anti vaccines!!

Amber - posted on 03/11/2009 ( 172 moms have responded )

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just looking for a good conversation and thought this was a good subject....i stopped vaccinating my son when he was a year old, and it started out because our medicaid expired and we were waiting for my husbands insurance to kick in....he got so behind i just decided to stop doing them for fear of doing too many at one time. He is healthier in his 2nd year of life than he was in the first year.....

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Amber - posted on 03/18/2009

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like i said...any chiropractor and most pediatricians will tell you where you can get the exemption forms or you can search your states requerements and then look at the bottom of the page and there's an option for exemption....

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Actually, Come to think of it......that is not true...I do know of some students who are not vaccinated that we continue to provide services for and allow to remain in our school. I take that back. I wonder how that works with the requirements, etc.



 



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FYI, I teach as well and many states require vaccines for public schools and if you do not vaccinate your child they can refuse them entry into the school. I don't think they would be obligated to provide instruction at home as the child's educational needs could be met in the school environment. The nurse checks all of our student's records meticulously and she will not allow a child to remain in the building who has not completed the required vaccines.



 



Also, many doctors will alter the vaccine schedule and work with you to provide your child with less vaccines at a time, spreading them out. They will just have you come in more frequently.



 



Lastly, there have been more and more recurrences of illnesses that have previously been considered close to wiped out as a result of more and more parents, fearful of autism, not vacinnating their children. Autism is a real fear, but moreso is the fear of your child DYING of the measles, whooping cough, hepatitis, polio, etc. Most doctors agree that preservatives previously used may have contributed to the rise in autism numbers, but they have been eliminated from most vaccines.



 



Best of luck.

Aimee - posted on 03/18/2009

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Quoting Mandy:

i am against vaccines too. my brought out some interesting research about why they are not always good. my husband wants our daughter to get them but i dont know.


I am also against them!!! i was wondering if you could share ur information of what you found about vaccinations with me

Aimee - posted on 03/18/2009

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My husband and I Both decided not to give our daughter vaccinations Due to on his side of the family there is 2 Children that were perfectly healthy at birth and then after they had there shots at young age they went down heal from there , they both are in wheel chairs and the doctors even said it was due to the shots!!!! And i did research in to the Vaccines and they have traces of Mercury in them!!!! N when i told my husband that we both said no! We turned to natural ways of healing and health, Our daughter is a very healthy child since day one! ( i know there will people that disagree with me but every one is free to say there side of the stories and opinions)

Morag - posted on 03/18/2009

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I have a friend who has widely and extensively researched this subject and decided that he did not want to vaccinate her child. She lives in a tiny village on the IOW in the UK so its not like her LO is exposed to many things like polio. I live 2 miles of the north coast of Africa, my LO will be attending school with children who have come from countries where TB, Polio etc are rife and they haven't been vaccinated. So I'd be a complete idiot to not vaccinate my child as the risk is very real for us. Saying that, we are not offered several vaccinations on our health system. Meningitis, Rota Virus and Chicken Pox. I desperately wanted my LO to be vaccinated for meningitis and rota virus as my eldest had both of these at the same time when she was 9 months old and nearly died (The vaccines were not available 10 years ago) so its a very real and painful thing for me to know that my youngest is unprotected. We can get them done privately, but it was a cost of 75euros per shot and 3 shots per course. At the time, I'd lost my job for being pregnant so we couldn't afford that. Now we can as I'm working again, but you can only have rota virus done until 6 months, so now its too late. :(

It everyones individual decision on whether they vaccinate their child, but it should be researched and your living/traveling circumstances evaluated also to be aware of the current statistics for registered infections of the diseases in your area. You'd also need to keep up to date with this on a regular (if not monthly basis) encase you need to vaccinate if an epidemic came about. I'm far to lazy for that, I'd rather vaccinate and forget about it. ;) As of yet I haven't really found anything to say for definite vaccinations are dangerous to my child. But my eldest didn't have her MMR as at the time the research concerning Autism/bowel disease had just come about and hadn't been dis-proven yet. As I have bowel disease, my daughter was predisposed to the disease so I discussed it with my consultant and we put it on hold, until further evidence was produced. As long as the vaccinated level remains above 80% of the population, the disease will remain in control but not every one is considered vaccinated (newborns for example, people allergic or sensitive to ingredients in the vaccinations and people with immune problems) these will make up the other 20%.

There is some level of civil responsibility involved in vaccinating your child, but on the same insistence many people make decisions involving their kids that other parents would consider unsavory. The best way to deal with that is to either say each to their own, or if you feel strongly enough, provide evidence to sway them in your direction.

Brandi - posted on 03/18/2009

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Has anyone considered the social ramifications of not having your children vaccinated? I believe in the vaccines themselves and do get my son and daughter their shots at the appropriate times. However, I read quite a few articles on the subject before making my decision, and the other factor to consider is purely social. There have been many cases where the parents of vaccinated and non-vaccinated children don't see eye-to-eye on the subject and where one group will not allow their children to play with kids from the other group. I'm not saying that you should have your kids vaccinated soully for this reason, but if you are on the fence, it might be something to consider to help you make the decision.

Sabrina - posted on 03/18/2009

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I don't understand how you can link not being vaccinated with the development of your child. My son is only 3 1/2 months but he has been getting his shots and he is very developed for his age. I would like to see how you figured out that your kid is smarter now that your child isn't being vaccinated. I am having my son get his shots because say he gets sick from a disease even though he got the shot for it, think how much worse it would be if he didn't have the shot for it. I'm not trying to sound like your wrong in your decision, its yours and its your child, but think about all the other children who dont get vaccinated who get sick then go around other kids who aren't vaccinated, your just helping spread the disease. Just my opinion, don't take it personally.

Mandy - posted on 03/18/2009

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i did get my daughter vaccinated once and she got a horrible rash and was sick for about 3 weeks. i didnt vaccinate again and she is almost 2 and were working on potty training and she can count and do her abc's and listens and behaves better than anyone i know. i also personally know people who have had bad reactions from vaccines and dr who say its not good so i say to those and my self to just go with your gut instincts

Mandy - posted on 03/18/2009

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i am against vaccines too. my brought out some interesting research about why they are not always good. my husband wants our daughter to get them but i dont know.

Amber - posted on 03/18/2009

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ok ladies...you can resort to name calling and using the term selfish loosely...but let me say one more thing in my defense before i leave this message board....this is not a decision i made with MYSELF in mind so i don't understand how it's selfish....this whole topic is a catch 22...you're going to get sick from the vaccines or you're going to get sick without them....you guys can think what you want about me, but i only made this decision because i felt it was best for my little boy....i love him so much, and i feel this is the best for him....i'm not the only person that doesn't vaccinate my child and i don't think i deserve to be hounded and attacked for it...like i said before to each her own...i'm not sitting here hounding anybody who vaccinates their child...thanks



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Amber - posted on 03/18/2009

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I dont know about that. they do have them for a reason and if they were really bad for our children would they call child services on you for not getting them done? That is something they  do in my state, and I think you will find once he begins school or day care he gets a lot more sick a lot more often.

Naomi - posted on 03/18/2009

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don't be so stupid a two month old cannot be vaccinated for certain things till they r six months if ur kid is near my kid and gave them some thing that is vaccinated for but only when they reach six months of age and they get sick or die i would mess u up it is so selfish i don't think u have researched this enough i have read all the other posts and u seem miss informed and vaccines are mixed like the mmr and others.
i agree with hemechick, valerie, jasmine!

Rachael - posted on 03/17/2009

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Quoting Amber:

thank you catherine!!! bradley is 2 1/2 and excelled so quickly it seems, once we stopped vaccinating him and doing the whole organic thing. he counts to 15, knows all shapes and colors, and can even distinguish between a hexagon and octagon! sorry to brag, but i'm also just trying to prove a point. and bradleyis also learning how to spell...and i really think that all those chemicals and endless amounts of crap in shots and other medicines has some sort of role in the development of your child!!



My daughter is also 2 1/2 and She is also very smart. She can count to 19 also knows shape's and colors and also knows how to spell her name and about 2-3 other complete small words..(she attempts some others but sometimes gets her letter mixed up). She can draw her shapes by me just saying draw a triangle for example. She is completely potty trained which one day she just said i wanna go potty and from there on she was potty trained. She can sing her ABC's She can sing almost an entire song without the song being on, and she has been vaccinated since she was born without missing one vaccine, So I really don't think what's in the vaccine has anything to do with it. I also think that if a 2 year old can not do these thinds it does not mean that they are slower than my child I think when it comes to babies and toddlers they all go at their own pace. Regardless of weather or not they were vaccinated

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Quoting Amber:

thank you catherine!!! bradley is 2 1/2 and excelled so quickly it seems, once we stopped vaccinating him and doing the whole organic thing. he counts to 15, knows all shapes and colors, and can even distinguish between a hexagon and octagon! sorry to brag, but i'm also just trying to prove a point. and bradleyis also learning how to spell...and i really think that all those chemicals and endless amounts of crap in shots and other medicines has some sort of role in the development of your child!!



Most of the "chemicals" in vaccinations are found in a typical child's environment multiplied by millions.  These terms are thrown out by mis-informed people that are trying to convince you not to protect your child. 

Rebecca - posted on 03/17/2009

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Quoting Valerie:

As for the link between autism and vaccines, it was only made in one study that only included between 10 and 20 people. There are lists of studies performed since then involving thousands that have shown there is no link between autism and vaccines. The only person to get a settlement out of all the cases did not get autism but autism like symptoms, due to a rare pre existing condition. Not only that but her symptoms would be worse exponentially if she had gotten the actual disease.




I think it was 13... and to date 10 of the authors have retracted their opinion and now say that the research was incorrect. 

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Ok guys...I'm new to this Circle of Moms thing, but I just can't believe what I'm seeing all of you post...I currently work for the Texas Department of State Health Services, and we are seeing an alarming increasing trend in diseases that were supposed to be "nonexistent in these days" (for lack of a better term).  Children are dying from meningitis in our area from Haemopholus influenza (Hib), because parents have quit vaccinating their children!!!  Now, if you choose not to vaccinate for the yearly flu, that's one thing.  But PEOPLE, get your kids vaccinated!  If you would like statistics in our area, I'll be happy to get them to you.  Just contact me :)

Michelle - posted on 03/17/2009

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Quoting Amber:

thank you catherine!!! bradley is 2 1/2 and excelled so quickly it seems, once we stopped vaccinating him and doing the whole organic thing. he counts to 15, knows all shapes and colors, and can even distinguish between a hexagon and octagon! sorry to brag, but i'm also just trying to prove a point. and bradleyis also learning how to spell...and i really think that all those chemicals and endless amounts of crap in shots and other medicines has some sort of role in the development of your child!!



I'm sorry but for me you still have not proved the health factor for me.  At 20 months our son was not talking, could not count or tell you any colors.  Before his 3rd birthday he can now count to 20, very clearly tell me the colors of things, say his ABC's.  Make a bautiful bed, is just about fully potty trained, has had no msjor illness in our care. He knows his lullyby. many praise and worship sons, can play open string violin.  He can write his name.  Set the table (properly).  My list can go on if I wanted it to.  So for a child to learn all this in a matter  of 10 months?  He is doing somethings that a 4 year old has trouble with!  I want more physical proof, please b/c right now I just see chance reasoning.  If I were to stop their shot's I want to have the solid physical proof that I am doing what is best for my sons.  Not just b/c some people have seen their children become 'smarter' after they were taken off.  Please help me understand what is best.



 

Rachael - posted on 03/16/2009

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If your medicaid expired you could have just paid out of pocket and I understand some people just can't afford it but if it helps your child stay healthy. It's way worth it to find a way. Don't take me wrong this is just my opinion. But if you say he's doing better without them maybe it's best for you and him. I personally believe it's important.Ex: There was A teen who died not long ago from the Flu.. I find it better not to take chances. So my Children will always get vaccinated.

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I have yet to see any conclusive evidence that vaccines are harmful.  I have, however, seen that they can be very beneficial, in that they prevent a child from getting a potentially life-threatening illness if it were ever to come into contact with it.  The chicken pox vaccine is the only one I feel is dicey-it has not been in production for as long, and chicken pox itself is not life-threatening, though it is certainly uncomfortable.  Just as no one has yet proved that vaccines cause autism, no one has proven that the reason these non-vaccinated children who are healthy and/or excelling in development are doing so because they didn't have vaccinations.  I was a very accelerated child, and I had all of my vaccines as a child.  My nephew is developing very quickly as well, and he has had all of his vaccines to date-as have many other children I know who seem to be ahead of the learning curve.  You cannot take how fast/slow a child develops and connect it to vaccines, because they are so many other factors that influence this-genetics, the amount of time parents and other adults spend with the child, other chemicals that the child is exposed to, etc.  We as parents cannot make that separation, and one child (or even several in the same family) does not qualify us to determine that not having the vaccine caused the children's minds to develop more quickly-extensive studies with many participants and controlled situations need to be done in order to measure that, and those sorts of studies are terribly difficult to do with something like vaccines, because there are so many other factors in how a child develops and thrives. 



One final thought-to whomever suggested that vaccines are not approved by the FDA: that statement is false.  Visit the CDC and FDA websites and look at their information on vaccines, and you will see that vaccines are indeed evaluated by both organizations. 



I would not call anyone who does not vaccinate their children irresponsible or any other critcal term, but I do think that it's dangerous not to have children vaccinated at least for the life-threatening illnesses that we currently have vaccines for.  I personally will have my son vaccinated.  I feel that the benefits for him much outweigh the risks, and if something such as what happened in Japan with the return of whooping cough happens here, I want him to be protected.

Christie L - posted on 03/16/2009

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YOU think the risks outweight the benefits?  What medical school did you go to?  When I was pregnant with my son (now 15 months old) Vaccines and Autism/Asbergers was the big controvercial topic in the media.  I did what every first time worry wart mother does, and researched....extensively.....  There have been NO scientific links between the two.  As a mother, I CANNOT fathom my child getting sick, even just with the chicken pox, if it can be prevented.  My ultimately conclusion was that even if there is a chance He could get (God forbid) autism, I would take that over a child who died from a disease that I could've prevented. FYI: hundreds of children every year die of the flu. 

Kaitlin - posted on 03/16/2009

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I think vaccinating is good. I work at a doctors office and our shots are state supplied for all children 18 and under so you dont pay anything. getting the chicken pox vaccine is worth it because if you get it as a adult it is alot worse. my cousin ended up in the with them in is throat.

Kate CP - posted on 03/16/2009

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Well, I just gotta add my two cents! ;)

First, kids actually have really strong immune systems (generally speaking) which is why cuts, bruises, and often simple diseases (head colds, etc) pass so quickly for them. Second, some kids just CANNOT have vaccines because they are allergic to the preservatives or they've had adverse reactions to a vaccine in the past. Third, it is NOT a requirement (unless you send your child to a private school or day care facility) that your child be vaccinated. There are many different ways one can "opt out" for lack of a better term of vaccines. Fourth, as a person with a severely compromised immune system I think I can speak for most of the other people in my situation when I say that if a person even looks a little sick or has the sniffles I DON'T GO ANYWHERE NEAR THEM. So, if a kid is looking a little green around the gills and starts over toward me or my daughter I just high tail it out of there. I wouldn't argue that it's a parent's job to ensure their child is vaccinated so I don't get sick. However, it is a parent's job to ensure that their child isn't infecting every person and their cousin when they're sick. Fourth (whew, long list here), there are so many things in every day items that we as humans shouldn't go anywhere near. Sodium Lauryl Sulfate is one of them and it's in at least one product every person on this message board uses. I can almost guarantee that-note I said ALMOST, thankyouverymuch. My point is that environmental toxins have several sources, not just what we eat or inject into ourselves. The lotions, soaps, detergents, hair color, toothpaste...everything we use has something in it that mother nature probably didn't intend for us to have.

Personally, I vaccinate my daughter. I wish I didn't have to do the stupid chicken pox vaccine, but she attends private school so I have to adhere to their vaccine guidelines. And yes, I really like the school and I don't want to pull her out of the school so she shall continue to go there and receive the stupid vaccine. She's 3 years old and has a huge vocabulary, has colored with crayons, pencils, and paints since she was 6 months old. She knows her colors, can count upwards of 20, says please and thank you without being prompted. She's kind, empathetic, and generous with others. So, I don't think the vaccines really influence development much for most kids.
How do I feel about parents who don't vaccinate? I'm on the fence, really. As an imuno-compromised patient my initial thought is "Are you NUTS?!" but as a mom who uses home remedies (not necessarily homeopathic) and tries to go as organic as possible my second reaction is "Well, I kinda see your point." I think the whole idea that vaccines cause autism is just silly. The studies that showed a link between autism and vaccines were VERY flawed. For every study out there that says mercury causes autism there is another study that says it doesn't. Mark Twayne said it best, ladies: There a lies; damn lies; and then there are statistics. Moms should go with their gut when it comes to the health and wellbeing of their kids. If that means you don't vaccinate, bully for you. If you DO vaccinate that means I, personally, could probably hang around your family without worrying about dying. But that is my personal instance.

And that, folks, is my two cents. :)

Amber - posted on 03/16/2009

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thank you catherine!!! bradley is 2 1/2 and excelled so quickly it seems, once we stopped vaccinating him and doing the whole organic thing. he counts to 15, knows all shapes and colors, and can even distinguish between a hexagon and octagon! sorry to brag, but i'm also just trying to prove a point. and bradleyis also learning how to spell...and i really think that all those chemicals and endless amounts of crap in shots and other medicines has some sort of role in the development of your child!!

Catherine - posted on 03/16/2009

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I don't vaccinate. I did two years of research and the things that the public doesn't know. My daughter will be 2 in may we practice holistic, homepathic health care and she lives an organic holistic lifestyle. She see's her dr for reg. checkups as well as seeing a homeopathic dr for common vitamin and herb treatments if needed. She has one two ear infections her whole life. She has the intellegency of a 4 year old right now. She counts to 25, knows her colors, reads books. She listens and behaves great and has had no health issues at all none of that asthma, add and shit that is infecting our world today. There are risks to that stuff but many people just listen to what we are told and not that I am against them but how they are made, the amount administered to suck young infants before their immune system is even developed is showing more and more problems. Read Evidence of Harm and what the Dr may not tell you about vaccines. The info is astonishing. To each their own but there is much info out there that many people have no idea about.

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Remember that the govt is biased, and the vaccine companies are one of the wealthiest companies in the US.



and also remember alot of doctors are just salesmen for these large pharmaceutical companies!! nobody knows enough about vaccines in general, but i know enough to make an informed decision!!



 

Michelle - posted on 03/16/2009

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All I know is we adopted our son at 20 months. He was up to date on hiss shots but was always sick and on anti biotics. We brought him home, fed him right, gave him structure, and kept him on his shots. Since last Nov. he has had only 1 cold and 1 ear infection that needed meds for. He is healthier now than he was a yr ago. The difference? Upbring. My point...some react well, others don't. That's why it's so great to be a US citizen. It is up to the parent. To each her own.

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To continue, I have not vaccinated my daughter, as I have done much research on the topic. The chemicals that are put into vaccines are not supposed to be put into adult bodies, let alone childrens weak immune system. It's awful that the govt pushes for putting stuff in the body and bypass the immune system and put it directly in the blood stream.

And regarding the studies regarding Autism, there is no proof either way. The govt says that studies show no link, but scientists do not know enough about Autism or the brain to be sure about this. I know that most parents that have children with autism blame the vaccinations, although some do not. Many people say that it's environmental, but how do you explain autism when it's one person in a family of nine children, and the one that has autism has been vaccinated, and all of the children younger than him, that have not been vaccinated don't have it. It is an environmental thing when there is a lot of mercury in the environment. But where I live, that is not the case.

Also, one thing that has been discovered in children with autism, is that there has been excessive amounts of mercury found in thier bloodstream. Once that chemical was removed, many children with autism, have made significant strides to do much better.

Remember that the govt is biased, and the vaccine companies are one of the wealthiest companies in the US.

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If anybody is in the midwest area this saturday, there is a vaccine awareness event in Davenport IA. (March 21) Being there will be some break through studies that have been researched by private parties.

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My son has had all of his vaccinations since he was born. I greatly value our doctor's opinion and he too believes that is best.  From my viewpoint now, I would have wanted  MY parents to get me the shots as a precaution.  Even if certain things are benign, I don't want them to happen knowing I could have prevented it.  For chicken pox, I've never had them and even if it does only leave a scar, it's probably not the best experience. There are many sources that do not support vaccines but there are also many sources out there that do. I don't think what you're doing is selfish just a different perspective on the matter.

Amber - posted on 03/16/2009

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actually carmel, my son eats organic...i eat fish but my son does not, and the only concern with mercury in fish, is the big fish carrying large amounts of it. my son does not eat jello or packaged meals, he eats nothing but home cooked meals that i prepare myself...he may not always eat this way, but as with the vaccines, this is my decision(which was not made with "me" in mind, it was for "him" so i don't believe it to be selfish). and in response to serious illnesses...my son is vaccinated against polio(even though 80% of the cases reported in history were benign) and hepatitis, and tetanus. i do also believe that it's ridiculous to vaccinate against chicken pox. we all got it as kids and it did nothing but leave a scar or two...big deal. thanks for everyone's input, i truly do appreciate it(other than the insults)!!



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i personally listen to what the drs say. my son was severely sick at 2 wks of age with bacterial meningitis and the drs saved his life. he will need to get the vaccinations for meningicocol meningitis. i had no problems when they told me they suggest he gets the vaccination as the last thing i would want him to get is that. we almost lost him once and i'm not about to take any chances of losing him again. i personally dont know anyone that hasnt been vaccinated so i cant really say how it affects them. all i've known my whole life is to vaccinate and i will be doing the same thing for my sons. it's true what a lot of the moms are saying the reason we dont hear of the serious diseases is because we have been vaccinating against them for so many yrs. my sons pediatrician was actually telling us that a study was done where they took the same amount of kids from each side (vaccinated and not) and the autism rate was exactly the same. everyone has their own opinions on this topic and from what i have seen of it before it will get pretty heated. people do what they feel is right for their children, i happen to feel that vaccinating is right for mine but others may not feel the same. It's everyone's own decision

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I am surprised that no one has mentioned The Vaccine Book by Dr. Sears. It doesn't take a stand either way, but goes through each vaccine and talks about what's in them and how to avoid the few companies that still use mercury, etc. It also has an alternative schedule for anyone who doesn't want so many shots at once.



I feel that to a point it is our duty to our society to get our children some vaccines. Getting your child vaccinated does not always prevent the disease, since vaccine effectiveness is not predictable in everyone. Instead, it is vaccinating the whole population that eliminates our risk of disease as a whole.



There is a lot more research that needs to go in to how vaccines are spaced and creating weight requrements instead of age requirements. My son was a preemie and they wanted to give him his first shots (after hep B upon hospital release) when he was 5lbs. Unfortunately I let them, but since then I have spaced our appointments so that he got some time to grow and we are about to get his 6 months done now that he is 7.5.



In addition, I do think that we need to be careful about the vaccines that are developed. I think that Chicken Pox is silly to vaccinate for, even though in some cases it is really serious. They are trying to come up with a vaccine for RSV and even though that would be great for high risk babies (like my own) I don't know if the risks of the vaccination outweigh the benefits. However, I do think that everyone needs to get a vaccine for diseases that put our population at risk (like polio).



Sometimes our scientists and doctors get so wrapped up in whether they can do something that they lose sight of whether or not it is the right thing to do. I hope in the near future they take a hard look at each vaccine, weigh the risks verses benefits (how many children die each year or are hospitalized, what's the chance that something could go wrong), and then really research appropriate weight, age, developmental level, and side effect risk.

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I chose to only get select vaccines for my son. I did a lot of research about them and talked to my son's health care provider. The vaccinations that have been around for 10 years or longer, were the easiest to research. I also researched the things these vaccines were meant to prevent. If I felt that if the illness risks outweighed the vaccine risks then I got them. When you discover how these vac's are created, you'll think twice about sticking needles into your child. I'm not 100% against or for them. I think it's a personal choice. But I think that it has to be an informed one. The medical community is going to push vaccines and use a mother's fear to do it because it makes them money. Always find out exactly where your information is coming from. My doctor gave me papers about vaccines but they were all pro because that's what they want you to think. I just think everyone should be informed and careful.

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Quoting Amber:

"our bodies are naturally designed to build immunities to such viruses"


When everything was au natural, this statement is true. We are upon a pandemic because of antibiotic overuse, general drug overuse - if these drugs had never been introduced, I would agree that we can fight off whatever comes our way, but the truth is we can't. The strains of disease that we vaccinate against are not that 'tough' - however when introduced into the west they strengthen. The measels/pox/whooping cough (or whatever disease) will first infect those that have not been vaccinated, second they will mutate into a stronger form, then last infect those that have been vaccinated. If everyone was vaccinated, we would have sufficient antibodies to fight off the infection and it would not have the opportunity to mutate.



You discuss how awful the ingredients of the vaccines are. Guaranteed, the 1ml of vaccine 4 times a year is the least of your worries. You ever feed your kid jello? Made of cow hooves. How about use shampoo? Does it contain glycols? Ya - that is toxic to kids under age 10. Do you feed them packaged foods? They are 1000 times more toxic than all vaccines combined and given in one day. Mercury is a concern? Better stop eating fish - contains 20 times more mercury in evey serving than that single vaccine. So do amalgam tooth fillings.



I know I can't change anyone's mind about vaccination; everyone is pretty decided one way or the other. I just think its very bad to not vaccinate, and the evidence supports this.

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its people like you who aid the spread of disease and put everyone elses children at risk, not just your own.

Kathryn - posted on 03/16/2009

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its people like you who aid the spread of disease and put everyone elses children at risk, not just your own.

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Google your states revised code. In ohio it says that vaccinations are manditory but if you read farther down they still go to school if you choose not to vacinate due to religious or other reasons.

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Valerie, i think you've put your point across very well and i agree! My son is 8 and he's had all the vaccines that he's supposed to have had....i admit i don't know all the ingredients of said vaccinations but i do know why he needs them and i have seen the effect of many of the diseases the vaccines should help protect him from! Given the fact that i have NEVER seen or heard (apart from the autism scare) effects from these vaccinations even close to what could happen if he was affected by these diseases. Everyone i know in my life has been vaccinated at some point in their lives so there are generations who have not adversely been affected! Moreover what happens not just to people more succeptible to infections, but also the future generations....... the more we don't vaccinate, the more likely these diseases are to resurrect.........

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our bodies are naturally designed to build immunities to such viruses!! i did take this into consideration when i decided after 6 months of research to not vaccinate my child anymore....our pediatrician even stands behind us 100% on our decision. and i do respect your opinion, what i don't respect is the way you present it. and i know i started this conversation but i wasn't asking for people to criticize me on my decision. i don't do it to you...more power to you for vaccinating your child i hope they live a long healthy life as well...and i also hope YOU don't regret the decision you've made

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You cannot get mad at the fact people have opinions. You started the conversation remember. If you didn't want to hear peoples opinions on it you shouldn't have posted. I don't know how much experience you have using the internet but the first thing you should have learned is that you cannot believe everything you read and that is a fact. I care about my childs health this is why I choose to vaccinate. FYI, vaccines are made of the virus themselves so of course they wouldn't be approved by the FDA if what your saying is true. It trains the body to fight off infections if they were ever put at risk but obviously you chose not to consider this as a factor when making your decision. I hope your child lives a long healthy life and that you don't end up regreting your decision.

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don't throw names like "selfish" at me for doing what i feel is right..i respect your opinion but that sentece could have been left out of that reply. no disrespect to you either, but have you researched the vaccines thoroughly and read the detailed list of ingridients on the CDC's website.....?? just wondering...if you had you may not be sitting here calling me selfish...i don't tell you it's selfish for putting things in your childs body that haven't even been approved let alone deemed safe by the FDA!!

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I have to be honest. I think that's very selfish. You might as well push him in front of a speeding truck because thats how dangerous not getting vaccinated is. Not only are you harming him but the children who come in contact with him. No disrespect, this is only my opinion.

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My point was the the number of shots administered has increased but the actual ingredients (antegens) have actually decreased. So its not the number of vaccines, but the number of physical shots. Thus logically it's not whats in the shots that causes autism. Perhaps getting shots is what causes autism, maybe its being to close to cell phones, maybe its watching TV. The problem is WE DON'T KNOW WHAT CAUSES AUTISM. So taking your logic we should look at all activities that have a correlation with autism and avoid them all. But unlike any other activity that may have a high correlation with autism, none have had the extensive studies showing how vaccines do not cause autism.



My point about travel is not only to take precautions when you travel but also to point out that measels is not so far away as we think. Unless you check everyone you pass in the grocery store to see if they've traveled to other countries and check to see if they're carriers of diseases you just don't know what you're kid is coming into contact with.



It is an insult to parents who do vaccinate their kids to be told they are injecting their children with poisons, or to compare what they're doing with bleeding the infection out of someone using leeches. I'm sorry that I said those who don't immunize are irresponsible, that was a harsh word to use. I just feel strongly about this subject.



If you choose not to immunize your child....fine. But do not act like those of us who are do not research or care about our children. We all are making the choices we do based on what we feel is best for our children. Keep that in mind.

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Quoting Cayti:



I just decided a year ago to stop giving my kids vaccines. My son had them up until he was 2 years and my daughter only got her first 2 sets at 2 & 4 months. My biggest reason was the whole Autism epidemic! My kids have awesome personalities and are such happy kids...I'd hate for all of that to disappear from a shot that really wasn't needed!






my point exactly, but even if there weren't an autism epidemic, i think parents still need to research what they put into their childs body. the ingridients alone will make you feel sick to your stomach



 

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I just decided a year ago to stop giving my kids vaccines. My son had them up until he was 2 years and my daughter only got her first 2 sets at 2 & 4 months. My biggest reason was the whole Autism epidemic! My kids have awesome personalities and are such happy kids...I'd hate for all of that to disappear from a shot that really wasn't needed!

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A vaccine does not make your body "dependent on some form of medication to fight off infection."  A vaccine stimulates your body's immune system to create an immune response to a virus and create antibodies. When you are actually exposed to a virus your body recognizes this and already has antibodies to fight off the virus faster than your body trying to figure out which antibody will destroy the virus.  If your son gets a bacterial infection will you not give him antibiotics, just wait until his body fights the infection?



 



well it really depends on what type of infection it is...i'm not against anti-biotics but i'm also not going to just give them to him everytime he has an ear infection or something of that sort because your body builds a tolerance to those things, and if something were seriously wrong with him i would want to anti-biotics to work effectively in getting my son well...and what i wrote about his body becoming dependent was worded wrongly...to put it in a nutshell i would rather his immune system be stimulated naturally rather than by some shot that we really don't know as much about as you think





 

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