Vaccinations

Nikki - posted on 04/18/2009 ( 75 moms have responded )

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Ok so I know that many people are not going to agree with my decision to not vaccinate my son, however this is MY decision. My family is against it and I don't frown on people that do, nor do I lecture! My son is in the Military for goodness sakes we know that he is pumped full of them. I just cannot stand when I go to see a Doctor and they lecture me. I have read tons of material and I myself haven't been vaccinated since birth! Just had to rant....thanks for listening!!

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Jamie - posted on 04/22/2009

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Im scratching my head as to why people post these types of things knowing its only going to cause drama. I think its just silly. Just like spanking, no matter what names are called or what links are posted you arent going to change anyones mind, and "venting" on here is only going to get more people that disagree with you to bitch at you for it so in a sense your asking for the drama.

Jacklyn - posted on 04/19/2009

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I would have to agree that it is your decision. But let me just say this... People who didn't get vaccinated 20 yrs ago were definitely the minority. In smaller numbers than today by far. They were protected because everyone else around them did get vaccinated so nothing ever spread. But, now that it is becoming more popular not to vaccinate your children we are going to start seeing a comeback of outbreaks such as Polio, Diphtheria, Pertussis, etc, and strains that we haven't even thought about. Not to mention everyday viruses such as hepatitis A and B. These are more common and can easily be transfered on a daily basis. Why wouldn't you want to protect your children from dying of something that could have been prevented? I know that people are worried about Autism and it is a valid concern. Autism is horrible and a life long struggle for parents and children. The FDA has taken mercury out of vaccines due to the possibility of it causing autism. 40-50 yrs ago there wasn't much research on Autism and not that many people diagnosed with the disorder. But as research and knowledge increases they are diagnosing more children recently. It might be a correlation between scientific knowledge and children being diagnosed then to the actual vaccines they are receiving. It is still your decision. I just hope and pray that these diseases that we are being vaccinated against do not return and the debate on this subject will be moot.

Kate CP - posted on 05/17/2009

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Quoting Mary:



Quoting Bonnie:

she is healthy now, and she may not get any of these illnesses because most of the people around her are vaccinated, and im not just talking about family, but also strangers in a shopping centre. So all of you who do not vaccinate should thank those who do, we are keeping you safe.





Thats not true, your not keeping us safe! you know when the world began there was no vaccinations, long ago there waas no vaccinations. The Maker of this universe knew what He was doing when he designed the body. He designed the body to naturally fight off these illnesses! When you get a vaccinations they are actually injecting your child with that virus! Now you say that when I don't vaccinate my son that I am not protecting him, well why in the world would I want to inject him with a virus? I think that your the one putting your son at a risk!





Most vaccines don't contain a live virus. Also, the maker of this universe also created viruses and superbugs. We were blessed with the ability to create ways to help the body fight off or even prevent these infections. The human body is NOT perfect. I know mine's not. I can't fight off any infection without the aid of antibiotics or cell growth stimulators. If it weren't for vaccines and antibiotics I'd be dead by now.

Mary - posted on 05/17/2009

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Quoting Bonnie:

she is healthy now, and she may not get any of these illnesses because most of the people around her are vaccinated, and im not just talking about family, but also strangers in a shopping centre. So all of you who do not vaccinate should thank those who do, we are keeping you safe.


Thats not true, your not keeping us safe! you know when the world began there was no vaccinations, long ago there waas no vaccinations. The Maker of this universe knew what He was doing when he designed the body. He designed the body to naturally fight off these illnesses! When you get a vaccinations they are actually injecting your child with that virus! Now you say that when I don't vaccinate my son that I am not protecting him, well why in the world would I want to inject him with a virus? I think that your the one putting your son at a risk!

Kate CP - posted on 04/30/2009

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I do have to ask: are you planning on giving him a tetanus booster?

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There never used to be vaccinations, true. But things were not fine! People died, diseases ran rife, that have basically been wiped out now. But not quite....and now we are having outbreaks of whooping cough in Australia again because the new 'fad' is not to vaccinate. If you go to your local childrens hospital and see the kids struggling to breathe with whooping cough, tears streaming down their tiny little faces, I bet you'd rethink your decision. The drop in vaccination rates is 'coincidentally' coinciding with the increase in whooping cough..... nobody thinks it will happen to their child....

Arwen - posted on 05/16/2009

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I was talking to my dad just about this today. He's a fifth grade teacher, and has taught every grade K-12. It is possible to have a reaction to shots, no one denies that. The bad thing about not getting them is that most states require you to have them before going to school. If you think 2 or 3 shots at a time is bad, 25-30 right before kindergarten is 10 times worse. If you're really worried, space them out. I read you can even get the MMR seperated.



It's also true that some vaccinations don't take. I've had Rubella vacines over 5 times, and I'm still not immune. Never had the illness, but blood tests show that it just never took.

Maryrose - posted on 05/16/2009

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Quoting Rachel:

Things are coming back up because more people are choosing not to vaccinate. Personally, I don't think any unvaccinated child should be allowed into public schools. Now that some of these diseases are popping back up, they are putting people at risk. The risks of vaccinating are so low. Vaccinations do not cause things like autism, they only trigger it a little earlier than it would have shown up because that gene was already there. I vaccinate because I want my children safe. I feel it is my duty to vaccinate to keep my kids and other kids that come around them safe.


Well though I understand your train of thoughts, my 9 year old is a high funtioning autistic. Which was caused by the high levels of murcuery they used in all vaccines back in 1999, and the doctors tried telling me that it wasnt possible, that it was caused from an atistic gene in my family and that her starting to show atistic signs by almost 2 was just a cowincindance, that the signs of autisim can start that early. Yet there is no autisim in my or her fathers medical history dated back 3 generations! (at least that long if not further back) so you tell me why my oldest (who was fully vaccinated) is currently attending special classes and has been since head start, and my second child who is almost 2 years old (never vaccinated) knows colors, shapes, and can follow 2 step directions? I will tell you why so many diseases are coming back, it's caused from illegal immagrants that move into your neighborhood that bring those diseases with them!

Maryrose - posted on 05/16/2009

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Quoting Lucy:

Hi, I questioned vaccinating my daughter she is now 2 but I did in the end...I am glad I did as my Son has caught whooping cough and Haempholis Influenza (HIB) at the age of 5 weeks he is now 14 weeks and has serious problems coughing and breathing at night. He was admitted as he has coughing bouts which make him go blue and he coughs for about 20 mins at a time....There are a few reasons he could of caught it but the main is the fact other people don't vaccinate their children....If its what you believe then stand by it but I really hope your child does not catch the whooping cough as it is very distressing for them and the whole family.... Good Luck!!


did you know that even if you vaccinate againgst something there is still a chance of getting it anyways? My friends were all vaccinated and still almost died from whooping cough! they were re-vaccinated and caught it again less then a year later, the second time almost killed them. I just thought I would let you know this little bit of info.

Maryrose - posted on 05/16/2009

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it really is sad when your child's doctor really isnt looking out for their best interest! I have been lucky to find a pediatrician that understands my feelings about not vaccinating my two youngest ones! Not many parents know that they have a right (legal right) to say no!!! all You have to tell your child's doctor is that you don't believe in vaccinations and that it's against your beliefs. In regards to the vitamin K shot, I have nothing bad to say with getting it. It is a good idea in my opinion, its not like subjecting your child to multiple LIVE viruses at such a young age.I also want to say that i understand why parents vaccinate their kids, but please wait until your child is a little older then 4 or 5years old! This way your child can strengthen their immune system not not get as sick from the shots.

Nikki - posted on 05/16/2009

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I'm sorry to hear that about your oldest. My son also did get the vitamin k shot in the hospital. I have just read so much literature and listened to people tell their horror stories about what has happend to them or their kids from the vaccinations and there are more of them then children actually getting the diesase. I love when people say talk to your doctor!! They get kick backs from the pharmasutical

Maryrose - posted on 05/06/2009

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Nikki,

I completely agree with you as to not vaccinate your child, I have three girls...my oldest was vaccinated up until she was 4yrs, I regret it to this day! She is now 9yrs old and ever since she was school aged she has had to be evaluated every year, ungone behavioral, emotional, phycological, etc exams to figure out what her disability is. To this day doctors have not been able to give me a solid diagnosis, except to say i should put her on meds or give her different drugs to "help her focus". She is doing well in school but have to be in a small class room where the teachers can easily re-direct her to focus on the task at hand. my 1 and a half yr old has never been vaccinated, she did get a vitimin K shot in the hospital, but that was all. I can honestly see the difference between the two! And now with my third child who has had heart surgery at 5 days old will not be vaccinated either!!! When I paced the halls of the hospital where my daughter was staying I got to know several other parents, there when this one mother in particular that upset me. She had been admitting her 3yr old son left and right into hospitals for that rino flu...and she had vaccinated him several times for this and still continued to listen to her childs doctor and give him booster shots of the vaccine!!! When will people learn that a vaccine isnt there to prevent a disease from entering a child, it is a live virus being pushed into your childs veins and hopeing that their body will fight it off "naturally".... I recommand that anyone who decides not to vaccinate their children that they give them DHA and ERA to help with the brain functions. My 1 yr old loves taking her barleans soft chew flavored vitamins twice a day everyday!!!

Rachel - posted on 05/05/2009

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I think this is one of those "hits a nerve" topics...because pretty much every mom has to deal with the question and choice of vaccination. I say, do what you feel is right, and stick to it! Life is full of tough choices...this is just one of them!

Rachel - posted on 05/05/2009

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Things are coming back up because more people are choosing not to vaccinate. Personally, I don't think any unvaccinated child should be allowed into public schools. Now that some of these diseases are popping back up, they are putting people at risk. The risks of vaccinating are so low. Vaccinations do not cause things like autism, they only trigger it a little earlier than it would have shown up because that gene was already there. I vaccinate because I want my children safe. I feel it is my duty to vaccinate to keep my kids and other kids that come around them safe.

Susan - posted on 05/05/2009

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my daughter has not been vaccinated either...I get lectured by some people but all I say is shes my daughter and this is my choice so thank you for your concern but I am sticking to my decision:)

Kate CP - posted on 05/01/2009

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Okay, you can get tetanus from any kind of serious cut. If you son ever needs stitches, he'll probably have to have a tetanus shot.

Nikki - posted on 05/01/2009

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I absolutely am not assuming that everyone who chooses to vaccintate is not informed. I am however backing up the reasons that I myself do not want to. Mercury has been taken out of some brands of each vaccination, however there are a few that still have full doses and only one brand is avaialble. Also if you don't know that the other brands exist how will you choose for your child, the Dr. isn't going to give you this information unless you ask. And I honestly don't care how it is metabolized I am not going to inject or feed it to my child! And yes the formaldehyde used in the embaling process is the exact same as what is being put into the immunizations. Obviously it's a smaller amount because the injections are small and have several ingredients in them, but it's there! I'm glad that you stand firm in your choice to vaccinate I respect your decision as you should respect mine! As for tetnis once again your child starts to receive this combo at 2 months old I don't know where you are letting your childlay around but I know that mine was around no rusty nails and was not around one of the 50-100 people that got it in this last year that he has been alive.


Quoting Jenifer:

Nikki, why do you assume that those of us who vaccinate are not informed about the vaccines and the diseases themselves? To be honest, I'm a bit surprised by some of the information that you've put out in this thread. Mercury for example - you are aware that thimerosal is hasn't been in childhood vaccines in quite a while, right? And that the ethyl mercury in thimerosal is metabolized quite differently than the methyl mercury in tuna. And do you really believe that the formaldehyde in a vaccine is equivalent to what is used in the embalming process? Your body produces more formaldehyde via your metabolism than you get in the vaccines. If there were any serious harm from vaccinations, I'd think that one of the many epidemiological studies and clinical trials would have picked up on this.

As for comparing risk from vaccines to risk from the diseases - you make a good point there. I've compared the risks, and I have no doubts about my choice to vaccinate. Since tetanus was brought up - about 1 in 50 people with tetanus dies. The TDaP vaccine has about 1 in 10 chance of giving the child a slight fever. This one seemed like a pretty simple choice for me. Especially considering how much the tetanus rate has dropped since the introduction of the vaccine. Here's a nice comparison of the relative risk:

http://www.wagpnetwork.com.au/client_ima...


 

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Nikki, why do you assume that those of us who vaccinate are not informed about the vaccines and the diseases themselves? To be honest, I'm a bit surprised by some of the information that you've put out in this thread. Mercury for example - you are aware that thimerosal is hasn't been in childhood vaccines in quite a while, right? And that the ethyl mercury in thimerosal is metabolized quite differently than the methyl mercury in tuna. And do you really believe that the formaldehyde in a vaccine is equivalent to what is used in the embalming process? Your body produces more formaldehyde via your metabolism than you get in the vaccines. If there were any serious harm from vaccinations, I'd think that one of the many epidemiological studies and clinical trials would have picked up on this.

As for comparing risk from vaccines to risk from the diseases - you make a good point there. I've compared the risks, and I have no doubts about my choice to vaccinate. Since tetanus was brought up - about 1 in 50 people with tetanus dies. The TDaP vaccine has about 1 in 10 chance of giving the child a slight fever. This one seemed like a pretty simple choice for me. Especially considering how much the tetanus rate has dropped since the introduction of the vaccine. Here's a nice comparison of the relative risk:

http://www.wagpnetwork.com.au/client_ima...

Nikki - posted on 05/01/2009

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You're right there are side effects of medications and if and when the time comes for me to have to give them to him I will ask the DR. what they are and what the percentages are after I have looked in to all natural ways of healing him.


Quoting Melissa:

Nikki, I am not going to argue the vaccine thing with you , but you list all of the possible side effects and the ingredients, I hope you never have to give your child any medication, because if you read the ingredients and possible side effects of those, then you might think it is too much of a risk.


 

Sara - posted on 05/01/2009

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So NOT a personal choice. It's like if I chose to get in my car and drive without obeying the rules of the road and just expect everyone to watch out for ME. There may be all these debates now about whether vaccines are safe or not, but I would rather take the 1 in a literally million chance than to subject my baby, or other people's babies, to disease that could be prevented. The more people that chose not to vaccinate, the worse things will get. Thanks for your contributions. I pray your child is ok, but I pray everyone else's children are ok too.



http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/

Nikki - posted on 05/01/2009

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As I stated in the area about the vaccinations. If my son got one of the disesea's almost all of them are treatable so you can go ahead and keep thinking that other children keep him safe that's fine with me, I wasn't vaccinated and traveled many places and am perfectly fine. And if he does travel outside of the United States as an adult and wants to get vaccinated he can go right ahead. Don't you know that vaccinations "expire" so even if YOU were vaccinated as a child they aren't in your system anymore!!


Quoting Leah:

So he will never be around other kids for the rest of his life? Of course the other kids who ARE vaccinated will keep him healthy. Hopefully he doesn't decide to travel anywhere when he is an adult...


 

Nikki - posted on 05/01/2009

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Each year there are only 50-100 cases in the United States. Almost all occur in adults over the age of 25 who's boosters have been "expired". My son will not be playing with rusty nails or tools any time soon. SO....NO!!


Quoting Kate:

I do have to ask: are you planning on giving him a tetanus booster?


 

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Nikki, I am not going to argue the vaccine thing with you , but you list all of the possible side effects and the ingredients, I hope you never have to give your child any medication, because if you read the ingredients and possible side effects of those, then you might think it is too much of a risk.

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I respect your descision not to vaccinate, but there is no way I would not get my son immunised.

Mel - posted on 05/01/2009

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just ignore them! its your choice. Im from australia Like Lee-Anne and I chose not to get my daughters 12 month injections.its a personal choice and it is YOUR choice not anyone elses. Tell your family i respect what your saying but this is my child and i will chose whether or not i get it vaccinated. my mum is the same with regards to my animals she goes on and on and on. we've finally givin in and decided to get our cat done this weekend but not getting her injections.

my mother in law also keeps going on about getting briannas injections i politely tell her i dont know if i am going to get them done i will decide later. but i probably dont. i think everyone just views things different if we were all the same it would be a sad world. even my father in law does things with my child that my mother in law doesnt agree with like the other night he was giving her some of our wine on his finger and she was not happy so i had to do it myself to show her that im fine with it and it was ok. anyway thats off topic all i really wanted to say is DONT LET YOUR FAMILY PRESSURE YOU!

Lee-Anne - posted on 04/30/2009

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hi all im from australia and over here all our schools private and public require your children to be vaccinated were im from anyway they will not let you child start school with out them and i choose to vaccinate my children for the reason that i nearly died at the age of 3 of hopping cough and i would never want to put my kids through the same thing but i dont know much about the laws were your from so good luck and hope everythink works out the way you hope they do

Leah - posted on 04/30/2009

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So he will never be around other kids for the rest of his life? Of course the other kids who ARE vaccinated will keep him healthy. Hopefully he doesn't decide to travel anywhere when he is an adult...

Andrea - posted on 04/30/2009

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Good Luck with your decision, I would just recommend calling all of your school districts to ensure that it won't be a problem when it is time for school.

Kate CP - posted on 04/30/2009

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A private school is a private business and thus if they require your child have certain vaccines then you have to comply or send your kid to a different school. A public school, however, is a state run institution and can't keep a child out of school because of personal beliefs or religious practices-this includes opting out of shots. If you went to a private school and never had your vaccines then you probably managed to get into a school with a more lenient vaccine schedule/requirements.

Nikki - posted on 04/30/2009

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Quoting Kate:



I went to a private school and was not vaccinated.


Quoting Ann:

I have also chosen not to vaccinate my son, he had his first shots when he was born but that is it. As he got bigger he started showing signs of slight autism, so my hubby and I didnt want anymore mercury or toxins put in his body. my question now is what about school? do all schools require kids to have these vac's before they can attend school? How can I get my son into school without having to get him all those shots?





If it's a public school you can opt out of the shots. If it's a private school you have to adhere to their vaccine requirements.





 

Nikki - posted on 04/30/2009

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First of all I am not trying to cause drama as some people may say..I am looking for people to talk to who support my decision and feel the same. Also I choose not to take my son around alot of other babies until he is 1 because well once again my decision. And the babies that he is around he does just fine with, interacts great!!. I take him to the chiropractor and feed him a well balanced and healthy diet. Let me just inform some of you about a few of the shots. Did you even think that you are just vaccinating because your family and doctors tell you too? Or do you really know what's in them? As the comment about spaghettio's and stuff says..you can't even read some of the words..you can for vaccinations?? For instance they tell you not to eat tuna while you're pregnant right? Because of mercury...and then as soon as your baby is born you shoot them up with it? I'm going to go through just the controversial things in each shot and tell you if your child gets whatever the disease is if it's treatable when not vaccinated...
HIB: aluminum
can be treated with anti-biotics
PC Vaccine: Aluminum
can be treated with oral and/or IV antibiotics
DTaP vaccination
Diptheria: can be treated with an antitoxin
Tetanus: can be treated with anti-body injections
Pertussis/whooping cough: can be treated with anti-biotics
the shot as a whole has: Aluminum, Mercury, Polysorbate 80, 2-phenoxythenol and Formaldehyde..ya remember that smell from dead animals in biology you are injecting that into your child!
i just have to go over the reactions to this one..
*pain and swelling of the lymph nodes
*heart inflammation
*extensive and serious swelling of the limbs
*diabetes
*seizures
*bruising throughout the body
*bleeding disorders
*blue color from poor circulation
*severe allergic reactions
*skin infection
HEP B: Aluminum and Formaldehyde
while there is not treatment for this most mothers should only be afraid if they themselves have this while birthing their child.
Have to state the side affects for this one too..
*severe life threatening allergic reactions
*severe rash
*heart palpitations
*minor liver damage
*bleeding disorders
*vision problems
*hair loss
*arthritis
*lupus
*migraines
*nerve dysfunction
*Guillain-Barre syndrome
Multiple Sclerosis
PLEASE CONTINUE TO TELL ME THAT BY ME NOT GETTING MY CHILD VACCINATED I AM DOING THE WRONG THING WHILE YOU SHOOT YOUR CHILDREN UP WITH THIS VACCINATION THAT CAN CAUSE ALL OF THESE WHEN THEY MAY NOT EVEN BE EXPOSED TO BEGIN WITH!!!
ROTOVIRUS: the strains come from infected COWS! The virus is then grown in a mix of monkeys kidney cells nourished by fetal cow serum aka blood from a cow fetus!! And polysorbate 80. While there is no cure for this I have2 very good friends whom both of their children were regularly vaccinated and got this! It's just about like the flu you have to let it run it's course and keep them hydrated.
POLIO: baby cow blood serum, Human blood proteins, MSG, Formaldehyde, 2-phenoxyethanol, and monkey kidney cells...again!
This is not treatable.
MMR Vaccine:
MEASLES: not treatable has to run it's course.
MUMPS: " "
RUBELLA: Same as above
The Vaccine as a whole has: first of all they have no idea where the original viruses that they used to make the vaccine for the measles and mumps came from!! The Rubella virus is from an UNBORN FETUS, for those of you who don't believe in abortion!! Measles and Mumps viruses are nourished in chicken embryo cells. The rubella virus is nourished in human lung cells. Each of the tissue cultures is contained in cow blood and human protein from blood. From this shot about one in twenty children experience side effects these can be:
*Measels
*Flu
*Inflammation of the blood vessels
*Inflamed Pancreas
*Diabetes
*Bleeding disorders
*Bruising throughout the body
*Rubella
*Allergic reactions
*Joint and muscle soreness
*Life threatening rash (Steven-Johnson syndrome)
*Mumps
Rare DEATHS from unknown causes
*Eye inflammation and visual dysfunction
*Nerve inflammation
*Deafness
*Seizures due to fever
*Seizures not associated with fever
*Guillain-Barre syndrome
*Chronic Arthritis
*Swelling of the brain tissue
* Many autistic kids have a viral-induced inflammation in their intestines. The vaccine strain measles virus is present in their intestines.
*many autistic kids have evidence of the vaccine-strain measels virus in their brain and spinal fluid. While these in no way prove cause Autism people believe that with genetic predisposition and other environmental and medical factors, the vaccine helps trigger it.
Chickenpox: the live virus, MSG, and cow fetus serum.
Is it treatable: yes there is an anti-viral medication and I'm sure that most of you reading this had it and never even went to the DR.
HEP A: Aluminum, Formaldehyde, Cow blood in one of the brands, Human blood proteins in one of the brands, 2-Phenoxythenal and polysorbate 20.
Treatable: no but the outbreaks are usually small and isolated.
FLU: Mercury, Formaldehyde, MSG. And most people that get the shot end up getting the flu from it or anyways.
It is treatable with antiviral medications.
MENINGOCOCCAL: This is the most simple and pure of the vaccines.
But it can be treated with antibiotics so why bother the way I see it?
HPV (for girls only): Aluminum and polysorbate
Can be treated and alot of the strains aren't even covered by this shot.
Some side affects may include: birth defects and autoimmune problems.
YOU CAN FIND ALL OF THIS IN THE VACCINE BOOK WRITTEN BY DR. Robert W. Sears

Meaghan - posted on 04/30/2009

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I would never want someone to tell me how to care for my son and I respect your decision to staying true to YOUR beliefs. However; I have to also voice my opinion and agree with Jerrie Butler on this one...

Posted by Jerrie Butler (April 18, 10:43 pm)
"It is clearly your decision. But as a pediatric medical assistant I just have to let you know that all of our children that ARE vaccinated are keeping your child healthy.
If we all chose not to vaccinate as you, then we would be seeing deadly diseases again."


Honestly, unless you NEVER take your child out of your home and NEVER bring him around people. Then the children that ARE vaccinated as well as adults ARE keeping your child healthy. Vaccinations stop the spread of disease. Please don't think that; I'm lecturing you. I'm simply voicing my opinion in response to your response...

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The vaccinations your child would get are not for RSV. RSV is similar basically the common cold. They dont vaccinate for the cold. There are too many strands. Viruses cannot be killed, they can only be prevented. Virses cannot be treated by antibotics. I suggest you research what a Virus really is and how many different types there are. Knowledge is power. Please make sure you fully reasearch through medical journals and papers that have valid information and not just biasis web pages.

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I am a mom and a nursing student. I believe that it is your choice whether or not you schould vaccinate your child, but you need to understand that vaccinations of most of this country's children is what is keeping your child safe. If you were going to travel to another country your child would be at a great risk for contracting a deadly virus. Plus, if you are not vaccinating due to the fear of Autism be careful. There is no hard evidence that Autism is caused by vaccinating your child. Most research points to free radicals and genetics being the cause. Your husband is vaccinated for a reason when he goes over seas!!! It really does protect him. Good Luck

Nikki - posted on 04/30/2009

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call around to your local chiropractors and ask for a waiver for school! It's really easy!


Quoting Ann:

I have also chosen not to vaccinate my son, he had his first shots when he was born but that is it. As he got bigger he started showing signs of slight autism, so my hubby and I didnt want anymore mercury or toxins put in his body. my question now is what about school? do all schools require kids to have these vac's before they can attend school? How can I get my son into school without having to get him all those shots?


 

Nikki - posted on 04/30/2009

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call around to your local chiropractors and ask for a waiver for school! It's really easy!


Quoting Ann:

I have also chosen not to vaccinate my son, he had his first shots when he was born but that is it. As he got bigger he started showing signs of slight autism, so my hubby and I didnt want anymore mercury or toxins put in his body. my question now is what about school? do all schools require kids to have these vac's before they can attend school? How can I get my son into school without having to get him all those shots?


 

Nikki - posted on 04/30/2009

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call around to your local chiropractors and ask for a waiver for school! It's really easy!


Quoting Ann:

I have also chosen not to vaccinate my son, he had his first shots when he was born but that is it. As he got bigger he started showing signs of slight autism, so my hubby and I didnt want anymore mercury or toxins put in his body. my question now is what about school? do all schools require kids to have these vac's before they can attend school? How can I get my son into school without having to get him all those shots?


 

Nikki - posted on 04/30/2009

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my best friends son was vaccinated for this and RSV and got both so I don't believe that they totally prevent anything!

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Sarah, I totally agree with your post. I simple can't see vaccinations as a parental choice, like what color to paint the nursery or whether to use a pacifier. It is a public health issue, and the level of immunity in the community at large is what protects my son until he's old enough for the vaccines. Your link about Dana McCaffrey didn't work for me, but I found this video on her case.

http://www.maroondahjournal.com.au/news/...

I guess I have a hard time seeing something like this and not feeling that we all share the responsibility for getting our kids vaccinated.

Sarah - posted on 04/26/2009

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Quoting Nikki:

My son is not around other children so no one can really say that other children are keeping my son safe.



It is all well & good to say that your son is not around other children, but what about adults? Surely you intereact with the outside world beyond your computer. Adults carry viruses too, and some vaccines 'expire' after so many years, which, along with parents like you who choose not to immunise their kids,is why Whooping Cough (Pertussis) is reaching epidemic proportions. please visit http://danamccaffrey.com to see the reality of low immunisation rates. Dana Elizabeth McCaffrey was born on February 5th 2009 & died on March 9th 2009. She was too young to be immunised against anything but Hep B, but because she lived in a community where parents are choosing NOT to immunise their children, she was taken away far too soon. I immunise my children being fully informed. I have also chosen to have both my Boostrix shot (Diptheria, Tetenus & Pertussis booster) & I am also 2 thirds of my way through my Gardisal immunisation. These are the choices I have made to protect myself, my children & the community.

Claire - posted on 04/23/2009

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My god daughter was born with an incurable heriditory condition and died at 15 months. Had a doctor been able to come to and say here is a cure the relief would have been immense. I can only imagin that would have been the same kind of relief felt by parents that saw children die of all the diseases we now are protected against by a simple injection. Modern medicine is a wonderful thing. Many people say we are made to heal ourselves etc but at the end of the day child mortality was ALOT higher prior to modern medicine. It wasn't unusual for people to lose children before their 5th birthday. because these days child mortality (thankfully) is so much lower people seem to think we are safe. What they don't see is that it is the medicine we are now provided that keeps us safe! Medicine might not always get it right but given the option between living with or without out it I know which I would choose.

Claire - posted on 04/23/2009

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I don't know what vaccinations are given as standard in the US as I am in the UK. But I have had my son vaccinated and intend to have more daughter vaccinated too. As far as austisim goes my friend who has an honours degree in bio medical science did a paper on the link between autisim and vaccinations and not only were they not able to gain the same results again but the original results were from contaminted samples but were still used and the results published as though true! I think that is awful if parents are basing their decisions on totally inacurate findings. It is personal choice yes but I think people really need to understand that it is herd immunity keeping us safe. Before people were vaccinated children were being left damaged or worse dying of these childhood deseases. We all know that one sure fire why of keeping our children protected against these deseases is with the jabs so I opt for my children to have them.

Tammy - posted on 04/23/2009

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I agree it is scary i feel very pressured.I use persevative free products for my family and i also use alot of great herbs for my family the company has testing done on all product for safety i use this for imune system alergies etc they also have alot of stuff for little ones to keep them and us healty always go with instinct.use products that are safe vaccination is very scary

Kate CP - posted on 04/23/2009

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Quoting Ann:

I have also chosen not to vaccinate my son, he had his first shots when he was born but that is it. As he got bigger he started showing signs of slight autism, so my hubby and I didnt want anymore mercury or toxins put in his body. my question now is what about school? do all schools require kids to have these vac's before they can attend school? How can I get my son into school without having to get him all those shots?


If it's a public school you can opt out of the shots. If it's a private school you have to adhere to their vaccine requirements.

Ann - posted on 04/23/2009

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I have also chosen not to vaccinate my son, he had his first shots when he was born but that is it. As he got bigger he started showing signs of slight autism, so my hubby and I didnt want anymore mercury or toxins put in his body. my question now is what about school? do all schools require kids to have these vac's before they can attend school? How can I get my son into school without having to get him all those shots?

Sarah - posted on 04/22/2009

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I am for vacciations. There are still to many things out there and people are traveling all over the world. Going to places that are not so healthy. The thing well, my son is never around kids from Nikki. You are hurting him if you are not letting him learn how to solaize with other kids.That is an important part of growing and learning. Kids will get sick (colds, flu, etc.) and the fall hurt there self. How else are they to learn.

Melissa - posted on 04/22/2009

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I agree that when vaccinating your children it is a personal choice. But I personally am for vaccinating our children. I have a 6 month old son and did quite a bit of research before making my decision. A couple of things I did want to point out though are that the amount of mercury that was in older vaccines was MINIMAL amounts. With such small amounts of mercury present, the likely hood of merucry poisoning causing autism is unfounded. They have now removed mercury because there are new methods in which to deliver the vaccines. Also to say these diseases have been almost completely wiped out isn't very accurate. Yes the number of people infected with these diseases has dropped, so it may seem like they are no longer around. When in actuality the drop in these diseases is due to the fact that the majority of the population has been vaccinated against them. I was a little concerned when I heard people say (that I knew personally) well my parents didn't have me vaccinated and I turned out ok. To that I say, well it wasn't that long ago that their parents used lead paint in their homes...I wonder if they said, hmmm I turned out ok so its no big deal if the baby chews on the window sill, even after they found out how dangerous lead paint was. The point is we know more now than we knew then and with new knowledge comes new responsibility. Yes, years ago there were no such things as vaccines and medicines etc. and some people lived long healthy lives. But back then the death rate was also a LOT higher. Even if a child has no direct contact with other children they still run the risk of being infected. If mom or dad has a job, or takes the train or bus or has gone to a grocery store then they have come in contact with other people who are carriers and could now be carriers themselves. Unfortunately, Americans are so unhealthy due to our lifestyles not our vaccines. We are lazy. We eat unhealthy. And we blame our problems on everyone else and look for the quick fix. There are chemicals in everything that we use in our daily lives. Even if you use all organic foods theres a good chance that the utensils you use to prepare, cook and eat them with contain chemicals. Science and time have shown that vaccines are beneficial to everyone. And as with all things in life, there will always be a risk, but the side effects and risks seem to be a lot less awful than the diseases themselves. The last question I asked myself before making my decision was this; If my child needed major surgery on his heart in order to live, even though there could be severe complications that he would have to live with the rest of his life, or possibly even death, would I do it? After a few seconds my answer was yes. Now if someone had asked me if there was a shot that could have prevented him from having heart problems all together would you have given it to him? My answer with no hesitation would be hell yes. But this is MY informed choice. I advise people to really do your research before you make a decision. Educate yourself and If you feel that you are making the best, intelligent choice for your child then you should stand firm on your decsions.

Melissa - posted on 04/22/2009

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I am still iffy on some vaccinations myself. I was trying to selectively vax, but then I moved to another state and things have just been wonky with trying to get everything set up so that the health department here will even take my son. I'm also scared of being berated for not doing everything on the CDC's schedule. I have no problem with vaccines and appreciate those who do vaccinate since it helps with herd immunity. What most people don't seem to realize is that we ALL live off of herd immunity. Not every vaccine is going to be 100% effective for every person.

I had one of those one-in-a-million reactions to the pertussis vaccine. My sister did, too. My parents had to watch and wait to see if we were even going to live and, if we lived, if we were going to be brain damaged and have a potential for any decent quality of life. In the end, we were blessed that the effects, while torturous at the time, had no apparent lasting effect. The 32-minute convulsion I suffered, for instance, did not leave me brain damaged. No, it was not caused by a fever either. The CDC says that even though the formula has changed for the pertussis vaccine that I cannot have the new version because of my reaction to the old one. That tells me that they are not sure they eliminated the allergen or whatever causes severe reactions. With that being the case, why would I want to take the chance that my son might go through something similar? He might not be as lucky as I was.

It is a personal decision to vaccinate your child. If he/she decides to get some of them later, then that's his/her decision. I still find it odd that some vaccines can only work if administered at a certain stage in life, but that's just me. (Rotovirus comes to mind.) I also don't believe that all of these vaccines should be given at once. That is why I am spacing them out for my son. We'll catch up on the ones he's getting eventually, but I don't like introducing so many things directly to his system all at once. I'm giving his body time to adjust. Also, by doing vaccines individually, there's a greater chance of seeing if he's going to have a reaction or not.

The key in all of this is to educate yourself. When other people complain, be prepared to either present facts or to ignore them. No one is going to ever agree with every parenting decision you make. That's just part of being a parent.

Kate CP - posted on 04/22/2009

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Quoting Jamie:



Quoting Dionna:

Good for you! Despite what others say you are doing a great thing. I don't know your reasonings behind it but it is the best thing you can do for your child. I know its a growing trend but I did not vacinate because of that trend. I wonder if the people that have something to say about not vacinating even know what they are injecting into they're childs body. I actually asked for the inserts of the vacines and started researching ingredients. Its not just a mercury thing. There are a lot of harmful and toxic ingredients. People are there are a lot of harmful ingredients in everything. YES!
I personally have never given my child an antibiotic, didn't vacinate, feed organic, and get regular specific spinal adjustments. By making sure his nervous system is working properly, he body is toxic (or close to it) free....GOD CREATED OUR BODIES TO HEAL ITSELF...his body can heal itself. He had RSV at 4 months and the flu at 6 months. Do you know with out medicine (maybe some natural remedies to assist w/ symptoms Colostrom & Collodial Silver) his body healed itself within 4-6 days completely! Now thats power.

Maybe people should question why we are one of the sickest nations out there, the most over weight, highest cancer & heart disease rates.... mmmmhhhhh, I wonder.

Sorry to ramble, but you have my support!





we are a sick and overweight because americans are lazy. Has nothing to do with vaccines. Getting a shot has nothin to do with not exercising or eating unhealthy foods. So even if the whole country didnt get vaccinated there will still be a McDonalds on every corner and there will still be parents that use the tv and video games to entertain their kids instead of being active.  So one has nothing to do with the other. And trust me I am way against people feeding thier kids junk food, I think its stupid.





Jamie is 100% correct. Americans are sicker than other countries because of the crap we eat and the amount of exercise we DON'T do. I absolutely HATE it when I hear parents touting off about vaccines being full of chemicals and all this stuff that's bad for the body...and then they go and feed their kids crap like Hamburger Helper and Spaghettios. Have you ever read the ingredients in those? You can't pronounce half the names of the chemicals they put in the "food". Why is Autism on the rise? Because people are eating crappy food, living in toxic cities and towns, and taking too many OTC medications. Don't blame the shots.

Jamie - posted on 04/22/2009

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Quoting Dionna:

Good for you! Despite what others say you are doing a great thing. I don't know your reasonings behind it but it is the best thing you can do for your child. I know its a growing trend but I did not vacinate because of that trend. I wonder if the people that have something to say about not vacinating even know what they are injecting into they're childs body. I actually asked for the inserts of the vacines and started researching ingredients. Its not just a mercury thing. There are a lot of harmful and toxic ingredients. People are there are a lot of harmful ingredients in everything. YES!
I personally have never given my child an antibiotic, didn't vacinate, feed organic, and get regular specific spinal adjustments. By making sure his nervous system is working properly, he body is toxic (or close to it) free....GOD CREATED OUR BODIES TO HEAL ITSELF...his body can heal itself. He had RSV at 4 months and the flu at 6 months. Do you know with out medicine (maybe some natural remedies to assist w/ symptoms Colostrom & Collodial Silver) his body healed itself within 4-6 days completely! Now thats power.

Maybe people should question why we are one of the sickest nations out there, the most over weight, highest cancer & heart disease rates.... mmmmhhhhh, I wonder.

Sorry to ramble, but you have my support!


we are a sick and overweight because americans are lazy. Has nothing to do with vaccines. Getting a shot has nothin to do with not exercising or eating unhealthy foods. So even if the whole country didnt get vaccinated there will still be a McDonalds on every corner and there will still be parents that use the tv and video games to entertain their kids instead of being active.  So one has nothing to do with the other. And trust me I am way against people feeding thier kids junk food, I think its stupid.

Erica - posted on 04/22/2009

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If you don't like it then why come on here saying stuff like that you are causing just as much drama as anyone else by saying that.

Emily - posted on 04/22/2009

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Quoting Racheal:

Has anybody thought that maybe this isn't our decision? Our responsibility as parents is to keep our children safe, that is all they ask of us. And these illnesses that have almost been completely wiped out. I didn't get to vaccinate my daughter against the chicken pox, and she caught them. Recently she had a case of shingles and that is much worse than having chicken pox, if I had vaccinated her the chances of her ever getting shingles would have been very minimal.



I am writing this with the intention of not contributing to the vaccine debate. I do want to let you know not to beat yourself up about the shingles thing. Shingles is a disease that affects those who are immune to chicken pox. This includes people who have had varicella vaccines. In fact this vaccine is actually responsible for more children than ever becomming infected with shingles as shingles used to be almost completely unheard of in children. Here are some links that might ease your mind. If they are going to get shingles the varicella vaccine is not going to help that. Sorry your little one had to go through that.



http://www.news-medical.net/?id=12896



http://expertdoctor.blogspot.com/2008/08...

Dionna - posted on 04/22/2009

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Good for you! Despite what others say you are doing a great thing. I don't know your reasonings behind it but it is the best thing you can do for your child. I know its a growing trend but I did not vacinate because of that trend. I wonder if the people that have something to say about not vacinating even know what they are injecting into they're childs body. I actually asked for the inserts of the vacines and started researching ingredients. Its not just a mercury thing. There are a lot of harmful and toxic ingredients. People are there are a lot of harmful ingredients in everything. YES!

I personally have never given my child an antibiotic, didn't vacinate, feed organic, and get regular specific spinal adjustments. By making sure his nervous system is working properly, he body is toxic (or close to it) free....GOD CREATED OUR BODIES TO HEAL ITSELF...his body can heal itself. He had RSV at 4 months and the flu at 6 months. Do you know with out medicine (maybe some natural remedies to assist w/ symptoms Colostrom & Collodial Silver) his body healed itself within 4-6 days completely! Now thats power.



Maybe people should question why we are one of the sickest nations out there, the most over weight, highest cancer & heart disease rates.... mmmmhhhhh, I wonder.



Sorry to ramble, but you have my support!

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