Views on Vaccinations?

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/16/2012

Shyla Reed



I agree with you on one point. I also hope new Mom's do their research and thoroughly at that.



I hope they research how it was BEFORE vaccines and the dyer affects not vaccinating can hold. If more and more people stopped vaccinating we would be killing our own kind. Disease would remanifest and thousands, millions would die. Since we have the biomedical abililties to guard off such assault, why in hell would anyone take the chance with their child's life? Or their own life for that matter, since as an adult, there are vaccines that should be repeated every 10 years, other than influenza which is yearly.



Some vaccines have been around and widely practiced for decades.



diphtheria has been used since 1930 -killing over 10,000 people every year, now rare for a doctor even to see a case of diphtheria, much less have a child die from it.



measles since 1963 - almost 500,000 cases of measles were reported in the U.S. Ten years after we started vaccinating there were about 32,000 cases, and ten years after that there were fewer than 2,000. In 1998 and 1999, only about 100 measles cases were reported each year.



Polio since 1962 - In 1952 and 1953, the U.S. experienced an outbreak of 58,000. As of 2008, polio remains endemic in only four countries: Nigeria, India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan.



smallpox 1967 - Millions died from it every year. Twelve years later, smallpox was wiped out - gone from the Earth forever.



So, there you go. 45 - 80 years these vaccines have been in place and you can see from the numbers the drastic improvement "only" these four vaccines have had, let alone all the others.



If a new mother is concerned and wants to learn more before making a decision, I strongly erge her to do so. Although, with the effort of learning how it use to be and how it is now!

Jodi - posted on 02/16/2012

*shrugs, gives up and figures natural selection will take care of the situation*

Alana - posted on 02/16/2012

*Runs back outraged by the ignorance*

- smallpox killing 300 million during the 20th Century with 80% of victims being < 5 year olds and 30% who survived become blind

- influenza pandemics – Spanish Flu killing 50 million + during WWI

- the black plague killing 25 million ++

- Cholera outbreaks

- Typhus outbreaks

- massive rates of childhood mortality and disability.

- Polio!!!!!!!!!!

I guess I am just glad I get to live to a ripe old age and half my progeny will not die from NOW preventable diseases that are NOW less common due to vaccines. Seriously... you don't know how lucky you are... and it is not due to some divine intervention!

Kay - posted on 02/16/2012

So there was one comment a few pages back really bugging me, regarding the fact that the Bible forbids the eating of "unclean" animals. So, if you guys will bear with me for a moment, I would like to point out some scriptural references that counter this reasoning for not vaccinating your children.



First off, the concept of "clean" versus "unclean" animals is a concept proposed under the Mosaic laws, part of the covenant between Jehovah and His people, prior to the fulfillment of messianic prophecy.



However, if you believe in the New Testament, and that Christ was the Messiah, then you also should understand the concept of being released from the covenant of the law. In other words, to quote Romans 7:1-6:



"Do you not know, brothers and sisters—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law has authority over someone only as long as that person lives? For example, by law a married woman is bound to her husband as long as he is alive, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law that binds her to him. So then, if she has sexual relations with another man while her husband is still alive, she is called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man. So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code."



In other words, because we have "died" through Christ, and been born again through him, we have in the same manner "died" to the law. And thus to the concept of "clean" and "unclean".



This is further emphasized in 1 Timothy 4: 3-5, a chapter which apparently we are okay with quoting part of but not all. In this passage, Paul also writes, "They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer."



Furthermore, as early as Genesis 9:3, there are references to ALL animals being good to eat, saying, "Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything."



So on a religious basis, I find very little reason not to vaccinate my children based on "clean' and "unclean", since I DO believe the Bible to be the infallible and inerrant Word of God. And these are not the only examples, merely the most succinct and to the point.

Alana - posted on 02/16/2012

I am make-up-and-jewellery-wearing-to-be veterinarian who believes in science and FACTS and is an atheist…



*shrugs and walks away*

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/16/2012

I am not sure that is an accurate accusation! Many many people died before there were vaccines. What about Polio, Ruebella (german measles), measles and Small Pox?? Do you realize how many people died from these diseases before there were vaccines?



Before polio vaccine was available, 13,000 to 20,000 cases of paralytic polio were reported each year in the United States. This often left thousands of victims - mostly children - in braces, crutches, wheelchairs, and iron lungs. The effects were for the rest of their lives.



1 in 1000 of our parents generation that caught the measles developed brain dysfunction and more kids died in previous eras due to vaccine-preventable diseases.



An average of 450 measles-associated deaths were reported each year between 1953 and 1963.



Smallpox caused miserable deaths. On average, it had a 30 percent mortality rate. Those who survived were usually scarred and occasionally blinded for life.



Yes, mankind still lived because Scientists came up with solutions, which are called vaccines. Not everyone died - many sadly did - which meant we were still able to procreate and live stronger with vaccines...



I don't think the arguement of "mankind has been around for thousands of years without any vaccinations, but we still survived" is very substantial. It has been proven that the introduction of vaccines drastically decreased these dieseases.

Jodi - posted on 02/16/2012

Anastacia, you do realise, don't you, that mankind didn't always live long lives and the infant and childhood mortality rate was pretty horrific, right? So you'd be okay with losing half your children before they reached adulthood then?

Anastacia - posted on 02/16/2012

As well, just for the record, if we want to talk about vaccines, think about this,mankind has been around for thousands of years without any vaccinations, but we still survived. Along comes some scientist, and vwala, all of a sudden we have an invention that is to "better"our race.vaccinations are nothing more than another excuse to try and save an overpopulated race that needs a little bit regulation,as we have laws for everywhere, so does mother nature.(this is from my husbands p.o.v.)

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/16/2012

BTW - I am also prolife but, I definitely lean heavily towards prolife of my children. I cannot help any of those precious babies that have already been aborted, it is out of my hands. I am not a part of the Government and cannot change law but, I am not going to keep my children from living.



However, if these little souls can find very important medical breaks, to help those that were given a chance, then perhaps that is a way for them to still be alive, through us. Some senseless woman did not give them a chance, perhaps this is their way to get their chance to make a mark on the world.



I have checked "yes" for all my organs and tissues to be donated to science when I kick the bucket...

MeMe - Raises Her Hand (-_-) (Mommy Of A Toddler And Teen) - posted on 02/16/2012

I for one feel good about vaccines. I don't want my kids catching any disease that could potentially kill them. The chance of a child dying or havng complications from a vaccine is much more slim, rare actually.



If many stopped vaccinating their children these diseases would come back, then what?



I am also all for the rotavirus and had my son vaccinated with it. This stomach type "flu" is deadly and common amognst 5 and under's. My children have and do go to daycare, this is a common breading ground for this virus. Think about it, there are many poopy diapers changed each day in a daycare, the teacher "may" forget to wash her hands, pick up a child, maybe even touch their mouth (for whatever reason). Next thing you know your child is suffering from severe diarroeha and becomes hospitalized from severe dehydration. Forget it, I am not taking the chances. It was one that I had to pay for, it is not covered in Canada under Insurance Plans or by our Canadian Medical. To me it was worth the piece of mind. 500 000 children world wide die from this virus yearly, my kid will not be one of them.



I also believe in the influenza vaccine. My daughter suffered from the flu every single winter, she would be so ill. One time I had to bring her back to Hospital daily for a week so she could be hooked up to an IV due to dehydration from the flu. Ever since I have gotten her the shot she has never gotten the flu again. It has been 7 years now. Although, and yes this may be hypricritical of me, my husband and I do not get the vaccine. We feel we have had the flu enough in our younger days that we are OK if we get the flu. So far we have not gotten the sickness. Now that our son is here though, we are thinking of getting it this winter.



My DH and I just received the Tdap shot as well. Since it has Pertussis in the vaccine. I was very concerned of this sickness with my son. Whooping cough is rising and is very serious, it too causes death.



My 13 year old does not have Autism, so I am unclear of how anyone think vaccines are linked to Autism, or anything for that matter. My 16 month old does not have any problems from getting his shots either. Neither do I nor my husband, we are fully immunized. Actually there is no one I know that has had complications from being immunized. I think the chances of comlications are much lower from getting them then they are from not getting them.



IMO, vaccines are still very important. I would not want to chance my children by not getting them vaccinated. They wouldn't still be highly recommended if they were lethal or causing catastrophic impacts.

Jodi - posted on 02/16/2012

"I'd love to be able to talk to these mothers who are so pro vaccine in 20 years and also the ones who do not vaccinate."



Can I ask why?

Proud - posted on 02/16/2012

I'd love to be able to talk to these mothers who are so pro vaccine in 20 years and also the ones who do not vaccinate.

Proud - posted on 02/16/2012

Vaccinated or not anyone can be a carrier of these diseases.



My husband was vaccinated as a child and he still almost died when he got the mumps and then later on when he got the measles.



So those oh so lovely vaccinations do not really protect you from anything.





My brother got vaccinated later as an adult and he is the one who has gotten sick.



Matter of fact I know more vaccinated people who got these diseases and almost died then I do people who did not have any vaccinations at all and never had any of those diseases.

Brittney - posted on 02/16/2012

Some vaccines are not necessary, like the influenza vaccines. Some like Poliomyelitis can be fatal or just results in paralysis if you get it, if children are not being vaccinated against deadly viruses or diseases, it will become a problem like it once was. When the chickenpox vaccine became available, my mom chose that I get it, I'm not immune to it and will die from complications if I get it, my daughter will receive all vaccinations so she can be immune to deadly infectious diseases and the complications from such.

Jenni - posted on 02/16/2012

Anastacia, I apologize I forgot your back story and that you're the poster who's children have an auto immune disorder. I believe I said before that medical conditions are completely understandable when it comes to opting out of vaccines.



There are indeed valid exceptions not to vaccinate. As far as the religious/philosophical concerns with the aborted fetus being used as a historical blueprint for rubella. As long as people know exactly what that means (that they don't currently have aborted fetal tissue in the vaccine) and that there are alternative vaccines they can use without cell lining. I think that's all that matters and after that it's their choice.



What steams me is when people opt out of vaccinating based on outdated or mis-information.

Jodi - posted on 02/16/2012

If fetal tissue is the ONLY reason you are not vaccinating, then you have not done your research - the rubella vaccine is the only one that currently does not have an alternative to the use of the cell lines of those original aborted fetuses (please note that there is no aborted fetus involved now at all - the original cells are obsolete, and what is now being used are cell lines of the original).

Anastacia - posted on 02/16/2012

And to add everyone is potential carriers of these diseases even if they are vaccinated. But you can blame me if you want to.

Anastacia - posted on 02/16/2012

Like I said some of my children have gotten some vaccines my youngest has had none but that is because my children have auto immune disorders. I do not feel comfortable vaccinating any longer. That is my choice and I completely own that decision. What I am saying is that yes the fetus tissues do now solidify my decision. That's all. Same as any other researcher that uses the cells. I may not know of them all now. But as they come to light I just can't morally support it. But that's just me. I don't expect everyone else to have the same experiences as me. That's why I don't mind if you vaccinate ... That's your choice. But dont sit there calling me selfish and not pro life because I feel I am protecting my own children.

Jenni - posted on 02/16/2012

That logic is flawed. You refuse to vaccinate making your children potential carriers of the disease. Who potentially come in contact with a pregnant woman and infect her fetus. And potentially cause unnecessary death or birth defects to the mother and fetus. Because 50 years ago some biologists took tissue from an already deceased aborted fetus and created genetic copies of it. How does that translate to pro-life?

Jenni - posted on 02/16/2012

IF this still bothers you, that they created a copy of a cell of an aborted fetus back in the 60s. There are only a FEW vaccines with this linkage. And only ONE RCV, (that I know of, ask your doctor to be sure), the Rubella vaccine. But there are ALTERNATIVES for those with philosophical/religious or just plain misinformation, to many of these vaccines with the historical LINKAGE to an aborted fetus.



ETA: I had to delete most of this post because either you re edited or I misread your entire post. Either way parts of mine didn't make sense.

Anastacia - posted on 02/16/2012

I am sorry but, used to use some fetal tissue to come up with some vaccines. Still isn't ok for me. Especially when you bring up the fact that, that baby wasn't important anyway because of whatever stupid reasons. That article I posted said these babies were being aborted unnnessarily. I am just REALLY not ok with that. I know not everyone thinks the same way as me and that is ok. I am allowed to still resisit vaccines because I am pro life and don't agree with or support any company or researcher that I find is using the fetal cells for research. How long wish to hold that boycott is up to me! I believe (not under any specific religion because I know that will be coming next) that every single conceived baby is worth to be given a fighting chance to life. Not encouraged to be donated (or sold depending on which articles you choose to read) for science.

I am not trying to change a very controversial subject like vaccines into another like abortion. But people are being insensitive to the issue.

And Alana you getting vaccinated as an adult is totally different than pumping newborns with vaccines. Here babies are supposed to have 9 vaccines by the time they are only 6 months and another 5 over the next year. It is way too much.

I will just repeat myself saying that there will always be two sides to this debate and many will not waiver. That is fine. But every person should be doing their own research to decide weather or not they will vaccinate their children. That way, any harm that comes to the child from vaccinating or not vaccinating will be made with the best intentions. And as mothers we have to own our own decision. Bottom line.

Brittany - posted on 02/16/2012

Just yesterday I heard on our local news here in Alabama they have 6 cases of children with wooping cough just 30 mins away from my town. This scares the crap out of me. I have a almost 3 year old with CLD and on a home vent with a trach and many other health issues due to being born at 24 weeks and I have a 2 week old now. Both my sons are at high risk right now. They could get this and die. My 3 year old is vaccinated. we couldnt do them on the normal time line but he is up to date now and my baby is not old enough for them yet. One good thing is we dont go anywhere right now so hopefully we are safe.

Proud - posted on 02/16/2012

Teresa, your parents must not follow the beliefs then. They must be from one of the more liberal churches :)



We have one of those liberal SDA churches in our area. The women wear makeup, jewelry, and they play the mainstream "Christian " music





I hope more new moms actually do their research and decide not to vaccinate.

Teresa - posted on 02/16/2012

Oh wait... I do have one more thing to add. My stepmom (who is also SDA) is the nurse in the ped's office who actually GIVES the shots.



Shyla may be using religion to not vaccinate, but it is certainly not the case of everyone in her religion.

Alana - posted on 02/16/2012

I know non-vaccinator who believe vaccinations are full of such evil toxins that cause autism and portions of aborted babies - won't change their minds. I just hope the majority of people continue to vaccinate - as they will- i just hope any new mums don’t buy into the above as it is not true.



This bucking of vaccination regimes I feel is in some ways good – questioning what we are doing. But ultimately in the meantime I just feel for the babies that will inevitable die from whooping cough. That is very sad.



When I have my next child I am going to live in a cave I think and make sure I have my colloidal silver - I do like the colour blue afterall.

Teresa - posted on 02/16/2012

I just wanted to say that my parents are Seventh-Day Adventists... and I'm vaccinated. That's all I have to add to this. ;)

Alana - posted on 02/16/2012

Could not agree with you more Jenni. Immunology... it really is an amazing topic.

Jenni - posted on 02/16/2012

Angie, you're talking about a country that sues companies for not putting warning labels on coffee cups to tell people their coffees are hot. Sorry, if I don't put much faith in a few Americans who won compensation under pretense of correlation.



And it has been quite apparent throughout this discussion that the majority of those who opt not to vaccinate do not have a clear understanding of what is in vaccines or how they work.



Numerous times posters have stated and provided articles that thermisol is in routine childhood vaccines. That information is almost 15 years outdated. There hasn't been thermisol in RCV since 1998ish.



Numerous times non-vaccinating posters have claimed there's aborted fetal tissue in vaccines. And have actually provided information that states very clearly that the sample was taken from 3 aborted fetuses back in the 60's *cell lines* to support their argument. They are clearly lacking reading comprehension.



The US vaccine line for rubella came from a mother's fetus who was infected with rubella and had aborted for that reason, the risk of major birth defects to the fetus. This was back in the 60s and the fetus was not aborted to obtain the tissue for the cell lines. The fetuses used were already dead. They do not harvest aborted fetuses to make the vaccine.



If using vaccines with historical links to abortion is against your faith. There are only a few vaccines with this linkage and only one (I believe) in RCV (rubella). There are alternative vaccines you can ask your doctor about.



The theme I'm noticing is those who vaccinate that have posted here have a very clear understanding on what is in vaccines and how they work. Much more so than those who do not vaccinate and receive spoonfed pseudoscience from web articles.

Alana - posted on 02/16/2012

I agreed that nothing is without risk. It is risk vs. benefit.

It would be terrible to have a serious reaction to a vaccination. I agree.



I also believe having a baby die from whooping cough is a devastation no family should experience – and they are more and more common in pockets of the community in Australia – who also happen to be very anti-vaccinations. We are lucky that most disease are lower now (due to vaccinations… not just collecting the rubbish!). But the risk is still ever present, with immigration and emigration, internal travel… it is not like we are in a safe bubble free from disease.



I recently went to India and required rabies (as I am a vet student was working with possibly rabid dogs- do you non-vaccinators think that is acceptable or would you just see if you got rabies?), tetanus, polio, flu, MMR, Cholera, ummm what else…hep B. I got it all. I got nothing more than a sore arm. I do understand some reactions can be serious but these are very very very rare. And as I said very sad.



However the dogs I worked on – full of diseases that in Australia are now very rare. No one can tell me that is not due to intensive vaccination regimes conducted in Australia. I know what someone will say – nutrition – well interestingly enough many of the Indian dogs were very well feed yet exhibited the diseases.



In Canines most are vaccined here in Australia – disease is rare. In India very low numbers are vaccinated – disease is everywhere.



I guess you could argue it is just Darwinism eh?

Angie - posted on 02/16/2012

Tell that to a mother who saw her child as being perfectly healthy and normal. Then after the vaccine, not anymore. The CDC has a compensation program set up for such incidents.

Angie - posted on 02/16/2012

Anyone interested in proof to what are in the vaccines just need to read the package insert that is included with the vaccine. I read the ingredients of food items I buy at the store before I purchase them and put them into my body. Why wouldn't you do the same with a vaccine? I chose not to after reading the unbelievable things in a vaccine. A fresh vaccine I would be fine with, but the things they put in there to preserve it are absolutely awful and toxic.

Alana - posted on 02/16/2012

The only thing regards...UK...vaccines etc. In India - there is rubbish, rats EVERYWHERE - I know I just got back from there. And in the past 12 month have had no Polio cases. A great win for vaccination regimes and their success.



I believe a child with special needs would be beyond hard. That is not a question. The link between MMR and Autism is not proven. When faced with anything hard it is human nature to want to "blame" something or someone. Unfortunately we do not know the real cause. I really hope that comes forth with further research.



And I would believe if I had kids with auto-immune conditions I would be shouting from the roof tops for everyone to vaccine to protect my kids from these PREVENTABLE conditions.

Jenni - posted on 02/16/2012

Becky, there is no thermisol (ie a mercury compound) in routine childhood vaccines and there hasn't been for 14 years. Save for a few influenza vaccines.

Toni - posted on 02/16/2012

VACCINES DO NOT CAUSE AUTISM...there has been NO proven link, in fact doctors do not know the exact causes of autism, so to say they do is a lie, but they have demonstrated several times that vaccines do not cause it.



Autism is rarely obvious before around 18 months and up to around 18 months children with autism develop as would be expected, maybe a little slower than other children, however as the children age it becomes apparent they are different to other children. It is difficult to determine a child under three is autistic as they could just be developmentally delayed although there are things that make it fairly obvious in some children before then. With or without vaccines children who have autistism will present obvious symptoms from around 18 months onwards, in reality they have usually been showing signs, often very mild signs for months beforehand, but they are easy to dismiss...things such as tiptoe walking and looking out of the corners of their eyes.



Oh and no-one suggested having a child with autism was an easy life, but given the choice between autism and death I know which I would choose!

Jodi - posted on 02/16/2012

Not to mention that rubella is the ONLY vaccine that has this issue - so what is the religious argument for the rest.

Jodi - posted on 02/16/2012

Quoting Anastacia:

"http://www.vaccinationnews.com/dailynews..."



Actually, that article proves my point. There is no aborted fetus TISSUE in vaccines. The vaccines are, in fact, cultured on the "cell lines" of those TWO original aborted fetuses (and not because they were convinced to abort because they had been exposed to rubella, but that's another debate) that were aborted over 40 years ago. Cell lines and tissue are two different things altogether.

Jodi - posted on 02/16/2012

Please, Shyla, I invite you to show me proof that there is aborted fetus tissue in the vaccines and I will stand corrected.

Becky - posted on 02/15/2012

Oh and by the way I have a daughter that has Autism. And unless you parents walk in my shoes and live the life me and 10,000 other parents live everyday with a child with Autism. I don't think any of you are strong enough to go through what me and 10,000. Other parents go through. Seizures,the biting pinching the hair pulling the night that are full moon. Yea sure All you parents that have kids you got it made most of our kids have melt downs at least 20 times a day cause they were took out of the home to do a simple grocery shopping. Getting nasty looks or we begin told off cause our child is out of control. We are parents that throw our hair in a bun and dont worry bout make up wear t-shirts and stretch pants all to make the time limit before we have a melt down cause breakfast wasnt ready. Yea ok any taker want to live this life as a parent of a child with Autism? I would be more and glad to let you come into my home for 1 day and live my life you wouldnt last 30 minuites. Or by the end of the day you would look at me as a different person. Everything has to be on a sechule and if its not you might as well sit and melt down too. And all the therpy the aba speech. All the diaper changes in a day and all the clean ups you have to do. All the dr appointments. I'm sitting and laughing at all the parents that said they would rather have a child that has Autism. Actually GOD only give special need children to the strong parents. So with that begin said I said my speech. But that offer is still open to anyone who want to come in to my home for 1 day and try living a life as a parent of a child with special needs. And it is the shots that causes Autism. GOOGLE IT but most will not cause your children are normal.

Becky - posted on 02/15/2012

Their is a proven link to Vaccinations causing Autism. I have a 7 year old daughter that has Autism. The mercury causes brain damage that leads to the Autism. I get so sick and tired of people saying that the shots are not the link. It is proven that it is causing Autism. And for all the parents out there that says the shots are not causing Autism. How many of you have kids? How many of you got the vaccinations from across seas? How many of you actually have a child with Autism? And why is Merck paying people that has children damaged by the vaccinations. Why to shut us up cause all our children regressed after 15 months. childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/.../vaccination-causes-autism-–-say-..

Mirka - posted on 02/15/2012

What I mean is: we take risks every day we do something. We take risks to vaccinate, we take risks to not vaccinate, we take risks on driving, smoking, eat processed food... Whatever... But everyone chooses the risks they want to take and what not and has to live with the consequences... There is no wrong or right...

Stifler's - posted on 02/15/2012

derp. *leaves*

Angie - posted on 02/15/2012

Vaccines were not introduced in England at the same time and also had a lower incidence of diseases. Mainly for sanitary reasons. There is now garbage removal and pickup, no more rats running in the streets. If vaccines were to be the great cure. Why did England have the same rate of lower incidences , when no vaccines were introduced yet?

Brittany - posted on 02/15/2012

My son has many health issues plus a trach and on a home vent due to being born at 24 weeks ges. and per doctors orders we do 1 vaccine and then wait 2 weeks to see if he reacts to it and then we give another one and so on, it takes a lot longer but he still gets them. I know he is at risk for getting everything so he needs all the help fighting off sickness that he can get. We just cant overload his system. When he was 4 months old he was still in the NICU he got all the vaccines at once with his immune system being so low and all his issues he got really sick and went in to heart failure so the doctors said we should take it slow and not overload his system.

Kay - posted on 02/15/2012

Wow. Just wow.



*turns around and leaves thread*

Mirka - posted on 02/15/2012

You know what ? Every time you put your kids in a car and drive around you risk your kids life. So, yes there is a minimal chance that your kid does get a rare disease because it is not vaccinated.. But do you not drive a car because you could have a accident?

Jenni - posted on 02/15/2012

Shyla, not all of us are in the USA. GPs here in Canada only receive enough incentive to cover overhead costs. In fact they only receive approximately $2000-$2500 (max) for the year at 95% patient vaccination rates. And childhood vaccines are covered under our Universal Healthcare. They are free for all citizens.



In other countries, like Australia... they pay *you* to vaccinate.

Proud - posted on 02/15/2012

Well I will not shout even though the ignorance here astounds me also...but for different reason then you.



Like I've already said I went to med school and I have a bit of knowledge on these things.



But go right ahead and keep your head in the clouds and believe what the money hungry Dr's want you to believe :)

Anastacia - posted on 02/15/2012

http://www.vaccinationnews.com/dailynews...

Jodi - posted on 02/15/2012

THERE ARE NO ABORTED FETUSES IN VACCINES!!!!

(Yes shouting now because the ignorance astounds me).

That is all.

Jenni - posted on 02/15/2012

Anastacia, If your children have an auto immune disorder that is a very valid medical reason not to vaccinate. I would never say that people with genuine medical conditions should vaccinate.



But if the vast majority of us stopped vaccinating, many of these diseases we vaccinate against would become more and more common and the chances of your children (who have a genuine medical condition and can't be vaccinated) coming in contact with these diseases would increase.



The reason we started vaccinating in the first place is because the chances of our "natural immunity" fighting them off and avoiding complications and deaths were not very high. We didn't do well against them back then. They make a comeback and we won't do that great against them this time around either. I'm sure there were a few people that managed to fight off polio, but most were maimed for life. I'm sure there were many, are many people who fight off the measles... but many newborns, young children, the elderly and the ill could not.



And here is where the selfishness comes in. When healthy people refuse to vaccinate and become carriers of the disease, then go to hospitals and infect those who do not have strong enough immune systems to fight off the disease. Like the 10 year old girl who sat next to me in a walk in clinic who I later overheard had mumps. I'm just glad I wasn't pregnant at the time. Or had one of my newborns with me. I'm sure her healthy 10 year old body would have fought it off. But what about the 30 others in the waiting room? Which included young children and newborns who were not vaccinated yet?



So I guess if you choose not to vaccinate your healthy child based on the faulty research of web doctors (and refuse to vaccinate for "philosophical" reasons. This does not incl those who *cannot* vaccinate due to medical conditions), that's fine. But if your child does catch one of these diseases. Don't be selfish and bring them to the doctors to infect those who genuinely can't be vaccinated or are too young to be vaccinated. Keep them at home and stay true to your convictions against medical science and let their natural immunities fight them off. Or have your doctor do house calls.