H1N1+... EU Parliament investigates possible "pandemic scandal"!

Julianne - posted on 11/28/2010

hahaha no biggy...maybe people do use it for that??? don't know..

Jackie - posted on 11/28/2010

oh my dirty mind thought it meant go fuck yourself... my bad

Julianne - posted on 11/28/2010

good for you?

Jackie - posted on 11/28/2010

GFY?! real mature, julianne... real mature.

Julianne - posted on 11/28/2010

lol, sure..it goes both ways, you dont need to tell me that, you think i didn't research into both sides pro and con before making a decision??? I didnt just look up online vaccine=bad and get 3 or 4 diffrent sites then decide that it was poison because the government was trying to kill off the population or something like that....I did actual research into it to come to my decision. Not just say i want to be against this so lets see what i can digg up. Actually i did highly consider vaccines and even got the h1n1 last year..Which right after i got it fell extremely ill. You cant go into things with an end decision already and expect to come out learning something new. When you let personal judgment and bias into your eyes before you see the evidence, obviously your going to go with your predetermined conclusion regardless. Evidence is only as valid as the eyes that see it.

Rosie - posted on 11/28/2010

kindof like andrew wakefield, huh?

Julianne - posted on 11/27/2010

food for thought, there the majority IN AMERICA there are other countries that dont vaccinate the population. Now because someone has a different opinion than you they think the government is out to get them....thats fucking ridiculous.haha they think outside the box so they suffer from paranoid delusions... ACTUALLY WHAT WAS IMPLIED is there is not enough time and effort going into MAKING these vaccines and they contain POISON the government RUSHED it into the field and DOCTORS only preach what they were told by the CREATOR of the vaccine who are BIAS because they made it and dont STUDY it thoroughly. they gather the information they need and that is enough because they dont get paid enough ANYONE who debates the vaccine apparently is crazy.......gfy

Jackie - posted on 11/27/2010

and you may not have come out and said " out to get me" but you have been implying it over and over again.

Jackie - posted on 11/27/2010

food for thought.... non-vac's are the minority, not the majority. There is a reason for that. It seems that you're trying to say that people who do vaccinate are uneducated and let the government blindly tell us what to do. think again.

Julianne - posted on 11/27/2010

i didn't say anyone was "out to get me" but people are bias about things and leave out information based on opinions they already made. Yea that includes government officials....they are human

Julianne - posted on 11/27/2010

bahahahahaa that is so funny. you honestly think that it doesnt matter what people do and dont eat? you actually think a child that is fed processed garbage is equally healthy enough to fight off diseases? Seriously....check with your doctor.....any nutritionist would tell you people who eat health food compared to people who eat processed food are HEALTHIER! as in less likely to get sick, better metabolism and better immune system....thats why they call it health food.. not JUNK food

Rosie - posted on 11/27/2010

jevonna, once again websites that have a disclaimer on them aren't credible. try again.

Kayleigh - posted on 11/27/2010

I would just like to say that if you read my 2nd to last post I didn't say that the current diseases started decline b/c of people washing their hands... I said that THE BLACK PLAGUE's major decline happened b/c people learned to wash their hands... and other things, and not bathe the whole family in the same water.. etc. there is a MAJOR difference in sanitation when considering that time period. But still there was no vaccine for the plague now was there.

Jackie - posted on 11/27/2010

again... the proof is in the pudding. Doctors and the media are not out to get you. They are not out to poisen us all. If you think your childrens immune systems are superior because you don't feed them processed foods, you're seriously mistaken. And what about all of the other mothers that decide to opt out that aren't as conscience of whats going into their childrens bodies? That's how diseases become epidemics?

Julianne - posted on 11/27/2010

you think pro-vaccine doesnt do the same thing? distort the info in their favor??? believe whatever you want when it comes to media, all i know is that the vaccine is not natural. in any way, i trust the nature of my body before scientists who have been proven in error. If you live healthy you are less likely to get disease and your body cant fight it off as well. I don't need an immune booster, my immune system has nothing wrong with it. why fix whats not broken

Rosie - posted on 11/27/2010

http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2010/0...

distort the graphs all you want. as this link shows.

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abs...

you seriously think that people didn't know how to wash their hands in the 50's, 60's and 70's and even the 80's? better go tell my uncle he got polio cause he didn't wash his hands, and that i didn't get it because i washed my hands, not because i was vaccinated along with the rest of the population. i KNOW my grandmother was cleaner than i could ever dream of being.
i'm very well aware of the ingredients in vaccines. once again every day you take a bigger risk, probably MULTIPLE times a day by taking your child out in a car. around 1335 children died in 2006 as a result of car crashes, 184,000 had injuries from a car crash. why is someone as paranoid as you taking your kid out in a car? about 4,000 toxic chemicals are in the air we breathe, why do you let your kid breathe without a filtering mask? do you let your kid play sports? 775,000 children under 14 go to the emergency room each year for sports related injuries. appx. 50 have died or sustained serious head injury since 1997 from football injuries alone.
fear of vaccines is unfounded, and unrational.

Kayleigh - posted on 11/26/2010

Ingredients in Vaccines



PRESERVATIVES: These are used to stop microbial contamination of

vaccines.



Thimerosal (mercury):

-The most common Organo-Mercury compound used in vaccines, while it is an anti-septic and anti-fungal agent it has been proven to cause severe neurological damage.. as do ALL heavy metals when ingested.

-is a recognized developmental toxin and

suspected immune, kidney, skin and sense organ toxin. Will result in Heavy metal poisoning.



Aluminum:

-A Heavy metal element, in medicine it is a compound used just like organo-mercury... and just as toxic.



Benzethonium chloride:

-a suspected endocrine, skin and sense organ toxin.

-defined as; "a synthetic quaternary ammonium salt. This compound is an odorless white solid; soluble in water. It has surfactant, antiseptic, and anti-infective properties, and it is used as a topical antimicrobial agent in first aid antiseptics. It is also found in cosmetics and toiletries such as mouthwashes (disguised as grapefruit seed extract), anti-itch ointments, and antibacterial moist towelettes. Benzethonium chloride is also used in the food industry as a hard surface disinfectant."



2-phenoxyethanol:

-a suspected developmental and reproductive toxin. It is also chemically similar to antifreeze.

-Defined as; "an organic chemical compound, a glycol ether often used in dermatological products such as skin creams and sunscreen. It is a colorless oily liquid. It is a bactericide (usually used in conjunction with quaternary ammonium compounds), often used in place of sodium azide in biological buffers as 2-phenoxyethanol is less toxic and non-reactive with copper and lead. It is used in many applications such as cosmetics, vaccines, and pharmaceuticals as a preservative."



Phenol:

-a suspected blood, developmental, liver, kidney, neuro, reproductive, respiratory, skin and sense organ toxin.

-Defined as; "also known as carbolic acid, is an organic compound with the chemical formula C6H5OH. It is a white, crystalline solid. This functional group consists of a phenyl, bonded to a hydroxyl (-OH). It is produced on a large scale (about 7 billion kg/year) as a precursor to many materials and useful compounds.[1] It is a mildly acidic compound that requires careful handling."

"Phenol is the preferred chemical for embalming bodies for study because of its ability to preserve tissues for extended periods of time. However, formaldehyde is usually preferred over phenol for embalming with intent of public viewing because of phenol's tendency to turn tissues an unpleasant bleach-white color."







STABILIZERS: These are used to inhibit chemical reactions and prevent

vaccine contents from separating or sticking to the vial.



Fetal bovine (calf) serum:

-a commonly used stabilizer.

-Defined as; a Plasma like substance taken from aborted baby cattle. "FBS (or fetal calf serum) is the portion of plasma remaining after coagulation of blood, during which process the plasma protein fibrinogen is converted to fibrin and remains behind in the clot[1]. Fetal bovine serum comes from the blood drawn from a bovine fetus via a closed system venipuncture at the abattoir. Fetal bovine serum is the most widely used serum for cell culture due to being low in antibodies and containing more growth factors, allowing for versatility in many different applications."

"The globular protein, bovine serum albumin (BSA), is a major component of fetal bovine serum. The rich variety of proteins in fetal bovine serum maintains cultured cells in a medium in which they can survive, grow, and divide."



Monosodium glutamate (MSG)

-helps the vaccine remain unchanged when exposed to heat, light, acidity, or humidity.

-Defined as; Flavor enhancer... haha!



Human serum albumin

-helps stabilize live viruses. Porcine (pig) gelatin, which protects vaccines from freeze-drying or heat, can cause severe allergic reactions.

-Defined as; the most abundant protein in human blood plasma. Blocking agent, binding agent, and protein stabilizer.







ANTIBIOTICS: These are added to prevent bacterial growth during vaccine production and storage.



Neomycin:

-a developmental toxin and suspected neurotoxin.

-Defined as; a basic antibiotic that is found in many topical medications such as creams, ointments, and eyedrops.



Streptomycin:

-a suspected blood, skin and sense organ toxin.

-Defined as; "an antibiotic drug, the first of a class of drugs called aminoglycosides to be discovered, and was the first antibiotic remedy for tuberculosis. It is derived from the actinobacterium Streptomyces griseus. Streptomycin is a bactericidal antibiotic[3]. Streptomycin cannot be given orally, but must be administered by regular intramuscular injections. An adverse effect of this medicine is ototoxicity, which can lead to hearing loss"



Polymyxin B:

-a suspected liver and kidney toxin.

-Defined as; "an antibiotic. Polymyxins bind to the cell membrane and alter its structure making it more permeable. The resulting water uptake leads to cell death. They are cationic, basic proteins that act like detergents (surfactants). Side-effects include neurotoxicity and acute renal tubular necrosis."







ADDITIVES (Buffers, diluents, emulsifiers, excipients, residuals, solvents, etc.): Some of these, such as sodium chloride, are probably benign. Others, such as egg proteins and yeast can cause severe reactions.



Ammonium sulfate:

-a suspected liver, neuro and respiratory toxin. Glycerin is a suspected blood, liver and neuro toxin.

-defined as; "an inorganic salt with a number of commercial uses. It is used largely as an artificial fertilizer for alkaline soils, as an agricultural spray adjuvant for water soluble insecticides, herbicides, and fungicides. and In biochemistry, ammonium sulfate precipitation is a common method for purifying proteins by precipitation. As such, ammonium sulfate is also listed as an ingredient for many United States vaccines per the Center for Disease Control."



Sodium borate:

-a suspected blood, endocrine, liver and neuro toxin.

-also known as Borax! or laundry detergent. amongst other uses...



Polysorbate 80 (Tween 80):

-a suspected skin and sense organ toxin.

-defined as; a non-ionic surfactant and emulsifier derived from polyethoxylated sorbitan and oleic acid, and is often used in foods. It has also been connected to infertility.



Hydrochloric acid:

-(added to some vaccines to balance pH) is a suspected liver, immune, locomotor, respiratory, skin and sense organ toxin.

-a solution of hydrogen chloride (HCl) in water, that is a highly corrosive, strong mineral acid with many industrial uses. It is found naturally in gastric acid.



Sodium hydroxide:

-a suspected respiratory, skin and sense organ toxin, and highly corrosive to organic tissues.

-Also known as Lye, or Hair relaxer!... a caustic metallic base. It is used in many industries, mostly as a strong chemical base in the manufacture of pulp and paper, textiles, soaps and detergents and as a drain cleaner. pH is around 13.5, your bodies basic pH is around 6.



Potassium chloride:

-a suspected blood, liver and respiratory toxin.

-Defined as; A potassium based crystalyn substance used most commonly for fertilizers. In medicine it is used most commonly in combination with a Barbituate and a paralytic for Lethal Injection, and in fetal intracardiac injections in second- and third-trimester induced abortions.







INACTIVATING CHEMICALS: These kill unwanted viruses and bacteria that could contaminate vaccines.



Formaldehyde (or formalin):

-a known carcinogen and suspected liver, immune, neuro, reproductive, respiratory, skin and sense organ toxin. It is also used in embalming fluids.

-Used most commonly as embalming fluid. (duh)



Glutaraldehyde:

-a suspected developmental, immune, reproductive, respiratory, skin and sense organ toxin.

-defined as; an organic compound, pungent colorless oily liquid, used to disinfect medical and dental equipment. It is also used for industrial water treatment and as a chemical preservative.



Polyoxyethylene:

-a suspected endocrine toxin.

-has a low toxicity and is used in a variety of products. It is the basis of a number of laxatives, used for bowel preparation before surgery or colonoscopy and drug overdoses.







CONTAMINANTS: Vaccines may also contain dangerous, unintended

substances, such as the carcinogenic monkey virus, SV-40, found in some polio vaccines, and HIV discovered in early hepatitis B vaccines.



-SV-40: an abbreviation for Simian vacuolating virus 40 or Simian virus 40, a polyomavirus that is found in both monkeys and humans. Like other polyomaviruses, SV40 is a DNA virus that has the potential to cause tumors, but most often persists as a latent infection.

SV40 became a highly controversial subject after it was revealed that millions were exposed to the virus after receiving a contaminated polio vaccine.





Personal note:

They want to inject you and your children with the same chemicals that they use for lethal injection and abortions... somehow this seems wrong to me.

and potassium chloride isn't even the worst of them!

Jevonna - posted on 11/26/2010

@Loureen Kelly

http://www.healingdaily.com/conditions/v...

http://www.alaskawellness.com/jul-aug01/...

http://vran.org/about-vaccines/general-i...

Just to name a few!

Charlie - posted on 11/26/2010

Oh jebus *eye roll * here we go ,do you have an unbiased source other that VIC and its conspiracies ?

Jevonna - posted on 11/26/2010

If ya'll knew what was in the vaccinations and immunizations you would be appalled!

Ingredients:
MSG
ANIFREEZE
FORMALDEHYDE: This is embalming fluid which is what you are injected with when you die!
ALUMINUM
GLYCERIN
LEAD
CADMIUM
SULFATES
YEAST
PROTEINS
ANTIBIOTICS you shouldn't need antibiotics unless you actually need them
ACETONE
NEOMYCIN
STREPTOMYCIN
MERCURY: if a thermometer broke and mercury was spilled on the floor or any other surface a HAS-MAT team comes in quarantines the area for days and also confiscates ANYTHING that the mercury touches. So please tell me why you would want this to be injected into your child's blood stream?!?
MONKEY KIDNEY
DOG KENEY
CHICK EMBRYO
CHICKEN EGG
DUCK EGG
CALF SERUM
ABORTED FETAL TISSUE: women are paid to get pregnant and have abortions!
PIG BLOOD
HORSE BLOOD
SHEEP BLOOD
RABBIT BRAIN
GUINEA PIG
COW HEART
AND THAT'S JUST TO NAME A FEW
READ FOR YOURSELF

http://vacinfo.org/

In all the animals when the vaccine is being made the virus is injected into the animal. when they are almost over the virus, biopsies are taken from the kidney and eggs which means any other virus or disease the animal has is in that biopsy! Which means you could contract that same disease!

So educate before you vaccinate!!!!!

Jevonna - posted on 11/26/2010

If ya'll knew what was in the vaccinations and immunizations you would be appalled!

Ingredients:
MSG
ANIFREEZE
FORMALDEHYDE: This is embalming fluid which is what you are injected with when you die!
ALUMINUM
GLYCERIN
LEAD
CADMIUM
SULFATES
YEAST
PROTEINS
ANTIBIOTICS you shouldn't need antibiotics unless you actually need them
ACETONE
NEOMYCIN
STREPTOMYCIN
MERCURY: if a thermometer broke and mercury was spilled on the floor or any other surface a HAS-MAT team comes in quarantines the area for days and also confiscates ANYTHING that the mercury touches. So please tell me why you would want this to be injected into your child's blood stream?!?
MONKEY KIDNEY
DOG KENEY
CHICK EMBRYO
CHICKEN EGG
DUCK EGG
CALF SERUM
ABORTED FETAL TISSUE: women are paid to get pregnant and have abortions!
PIG BLOOD
HORSE BLOOD
SHEEP BLOOD
RABBIT BRAIN
GUINEA PIG
COW HEART
AND THAT'S JUST TO NAME A FEW
READ FOR YOURSELF

http://vacinfo.org/

In all the animals when the vaccine is being made the virus is injected into the animal. when they are almost over the virus, biopsies are taken from the kidney and eggs which means any other virus or disease the animal has is in that biopsy! Which means you could contract that same disease!

So educate before you vaccinate!!!!!

Charlie - posted on 11/26/2010

Having lived in a country where vaccines are not readily available and where children die often because of preventable diseases I am all for vaccination , yes they had clean water , food , good living conditions and still the lack of vaccinations are a major cause for childhood death .

Jevonna - posted on 11/26/2010

If ya'll knew what was in the vaccinations and immunizations you would be appalled!

Ingredients:
MSG
ANIFREEZE
FORMALDEHYDE: This is embalming fluid which is what you are injected with when you die!
ALUMINUM
GLYCERIN
LEAD
CADMIUM
SULFATES
YEAST
PROTEINS
ANTIBIOTICS you shouldn't need antibiotics unless you actually need them
ACETONE
NEOMYCIN
STREPTOMYCIN
MERCURY: if a thermometer broke and mercury was spilled on the floor or any other surface a HAS-MAT team comes in quarantines the area for days and also confiscates ANYTHING that the mercury touches. So please tell me why you would want this to be injected into your child's blood stream?!?
MONKEY KIDNEY
DOG KENEY
CHICK EMBRYO
CHICKEN EGG
DUCK EGG
CALF SERUM
ABORTED FETAL TISSUE: women are paid to get pregnant and have abortions!
PIG BLOOD
HORSE BLOOD
SHEEP BLOOD
RABBIT BRAIN
GUINEA PIG
COW HEART
AND THAT'S JUST TO NAME A FEW
READ FOR YOURSELF

http://vacinfo.org/

In all the animals when the vaccine is being made the virus is injected into the animal. when they are almost over the virus, biopsies are taken from the kidney and eggs which means any other virus or disease the animal has is in that biopsy! Which means you could contract that same disease!

So educate before you vaccinate!!!!!

Kayleigh - posted on 11/26/2010

If you do a little more research you will find that the VAST majority of the diseases that they vaccinate for were already in their major decline before the vaccines were introduced, and then used the decline as false evidence to support vaccinations...
Viruses have a solid life span, they infect, spread, and die out all on their own... Example: The black plague... which had it life, decimated, and then died out in its own time period.. and b/c of its effect on Europeans there is an entire portion of the EU population that are Permanently Genetically immune to all sorts of things like HIV B/c Their family survived the Plague... Ya know what they credit the end of that disease too? people learning to WASH THEIR HANDS.

Jevonna - posted on 11/26/2010

http://www.thegadflyblog.com/2009/09/h1n...

Its a website to read! Also if you google H1N1 man made you will get all kinds of sites on the issue!

Rosie - posted on 11/26/2010

i also don't believe anybody said vaccines are 100% safe. but the benefits FAR outweigh the risks. did you know the leading cause of death for children under 5 is a car accident? so do you not take your kid anywhere in a car? no, because the risk of that happening doesn't outweigh the benefit. same thing for vaccines, except the benefit is your childs life is saved instead of you getting to your destination faster.

Rosie - posted on 11/26/2010

"specially when we (our family) live in a clean developed country where we can make our own decisions. "

that right there is BECAUSE of vaccines.

what do you think has made many these diseases almost non existant now?

Julianne - posted on 11/26/2010

thanks kayleigh for posting information already posted, and adding some new information as well. :D i was tired of saying the same thing over and over again as a result of different people asking the same questions. Like i said, its running in circles now, i think ive said all i can say here....

Kayleigh - posted on 11/26/2010

I'd just like to say that the autism rate is probably continuing to rise b/c they simply replaced the Thimerosal with Aluminum... does exactly the same thing as the mercury... including causing Heavy Metal Poisoning... which, surprise-surprise, has the EXACT same symptoms as Autism. I have a list of ALL of the potential ingredients in vaccines that could be harmful and some of the things they put in these things just makes me cringe...
Do any of you actually watch TV? I swear at any given time there are 5 to 10 DIFFERENT commercials looking for RX victims that have been permanently damaged by a drug that they rushed out and was pushed for sometimes years before they did ANYTHING about the fact that it was fucking people up, and now they are paying out the ass for it. I don't understand how people can just blindly trust the medical industry, or the government.
Ya wanna know something? I wasn't anti-vax until i started doing research... i came to this decision after being 100% pro-vax, I'd been vaccinated as a child, so had my sister, and my mom... now that I am having my first child I'm really thinking about all the things that really matter, and after doing the research and considering ALL of the information on BOTH SIDES I am Not Comfortable AT ALL with vaccinating... Specially since Vaccines are a temporary solution (if you can even call them that) and only last 3 to 4 years.
Its not worth the risk no matter how you cut it. specially when we (our family) live in a clean developed country where we can make our own decisions.

Oh and if the government thinks these things are SO safe, then what are these pages about?

http://medalerts.org/
http://vaers.hhs.gov/index

This is what the CDC and FDA say you should ask your selves before vaccinating. Most people don't even bother trying to comply to this and don't care about educating them selves.. the biggest problem in my opinion...

1. Am I or my child sick right now?
2. Have I or my child had a bad reaction to a vaccination before?
3. Do I or my child have a personal or family history of vaccine reactions, neurological disorders, severe allergies or immune system problems?
4. Do I know the disease and vaccine risks for myself or my child?
5. Do I have full information about the vaccine’s side effects?
6. Do I know how to identify and report a vaccine reaction?
7. Do I know I need to keep a written record, including the vaccine manufacturer’s name and lot number, for all vaccinations?
8. Do I know I have the right to make an informed choice?


If anyone wants the list of all possible harmful vaccines ingredients with their purpose and potential reactions just ask.. its REALLY long.

Julianne - posted on 11/26/2010

actually from the research ive conducted they actually kill people...ive been posting info and such for the majority of this conversation. if you would like to check references, go back and do so. Im done with this conversation..for the most part, they get their information from the scientists who make the vaccine, if you make something, are you going to tell someone its no good? or be bias toward it.



the government IS a corporation..a business, here to make profit what do you think they are?

Rosie - posted on 11/26/2010

yes the government gets their information from doctors who in turn recommend vaccination. what medical site do you recommend? cause every major health organization in the WORLD recommends vaccination. you do realize that without vaccines, most of us would have been stricken with some horrible disease by now. i'm simply baffled at how anybody could think vaccines are bad, or how the governments main goal in all of this is money. vaccines have saved millions of lives, are lives worth money to you?

Julianne - posted on 11/26/2010

the fda also changes regulations on products just to support the people who pay the most. Like febreeze for instance, was banned in canada because it was causing adverse effects in pets, less than a month later after the company payed for further testing the ban was lifted. Also like i said previously, thalidomide was pushed to the market without proper testing, and doctors everywhere pushed it....look how that turned out.

Julianne - posted on 11/26/2010

you do realize that your getting information from GOVERNMENT sites. why not try medical sites and see the DRASTIC difference. The government is bias towards the vaccine and only puts up information that is supporting it. Regardless if its plausible or error free.

Julianne - posted on 11/26/2010

Well i decide to save my childs life by NOT vaccinating,

Rosie - posted on 11/26/2010

so we just let them get sick and possibly die because they can't talk yet? sorry, i strap my kids in a carseat, i put my older kids in boosters even though they bitch and moan about it. if i let my kids decide what things they wanted, they wouldn't go to school, cartoons and videogames would be on all the time, and they'd only eat pizza. sorry, i decide EVERYTHING about my children-that includes whether or not to save their life by vaccinating them.

Julianne - posted on 11/26/2010

its your childs decision, if i was aloud that decision now (vaccinations should not be given at such a young age anyways) i would choose not to. we dont own our children.they should decide when they are capable of doing so....the convo is just running in circles now....read all the prev posts before using an analogy or reasoning for why to vaccinate..

Jackie - posted on 11/26/2010

I couldn't stay away. The curiousity got the best of me :)



@ Veronika - I never said anything rude to you. Grow up. We were having a good debate that "Yay, Goodbye" comment was childish. I happen to disagree with you, so what?



And as for those that say we don't provide any supporting info to back up our cases... Well, the proof in the pudding. I think it's pretty safe to say that none of us are doctors, chemists, or anything of the like. We are all mothers that are trying to do the best for our children. I trust what what my doctors tell me otherwise I wouldn't be taking her to the doctors. Just like taking my lil one to a babysitter. If I don't trust her with "my life" then I need to find a new one. I trust that my doctors are giving me the most informed information out there. I don;t belive that all doctors are in it for the money that they make off of pushing vaccines. I whole-heartedly believe that they become doctors because they truly care about the well being. That doesn't mean I don't ask questions, that just means that I think I'm doing right by MY child. Thank you very much



I would also like to add: Why do people keep saying that it isn't a parents right to vaccinate? Then who's decision is it? Then I guess it's not your decision or right to NOT vaccinate then, right? If you say no then it's a total contradiction because it's our job as parents to make those types of decisions. Please.

Rosie - posted on 11/26/2010

theres only mercury in the flu shot. none of the other vaccines where they would get that many at a time.

vaccines don't cause autism that has long since been disproven. in fact ever since they took thimersol out of vaccines in 2001 autism rates have gone up. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concern...

the two types of mercury are also different. in the fish is the more harmful methylmercury. in the vaccine is ethylmercury-which is more easily taken care of and excreted by the body. and doing further research i guess it depends on what type of tuna we're talking about here as well. the kind i usually eat albacore has more than the flu shot. canned light doesn't. http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodSafety/Produ...



http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaxsuppl...



i understand maybe being cautious, and fear of the unknown, but no VALID medical research has proven that any of the vaccines are harmful. people have stopped vaccinating their kids and it freaks me out, and makes me feel for the people that don't vaccinate, or for the kids that CAN'T be vaccinated. my uncle had polio as a child and he was very lucky because he lived and wasn't paralysed permanently. it has taken the use of his legs though over time. he's had multiple surgeries, is in constant pain, and will probably never walk again. i am thankful that there is something out there that can stop something terrible like that from happening to my children. i simply do not understand how anybody can be so nonchalant with their childs life with UNPROVEN and UNFOUNDED crap science.



ever notice on the bottom of the websites that show all of this information it states how none of their information is approved by the FDA and their information is not meant to cure, treat, or diagnose any condition, and to always consult your doctor before taking their advice? it's cause they legally can't put crap out there without covering their ass. doesn't give me too much confidence in the info. sorry.

Kayleigh - posted on 11/25/2010

AND it is PROVEN that eating too much fish and tuna during pregnancy will cause serious brain damage to the developing child, thus causing symptoms that are identical to autism! and they like to give children up to 8 SHOTS AT A TIME!?
so fuct.

Julianne - posted on 11/25/2010

thats not true at all......tuna has about , 0.12 ppm of mercury while the vaccine has about 0.68 of mercury. The tuna goes through your digestive system so your body has a chance to filter it, the vaccine is ingested directly into your blood supply so bypasses the organs that protect you against toxins. If you get a vaccine without mercury it still contains aluminum. The flu shot is made without the mercury in some places, but its not widely distributed and not available to the majority of the population.

Rosie - posted on 11/25/2010

hope people freak out when a tuna fish sandwich falls on the floor, and scoops it up as toxic waste cause there's more mercury in that than there is in a flu vaccine. if you don't want mercury, ask for a single vial dose-doesn't have any in it.

Julianne - posted on 11/25/2010

The proof is so obvious, they put mercury in the vaccine. mercury causes heavy metal poisoning. Its so toxic that if the doctor dropped the vaccine on the floor it would be considered toxic waste. I don't believe anyone said the h1n1 not being real, just the reaction of society was an over reaction pushed on by health officials.





http://www.medicinenet.com/mercury_poiso...











you give evidence and apparently their is none....that was this whole discussion, post a bunch of evidence..and theres none either way...if you look up their is a ton of scientific evidence on pro and con vac

Rocelle - posted on 11/25/2010

So to the original post, I do believe H1N1 was real and was around, however I do believe ppl gave in to the terrible mass hysteria of it. The shot came out so quick I refused it simply because it made no sense to me why would this shot be out the same year as the diease I didnt feel it would be safe or have any desired affect, but to the debate of vaccines themselve I am completely pro and no matter of internet sources and age old thoughts will change my mind. My uncle had polio as a child almost died and has many health problem since due to the polio he once had over 50 plus years. I dont believe they cause autism I dont believe other than maybe allegric reaction they are harmful to your child mentally or otherwise. All three of my children are vaccinate and should I have more they will be as well, I dont think its a matter of whos right or wrong its what you feel is best what you choose to believe and what you choose to do about it. This is what I believe so that is what I choose to do, I respect others opinions and views and understand why they feel the way they do. However, I also stand completely by my dr, who i talked with and was given information I believed to be true, no one will ever really know the truth because like stated before there is no proof either way.

Julianne - posted on 11/25/2010

lol I get you..hehe Anti-vac say this is why we dont vaccinate, and give the resources and reasons that brought us to the decision.. pro-vac (MOSTLY, some people did have valid points im not trying to insult anyone) Say just because, or just repeat stuff doctors say, but don't give any evidence to back why. Or use emotional persuasion like we have no idea what the probability is if we did actually make a wrong decision. Thats why its called weighing the pros and cons to determine if its the best thing to do. Not just do it because society thinks its best. The whole thing kind of reminds me of the saying....."If your best friend jumped off a bridge....." hahaha

On another note...since when did being apposed to a concept be considered conspiracy.. its called truth.

You take the time to investigate into theory and find PROOF in fact..only then can you say its truth

Veronika - posted on 11/25/2010

No one is a super mom. But we do not owe our kids. We are just here to hepl them. Anyway, about vaccines and the military...Anyone can look up info on the gulf war sindrom for example. And make conclusions for themselfs. This is another topic, so

Veronika - posted on 11/25/2010

YEY!!! Goodbye!

Veronika - posted on 11/25/2010

I know it exists. I was just being sarcastic lol Thanks for looking it up though. We are speaking facts, not fiction. We are informed, not desinformed. And if someone wishes to call us conspiracy theorists, well at least we have a theory!!!

Julianne - posted on 11/24/2010

i dont believe anyone trying to act like supermoms..this is a discussion on vaccinations, not whos the better parent....i thought it was about information and education, now personal perception..

Jaime - posted on 11/24/2010

Oh please if your going to get sick your going to get sick end of story, Now i have spent three years in the military and it is mandatory that every one gets the shots flu or other wise. I got all the shots including gets 15 shots in one arm for deployment and i never ever got sick the whole three years i was in the military. Coming out of the military get the flu once a year and try to deal with it. IF you want to get the shots do it, if you dont, then dont. People need to quit trying to act like super mom like their crap dont stick and quit judging other parents for the choices they Make for THEIR kids.

Deanna - posted on 11/23/2010

my 18 month old daughter is not vaccinated and she's healthy and strong :) .. my niece and nephew and best friends baby are not vaccinated either and healthy. my daughters naturopathic doctors children and thier children are not vaccinated as well and perfectly healthy.