mass killing in Australia FYI the statistics DO support this claim.



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Quoting Stasia:

The quote "guns dont kill people, people kill people" is ridiculous. Of course people kill people, but guns make it a hell of a lot easier!
I live in Canada and do not, and will not own a gun. I dont know anyone in my town who has a gun for protection. Why would you need it if no one else had them either?

The more guns there are, the more guns people feel they need and lets face it, not everyone is careful, so the risk of accidents go up.



 



Well, why would you know if someone in your town has a gun? And why would someone need a gun if no one else had one, b/c that will NEVER happen. There will always be someone with a gun, most of the times the criminals. I guess Canada is crime free, I don't know, I don't know the gun laws up there. Or maybe your banned from owning one, I don't know. But what I do know, is thats why I live in America and you live in Canada. I am sure you love living in Canada gun free, as I LOVE living in America with the right to bear arms. So we are different people in different countries, and that's ok, We can agree to disagree.





 

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Quoting Stasia:



Quoting Brittney:




By the way if some of you women from other countries think America has such a bad crime rate b/c of guns. First of all why don't you google "crime rates in America b/c of guns", and get the facts about gun related crimes, instead of stating non-factual comments.









yes, lets google it, because everything you read on the internet is true- Especially results from google.



 



I don't mean from google itself, just use that as your search engine, thats what it is, isn't it?  I mean don't you think that women from other countries should get the facts about a America first before making assumptions, or stating a comment with no proof to back it up. My bad the media tells you about our so called crime rate in the U.S . b/c of guns and you believe them, maybe you shouldn't believe everything the media tells you, b/c most of time they're not telling you of the unrelated gun crime here, they want to scare you into believeing we all have guns and thats the problem. WE MAY have society problem, but we don't have a gun problem.





 

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Quoting Brittney:



By the way if some of you women from other countries think America has such a bad crime rate b/c of guns. First of all why don't you google "crime rates in America b/c of guns", and get the facts about gun related crimes, instead of stating non-factual comments.





yes, lets google it, because everything you read on the internet is true- Especially results from google.

Stasia - posted on 04/07/2009

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The quote "guns dont kill people, people kill people" is ridiculous. Of course people kill people, but guns make it a hell of a lot easier!
I live in Canada and do not, and will not own a gun. I dont know anyone in my town who has a gun for protection. Why would you need it if no one else had them either?

The more guns there are, the more guns people feel they need and lets face it, not everyone is careful, so the risk of accidents go up.

Mikayla - posted on 04/07/2009

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My fiancee was a Marine and he has already told me he wants a gun. I told him no at first but then i listened to what his reasons were. He wants us to be able to protect ourselves, and he told me that he would teach kenzie (when she's old enough) to use the gun and not make it seem like its a fun thing to do, more of a lesson. Until then he will keep the gun in one part of the house and the bullets in another. I told him we should have a gun safe bolted to the floor, and until that happens he can;t have one.

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we have several guns in our house ...my husband likes to target shoot at the range and it is the only thing the guns are used for...we so not however store any ammo in the house he just picks it up on his way to the range and i feel comfortable with that. I think it is great to teach kids gun safety and to use them properly ...the person who says they don't allow toy guns or knives is being incredibly naieve...guns are not only used for violence they are used for hunting / target shooting and protection. I wouldnt let my kids aim play guns at each other but having them around isnt an issue for me...and my daughter has lots of play knives..that she uses in her toy kitchen..,so come on this isnt a black and white conversation

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Quoting Kate:



Quoting Brittney:




By the way if some of you women from other countries think America has such a bad crime rate b/c of guns. First of all why don't you google "crime rates in America b/c of guns", and get the facts about gun related crimes, instead of stating non-factual comments.









Just remember...there are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics. 






For every number I can quote saying gun control saves lives some one else can counter with a number stating that gun control doesn't save lives. Statistics and data always change or are just out and out wrong. 






Does gun control save lives? Of course it does. Keeping guns off the street and out of reach of your every day wacko is bound to save lives. Does that mean all Americans should toss their guns on the bonfire and wave their right to bear arms? Of course not! Responsible gun ownership and usage begins with responsible adults. Children do not, and should not, enter into the equation. Kids should be taught the truth about guns: they ARE dangerous, they were invented to kill things, and they ARE NOT toys. Personally, I think it's a good idea for people to have a little fear of guns. People should respect the amount of power and damage a person can wield with a little piece of metal.



 



Well why don't you look at the history of statistics regarding guns. You may think statistics are wrong and that's just an opinion, b/c statistics are showing what is actually happening and breaking it down for you weather you believe it or not.



Sure  taking guns off the streets and from wackos COULD save lives, but regardless these wacko will always have guns. Their are far more people dying from auto accidents then gun related crime, and thats a fact. The only people that pay for these stricter guns laws in law abiding citizens, b.c criminals already have them, they aren't going to come out and say "Oh I need to register my gun, so the gov't knows what I have".



I don't think anyone is saying a gun is a toy. I know exactly the power and damage a gun can do, its a weapon for a reason.





 

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What do I think about guns.....That's easy! I AM FOR THEM!!!!!! I don't necessarily believe that tougher gun laws will help reduce the amount of deaths either. I believe that if you try to put harder gun laws into effect, the government is just shooting itself in the foot. For example: Even just in the US where there are cities that have no guns allowed laws (D.C., Chicago, etc.) have the most crimes involving guns. Or take a look at Germany's gun crime history. It's always the U.S. that is painted in a bad light, but why don't we start looking around us at the other countries of the world? Germany has by far more gun violence and death by guns than the U.S. does. Oh yeah, by the way, Germany has some of the toughest laws concerning gun control in the world.

As an American, we have the right to bear and carry arms. I get so ticked off that ignorant people are trying to take my RIGHTS away from me and my family.

Right now, we have 4 guns in our house. They are in our bedroom, in a gun rack that my grandfather made for my husband (he made them fwor my 4 brothers and one cousin as well.). Our boys are three and two, and they get in trouble if they try to play with them. It is all about gun safety though.
Let's think through another scenerio: What would instill more fear into a person? Being told that a gun is loaded or unloaded? The reason that I ask, is that a person is always taught to assume that the gun is unloaded. Why? Why not assume that the gun is loaded until you personally know it is not? Why assume? I would rather see my husband or FIL unload the gun and then put it away. Why? Because I have seen what a gun can do (I am not arguing that it is not powerful. I have seen too many deer shot and enjoyed!!!!). I will also tell you, I have a shotgun on my side of the bed. If any one comes into my house, you will be met with this. (In fact, my husband has learned to make a sound that will identify him when he comes home from work early- he works from 1:00 A.M.-?. Why does he know to do this? Because he has come home early, and did not call me first.) Which brings me to our "second" gun rule: Make sure of your target before shooting.
Yes, I grew up with guns, I have gone hunting, and I enjoy knowing I have a means to protect my boys and myself if my husband is at work or out of town. In fact, if $$$$ wasn't an issue, we both would have our conceal carry weapon's permit along with a pistol.

For you mothers who will not allow toy guns, be prepared for your children to use bananas or anything. Just thought I would warn you ahead of time.

For those who are wondering why we have so much violence and crime...........Let's see. Let's keep in mind I am not preaching, but merely informing. I don't care if you believe in a higher authority called God, or whatever you call Him. Reread your history books. America was founded by people who were being persecuted for their different beliefs. Maybe, just maybe if America got back to the reasons why we were founded (God, personal freedom, and all the reasons that we have the Bill of Rights, etc.) we might see a decrease in crime and violence. Now, before you all jump on my case about seperation of church and state or that I am preaching, have you read the Constitution and Bill of Rights? No where is that phrase mentioned. In fact, one of the first 10 Amendments (Bill of Rights) was put in there so that the government could not make any one believe a certian way (Baptist, Catholic, Quaker, Atheist, Hindu, Muslim, etc.) It is to be left up to the indivudal.

I understand the concern about the young teens and adults who struggle with emotional issues. But where are the parents? (Granted, there are the cases where a mother is doing all that she can, so that a child has to go to a babysitter's,) but let's just say that one parent decided to stay home even part time (when the child/ren would be home) it would go a long ways toward decreasing the violence. This would help because then the parent is a part of the child's life, and can monitor what gets watched on the T.V., what music the kids are listening to, and what kind of vidoe games are being played.

It might seem that I went off on a tangent, but I believe that these issues are all interconnected.



 



Amen you said that well. I agree with you 110%!!!! You are absolutely right countries that have tighter gun laws have higher crime or higher rate of citizens with illegal guns. The only thing stricterr gun laws would do to our country is take away the rights of everyday law abiding citizens, b/c criminals already have them. Why should a law abiding citizen have a 5 day waiting period to get a gun, when criminals have no waiting period.





 

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What do I think about guns.....That's easy! I AM FOR THEM!!!!!! I don't necessarily believe that tougher gun laws will help reduce the amount of deaths either. I believe that if you try to put harder gun laws into effect, the government is just shooting itself in the foot. For example: Even just in the US where there are cities that have no guns allowed laws (D.C., Chicago, etc.) have the most crimes involving guns. Or take a look at Germany's gun crime history. It's always the U.S. that is painted in a bad light, but why don't we start looking around us at the other countries of the world? Germany has by far more gun violence and death by guns than the U.S. does. Oh yeah, by the way, Germany has some of the toughest laws concerning gun control in the world.



As an American, we have the right to bear and carry arms. I get so ticked off that ignorant people are trying to take my RIGHTS away from me and my family.



Right now, we have 4 guns in our house. They are in our bedroom, in a gun rack that my grandfather made for my husband (he made them fwor my 4 brothers and one cousin as well.). Our boys are three and two, and they get in trouble if they try to play with them. It is all about gun safety though.

Let's think through another scenerio: What would instill more fear into a person? Being told that a gun is loaded or unloaded? The reason that I ask, is that a person is always taught to assume that the gun is unloaded. Why? Why not assume that the gun is loaded until you personally know it is not? Why assume? I would rather see my husband or FIL unload the gun and then put it away. Why? Because I have seen what a gun can do (I am not arguing that it is not powerful. I have seen too many deer shot and enjoyed!!!!). I will also tell you, I have a shotgun on my side of the bed. If any one comes into my house, you will be met with this. (In fact, my husband has learned to make a sound that will identify him when he comes home from work early- he works from 1:00 A.M.-?. Why does he know to do this? Because he has come home early, and did not call me first.) Which brings me to our "second" gun rule: Make sure of your target before shooting.

Yes, I grew up with guns, I have gone hunting, and I enjoy knowing I have a means to protect my boys and myself if my husband is at work or out of town. In fact, if $$$$ wasn't an issue, we both would have our conceal carry weapon's permit along with a pistol.



For you mothers who will not allow toy guns, be prepared for your children to use bananas or anything. Just thought I would warn you ahead of time.



For those who are wondering why we have so much violence and crime...........Let's see. Let's keep in mind I am not preaching, but merely informing. I don't care if you believe in a higher authority called God, or whatever you call Him. Reread your history books. America was founded by people who were being persecuted for their different beliefs. Maybe, just maybe if America got back to the reasons why we were founded (God, personal freedom, and all the reasons that we have the Bill of Rights, etc.) we might see a decrease in crime and violence. Now, before you all jump on my case about seperation of church and state or that I am preaching, have you read the Constitution and Bill of Rights? No where is that phrase mentioned. In fact, one of the first 10 Amendments (Bill of Rights) was put in there so that the government could not make any one believe a certian way (Baptist, Catholic, Quaker, Atheist, Hindu, Muslim, etc.) It is to be left up to the indivudal.



I understand the concern about the young teens and adults who struggle with emotional issues. But where are the parents? (Granted, there are the cases where a mother is doing all that she can, so that a child has to go to a babysitter's,) but let's just say that one parent decided to stay home even part time (when the child/ren would be home) it would go a long ways toward decreasing the violence. This would help because then the parent is a part of the child's life, and can monitor what gets watched on the T.V., what music the kids are listening to, and what kind of vidoe games are being played.



It might seem that I went off on a tangent, but I believe that these issues are all interconnected.

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I believe that if an individual knows the saftey of guns that it is okay to have them but keep them locked up so the kids cant get near them. If you notice someone who is going through an emotional issue in your household ask a realtive or friend to keep them safely locked up until the person gets emotional help.

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Quoting Brittney:



By the way if some of you women from other countries think America has such a bad crime rate b/c of guns. First of all why don't you google "crime rates in America b/c of guns", and get the facts about gun related crimes, instead of stating non-factual comments.





Just remember...there are lies, damn lies, and then there are statistics. 



For every number I can quote saying gun control saves lives some one else can counter with a number stating that gun control doesn't save lives. Statistics and data always change or are just out and out wrong. 



Does gun control save lives? Of course it does. Keeping guns off the street and out of reach of your every day wacko is bound to save lives. Does that mean all Americans should toss their guns on the bonfire and wave their right to bear arms? Of course not! Responsible gun ownership and usage begins with responsible adults. Children do not, and should not, enter into the equation. Kids should be taught the truth about guns: they ARE dangerous, they were invented to kill things, and they ARE NOT toys. Personally, I think it's a good idea for people to have a little fear of guns. People should respect the amount of power and damage a person can wield with a little piece of metal.

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Quoting Kylie:




I think it’s interesting the only women on this thread who think there needs to be tighter gun control to make society safer in America are from the UK, Canada and Australia.










I don't think that's a fair statement, we all want things to be safer...we're mothers!  I just don't think that gun control is going to solve our nation's problems with gun violence.  It's easy to make assumptions from the outside looking in, the US has some serious societal problems.  I don't think that anyone on this thread has condoned gun violence in any way, or said the US doesn't have problems with violence.  You guys can look at us and think that we all love guns and want a two year old to be able to go to a store and buy a semi-automatic weapon, but it's not true.  All of our countries have problems, but the answers to the problems aren't simple.  Like I said, anybody who wants to buy a gun can find a way to get one, and I don't think that's just true here in the US.



 



Well said, I agree





 

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By the way if some of you women from other countries think America has such a bad crime rate b/c of guns. First of all why don't you google "crime rates in America b/c of guns", and get the facts about gun related crimes, instead of stating non-factual comments.

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Quoting Brittany:

I personally don't want guns around my child. My fiance said he wants a gun to protect us and that he'd keep it locked up and all. I think if it's locked up that's fine, but I'm just really scared because even children are killing people nowadays. Like the 10 year old that killed his dad's 8 month pregnant fiance. That's scary to think about. What really scares me is that when my daughter is in school and goes to her friends house, how do i know that she'll be safe. Another thing is I really believe that children are really desensitized to the effects of violence and guns because of the video games they play. How are they taught the severe consequences, I don't think they can separate the fantasy of video games from reality because many children are put in front of video games and tv for babysitters and are not monitored. I think with my daughter I will make sure she understands reality and has compassion and empathy before she is allowed to play video games that have violence in them.



 



I just wanted to share this info with you. Firearms accidents are the second lowest out of accidental deaths of children. Statistics show highest to lowest in accidentally death that automobile is number one, then poisoning by solids/liquid, pedestrian, drowning, fire/ burn, suffocation by gases, then firearms, and lastly poisonion by gas. The National Safety Council also commented that "more children die from accidental drowning or burns than from gun accidents."   You see the media has people thinking that so many kids are accidentally getting killed from guns, or that kids are killing their parents or what have you, b/c these stories always recieve national attn. You don't here of all the drownings or auto accidents you hear of guns b/c they want you to think we have something wrong, an issue, and clearly we don't, statistics have proven that. Am I saying that a gun accident can't happen, No, but the chances are alot less than the ones I wrote above.  What the news doesn't tell you is that in the U.S. each year there are between 2.2 and 2.5 million defensive gun uses by civilians against humans. They don't want to tell you of the lives that guns have saved as well. Hope I didn't come off to strong, I just wanted you and others to know the statistics, before judging guns. It's fine if someone doesn't want to have a gun that their choice, but when people and not you, start blurting things out w/o the facts, that's when someone can be mislead.





 

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I totally agree Chantel. I've never been around guns.. I don’t get them. they are made for one purpose only (unlike knives) Like I said in an earlier post, there was a mass shooting here in Australia in 1996 which brought changes to our gun laws and the government designed a buy back scheme and people were forced to give up their weapons. It’s now a long, arduous process to go through if you want to be a gun owner. This has worked and there have not been any mass killings since. Gun restrictions save lives it's been proven here.



You said "Gun restrictions save lives it's been proven here." Just an FYI statistics do not support that comment you made b/c its not true.





 

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Quoting Brittney:








Quoting Morag:

Guns serve their purpose. Don't get me wrong. I don't think they should be outlawed. I just think that have guns so easily accessible (like lying on top of cupboards, in shoe boxes) etc, is a very irresponsible way of handling an instrument that kills people. To drive a car for instance, you need a license, which you need to train for. They are expensive and they need to be regularly tax and inspected. The laws are very strict on driving a car under the influence of drugs/drink, if you commit a crime with a car you need more training, loose your license, go to jail... because at the end of the day a car is nothing more than a weapon that kills if used irresponsibly by maniacs. So why are the same laws not applied to guns in the US? I think the reason why people from other countries think that the US has the most outrageous laws concerning guns is because people on the outside often see problems where people close to the problem don't. I mean even the thought about teachers carrying guns... omg thats just an awful thing for kids to grow up in an environment so steeped in fear and violence.

I am sure anyone will agree.. having a weapon to protect yourself is one thing, but to protect yourself against an equally armed person, who is of sufficient mental disposition to break into a strangers house, and attack them isn't as easy as just owning a gun, you are going to need to kill them or at least injure them severely. Most people are going to struggle with that, that second of flinching against someone whos probably killed before or has no conscience... well it might be the split second where all the guns in the world won't help you. Even soldiers struggle with this concept... Killing a person isn't easy.

Criminals will always find guns, fact, but if guns are just lying about peoples houses, a simple robbery will put a weapon in the hands of a person who is not responsible or mentally sane enough to have a weapon. And violence will always beget violence.








OMG ....YES teachers carrying guns!!! You know everyone from other countries seem to know everything about AMERICA, we are all just a bunch of angry killers. Lets not forget AMERICA is one of the most sucessful nations as well, so obviously we are doing something right!








Also if an intruder came into my house and my children were in danger I would have no second thought in shooting them!! So, no you don't have to be a cold killer to make that split second descision.












 ok, I know ppl are about to get in an uproar over me saying this, but i have to. I think this statement: " Lets not forget AMERICA is one of the most sucessful nations as well, so obviously we are doing something right!" used to be true, but not now... i'm hoping it becomes true again, but right now we are not the best. We have people living in cities made of tents, people that cannot afford to feed their children. I love America and pray to God that things are fixed. Among these are the violence issues in the nation that we are speaking of.



 



I do think we are still one of the most succesful nations, yeah we may be at a low, but we will prosper back if we the people take back this country.








 





 

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Quoting Brittany:



Quoting Brittney:








Quoting Morag:

Guns serve their purpose. Don't get me wrong. I don't think they should be outlawed. I just think that have guns so easily accessible (like lying on top of cupboards, in shoe boxes) etc, is a very irresponsible way of handling an instrument that kills people. To drive a car for instance, you need a license, which you need to train for. They are expensive and they need to be regularly tax and inspected. The laws are very strict on driving a car under the influence of drugs/drink, if you commit a crime with a car you need more training, loose your license, go to jail... because at the end of the day a car is nothing more than a weapon that kills if used irresponsibly by maniacs. So why are the same laws not applied to guns in the US? I think the reason why people from other countries think that the US has the most outrageous laws concerning guns is because people on the outside often see problems where people close to the problem don't. I mean even the thought about teachers carrying guns... omg thats just an awful thing for kids to grow up in an environment so steeped in fear and violence.

I am sure anyone will agree.. having a weapon to protect yourself is one thing, but to protect yourself against an equally armed person, who is of sufficient mental disposition to break into a strangers house, and attack them isn't as easy as just owning a gun, you are going to need to kill them or at least injure them severely. Most people are going to struggle with that, that second of flinching against someone whos probably killed before or has no conscience... well it might be the split second where all the guns in the world won't help you. Even soldiers struggle with this concept... Killing a person isn't easy.

Criminals will always find guns, fact, but if guns are just lying about peoples houses, a simple robbery will put a weapon in the hands of a person who is not responsible or mentally sane enough to have a weapon. And violence will always beget violence.








OMG ....YES teachers carrying guns!!! You know everyone from other countries seem to know everything about AMERICA, we are all just a bunch of angry killers. Lets not forget AMERICA is one of the most sucessful nations as well, so obviously we are doing something right!








Also if an intruder came into my house and my children were in danger I would have no second thought in shooting them!! So, no you don't have to be a cold killer to make that split second descision.












 ok, I know ppl are about to get in an uproar over me saying this, but i have to. I think this statement: " Lets not forget AMERICA is one of the most sucessful nations as well, so obviously we are doing something right!" used to be true, but not now... i'm hoping it becomes true again, but right now we are not the best. We have people living in cities made of tents, people that cannot afford to feed their children. I love America and pray to God that things are fixed. Among these are the violence issues in the nation that we are speaking of.



 



I do think we are still one of the most succesful nations, yeah we may be at a low, but we will prosper back if we the people take back this country.








 





 

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My husband is a hunter so he has a shotgun. its NEVER loaded the ammo is locked up in our garage and the gun is locked up in our house. We also have a 9 mil that he likes to shoot at our family farm. We have it in our bedroom *just in case* But its not loaded and it has a barrel lock. and trigger lock...the keys are in our nightstand along with the magazine...My kids don't know we own guns and I never plan on telling them.

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My boyfriend and alot of other people that I know have guns because of being hunters.When I found out that I was pregnant with our first child I told by bf that he had to get a gun safe or the guns had to be removed from the house and be stored somewhere else. I didnt want my child to be able to access them and get hurt. That christmas his parents got him the safe which locks tight and he has the keys put away where they cant be found.I believe that children need to be taught how to safely use guns and only be able to use and access them with an adult around.

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the Second Amendment- Right to keep and bear arms. the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

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I have never owned a gun and will never own a gun. My child will not be around guns (at least not until he is old enough that I can't stop him) and I will not allow toy guns. I cannot stand guns, they are made simply to kill things. (People, animals etc) I would love nothing more than if every single person would give up their guns. BUT I could never support an all out ban on the weapons because I value individual rights far too much. I'm very big on freedom of speech, all that Constitutional jazz...so no matter how much I wish people would willingly give up their horrendous weapons, I would never support forcing them to.

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In my opinion, children should be taught safety and how to properly handle a weapon. My son is only 2, but it won't be long until he's out with his Dad and my Dad hunting, so he'll know from a young age about gun safety!!!

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The reason guns are such a problem in our society is because of the black market where anyone at anytime can get a hold of a gun. If gun safety is taught to our children and awareness, it would help a lot!!! I totally agree with the " Guns don't kill people, people who miss use the gun kill the people".

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I agree WHOLE Heartedly with Amanda. Guns in the house are only a threat if the members of the household are unaware of the consequences of the actions that are possible. All must be made aware of the object and be taught to respect the gun. It is NOT a toy.

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Quoting Kylie:



I think it’s interesting the only women on this thread who think there needs to be tighter gun control to make society safer in America are from the UK, Canada and Australia.






I don't think that's a fair statement, we all want things to be safer...we're mothers!  I just don't think that gun control is going to solve our nation's problems with gun violence.  It's easy to make assumptions from the outside looking in, the US has some serious societal problems.  I don't think that anyone on this thread has condoned gun violence in any way, or said the US doesn't have problems with violence.  You guys can look at us and think that we all love guns and want a two year old to be able to go to a store and buy a semi-automatic weapon, but it's not true.  All of our countries have problems, but the answers to the problems aren't simple.  Like I said, anybody who wants to buy a gun can find a way to get one, and I don't think that's just true here in the US.

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Quoting Brittney:







OMG ....YES teachers carrying guns!!! You know everyone from other countries seem to know everything about AMERICA, we are all just a bunch of angry killers. Lets not forget AMERICA is one of the most sucessful nations as well, so obviously we are doing something right!








Also if an intruder came into my house and my children were in danger I would have no second thought in shooting them!! So, no you don't have to be a cold killer to make that split second descision.












 









I was commenting about the conversations further up where people had been discussing arming teachers.  Not that it was stated fact. The US is one of the more sucessful nations, but has be surpassed by the European Union in terms of GDP in 2008 and China is set to do even better than that,  as well as the US having some of the highest rates of incarceration & the fact the US ranks along side countries such as South Africa and Colombia in terms of deaths via firearms, where as other countries where firearm laws are stricter, rank far, far below, and I am talking on figures based on population % not actual numbers of deaths.






From your comment about an intruder coming into your home, I would assume that you have been in said postion and therefore can comment exactly how you would react, and the fact that you are well trained enough to deal with said traumatic situation. I apologise, as I  did not know.  Most human beings who have never murdered another human being will hesitate the first time even under said threat, i.e. issue a warning purhaps for the intruder to put their gun down... that sort of hesitation. However, most firearms deaths occur outside the home so doesn't fully support your argument to have the right to keep a gun in your home, but as you said I'm from a different country and obviously don't know anything about it... I am bowing out of the converstation now as the OP originally asked for it to remain a nice, and as the thread is delving into the realms of xenophobia I know where my comments aren't welcome ;) . Thanks Brittney.



 



Didn't know I was being mean, just stating my opinions and thoughts. I'll leave and you can stay.



 





 

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Quoting Brittney:







OMG ....YES teachers carrying guns!!! You know everyone from other countries seem to know everything about AMERICA, we are all just a bunch of angry killers. Lets not forget AMERICA is one of the most sucessful nations as well, so obviously we are doing something right!








Also if an intruder came into my house and my children were in danger I would have no second thought in shooting them!! So, no you don't have to be a cold killer to make that split second descision.












 









I was commenting about the conversations further up where people had been discussing arming teachers.  Not that it was stated fact. The US is one of the more sucessful nations, but has be surpassed by the European Union in terms of GDP in 2008 and China is set to do even better than that,  as well as the US having some of the highest rates of incarceration & the fact the US ranks along side countries such as South Africa and Colombia in terms of deaths via firearms, where as other countries where firearm laws are stricter, rank far, far below, and I am talking on figures based on population % not actual numbers of deaths.






From your comment about an intruder coming into your home, I would assume that you have been in said postion and therefore can comment exactly how you would react, and the fact that you are well trained enough to deal with said traumatic situation. I apologise, as I  did not know.  Most human beings who have never murdered another human being will hesitate the first time even under said threat, i.e. issue a warning purhaps for the intruder to put their gun down... that sort of hesitation. However, most firearms deaths occur outside the home so doesn't fully support your argument to have the right to keep a gun in your home, but as you said I'm from a different country and obviously don't know anything about it... I am bowing out of the converstation now as the OP originally asked for it to remain a nice, and as the thread is delving into the realms of xenophobia I know where my comments aren't welcome ;) . Thanks Brittney.



 



Didn't know I was being mean, just stating my opinions and thoughts. I'll leave and you can stay.



 





 

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Quoting Brittney:






Quoting Morag:

Guns serve their purpose. Don't get me wrong. I don't think they should be outlawed. I just think that have guns so easily accessible (like lying on top of cupboards, in shoe boxes) etc, is a very irresponsible way of handling an instrument that kills people. To drive a car for instance, you need a license, which you need to train for. They are expensive and they need to be regularly tax and inspected. The laws are very strict on driving a car under the influence of drugs/drink, if you commit a crime with a car you need more training, loose your license, go to jail... because at the end of the day a car is nothing more than a weapon that kills if used irresponsibly by maniacs. So why are the same laws not applied to guns in the US? I think the reason why people from other countries think that the US has the most outrageous laws concerning guns is because people on the outside often see problems where people close to the problem don't. I mean even the thought about teachers carrying guns... omg thats just an awful thing for kids to grow up in an environment so steeped in fear and violence.

I am sure anyone will agree.. having a weapon to protect yourself is one thing, but to protect yourself against an equally armed person, who is of sufficient mental disposition to break into a strangers house, and attack them isn't as easy as just owning a gun, you are going to need to kill them or at least injure them severely. Most people are going to struggle with that, that second of flinching against someone whos probably killed before or has no conscience... well it might be the split second where all the guns in the world won't help you. Even soldiers struggle with this concept... Killing a person isn't easy.

Criminals will always find guns, fact, but if guns are just lying about peoples houses, a simple robbery will put a weapon in the hands of a person who is not responsible or mentally sane enough to have a weapon. And violence will always beget violence.






OMG ....YES teachers carrying guns!!! You know everyone from other countries seem to know everything about AMERICA, we are all just a bunch of angry killers. Lets not forget AMERICA is one of the most sucessful nations as well, so obviously we are doing something right!






Also if an intruder came into my house and my children were in danger I would have no second thought in shooting them!! So, no you don't have to be a cold killer to make that split second descision.









 ok, I know ppl are about to get in an uproar over me saying this, but i have to. I think this statement: " Lets not forget AMERICA is one of the most sucessful nations as well, so obviously we are doing something right!" used to be true, but not now... i'm hoping it becomes true again, but right now we are not the best. We have people living in cities made of tents, people that cannot afford to feed their children. I love America and pray to God that things are fixed. Among these are the violence issues in the nation that we are speaking of.





 

Morag - posted on 04/03/2009

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OMG ....YES teachers carrying guns!!! You know everyone from other countries seem to know everything about AMERICA, we are all just a bunch of angry killers. Lets not forget AMERICA is one of the most sucessful nations as well, so obviously we are doing something right!






Also if an intruder came into my house and my children were in danger I would have no second thought in shooting them!! So, no you don't have to be a cold killer to make that split second descision.









 





I was commenting about the conversations further up where people had been discussing arming teachers.  Not that it was stated fact. The US is one of the more sucessful nations, but has be surpassed by the European Union in terms of GDP in 2008 and China is set to do even better than that,  as well as the US having some of the highest rates of incarceration & the fact the US ranks along side countries such as South Africa and Colombia in terms of deaths via firearms, where as other countries where firearm laws are stricter, rank far, far below, and I am talking on figures based on population % not actual numbers of deaths.



From your comment about an intruder coming into your home, I would assume that you have been in said postion and therefore can comment exactly how you would react, and the fact that you are well trained enough to deal with said traumatic situation. I apologise, as I  did not know.  Most human beings who have never murdered another human being will hesitate the first time even under said threat, i.e. issue a warning purhaps for the intruder to put their gun down... that sort of hesitation. However, most firearms deaths occur outside the home so doesn't fully support your argument to have the right to keep a gun in your home, but as you said I'm from a different country and obviously don't know anything about it... I am bowing out of the converstation now as the OP originally asked for it to remain a nice, and as the thread is delving into the realms of xenophobia I know where my comments aren't welcome ;) . Thanks Brittney.



 

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