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Baby Training Article by Michael Pearl

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User - posted on 03/10/2010

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No wonder we have a society full of de-sensitized morons! First, desensitize the parents to the needs of their infants. Then teach them that physical abuse is an appropriate way to teach children. I see many children of parents that I know that live by this philosophy...their children are withdrawn and glum on to any one that is loving toward them. All in the name of not "spoiling" their children. So supposing that my children are "spoiled". They are all loving sweet boys with respect and love for every one. They are compassionate, well adjusted and have terrific self esteem. Can't say the same for most children in our society. Just ask criminals and teenage moms if it worked for them. HELLO!!!! You would think it is just common sense...but I guess not.

Brenda - posted on 03/09/2010

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Babies explore with their mouths, but the problem is this guy doesn't buy into the biology or psychology of development. That would be inconveient for his book sales.

Kristen - posted on 03/09/2010

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"The first time an infant pulls your hair, if you pull his, he will never be a hair-puller. One taste of a plastic toy communicates that it is not made to eat."

Is this man daft? Does he have children? Of course these are rhetorical questions - I know he has kids, and I know he's ridiculous! But seriously, have any of you known a baby to NOT repeatedly put things in his mouth? Or repeatedly pull hair (even IF you follow this insane mans advice)??? Dumb.

Brenda - posted on 03/08/2010

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And people like this is why I'm going into school counseling. When I encounter abuse, I will be putting the wheels in motion to help the child. And I won't have to work with the adult that does it.

Nicole - posted on 03/08/2010

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I read that article Geralyn and found out more and I am left with a question:

Why on Earth would someone adopt more children when they are obviously incapable of caring for their own biological children in a nurturing way???

Usually people have big families because they love having children in their home and don't mind the chaos that comes with that because at the end of the day (even with the chaos) having multiple children is a huge blessing. And, usually, people only adopt more to add to their large family because they are willing to take on more. NOT to have more children to abuse! Those people are insane!!! If anything, they need extensive psychiatric treatment!

Nicole - posted on 03/08/2010

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I am ALWAYS saddened when I hear of people using the the Bible or their faith as a reason to use corporal punishment or abuse their children. Especially among the Christians. Pretty much everything that I have ever read about Christ while he was upon the Earth was about love and forgiveness. I have interpreted Christ's teaching to show that children are one the most precious gifts from Heavenly Father. And our church leaders are very clear that parents teach better by example and with love than they ever will with punishment.

What happened to Lydia is distrubing and so senseless! How could anyone EVER think that was right? Even for a second???

About the "rod" in the Bible: The bible intself can be interpreted differently by different people. And, yes, a lot of the teachings in the Bible are meant to be figurative. Of course, this is if the Bible has been translated perfectly to begin with... So, again, "rod" could mean MANY things, not to mention, that it may not have been the right translation altogether.

Brenda - posted on 03/08/2010

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You know, people like Pearl are the reason that women have to fight so hard for equal rights and why minorities have to as well. People like him have used to Bible to subjigate women, blacks, and children for a very long time. Granted some of the worst sex acts are in the old testament, but the new testament is full of love for fellows. I just pain to hear of these things. But it is a matter of power. People in power want to keep their power, and it used to be men in the church had the power over whole towns. Then when the seperation of church and state here, they have to control people in another fashion.



That poor little girl. I can't imagine. And I keep coming back to the What Would Jesus Do? saying that was so popular. Jesus hismelf was whipped like that, and we consider that torture. Yet these people do the SAME THING to their children and consider it discipline.



And it doesn't work! It is proven again and again! Basic Behaviorism falls in four categories, negative and positive reinforcement, which most of us employ, and what some call positive and negative punishment, but more regularly is called punishment and extinction these days. The thing is that these things do not have to be bad, even for extinction and punishment. They are just names given to these behavior altering technique. If you want to decrease a behavior, like yelling, it is always a punishment or extinction, but that doesn't mean you have to spank. For example, you want to decrease yelling, you can choose to take away a toy (extinction) or give a time out (punishment). As opposed to using the other side, the reinforcement side, for increasing non yelling behavior, where you would reward not yelling (giving a toy or praise - which is pos reinforcement), or you let the child skip a chore for not yelling (neg reinforcement).



Increase behavior Decrease behavior

Apply Positive reinforcement Punishment

Remove Negative reinforcement Extinction



Either way, behaviorism is very effective in animals, which is why it is often referred to as "training". This is operant conditioning, actually.



There is another type, though. This is the "clicker" method often used with animals where they learn to pair a clicker with a reward, so the clicker sound is a reward. This is classical conditioning.



The thing to remember: this is conditioning. Behaviorism is about changing behaviors only, it is not concerned with the mental processes, with the thinking of the person, none of that stuff matters. This can be effective in a therapy sense, on certain occasions such as phobias using exposure therapy.



Okay, well, that got long. I was just thinking that we are talking about operant conditioning here (Pearl's method) and I thought I would elaborate on its uses. If you find this TMI, just ignore my post! LOL

Geralyn - posted on 03/07/2010

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I just found an article on Lydia. Paradise, CA is a little over an hour from where I live! I had not heard about this. A 7-year-old girl beaten by her adoptive parents with a pipe tubing "for hours" until she stopped breathing and went into full cardiac arrest. Her "crime"? Mispronouncing a word when reading a book during a homeschooling session....

http://www.paradisepost.com/news/ci_1437...

Minnie - posted on 03/07/2010

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What's hilarious is that Michale Pearl gave the media an initial statement after little Lydia Schatz's death. He said that they don't teach corporal punishment. (HUH?)

He also said he is not abusive- and his vehement supporters quote paragraphs out of his articles referencing MP's definition of abuse (see? Michael Pearl defines what abuse is right here, so it definitely isn't abuse!)

How can people be so idiotic? Great- Michael Pearl thinks he's not abusive. So? Of course he doesn't. He rakes in millions from the abuse of children and those millions are tax-exempt, by the way, of course he doesn't think he's abusive.

Minnie - posted on 03/07/2010

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Michael Pearl's wife wrote a book called Created to be His Helpmeet. It's abusive. She tells women to remain with men who beat them and their children, with her husband inserting little bits of his thoughts here and there, stating that it 'glorifies' God if she stays with an abusive husband.

This is what this parenting philosophy creates: robots for children, who fear their patriarchal fathers, cannot think for themselves, and are so used to being physically abused in childhood that these girls grow up to be those women who think they should remain in abusive relationships. Sickening. It leads to Quiverful families where women have no say over their own reproductive health and freedom.

Minnie - posted on 03/07/2010

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Traci- the rod has many purposes in the Bible- but it was never used to hit children with! Yes- it was a shepherd's staff- used to ward off predators and guide sheep- what shepherd would beat his livelihood?

The rod was also a scepter carried by kings and tribal leaders. With kings, when extended it gave life, when withdrawn it took away life. A weary traveler could look toward the scepter of a travel leader for shelter and protection. The problem with interpreting the Bible is that when the King James was translated it was translated in a western viewpoint. Here in the west we see rod and think punishment. Oriental people see the hebreic word for rod (shebet) and think comfort (seriously, how could a rod and staff used to beat a child comfort him?) shelter, and guidance.

I interpret the rod verses figuratively- proverbs is a book of wisdom, full of poetic license, and purposeful exaggerations (no one would REALLY slit his throat if he was given over to eating too much food) to make points. The rod is parental wisdom and guidance- that is all!

Geralyn - posted on 03/07/2010

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According to "Laughing" by Pearl, its the same pipe that he used to train his dog not to eat the chicken food. Unbelieveable. Unfathomable. Someone should take a pipe to him and beat the crap out of him. It is disturbing that his granddaughters spank the dolls. Do they use a pipe, too?

Cassy - posted on 03/07/2010

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I was looking at the posts from parent on the fan page and am literally feeling sick to my stomach right now. I cannot believe how many people out their are actually listening to this man and allowing him to teach them how to properly train/abuse their children so it won't leave bruising!!?!! http://www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=98...

"Please give me a description of the switch or rod of which you so often speak. I wish you could send me one so I could see it.

The rod we speak of is a plumbing supply line that can be bought at any hardware store or large department store. It is a slim, flexible, plastic tubing that supplies water to sinks, and toilets. Ask for "¼ inch supply line." They cost less than one dollar. I always give myself one swat before I swat the child to remind myself how much force to exert. It stings the skin without bruising or damaging tissue. It’s a real attention-getter. Michael demonstrates its use in our new Seminar videos." http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/articles/gen...

Melinda - posted on 03/07/2010

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In the Bible, it is written that when children are turned away from Jesus, He say's 'Let the little children come to me!' The bible also teaches that children are a blessing! It also gives instructions such as 'Fathers, do NOT exacerbate your children.' How anyone could interpret God's love for children into abusive behavour is beyond me. The bible also teaches, 'Treat others how you want to be treated'. It is sad to see the Bible twisted out of recognition for someone's gain or just to try and prove a point. I can't even bring myself to look at what this lunatic has written.

Brenda - posted on 03/07/2010

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Hrm. Skinner Box. Either that or lets hook him up like Pavlov's dogs, and see how much he can salivate for his dinner bell.

Boy am I snarky and sarcastic lately. :) As long as those on the receiving end are deserving, and well Pearl definately is. Can't stand it when people twist something like the Bible (or anything Holy or respected) to be interpreted in the way they want it to be just to support their own ways. Just truely sickening that someone who follows a benevolent God and a benevolent savior such as Jesus could say that treating children like this is right. It mars the beauty of what can be such a wonderful religion for so many.

Traci - posted on 03/06/2010

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Wow. That link you posted to his recent FB post... amazing. Little girls spanking their dolls? Surely they are not so blind as to see how awful this must be... it reminds me of the things girls do to dolls when they are being sexually abused. I... really. Words fail me. I can't even begin to get them out of my head in any sort of logical fashion.

Katherine - posted on 03/06/2010

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Ok have to say this: The whole spare the rod spoil the child IS NOT from the bible. It's actually from a poem and it makes me nuts when people misuse it.





If you are familiar with the phrase, "Spare the rod, spoil the child," you might be under the impression that it comes from The Bible, more specifically, the book of Proverbs. Unfortunately (or from my point of view, I suppose it is very fortunate), it actually comes from a satirical poem, Hudibras, written by Samuel Butler in the 1600s. Go ahead and take a look at Part II Canto I, around line 840. Did you find it? It probably wasn't what you expected to read in connection to disciplining a child, was it?



I find it interesting that a line from a poem that is discussing spanking in the context of a sexual relationship is linked with physical discipline for a child. Just a few lines down Butler says,





Why may not whipping have as good

A grace, perform'd in time and mood,

With comely movement, and by art,

Raise passion in a lady's heart?

It is an easier way to make 855

Love by, than that which many take.

Who would not rather suffer whipping,

Than swallow toasts of bits of ribbon?

Make wicked verses, treats, and faces,

And spell names over with beer-glasses 860

Be under vows to hang and die

Love's sacrifice, and all a lie?

Yes, of course, makes total sense right? I mean, who wants to deal with all that romantic crap, flowers and chocolate and whispering sweet nothings when you can just spank your partner on the behind and get on with the "love-making". And from there it is easy to make the leap across the Grand Canyon and infer that Butler (who is right up there with Paul, maybe even Jesus) means we should beat our children on the backside with a rod or they will be spoiled brats.

Brenda - posted on 03/06/2010

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Lisa you give me hope for the future of Christianity....and so do all those that rail against the likes of Pearl. :)

Traci - posted on 03/06/2010

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Lisa, I have heard that the 'rod' is actually a shepherd's crook, meant to corral and keep the flock safe. That made such a huge change in my brain when I learned that, just a short while ago.

I had not heard of Lydia Schatz. I knew there were a couple children before, and it hurt my heart so bad I had to stop reading on the subject. I just can't fathom anyone using the words of the Bible to such an insidious end.

Geralyn - posted on 03/06/2010

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That statement is outrageous! He is absolutely certifiably crazy! Yeah, his kids as adults will be able to help our imbalanced, hedonistic, kids as adults.... Absolutely crazy....

Katherine - posted on 03/06/2010

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Can't even read it. What the hell is he talking about???? Humans or "animals." Good Lord how obtuse and shallow.



(My first time being subjected to Pearl) Pearl makes me want to HURL

Minnie - posted on 03/06/2010

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Sane Christians do not interpret the Bible as supporting corporal punishment for children. The verses about the rod in Proverbs are figurative. The rod was a six foot pole- no one can beat a child with that and have that child live!

As it is- Michael Pearl is the patriarch of this child rearing philosophy. He pastors his own church and has everyone wrapped around his little finger. He uses fear- that you are not right with God if you do not parent his way, and that you are not a fit parent if you do not parent his way.

Here is the link to his latest statement, via his facebook fan page:

http://www.facebook.com/notes/no-greater...

Jesus never condoned physical violence. His disciples were back-stabbing, disobedient, doubting, lazy people. And he loved them and admonished them with words. In fact, Jesus said that whatever we do to the least of these brethren (meaning children) we do to him. And that it would be better to hang a millstone around one's neck and drown than harm a child.

Brenda - posted on 03/06/2010

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He has the Almighty GOD behind him! GOD tells him how to discipline his children and if you disobey him, you are weak and unworthy of the Almighty's grace! GOD says beat your children to death, you know. It is all over the Bible. Jesus was big on whipping kids until they couldn't stand. You know, just like he was whipped before they hung him on the cross. If it was good enough for him, every child should be whipped. Hell, lets break out the scourges like was really used on Jesus, and put these pretend whips of plumbing material away.

Oh wait, we have these things called laws today. I'd hate to see what he would have said before child abuse laws were in effect.

Geralyn - posted on 03/06/2010

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I'd love to see his latest statement. His thinking is scary... I mean, what is his background? Just cuz he has kids and raised them a certain way gives him the authority to espouse his very rigid approach in a very judgmental way...?

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Hi, i only read the first few bits and was quite disgusted and just couldn't read on, what an idiot

Minnie - posted on 03/06/2010

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What I think is that Michael Pearl is an arrogant, holier-than-thou, judgemental, justifying person who lacks grace, compassion, and mercy for the most vulnerable and impressionable members of our society. He is running a cult out there in Tennessee.



I have made a point to post several articles on his teachings on Facebook, because I have contacts that support and follow No Greater Joy ministries' teachings.



They use minimal bible reference for defending their child rearing philosophy. Most of their philosophy is based on the Amish way of training their horses and mules. And these animals are typically beaten, broken, and worked into the ground.



I could go on and on about this man and his organization. It hits a very personal note for me, because we spent five years in a church that lifted this man up so much that if you didn't espouse to his philosophy you were considered a back-slidden Christian. Everything about him sums up the environment that we were surrounded with, and it hurt my relationship with my daughter and my husband. We are slowly pulling ourselves out of the mire- it changes your whole view of the world and of children, and is extremely toxic. This whole thing- the Lydia Schatz case, the seven year old who was slowly and methodically whipped to death two weeks ago, elicits extremely visceral feelings from me.





I know this child training program like the back of my hand and have read most of his works. He is so incredibly insidious, and preys on the fears of parents and Christians alike, saying that one is not fit to be a parent if you cannot spank your children.



I can send a link if you like to his most recent statement.

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