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Cecillia - posted on 02/17/2013

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With regards to aborted fetal cells, I know the chickenpox vaccine actually has residual amounts of the DNA and protein within the vaccine. Here's the package insert: http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circ... - "The product also contains residual components of MRC-5 cells including DNA and protein"

This study discusses infant mortality rates and vaccine schedules . . how the US has the highest infant mortality rate vs. other countries with a much lower infant mortality rate as well as a much different vaccine schedule: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles... - " These findings demonstrate a counter-intuitive relationship: nations that require more vaccine doses tend to have higher infant mortality rates."

This is a really interesting article discussing incidents of whooping cough occurring MORE in vaccinated children: http://vtdigger.org/2012/10/08/90-percen... and also a link discussing whooping cough becoming resistant to vaccinations: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/healt...

This link is a study done at the University of Pittsburgh on monkeys who receive the American schedule of MMR vaccine and develop autism like reactions: http://vactruth.com/2012/04/29/monkeys-g...

This link contains graphs that show these diseases (measles, mumps, etc) were actually already declining prior to vaccines being introduced. At the bottom of each graph is the source (a study) that you can either click on or copy and paste into Google: http://genesgreenbook.com/resources/obam...

At the end of the day, no one here can tell you what to do . . you need to do what you think is best for your child. At the very least, I honestly believe every parent as the right to be fully informed before giving their child anything, even Tylenol, and this goes especially with vaccines. In many cases, parents don't know the ingredients, possible side effects, or even the chances of getting these diseases and it's their right as a parent to be informed to make the best decision possible. Please feel free to message me if you want any more links/studies . . I have tons! :)

Best of luck with your pregnancy!

Joni - posted on 02/02/2013

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I can't believe people still believe vaccines don't cause autism.
Its not a matter of being irritable for a day its a matter of some being unable for thier rest of their lifes!

Skee - posted on 02/02/2013

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There are actually other studies that show vaccine triggers autism other then the one everyone is quick to point at. Try having a child with Autism before you say vaccines don't trigger it. If you want to inject your kids with toxic metals , more power to you! Vaccines ruined my child's life!

Skee - posted on 01/26/2013

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Jodi,

It is clear to me that you are very mainstream media bottle fed. I really didn't want to go here with you but since you choose to attack me I will.

First, let me correct myself, the CDC pays hundreds of millions a dollars a year to parents who has a child that has been harmed or died by vaccines.
Secondly, there are articles coming out every day showing more and more children being injured or dying from vaccines.
Additionally, I will respectfully disagree with you on the vaccines and autism. My youngest son was diagnosed with Autism shortly after receiving the MMR shot. He was a perfectly healthy normal developing baby boy up until that day. Once he received that vaccine, he changed completely. He quit saying mom, dad and talking all together. He started screaming and banging his head on the floor all day long. He no longer would eat any food you gave him. I can count on one hand the foods he will eat till this day. We now need to spend many hours a week with him at a special school, speech therapy, etc all because of this. You can say what you want but his Autism was a direct result of the toxic metals that I allowed to be injected into his bloodstream by these doctors. We have since been doing many things to reverse the effects of the metals. One is choosing to no longer vaccinate him, another getting the toxic metals removed from his body. Since then we have seen great progress in his recovery. This little girl is an example where vaccines caused Autism and the parents won: Hannah Poling

We can debate this for hours but I will not give you anymore of my time as it is clear you want to dismiss anything anyone says that is against vaccines. We all have a choice and if we choose not to inject our children with toxic chemicals than that is our right. I have a website dedicated to Autism. I have put in many hours, researched many articles and papers on the subject. I have tons of proof to show you otherwise however, I will not debate this with you any longer. My family has been changed forever because of the vaccines. There is no point in going back in forth with you. Until you have walked a day in the shoes of a parent with Autism you have no right to say you know 100% that Autism is not caused by vaccines.Also, it is kind of naive for you to say that all children would have Autism if it were the vaccines. To me it is no different then some people being allergic to peanut butter while others aren't. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe just maybe that SOME children are allergic to these ingredients that are in the vaccines and Autism is a result of it.


Search vaccines on natural news and others like it.

Not to mention that there are plenty of natural things on this earth that prevent these same diseases you mention. However, I'm sure you would dismiss anything I say about that so I won't waste my precious time on you with that subject.

In the beginning I simply stated that she should do her own research on these vaccines. The information is out there, she just needs to search for it. Ask what are the main ingredients in these shots is all I am saying. I'm done . Original poster you do the research then follow your mommy instinct on what's best for your child.

Richelle - posted on 01/25/2013

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Actually @ Jodi... There is quite a bit of evidence that SIDS is caused by vaccines. Here are some studies:
Torch, W.S., 1982. Diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus (DPT) immunization: a potential cause of the Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS). Neurology; 32(4): A169 abstract).

Torch, W.C., 1986 a. Characteristics of diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus (DPT) postvaccinal deaths and DPT-caused Sudden Infant Deaths Syndrome (SIDS): a review. Neurology (suppl 1); 36: 148 (abstract).

Torch, W.C., 1986 b. Diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus (DPT) imunization may be an unrecognized cause of Sudden Infant Death (SIDS) and Near-Miss Syndrome (NMS): 12 case reports. Neurology (suppl 1); 36: 149 (abstract).

Cherry, J.D. (1988), Brunell, P.A., Golden, G.S., Karzon, D.T., (1988), Report of the task force on pertussis and pertussis immunization, Pediatrics 81:6 Part 11 (June 1988) Supplement pp 936-984.
Excerpt: "The rate of severe reactions does not differ significantly between the acellular and whole-cell vaccines when used at 24 months of age. The decrease in severe reactions is slight, if any. The category "sudden death" is also instructive in that the entity disappeared following both whole-cell and acellular vaccines when immunisation was delayed until a child was 24 months of age. It is clear that delaying the initial vaccination until a child is 24 months, regardless of the type of vaccine, reduces most of the temporally associated severe adverse events."

Torch, one of the researchers into DPT vaccine and crib death, reported at the 34th annual meeting of the American Academy of Neurology that:

'DPT may be a generally unrecognized major cause of sudden infant and early childhood death, and that the risks of immunization may outweigh its potential benefits. A need for re-evaluation and possible modification of current vaccination procedures is indicated by this study.'

(Torch WC. Diphtheria-pertussis-tetanus (DPT) immu-nization: a potential cause of the sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). American Academy of Neurology, 34th Annual Meeting, Apr 25-May 1, 1982. Neurology 32(4): pt. 2).

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Diane - posted on 02/15/2013

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i only hope that this brick wall/dead horse discussion isnt freaking out the new mom-Original Poster.

Lucy - posted on 02/08/2013

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Jodi,

There is cellular debris from the aborted fetus cells in vaccines, this is well known. It's unavoidable.

Lucy - posted on 02/08/2013

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Jodi "I assume you ladies don't eat fish then ;) "

Come on, let's up the level of the science in this debate. Please do not compare apples and oranges; you can not compare orally consuming mercury with having it injected through the skin.

Skee - posted on 02/03/2013

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There are plenty of other foods beside fish that offer great health benefits, just saying

Jodi - posted on 02/02/2013

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And yet you don't recognise the health benefits? How could I have guessed ;)

Joni - posted on 02/02/2013

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No jodi I nor my children have ever eaten fish! Will not eat it not only does it stink but not too fond of the risks that come with it.

Skee - posted on 02/02/2013

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Exactly Joni, my son will never be able to function like children without autism do, he was robbed of that! Research what aliminum and the other toxins in these vaccines do to the human body, you will see an alarming similarity to autism.

Jodi - posted on 02/02/2013

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Just want to make sure the ACTUAL facts are out there, as opposed to the *facts* according to conspiracy theorists.

"Aborted Human Fetus Cells
Vaccines do not contain human cells or tissue. Human cell lines are used in the early stages of production of some vaccines because viruses need a living cell in which to grow. These cell lines were derived from fetal tissue more than 40 years ago. The same two cell lines are reproduced and used repeatedly so that no new fetal tissue is required in the ongoing production of vaccines. As with all viral vaccines, multiple purification steps ensure that cells
are not in the final vaccine product."

"Monkey Kidneys
There are no monkey kidneys in vaccines. Monkey kidney tissue is used to support the growth of certain viruses for making vaccines; for example, it was used to support the growth of the weakened polio virus that went into the oral polio vaccine. Multiple purification steps ensure that no kidney cells are present in the final product. "

http://www.immunize.org/concerns/vaccine...

Michelle - posted on 02/02/2013

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I can't believe that people still think that vaccinations are responsible for Autism.

I have vaccinated all 3 of my children because I would rather them be irritable for a day than to die of a disease that was preventable. I couldn't live with myself if that happened to any of my children.

Joni - posted on 02/02/2013

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My mil use to believe in vaccines as well then when my middle son got diagnosed with autism she begain her own research @ the time my youngest just got his 4 months vaccines I then decided on my own that he would no longer receive vaccines. My mil begain to tell me how I better get him vaccinated then I asked her to come over and watch viedos of my middle son (who was just diagnosed with autism)right before his vaccines and the weekks following. After she saw the changes she changed her mind then started researching and told me not to allow the dr.s to vaccinate my youngest.
My mil is a R.N. and has been for over 20 yrs. She doesn't tell other people to not vaccinate but tells them to do their own reseach before the decide rather they want to or not.

Lucy - posted on 02/02/2013

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@ Diane Nielson

Please research as much as you can, be careful which information to trust as the dirty tentacles of the pharmaceuticals have an incredibly long reach. I used to believe in vaccines just like you do, however after seeing my sister die following her anti-tetanus vaccine I began my research. Initially I still agreed with certain vaccines, however as my research continued the results were so disturbing I've come to realize that vaccines are a crime against humanity.

Lya - posted on 02/01/2013

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Please check out information researched by Dr. Lawrence Palevsky and Gary Null's movie 'Vaccine Nation' before you make your decision.

Joni - posted on 02/01/2013

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Yes there is money kindneys and aborted fetus in vaccines go directly to the cdc website and read! Don't believe there isn't check for yourself!

Diane - posted on 02/01/2013

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PLEASE VACCINATE! for the sake of your child, her future friends, and yourself! How would you feel if she died of one of the many horrible diseases that can so easily be prevented? It would wreck you.

and you cannot get sick from a vaccination: the germs in them are dead; they cannot get you sick.

they do not cause autism: its been proven over and over again there is no causation there! (and the scientist who originally claimed there was, has admitted to fraud and lying!

if youre concerned over too many shots/substances at one, there are alternative vaccine schedules that spread it out differently. Look into it. Ask the pediatrician, read books (TheVaccine Book, by Sears http://www.amazon.com/The-Vaccine-Book-D... is a great one)

at the very least, educate youself to know what your decision means for your family/the world, not matter what decision it is. You also have the choice of choosing which vaccines to do and which not...so if you have a strong concern over one, it doesnt mean you cant do the others.

but, honestly i pray you vaccinate. too many children have been dying due to not getting vaccinated. its sad, and scary.

good luck

Lucy - posted on 01/28/2013

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Jodi "the S in SIDS stands for Sudden, which equates to unexplainable"

So if a person dies suddenly in a car crash, is it unexplainable? Is a sudden heart attack unexplainable? The word 'Sudden' can mean unexpected, which is quite different to 'unexplained'. We can unexpectedly die from a vaccine, as the majority of people do not die from the vaccine; hence a death from vaccine damage can be accurately described as 'Sudden' if it happens fast enough.

Lucy - posted on 01/28/2013

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Jodi "Quite clearly, Lucy, you have no idea how the Australian political system works, you have no idea how the Australian health system works, and you quite clearly have no idea how the Australian tax system works."

You are saying it's all charity then, nobody making money from the vaccines? Come on, let's not be naive Jodi.

Jodi "Your claims are ludicrous, and can't be proven, and as I said, it makes ZERO economic sense in my country to be injecting people with aids and cancer causing viruses.....that's just fucking stupid."

It makes financial sense to the people who profit from your sickness; in order to increase profit they have to first sow the seeds of disease. Both Cancer and HIV are serious business!

Jodi "And there are no monkey kidneys and aborted fetuses in vaccines. They are total myths. Grown on the cell lines of two fetuses WAY back in the 1960s, but not cells FROM aborted fetuses."

You have to understand that there is cellular debris from the fetuses in the vaccines, to avoid that contamination is near impossible.

Jodi - posted on 01/28/2013

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I am fully aware of where the aborted fetal tissue originated. The cells involved in the development of vaccines are not the cells OF the aborted fetus, but cell LINES of the aborted fetus (think generations), and there are no actual aborted fetus cells IN the vaccines. You just proved my point, thank you.

Skee - posted on 01/28/2013

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"And there are no monkey kidneys and aborted fetuses in vaccines. They are total myths. Grown on the cell lines of two fetuses WAY back in the 1960s, but not cells FROM aborted fetuses."


Straight from the CDC website:
"Helping these patients understand the origin and nature of fetal tissue used in vaccine cultures might reduce their discomfort about receiving MMR.

The rubella vaccine virus (used in MMR and single-antigen rubella vaccine) is cultured in human cell-line cultures, and some of these cell lines originated from aborted fetal tissue, obtained from legal abortions in the 1960's."


"The RA 27/3 rubella vaccine is a live attenuated virus. It was first isolated in 1965 at the Wistar Institute from a rubella-infected aborted fetus. The virus was attenuated by 25–30
passages in tissue culture, using human diploid fibroblasts. It does not contain duck, chicken or egg protein."

Jodi - posted on 01/28/2013

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I'm getting off this crazy train. Quite clearly, Lucy, you have no idea how the Australian political system works, you have no idea how the Australian health system works, and you quite clearly have no idea how the Australian tax system works. Your claims are ludicrous, and can't be proven, and as I said, it makes ZERO economic sense in my country to be injecting people with aids and cancer causing viruses.....that's just fucking stupid. I hope you are well stocked with tin-foil.

Joni, for the record, the S in SIDS stands for Sudden, which equates to unexplainable. And there are no monkey kidneys and aborted fetuses in vaccines. They are total myths. Grown on the cell lines of two fetuses WAY back in the 1960s, but not cells FROM aborted fetuses.

Lucy - posted on 01/28/2013

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"i saw vaccinate. if you don't and your child does end up getting something covered by the vaccine you will probably feel really bad as it was likely preventable. also, if enough people choose not to vaccinate their kids there will be a re-emergence of diseases like measles, mumps and pertussis that have previously been pretty much eradicated in North America "

A parent will feel bad too if their child dies of Cot Death, goes down with Autism or Diabetes Type 1.

Measles is nothing to worry about if you are healthy and well-nourished. Pertussis is not nice, but the vaccine can cause Cot Death which makes the vaccine more dangerous. Make sure boys get Mumps as early as possible so as not to damage their fertility. (Keep in mind most vaccines have 'unknown' affects on fertility.)

Rachael - posted on 01/28/2013

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i saw vaccinate. if you don't and your child does end up getting something covered by the vaccine you will probably feel really bad as it was likely preventable. also, if enough people choose not to vaccinate their kids there will be a re-emergence of diseases like measles, mumps and pertussis that have previously been pretty much eradicated in North America

Lucy - posted on 01/28/2013

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"Well there ya go it leads back to vaccines.
"Point proven"."

Agreed Joni, when you get time here's an informative video, this lady sums up what's going on perfectly.

Vaccines-The True Weapons Of Mass Destruction

Lucy - posted on 01/28/2013

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"Like I said obvisously it doesn't affect every child or every child would have autism. Maybe the one with weaker immune systems?? "

Joni,

It's the children with the best immune systems who are damaged by vaccines, this is because vaccination is an unnatural process which the body does not expect, so when the immune system detects the cluster of foreign substances it quickly goes into action trying to create immunity to them. The danger with this is that if a child has a very strong immune system, it can create antibodies to cells of the aborted fetus, since these are incredibly similar to the cells inside the child, there will then be autoimmunity, meaning that the child's immune system has antibodies to cells within their own body. The latest research is showing that vaccine-induced Autism does look to be an autoimmune disease.

The same process is the reason why Diabetes Type 1, MS, Asthma and Eczema can all be caused by vaccines. Whereas Cot Death is due to nerve damage from the Whopping Cough vaccine.

The countries that use peanut oil in their vaccines have people with peanut allergies, whereas the countries that make their vaccines with sesame oil have people with allergies to sesame. It's clear what's going on here.

Joni - posted on 01/28/2013

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A just for the record sids isn't unexplainable their is usually a reason for the death it happens suddenly "s" in infant "I" when they die "d".
If it couldn't be explained they call it unexplainable death syndrome.

Joni - posted on 01/28/2013

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We could have this debate all day everyday and you can believe what you want. You nor anyone else could ever change my mind. I know for a fact that it was the vaccines that caused my son to have autism.
You wasn't an explaination well explain to me why he was perfectly fine before his vaccines then within a week he stopped talking,babbling,and responding to a smile???
He had a fever for 10 days and 7 of the ten days it was at 101.9+.
I would be happy to share my home viedos with anyone who doesn't believe it was the vaccines. I have viedo from right before to everyday after for 2 months following the vaccines.
Like I said obvisously it doesn't affect every child or every child would have autism. Maybe the one with weaker immune systems?? Who knows?
Jenny Mc Carthys son has autism and her books will tell you that its believe to be from vaccines and if you have ever heard of a dan dr.s which are m.d.'s they also believe its from vaccines.
You go ahead and put monkey kindneys,aborted fetus(which is why they will never out law abortions),formadahide,and all the other nasty stuff that's listed on the cdc website. I have 3 children my oldest and middle son has had their vaccines my youngest has not. He hasn't died from anything he is perfectly @15 months and hasn't never once had an ear infection.
Yea you may get free health care from you goverment but guess what they don't care what the vaccines do to your children its a win win for them the pharmaceutial/goverment work together to put money in their pocket. You think it cost the goverment for your so called free health care your wrong it paid by tax payers so the goverment isn't affected by anything?
Someone ask my opion I will give it no I don't have all the answers to why vaccines are possiably harmful all I can say it what I had to witness with my own eyes and like I said if anyone would like to come to my home a join me on the couch they can witness what happened to my son. I have before and after viedos I would be glad to share them. I have shared them with many friends and family members. If I had a way I would upload them to you tube and share our experiance with the world.
Good day and best wishes!

Lucy - posted on 01/28/2013

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"I come from a country where healthcare is free. Why would our government inject us with diseases that they would have to spend billions treating? Can't answer that, can you? "

You think the Pharmaceuticals in your country are working free of charge, all volunteers, a charity? Allow me to explain.

In a country where medicine is socialized such as the UK, just because the NHS gives the patient a treatment 'for free' it has actually still been paid for by the tax system. The sicker the population get, the more money that the NHS has to pay to the Pharmaceuticals for their treatments. The Pharmaceuticals still get richer.

The Pharmaceuticals donate large sums to all political parties in the UK, this allows them to get away with self-regulation; keeping them safe from independent inquiry.

Jodi - posted on 01/28/2013

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I come from a country where healthcare is free. Why would our government inject us with diseases that they would have to spend billions treating? Can't answer that, can you?

Lucy - posted on 01/28/2013

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"Deliberately spreading cancer? Dear God. What the fuck have you been smoking?"

Given they they were caught deliberately spreading HIV, why would it be hard to believe that they would deliberately spread Cancer? This is business and vaccines are a serious conflict of interest for the Pharmaceuticals who profit when we get sick.

Jodi - posted on 01/28/2013

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Deliberately spreading cancer? Dear God. What the fuck have you been smoking?

Lucy - posted on 01/28/2013

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"Vaccines also do NOT cause cancer. You can also NOT back that one up with any research."

The former head of the Merck vaccine division found a Cancer-causing virus inside vaccines. The inserts on the majority of vaccines says they have not been tested for carcinogenicity. So, what's really going on here? Would you accept a vaccine which said "Not tested for Polio"? or "Not tested for Smallpox"? One would hope not, buy most people don't read the inserts. The Pharmaceuticals put the information there in case at some point in the future it is officially proven that their vaccines are Carcinogenic, so as they don't have to pay out $Billions. It is not that they don't test, it is that they are deliberately spreading Cancer as it's highly profitable. i.e. over $1K per month for treatment.

Jodi - posted on 01/28/2013

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Vaccines also do NOT cause cancer. You can also NOT back that one up with any research.

But I bet you can back it up with correlations. 'm betting 80% of all child cancer patients had vaccinations. Am I right?

Jodi - posted on 01/28/2013

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**sigh**

They are NOT the "cause" of cot death. Cot death has been regularly correlated with various risk factors. It is merely correlated as a "potential risk factor" (along with MANY other things) not a cause.

I wonder why it has been identified as a potential risk factor. Oh, that's right, because there are a reasonable percentage of cot deaths (cause of death unidentifiable) following vaccinations. BUT, given that infants receive vaccinations every couple of months, there is a fair chance ANYWAY that an unexplainable death (SIDS) will occur shortly after a vaccination. See how correlation works? It isn't evidence.

As I have said several times now, and no-one has deigned it important enough to respond.....if there were no vaccines, there would be MORE children dying of the disease than would be dying of any vaccines. Would you still be so keen then to see vaccines as unworthy? Or is it only because your child is so much less likely to actually contract the disease now anyway?

So please, at the very least, back YOUR message up with real facts, not correlations.

Did you know SIDS is called SIDS because no-one actually knows what causes it or why the infants die? That's right. If the cause was known, it wouldn't be called SIDS.

Lucy - posted on 01/28/2013

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"You're right, I don't. But I can still quite confidently say I'd rather that than a dead child. I don't think I need to have a child with autism to KNOW that. "

If you don't want a dead child then don't vaccinate, vaccines are known to be the cause of Cot Death, they are also Carcinogenic; when a young child has Cancer it's one of the saddest things.

Jodi - posted on 01/27/2013

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"Who ever says they would rather chance their child having autism then not too vaccinate has no idea what is like to have a child with autism."

You're right, I don't. But I can still quite confidently say I'd rather that than a dead child. I don't think I need to have a child with autism to KNOW that.

Joni - posted on 01/27/2013

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In my opion I would not vaccinate.
Its risky either way. I have 3 children. My first son did well with his shots,my 2nd son didn't get that lucky at his check up his got more shots ran a fever for 10 days slept,cried and was restless. After fever went away and he was with it I noticed that he lost his speech and babbling skills fast forward @ 2 1/2 still no more words. November 2012 diagnosed with autism?
No I do not believe that its all to blame on vaccines but vaccines is what caused it. I think that a child has to have a certain gene or dna for the vaccines to cause it but no one can be certain.
I also have another son who is 15 months old and has never received one vaccine he is perfectly healthy. He has a vocabulary of 12 words and is ahead on gross/fine motor skills and social skills as well.
He has not had any serious sickness. He has had a minor cold and the flu but has done well recovering. However I choose to breastfeed him because I wasn't vaccinating him. The chance of your child catching something that will cause death is slim to none. Chance of developing autism 1 in 88.
What's so much diffrant now than in the 80s? When I was a child I got 1 single shot at a time and a total of 8. Now babies get like 8 at a time and a total of like 32 or 36?
Autism in the 80s was like 1 in 10,000 now 1 in 88. They blame the enviroment but come on really the air is cleaner today than it was in the 80s?
Do more research on line don't go by what all of us has posted here. Go to the cdc website and read what is in the vaccines then decide for yourself. I will tell you the dr isn't going to like it if you decide not to vaccinate at least my sons ped didn't.
An italian court ruled that vaccines caused autism in a little boy but the U.S. and U.K. won't acknoledge it.
Who ever says they would rather chance their child having autism then not too vaccinate has no idea what is like to have a child with autism. Its heart breaking I will tell you to watch your child struggle with daily activities while you watch their younger peer do things that they can not do with ease.
Autism in children is a sad thing. I have read blogs where parents have waited to vaccinate their children and afterwards they start seizing become hospitalized and for some reason they just developed autism @ the age (example) 3,5 or 7? Come on tell me vaccines didn't cause it.
Opinons are like a$$holes everyone has one. Do your own research and used your best judgement.
Congrats on your new baby and best wishes!

Skee - posted on 01/26/2013

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I'm done! I'm against vaccines and that's my right!
As I stated before, I can go back and forth with you for hours about this subject but I will not because it is a waste of my time.
As far as allergic reaction goes, if my children turn out to be allergic to anything then I immediately stop giving them whatever it may be, this time it just so happen to be that my child is allergic to aliminum, Formaldehyde and Mercury being injected into his body, so he is done with vaccines! Before you tell me im crazy they don't use that in them, it is right on the CDC website that they do.

Every parent has the right to know what is in vaccines but many are Choosing to blindly accept vaccines without seeing what's in them.

I have done a lot of research on this subject and every time it shows that these ingredients are why we have a lot of the medical problems we see today. So save your argument for someone else because you will not change my mind.

Vaccines are the reason my son has Autism! My child is now disabled for the rest of his life and the toxic metals that were main lined into his body are the culprit.

Jodi - posted on 01/26/2013

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"To me it is no different then some people being allergic to peanut butter while others aren't. Has it ever occurred to you that maybe just maybe that SOME children are allergic to these ingredients that are in the vaccines and Autism is a result of it."

I just wanted to come back to this one for a moment, because neither is your argument logical. Have you never fed your child peanut butter? Have you never fed your child milk, or eggs, or any of those other foods that children are commonly allergic to (there is a pretty long list)? Do you choose not to feed those things to your children because they might react to them? Or do you just choose to wait a bit longer than usual, maybe until they are 2 and their immune system is a little more developed, because perhaps you have a family history of allergies? Are you seeing my point?

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"It is clear to me that you are very mainstream media bottle fed."

Really? Because I don't agree with you? Because I choose to quote the World Health Organisation? Please. I don't get my information from the media. I have done my own research. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I haven't. I have also studied statistics at university. So please don't patronise me. I know exactly how many of these studies correlate this information. I don't think you are quite understanding the difference between "causation" and "correlation".

"since you choose to attack me"

I did not attack you. I addressed your post. If I had chosen to attack you, you'd know about it, AND it would be against community guidelines, so no, I did not attack "you". But you very clearly attacked me by suggesting I don't do my research.

"Additionally, I will respectfully disagree with you on the vaccines and autism. My youngest son was diagnosed with Autism shortly after receiving the MMR shot. He was a perfectly healthy normal developing baby boy up until that day."

Your personal experience does not make it so.

"Search vaccines on natural news and others like it."

Of course! Because like the media, they are also very unbiased.

"Until you have walked a day in the shoes of a parent with Autism you have no right to say you know 100% that Autism is not caused by vaccines."

I'd rather my child have autism than die of polio or whooping cough. Talk about walk a mile in someone's shoes - have you ever known anyone with polio? Or lost their child to whooping cough? Unfortunately it is becoming more common. Vaccine injury is RARE. It exists, but it is is a VERY small percentage of children. If people stop giving vaccines, unfortunately, more children will die.

You have evidently chosen not to address my very REAL question/dilemma. So I will repeat:

"But the alternative is allowing these diseases to again become commonplace. Ask yourself what would happen if no-one vaccinated. That's right, the diseases would become common, and diseases such as whooping cough, which is one of the most highly contagious diseases for which we vaccinate, would kill MANY, MANY more children than have been injured by the vaccine. Can you see now, how the risks of the vaccine are less than the risks of the disease?"

"By choosing NOT to vaccinate, you are choosing that you would rather see thousands of children a year dying or becoming critically ill from the disease. " (And just to clarify, "you" has been used in the general sense of the word "you" not directed at any individual in particular).

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No-one is saying vaccines don't cause injury on the rare occasion. But claiming that is "causes" SIDS (correlation does NOT equal causation) and "causes" autism, and all of this other propoganda is simply NOT the truth. Firstly, if it was the "cause" of these things, then EVERY child who had the immunisations would be dying of SIDS or have autism, and so on. Secondly, no-one, not you, not the researchers, not the doctors, NO-ONE knows what causes these things. There are merely correlated risk factors. Is this a concept so many people have such difficulty understanding? The difference between CAUSE and correlated RISK FACTORS?

I will agree that there is such a thing as vaccine injury, as will anyone who supports vaccination. But it is very, very rare. So rare, in fact, that the risk of dying from the disease if you catch it is actually statistically significantly higher that the risk of vaccine injury.

But the alternative is allowing these diseases to again become commonplace. Ask yourself what would happen if no-one vaccinated. That's right, the diseases would become common, and diseases such as whooping cough, which is one of the most highly contagious diseases for which we vaccinate, would kill MANY, MANY more children than have been injured by the vaccine. Can you see now, how the risks of the vaccine are less than the risks of the disease?

By choosing NOT to vaccinate, you are choosing that you would rather see thousands of children a year dying or becoming critically ill from the disease. How very noble of you.

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There is quite a bit of evidence that vaccines cause a number of health problems and deaths.....the CDC pays out millions each year because of the damage

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I personally choose not to vaccinate. I'm not going to get into a fighting match about this. However, after doing research on these vaccines, I decided that my children's immune system will not be infected with the crap that is in these shots. Do your own research and decide what is best for your child. I would ask for an ingredients list of what is in each shot, you may be surprised.

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No, Richelle, there are many causes of SIDS, and none can be ultimately determined in any one individual case. These studies are merely correlations. There are also many other correlations they have made with SIDS identifying potential causes (see that word "potential" in the studies??? The word "potential" has been used for a reason). Smoking parents is also a potential cause. As is the way you swaddle your baby. And so on. There is absolutely NO evidence to say that it IS a cause.

Now, having said that, I bring to your attention this article by the World Health Organisation:

"One myth that won't seem to go away is that DTP vaccine causes sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS). This belief came about because a moderate proportion of children who die of SIDS have recently been vaccinated with DTP; on the surface, this seems to point toward a causal connection. This logic is faulty however; you might as well say that eating bread causes car crashes, since most drivers who crash their cars could probably be shown to have eaten bread within the past 24 hours.

If you consider that most SIDS deaths occur during the age range when three shots of DTP are given, you would expect DTP shots to precede a fair number of SIDS deaths simply by chance. In fact, when a number of well-controlled studies were conducted during the 1980s, the investigators found, nearly unanimously, that the number of SIDS deaths temporally associated with DTP vaccination was within the range expected to occur by chance. In other words, the SIDS deaths would have occurred even if no vaccinations had been given.

In fact, in several of the studies, children who had recently received a DTP shot were less likely to get SIDS. The Institute of Medicine reported that "all controlled studies that have compared immunized versus non-immunized children have found either no association . . . or a decreased risk . . . of SIDS among immunized children" and concluded that "the evidence does not indicate a causal relation between [DTP] vaccine and SIDS."

Looking at risk alone is not enough however - you must always look at both risks and benefits. Even one serious adverse effect in a million doses of vaccine cannot be justified if there is no benefit from the vaccination. If there were no vaccines, there would be many more cases of disease, and along with them, more serious side effects and more deaths. For example, according to an analysis of the benefit and risk of DTP immunization, if there was no immunization program in the United States, pertussis cases could increase 71-fold and deaths due to pertussis could increase four-fold. Comparing the risk from disease with the risk from the vaccines can give us an idea of the benefits we get from vaccinating our children.

http://www.who.int/immunization_safety/a...

See how that works? It is faulty correlation. And see how for every study you pull out that links the two, I can find more that will verify it is a myth. So no, there is no evidence at all. Merely correlations that have been appropriately manipulated. It's actually very easy to do.

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Is trading Whooping Couch for Cot Death a fair trade? Polio has been renamed so as it doesn't show up in statistics, most cases of Polio come from the Polio vaccine, as Salk himself testified and as it states on the WHO website.

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