Rant alert - mother/daughter relationship

Jaime - posted on 11/02/2010 ( 23 moms have responded )

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I am concerned about the relationship my mother is trying to have with me now that I'm about to have her granddaughter.



My mother never wanted me. She never wanted a kid, let alone a girl, and didn't know she was even pregnant with me until she was six months along. Up until that time she drank coffee and smoked, thinking she was just getting fat. My great grandparents made her go to the doctor while she was visiting for Thanksgiving, and that was when she found out. My original due date was February 12, but I wasn't born until April and the doctors thought I'd be brain-dead when I finally was. My mother was sick with what my great grandma thinks may have been an STD, which made me sick and so after I was born I was stuck in the hospital for twelve days. My mother was a signature away from giving me up for adoption, but my great grandma stopped her. She stayed with my great grandparents for a little while after I was born, but because I was allergic to the formula she was feeding me I cried after every bottle. She had very little patience and screamed at me for crying, my great grandma said, and eventually threw me at her saying she didn't want me and that my great grandma should take me. From then on I stayed with my great grandma while my mother moved out and started dating again.



My great grandma believes my mother broke my arm at some point. I did break it, because we still have the cast, but I was too young to remember and my mother claimed I had rolled off the bed while she had gone to the bathroom. The first Easter I remember, we were at my mother's friend's place, and my mother dragged me outside by my hair when I said I didn't want to hunt for Easter eggs. I told my great grandma as soon as I got home and she still remembers that, as well as a few other episodes in which she had to come get me from my mother's friend's place because I had called her when my mother got mad at me. My mother claimed I had tripped and all she had to grab was my hair or else I would have busted my head on the coffee table, which may explain the first part but not the being dragged outside. I distinctly remember being pulled backwards out of her friend's living room onto the back porch, so...yeah.



She didn't move back in with us until her five-year marriage with my little brother's abusive sperm donor ended, and when she did she seemed jealous of my relationship with my great grandparents, who treated me like their late-life child. She and her mother always talked about how spoiled and ungrateful I was, and were verbally abusive toward me. Of course, my mother was verbally abusive toward my brother too, but she was always comparing us and always brought my faults to light if her son ever did anything bad. It was very obvious that she favored him over me.



She also hated all of my boyfriends unless they paid her special attention or weren't much to look at anyway. The only one I had who didn't pay her attention and was IMO highly attractive was my husband, and she hated him from the time we started dating until we got married. She did everything to turn my great grandma against him as well, and so our relationship has been pretty stressed from the very beginning.



But now that we're married and have a baby due in January, everything's wonderful. She acts like she's proud of me, and like she raised me and was there my entire childhood. I mentioned to my family that I planned to breastfeed my daughter for at least the first two months, maybe longer if my husband and I could afford it, and my mother immediately said that was how long she breastfed me. She didn't see me for twelve days after I was born, in which time she was given pills to dry herself up (my great grandma told me this long ago, when I was still little). She couldn't have breastfed me. Everyone was hoping I would have a quiet and happy baby, and she said that I was too after I was put on soy milk by my great grandma, which stopped my crying. I don't even know that she was around that long. She's been all gung-ho about me having a baby and about my relationship with my husband, even though she claimed she hated him before we got married and she's never liked kids. She tells me things that I know aren't true, and it's as though she either thinks I'm stupid or that these lies are real.



Last week she used my great grandma's money to buy a car seat. Not for my husband's car, but for hers. Black and gray, very boyish, $45. She said she'd buy one for ours later, when she had the money for it, even though my daughter is coming home in my husband's car, not hers (it's not even her car anyway, it's my great grandma's). My grandmother bought a jungle-themed 3-piece crib bedding set in the same trip, $60 or more. I had mentioned before we found out it was a girl that I wanted a jungle-themed nursery, and that was why she got it. However, a couple days later, I found a 4-piece set with pink ladybugs on it for the same price and mentioned it. My great grandma suggested we just trade them, and my grandmother was fine with that idea, but my mother became livid. I hadn't even told her what I'd thought about the car seat, or about how upset I was that she had bought it for her own car instead of ours. After my mother finally cooled down about the bedding set, she said that my husband and I had been "nitpicking" the entire time about what we wanted for the baby since we'd said we were pregnant, when all we did was stress that if they HAD to buy anything, they should buy the crib and the car seat, because it made no sense to have a bunch of baby clothes and bedding when there was no way to get the baby home and nowhere for her to sleep. We also said that if they wanted to make it easy on everyone, they should just give us gift cards or money, and we would buy what we needed as we needed it.



I don't know where she's coming from on some of this. I don't want to put my Juliana through the crap she's put me through. I'm worried that she'll be babysitting Julie one day and Julie will cry and she'll blow up on her like she did me, and what if this time my great grandma isn't there to stop her from hurting my baby? I can't imagine finding out that my daughter's arm got broken while she was visiting her grandma, and how would I ever tell her about that when she got older? How would she react? Would she become as stressed out as I have been my entire life because her grandma treated her like that?



And what if I turn out to be like my mother? What if I blow up on my Julie because I can't find out why she's crying? What if I hurt her somehow like my mother did me? I don't know that I could live with myself if I did that. I know that my feelings for my daughter are much different from my mother's feelings for me, but I have just as bad a temper. I can fly off the handle at anything, too. I've been much better during my pregnancy but before that I was very easy to piss off, and what if I go back to being that way after I have Julie? My husband thinks I have much more patience than I used to, and that my daughter will teach me even more, but I'm so scared that I'll revert back to being like I was, or will become worse and more like my mother.



So I guess I'm asking for advice on how I should handle the situation with my mother and managing her future relationship with her grandchild, and I guess reassurance that maybe I won't be like her with my daughter...



Also if anyone knows of any therapy groups in eastern Arkansas I would be very grateful for information on them...

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Angela - posted on 11/05/2010

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Oh, my gosh, I'm so, so sorry you're going through this. You shouldn't have to.

First off, you will NOT be like your mother. The fact that you're concerned about it makes me believe that you won't turn out like her. My mom was abusive as well, though not to the extent yours was, and before my daughter was born I had the same fear - would I be like her? Yes, I do have my days where i lose my temper, but never to the extent that I could. I'm always careful to make sure that I don't get crazy around my daughter. And I have a very supportive husband who knows the situation and makes sure when he sees me getting really upset that he takes me out of the situation.

Trust your instincts about your mom. I'm not comfortable leaving my daughter alone with my mother, and have only done it once for a few hours, and that was only within the last few months (she's 2 now). I just don't trust my mother. Doesn't sound like you can trust yours either.

As far as breastfeeding goes, I know our hospital gave us a manual pump to use when we went home. Here in MA nursing mothers are allowed breaks to the pump; it's the law. I don't know what it is where you are, but it's something to look in to.

Good luck and big hugs for you.

Tah - posted on 11/05/2010

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it may be time to come off of great grans phone plan then...

Nicole - posted on 11/04/2010

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I can sympathize, as my mother and I have a rocky relationship as well. My biggest fear as a mother is becoming my mother, I am also seeking help in not repeating the past and finding a positive way to deal with my mother now. I'm here for you if you'd ever like to talk. Perhaps we can help each other gain confidence and reassurance :)

Chelly - posted on 11/04/2010

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Hi Jaime,

Congratulations on your little girl on the way!

My story isn't similar at all but I'm not on speaking terms with my mom - my decision. It was really hard for the first year and it still is sometimes but sometimes it's better for you and your family for them to just not be part of your lives. That's your decision.

I'd like to recommend two books that I'm currently reading. One is "Mean Mothers", it's a fairly new book and helped me to understand where my mom may be coming from and helped me make sense of why she may have treated me that way she did. The second book is called "Parenting from the Inside Out". I'm also in the middle of this book and it's fantastic. You'll want to buy the second one because there's so much info and lots of exercises. It may come in handy when and if you find yourself feeling like you're loosing control and acting a way that you don't want to towards your baby girl. It talks about how we were raised, what we do that affects our children as well as exercises to help you bring it all together and let go of baggage. I totally thought I had let it all go and was passed it, but every now and then it comes up since having a daughter.

You also say it right.... "manage" the relationship. You will have to set boundaries. My mom spent no more than an hour alone with her at a time and rarely and that's how she wanted it anyways. Now I wouldn't put it past her to take our DD away from us (her mom would take me away from her without notice), and she's 'joked' about it. At some point, she crossed my boundaries too far and that was it, haven't talked to her since.

Jaime - posted on 11/03/2010

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"Mother is God in the eyes of a child." ~ Silent Hill. creepy movie, but great quote.

but it kinda messes you up a bit when God is all wrath and no love :( i think that's why people don't like the Old Testament...

i completely agree with everyone who has said my mother is crazy. she is, and i know it. i just hope it's not entirely genetic.

Meiya - posted on 11/03/2010

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One more thing. From the Crow." Mother is the name of God on the lips of all children." Be who you are meant to be for her. Nothing less, but always more. You have us hete and most importantly, you have your husband.

Meiya - posted on 11/03/2010

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You seem to be a very strong woman. Bravo to you for that. Just remember your husband put a ring on your finger for a reason.( my own husband tells me this). Keep your head high and keep moving forward. It really sucks about your family. Don't hate me for saying this, but your mother is a piece of work. If the relationship between you and your great grandmother is air tight, there is nothing wrong with having your little girl around her. As for your mother, you can pick and choose your battles with her, but always remember that she's your baby, not hers, and you have the final word and therefore you win all the battles. It hurts, I know, but you princess doesn't deserve to be introduced to a sour world. Make it how you wanted it to be for you and more. It's tough. But there are some ppl in this world that don't even deserve to be an issue in ones life. That is absolute first hand... you should gave witnessed my ordeal with the husbands ex girlfriend. Lol.

Jaime - posted on 11/03/2010

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i would totally change my number and have nothing to do with them ever again if my phone wasn't on my great grandma's plan. they'll probably disconnect me anyway, if they don't change their minds first.

they do this a lot. i've been "disowned" at least five times in the last two years, since i moved out of the house. after a little while they start talking to me again. i don't want to keep julie away from my great grandma though. it's my mother who's doing this, not my great grandma...and she just lost her husband in august, and she's so happy to see julie in january...

Tah - posted on 11/03/2010

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for your piece of mind, change your number and let that be the last contact you have with them....

Jaime - posted on 11/03/2010

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First off I'd like to say thank you for all your kind words, advice, and support. It means a lot to me to know that I'm not entirely crazy, hehe.

Secondly, I have found that I've yet again been disowned (this is not the first time by any means) by my mother and my family in general.

My mother-in-law brought over the car seat my husband and I were wanting. My great grandmother had already told me to take the black one my mother had bought and trade it for the pink one, but we hadn't done that yet. So when my MIL came up with the pink one, we were happy but weren't sure what to tell my family. I made the mistake of telling them about my MIL and my mother got highly offended. My great grandmother seemed fine at first, but when I mentioned possibly putting the money from the black car seat into helping my MIL buy the crib or into a mattress, all hell broke loose. My mother texted me, "You diss everything we get so you can forget about us doing anything now. You got what you obviously wanted. We're out of the pic." In text talk, of course.

I told her, "First of all, the car seat was for you, not me. I loved the blankets and everything but forgive me for not seeing the ladybugs til later. Sorry for trying to tell you guys in the first place to just give us gift cards so we could cut out all the bitching, something none of us needs, especially Julie. We tried to tell [my husband's] mom the same thing, just gift cards. It's pure coincidence she got the car seat and we didn't know she was getting it."

Her reply: "Whatever. Bully for you, [your husband], and his mom. Your gift card idea is BS anyway. How do we know you'll spend them on Julie? Stop telling us what to do and how to spend our money. Your control freak crap has taken all the joy out of a new baby. Turn the car seat in on the mattress and pay off the rest with your 'gift cards.' Leave us alone now."

So yeah...I thought I could post that without crying but I guess not. I don't understand where the hell she's coming from on this. I don't get where she gets the idea that I would ever be like that about my daughter. Just because she's like that doesn't mean I am.

I can't understand why I'm made out to be the bad guy in this...

Brandi - posted on 11/03/2010

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I would say that your first priority is always the safety of your child. After what you went through with your mother, I would never leave her alone with a child. It sounds like she has issues that are not ever going to change and she does not deserve an opportunity to hurt your child. There are going to be days when you feel like you just can't cope and you will probably yell at your kids at some point in their lives. When you feel like you need a break, take one. Your hubby can take the kids for a little bit so you can cool down. While she's still a baby, make sure that you and your hubby take turns with her. Especially when she gets fussy. If one of you can't get her to quiet down, trade. Sometimes that's all it takes and if neither of you can cope at that time, find another mommy who would be willing to spell you for a bit. Not your mom! You will do a great job with your little one, but you have to work at it. I give you props for wanting to talk about this with someone too. I think that would help you a lot and they can probably give you a better perspective on your situation. Good luck and congrats on your little sweetie!

Valerie - posted on 11/03/2010

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first off id like to say congrats on your little girl! now about the post. your mother did do a lot of wrong by you, however it is possible that she has realized that it wasnt right and wishes she could change it and her saying all those things is her crazy way of doing it. im not saying you should leave your baby alone with her by any means. if you and your husband feel uncomfortable doing that then dont. imo you should suss out the situation. the thing about the car seat is wrong also. you need to transport your child not her. and you are excited and happy about your child. you will be a great mom. and if you or your husband sense you going off the handle have him call you out and maybe some counseling may be a good thing. i live in NY so i have no idea where in Arkansas. now your issue with breastfeeding. i understand your financial situation. im currently looking for a job because were in about the same boat. at the end of the week i have about 40$ for gas and food. diapers the whole shabang. and i have 2yr old twins so they eat food. however WIC is a wonderful thing i agree. i know in NY if you want to breastfeed you get more food for yourself and you get it for a yr after the baby is born instead of 6mos. once they hit four months you get baby cearel and baby food. and then as they get older you get other things too. also here idk bout there if you want to breastfeed and need a pump for work purposes and cant afford one they will give you one. they are all about doing anything they can to get you to breastfeed your baby (its less money they have to spend on formula-its expensive) and any job you get has to let you pump. it is against the law to deny you that courtesy. you can do it in the bathroom on your breaks if you have to but they cannot deny you being able to feed your child they way you choose. i hope that helps some and good luck im sure you will make an amazing mother.

Good Day! - posted on 11/03/2010

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Jaime, makes perfect sense then. =) Good luck hun, and I hope you find some advice here that is useful to you.

Alex - posted on 11/03/2010

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1. I just flat out wouldnt let her babysit or leave her alone with her

2. You know ive always been told i couldnt have kids so i grew up just not being interested in them and I could say i was probably pretty bratty through my pregnancy cause i was very worried that i just wouldnt love the baby like i was meant to.
Believe me when i say you will look at ur baby and u will seriously say how could my mother have done that to me cause the love that you feel is very beyond what you can think, as someone on here once told me, the fact that you are already worrying and thinking about it means you are going to be an AMAZING mother :) good luck hun

Tah - posted on 11/03/2010

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o, and a job can't fire you for being pregnant so if that is what they actually said to you, you need to look into repercussions for them for that...it's discrimination

Tah - posted on 11/03/2010

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okay i'm going to say some things and you may or may not agree.



a). Let me start by saying that your mother was definitley wrong in lots of areas. she was not in a place to have a child and yeah, if she didn't know she pregnant, she would continue her current lifestyle..why not....once you know, that stops. I have seen people know they are pregnant and continue smoking and some of the best moms didn't give up coffe or caffeine.



b). your mother did try to give you up for adoption, that should have told everyone that she wasn't ready to be a mother, your greatmother made her keep you. Here is my thing, if i tell you that i can't do it, and this is better for both of us, then a) support my decision or b) step up and care for the child, don't force me into a decision i didn't want to make and then leave me to drown in it, which i think is what your mother was doing.



c)your greatgrandmother did a good thing for sure, taking you to raise, but she also did alot of revealing of things that she could have kept to herself until you were old enough to process and alot of your resentment seems to come from things that were told to you by her.



d) You need to be in counseling and parenting classes, you need to write your mother a letter telling her things you remember and that you don't feel comfortable with the relationship she is trying to have with you or here being around yur child unattended, tell her you looking into counseling and that if she wants to be around your daughter, she needs to do the same. you seem to have some history in your family of some unbalance so need to start talking to someone like right now.



i wish you the best and i am sorry that this has been your life....

Brie - posted on 11/02/2010

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Honey to be completely honest your mom is a psycho especially if she believes what she tells you and thinks things can be ok now and pretend it never happened!!! To be completely honest with you i wouldn't allow her around my child unsupervised ever!! I am truly sorry you had to go through all that... nobody should have to!!! thank god for your great grandma though... i also wouldn't let my child around your grandmother either... listen to your husband when he tells you that you won't be like your mother.. i to have a bad temper but my son has calmed it drastically... and if still in doubt when you feel like you are about to be pushed over the edge remember what you went through with your mom and know that you don't want your daughter being exposed to it!!! congrats on everything... good luck and i know you will be just fine!!

Jaime - posted on 11/02/2010

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Sara, I won't be able to breastfeed if I go back to work after I have the baby. I wouldn't have the time (the place that may hire me only has 8+ hour shifts and no leaving the premises during break) and right now we don't have the money to consider me not going back to work. If things were different I would gladly breastfeed for as long as necessary.



As for my great grandma, she's pretty level-headed now but she didn't use to be. When my mother moved in with us she brought a lot of stress onto my great grandma and I'm not saying she's the reason for it, but my great grandma did eventually have a heart attack that led to three months of hospitalization and double bypass surgery. Before that my great grandma was seriously a devil of a woman, but I knew what was going on with her and could understand why she was like that.



With my mother, I can't understand why she acts the way she does.



EDIT: Before her heart surgery, I mean. For a couple years before that, while the artery was clogging up, my great grandma was pretty crazy and somewhat bipolar. After it, she calmed down a lot.

Good Day! - posted on 11/02/2010

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I'm still not sure I understand. A pump is not totally necessary and formula is more expensive in the long run (unless covered by WIC which I'm assuming it is). But that is not the point of this thread, so I won't say anything else about it. I'm not trying to push BF or anything, I am just genuinely confused by the statement!

I do wish you the best of luck. And feel free to rant away anytime. Sometimes it just feels better to let it all out! Also, it seems that great-grandma has a good head on her shoulders. She's probably a good go-to person (other than us on COM) that understands you and the history of your mom and can help you sort through your emotions and feelings.

Jaime - posted on 11/02/2010

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Sara, thank you for reading and for your advice and support. As for the whole breastfeeding thing, I know that the act itself is free, but unfortunately the food to feed us and the gas to get my husband to and from work is not. :( I was fired from my last job because of my pregnancy about a month ago, and no place will hire me because of liability now. So my husband is the only one working, and after bills each month we only have $25 for gas, food, etc. Thank God for WIC, but that only goes so far. We have Medicaid, but the process was complicated and we have no idea what our benefits are, or if we can for sure get a pump so that I can bottle-feed Julie breastmilk. So as we are now we are not financially stable enough for me to breastfeed for longer than two months, if even that. I'm trying not to get my hopes up for certain things, just in case none of it works out.

Jaime - posted on 11/02/2010

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Thank you so much for taking the time to read my rant, Darylann, and for all the wonderful advice. I was afraid someone might tell me to stop bellyaching and get over my problems, but it's probably silly to think that. Thank you so much for your support. I needed to write down what was going on, and this has helped me a lot. Thank you again :)

Good Day! - posted on 11/02/2010

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Sweetie, you have a husband, you are a team! He knows your history and your fears. Ask him to hold you accountable if you start to get angry towards your daughter. If you feel anger rising, walk away. And the therapy group is a great idea. No idea how to find one, sorry I'm not much help.

You are already a better mom than your mother because you WANT your daughter and you want to do what is best for her!

Also, I know this has nothing to do with your question...what do you mean you will breastfeed only if you can afford it? I'm just confused on that because breastfeeding is free! Good luck with that!

Darylann - posted on 11/02/2010

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Oh my goodness girl :( What a crazy story! First, let me say congratulations on your marriage and on expecting your little bundle of joy! I am so sorry for all of the horrible memories you have of your mother from so, so early on and all through your life. Obviously, she has many, many issues with herself that she is unable to deal with. I don't blame you for being scared to share your joyous moment and child with her! If you are uncomfortable with letting her watch your child....trust your feelings about it! Don't leave her alone with your child. Its definitely you and your husbands choice to share your little one with her at all!

Also, once you hold that little one in your arms, you will immediately fall in love! Don't get me wrong, there are always moments where you will be stressed out and give anything to be able to get some good rest and a break from being "mommy" so make sure that you and your husband share responsibility for all of your baby's needs! You each will need a break from time to time.

Do not feel guilty about what you two dream about for your baby. If you want specific themes, colors, carseats, strollers, toys and everything else, DO IT! Its your baby! Even if you change your mind about something.....you are still the ones who have to make your home and lives ready to welcome your little one.

Don't go through any of this alone!!!! Talk to your family. Share your concerns with them. And discuss the best way to handle all of this craziness with your mom.

My mother was never mean to me, and she and my father definitely were grateful to have my brother and I....but when I met my husband, during our engagement and wedding there was TONS of drama...and after we announced that we were expecting my grandmother and mother and aunt had their fair share of "intervening" and causing more drama. It was insane and I am not sure I have ever actually forgiven them for it. But I do know that all of their BS brought my husband and I closer together. We agreed on many things, but mostly on the fact that our little one was no one but our own and we were going to do what we wanted to do for her, no matter what anyone said or did.

I pray that life begins to destress for you. I pray that your mom can find some help for herself. And I hope that you, your husband and the rest of your family can enjoy this magical time in your life. Please, do not hesitate to continue to reach out to all of us here in the circle of moms! We are all here for you!