Pump and Dump

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Ok I have a new baby boy...He will be 8 weeks on Friday. I have been exclusively breastfeeding with the occasional bottle ( I will eventually go back to work). We went out to dinner on Sunday night with some friends and I decided to have a margarita. I figured I had just fed him and if he got hungry I have milk on hand from what I pumped earlier. When we got home I pumped because it was about time for a feeding and I was still feeling the effects of the alcohol so I wanted to be safe...It broke my heart to dump it out. It is almost not worth drinking to me because I hated dumping it out. My husband laughed at me because to him it is so simple...I have an endless supply the way he looks at it. My question is, do others feel this way. Do you hate pumping and wasting it? Or feeling as if you wasted something so precious LOL Please let me know how you feel. Thanks

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Martha - posted on 03/01/2010

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Of course it hurts to dump out that hard worked for milk! :)
I know you said you were feeling the effects of the alcohol, but just in case you don't know for the future, the rule of thumb is "safe enough to drive safe enough to nurse". Because alcohol metabolisis (sp?) it ends up barely being in your milk if at all. So in all actuallity that one margarita probably wouldn't have hurt anything at all. I forget the exact numbers, but i believe it was something like less than 1% of the alcohol that gets in your blood, gets in your milk, so unless your completely plastered, you milk probably would have less alcohol in it than mouthwash lol. ALSO you could always just wait about an hour or 2 after your last drink to nurse even if its going an hour longer than you normally would without nursing/pumping, it really shouldn't effect supply and this way no wasted gold! :) Hope that made sense lol. I ramble sometimes sorry! ♥!

Chrystall - posted on 03/04/2010

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lol I thought I was the only one. But in the beginning I was obsessed with milk supply thinking that it was gonna disappear overnight or something. So even if she let go and the milk sprayed it was like an emergency to get her latched back on lol. But now that it seems like I'm gonna have milk til the end of time, I don't panic...that much anyway:O)

Nicole - posted on 03/04/2010

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Don't waste your milk! It is safe to nurse and have a drink. If you are safe to drive you are safe to nurse. Look at the stats on kellymom.com, the la leche league website, or check out the world health organization guidelines. If your BAC is .08 your milk alcohol level is only .002 %- which is the same as a glass of Orange Juice!

Kristin - posted on 03/05/2010

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If i have one drink I don't dump. I've nursed my baby for a year now and have fed her every time after a glass of wine or margarita. She never seemed to have any effects from it. It could be my ignorance but have your read that even with one drink you should dump?

Jean - posted on 03/05/2010

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I feel the same way! I hate to have to pump and dump but, you have to if you want to keep your milk supply going strong! I drink occasionally and I don't know how long the alchol stays in your system so I bought something called milkscreen (www.milkscreen.com) and it is an easy way to detect alcohol in breast milk. So from now on if I have a drink I test my milk to see if it is okay to breast feed my baby or if I have to pump or dump and feed him some milk that I have stored. I hope this helps!

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Buddy - posted on 08/31/2012

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I'm a father of two beautiful girls. My wife has latelty falled off the wagon with our last little girl she's breast feeds and she's read posts where the "PUMP AND DUMP" methods or that the achohol flushes threw your system articles. Truthfully we found out that this is a lie. There are trace amounts left in the milk and it doesn't flush like it does threw your system. My wife didn't beleive me. Until I showed her. I make my own home made wines and I know how to conduct alchol level tests. She agreed to my expirement and we did the first test to find traces of alchol in the milk. So she went a week before we started, which she pumped a couple days prior for extra milk. The next test we stared a week later tested find 0.0 levels. She had a beer and she didn't breast feed for a day in a half, which it was hard for her. Like I suspected, there was still trace alchol levels in her breast milk. It didn't flush threw her milk like flushed through her body. That was only one beer within a 36 hour time frame. My concern is mothers read posts like this and beleieve things that really haven't been looked at. I beleieve that anything in moderation is key. It may not hurt the baby, but your kidding yourself to beleieve that it's not in your system. She has stopped drinking all together now that she knows that it stays in here breast milk until it's flushed out she only has a couple more months till she can have a beer and she's counting down the days. More for me, but I'm more of a wine guy. =) Hope this helps.

Barbara - posted on 03/06/2010

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It takes 2 - 3 hours to process one drink (12 oz beer, 6 oz wine, or 1 1/2 oz liquor) out of your body. Alcohol moves very quickly from blood to milk, but it also goes out of the milk and back into the bloodstream as your blood levels drop. This is a common question we get on our Breastfeeding Warmline. Most moms can only tolerate one drink anyway, (tired from lack of sleep) so usually don't have more than one anyway! If you're not sure, pump and SAVE IT, then contact your local lactation consultant.

Annemarie - posted on 03/06/2010

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I got a bad freezer story that will make ALL of you sick. We lost power for 4 days and when we finally got power back ALL of the milk had some thawed milk!!! I had to throw away over 200 oz of milk... All of this was excess from when my daughter was still in the NICU. So needless to say I have NOTHING to feed her when we are out!!!

Christina - posted on 03/06/2010

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It's hard to pump and dump. You are not alone on that. I have an occaisional beer and my pediatrician said that should be fine and I didn't have to pump and dump. Beer has brewer's yeast which is actually good for milk production. You can buy little test strips that will tell you the alcohol level in your breast milk (Target sells them). One drink, as long as it's small, is probably ok. But..you have to do what makes you comfortable.

Kelly - posted on 03/05/2010

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Liquid gold. So sad to watch it go down the drain. I just recently started enjoying the occasional glass of wine with dinner after my baby goes to bed. She sleeps long enough now that first stretch that I don't bother with pump/dump. If I even feel any effects from that glass of wine, they are long gone by the time she needs a feeding again.

Heather - posted on 03/05/2010

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Yes, I always felt like it was liquid gold. But if you still felt the effects of the alcohol, then you did the right thing by puming and dumping. You'll make more. ; ) -Heather

Trese - posted on 03/04/2010

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I enjoyed a night out about 2 months of birth and had to pump and dump. It did break my hear to wast the milk especially since it was so hard for me to get ample supply. I found a breast milk tested at BabiesR Us. I found that the alcohol content in the breast does not last as long as you think. The test cost like 5 dollas for 3 tester strips and you just put a drop of your milk on it and wait for the strip to change colors.

Michelle - posted on 03/03/2010

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I feel your pain and understand.. BUT there is something that you can do..There are strips called Milk Screen that detect alcohol in the milk.. They are GREAT and they do work. Here is the website http://www.milkscreen-moms.com/ they sell them at Babies R Us and HEB if there is one in your area..

Adrian - posted on 03/03/2010

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I haven't had to dump yet but I can really understand. I go back to work tomorrow and I have worked so hard to stock up milk over the past few weeks. I have managed to pull together 52 ounces as of last night. I have been so careful to make sure I didn't spill a single drop. I even felt kind of bad about the little tiny bit left in the bottle from where I pumped and had to pour it into a freezer storage bag. Those little drops I couldn't get out. I was so excited. So I told my significant other and his response was, "Ok, is that good?" I wanted to smack him. Then my mother responded with, "Ok, how far will that get you?" They have no idea how hard I worked to collect that much milk. It's unbelievable. I swear. I think I could have screamed at both of them!

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Yup, I hate having to pump and dump...in my case spill!!! My boobs don't like being pumped and I have to work hard to get a 5 oz bottle!! Sometimes it takes a couple of pumping sessions to get that much! I was invited to a friends house for supper one evening and had two 5 oz bottles in the fridge for my hubby to feed our little one a bottle before he went to bed, I had an extra in there just in case! Good thing, I get a phone call from my hubby telling me to be sure I got home by 11pm for our son's next feeding because he dumped the liquid gold in the ventaire bottle without putting the bottom on first...dumbass....so he had to use the extra bottle in the fridge to feed him. Yup, divorce passed through my mind briefly!! lol

Andrea - posted on 03/03/2010

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you can also freeze the milk because after 3 months they can handle one drink in your system

Andrea - posted on 03/03/2010

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go on the motherrisk website- just google it. there is no need to pump and dump. motherrisk is the BEST webiste for information on breastfeeding and drugs and alcohol and all other info for pregnant moms. the alcohol will leave your body after a certain amount of time depending on your weight. i hope this helps and makes sense. the website is through the sick kids hospital.

Kristina - posted on 03/03/2010

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I never dumped but I did spill lol I also had a cat who would steal the bottles with the breastmilk in them. He would chew the nipple right off and drink it. I just wanted to cry because it always took so long to pump and if it happened when I was sleeping and my bf would be taking care of my son he would have to wake me up to feed my little man. I know it sucks so bad Ive spilt so many bottles of it that it was just down right ridiculous. I know how bad it sucks lol

Crystal - posted on 03/02/2010

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It feels like someone is ripping my heart out when I have to dump milk out! I do ANYTHING not to have to waste milk, even now and I have 200+ oz in the freezer and my kid is 9 months old! My husband spilled a 5 oz bottle one day and I thought I was gonna die! P.S. If you have a drink AS SOON AS you feed your baby, you should be able to feed him the next time unless it is within 2 hours of the last feeding, or you are still feeling the effects. There aren't clear cut rules, but I researched it on Kellymom.com and llli.org

Jennifer - posted on 03/02/2010

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Totally feel this way ... we work so hard for that perfect food for our babies. You're not alone in that feeling.

Michelle - posted on 03/02/2010

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i have a hard time using a pump so i had a bunch of bags in my freezer with just a about 3 oz in each. ive been trying to save them up for when i finally feel comfortable letting my daughter go over night at her dads. but 2 weeks ago my freezer went on the fritz...not only did i loose most of my food in there but all the milk ive been saving up curdled and went bad i was soooo mad so now i have to start at this annoying process again.

Heather - posted on 03/02/2010

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The worse pumping and dumping story:



Two days after the birth of my daughter, we were transported to a NICU at a larger hospital because she was not having a bowel movement and the colon was enlarged! We were no longer able to feed her, day three she was operated on to correct her colon. When the digestive track is operated on, the whole system shuts down and takes days to reactivate and you have to feed very slowly so you don't cause even more pain! So I was not able to breastfeed for two weeks. I was pumpling like crazy and giving it to the NICU to store in a freezer for me. When she did start eating she was given 5mL the 1st day and increased 5mL each day until she was at a full feeding. So here I am pumping a stinking 6-10 oz every 4 hrs and she's only eating 40 mL for the first day!!!!!! After two weeks you can imagine how much milk I had stored up. I had two hopsital bags full and packed on ice.



Here's the suckest part! All that milk pumped and I had to somehow transport it home after two weeks when we were able to take her home. The drive = 1 hr and 15 mins and I only had it on Ice. So when I got home, stuck most of it in the freezer(the ones that hadn't thawed). So when I went to use it a few months later....EVERY BAG CURDDLED AND WENT SOUR WHEN IT THAWED!! I had ALL that milk and had to dump it ALL because it must have went bad on the trip to the home freezer!!!!! I was sick to my stomach!! I could have at least donated all that in the hospital if I knew it was going to go bad on the way home!! ARGH!!!!

Jennifer - posted on 03/02/2010

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at 8 weeks, I would not pump & dump for occasional alcohol. if you've had 1 glass of wine and are feeling it *a bit* (but not a lot) and it is an occasional thing, I would go ahead and nurse. If you're smashed or it's a regular thing, then definately dump. after 6 weeks post partum, there is not a whole lot that gets through into your milk so I wouldn't really worry about the tiny tiny bit that does if it is an occasional thing.

Michelle - posted on 03/02/2010

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I absolutely hate wasting breast milk. I bought something called Milk Screen for times I wanted to drink to be sure there wasn't alcohol in my milk. I usually had 1 drunk & waited about 3 hours to pump, os I was always negative anyway, but still. Better to be safe.

Lisa - posted on 03/02/2010

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It's definitely emotional when something you own body has created for the purpose of fueling the life you have created gets wasted, even though there is a potentially endless supply. It's a little contradictory, but I think it's just one of those many things that is instinct to make us want to give our children the best care possible. Pumping and dumping because you've had some alcohol really is pointless. If you just wait about 2 hours, the alcohol in the milk that you would have dumped out will have metabolized and will no longer be in the milk. If you were engorged, that's a different story.

Marabeth - posted on 03/02/2010

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i dump my extra (a rarity) in one of my many houseplants. i dunno if it does anything but i figure its better than the drain :)

Andrea - posted on 03/02/2010

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Oh gosh! EVERY time I pump and dump I almost cry - Especially since it's a struggle each day for me to keep my supply up - my body is SO sensitive to waiting too long, or not emptying the breast - I just hate putting it down the drain! I wouldn't feel nearly as bad throwing away formula! and you spend money on that stuff! hahahaha.

Nikki - posted on 03/02/2010

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there is as much alcohol in your milk as there is in you bloodstream, so if you even got really wasted your blood levels are like .05, .1, and that's how much would be in your milk. i think i heard lethal levels in your is up there at .5 and i don't think any mom would get that wasted and want to take care of her kids the next day , nursing or not. but orange juice have tiny bits of alcohol in it and i think most non alcoholic beers have less than .1% in it. i don't think it's needed to pump and dump, just don't feed the baby if your're "feeling it". i hope that makes sense, it took a while for me to fully understand, and i'm not an expert on the percentage levels, though i know i'm in the right ball park

Michelle - posted on 03/02/2010

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I think a pump and dump is better than a really upset baby with belly issues . With my 2nd son I had hit legal drinking age exactly a month after he was born . I had found on the occasional out to eat and a drink with dinner when I nursed him he fussed and made god awful faces , became more gassy and his poo smelled like grain from the alcohol . He would then end up screaming with his knees drawn to his chest for most of the day . He also got severe runs , I know BF poo is runny to start but this was really nasty , raunchy , smelly , all over the place , huge mess to clean up poos !
This only happened after I had a drink or 2 . My hubby thought I may have been over exagerating so we kept a log . After the 3rd time we decided it was not worth the drink or 2 and went virgin for celebrations .
SO if you want a mixed drink , most places offer the virgin type !

Beck - posted on 03/02/2010

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Hehehe I am glad I am not the only one. I used to get so disheartened if bub left any in a bottle I had expressed if I went out. It was like "ahhh I worked so hard making that"... which of course I didn't really and had plenty more! Liquid gold is what it is!

Shana - posted on 03/01/2010

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I have A LOT of milk, but it doesn't like to come out when I pump. I came home from work one night and my fiance and baby were sleeping, and on the computer desk was a SIX OUNCE bottle of milk sitting there all wasted, I was so upset I cried!

Dani - posted on 03/01/2010

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Hey just some info you prolly dont know i didnt until i talked to docs and health nurses but. Pumping and dumping does not get rid of the alcohol in your milk ! Not one bit , Your milk is a blood product . If theres alcohol in your blood its in your milk . Look up the mother risk chart.... It tells you the appropriate amount of time to wait until there is no alcohol in your milk based on your weight and how many drinks you have had. Long story short you dont have to pump unless it is for comfort cause you are sore from going so long with out a feed. For example if you weight 145 pounds and you start drinking at 7 pm and you drink 8 drinks . Your wait time until its safe to feed is 18 hours from the time of your First drink. > So 1 pm the next day. Then if you could stand the discomfort that long you could pump and save that milk ! no wasteing lol !

Melyssa - posted on 03/01/2010

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Since the return of my period my milk dropped a ton. So I have been doing as much pumping as possible, its helped return it. When I go out to the city which is a 45minute to an hour drive depending on where Im going I will take a bottle. I either use it while I am there and wait to pump again to make up for it in the evening, however if I just run in and run straight back out and baby doesn't eat I get home and usually dump it. Especially now when my milk has been dwindling and just returning to full strength it kills me to throw it out, but I won't return it to the fridge.

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Let me rephrase..the reason I pumped is because I was full and I had had the drink about an hour earlier. Even with my son nursing eight to ten times a day I still produce a ridiculous amount of milk. My point was that even though I know the facts about drinking and nursing and pumping I just hated wasting it lol...Even though I produce a ton of milk I still hate wasting it. I just wanted to see if anyone else felt the same way. I totally love the responses I have gotten so far.
My LC told me that as long as I still feel the effects of the alcohol it is still in my blood stream and you should not nurse. Plus I am one of the crazy moms that really watches what I put in my body for fear that it will pass onto my baby. I was the same way when prego. Anywho again I love the responses I have gotten...Thanks ladies

Christina - posted on 03/01/2010

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I know Chelsea! My husband spilled a 3 oz. bottle once and we nearly got a divorce!LOL

Christina - posted on 03/01/2010

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You wanna hear a bad pump and dump story?! For the last 8 days I have been pumping and dumping because I had to go on a steroid cream and antibiotic for a small infection I had. The pharmacist told me I could not nurse while on either of these. After my milk supply started to greatly decrease by day 8 I decided to call the LC. She told me that both were actually safe for nursing mothers just not for pregnant women!!! I was so pissed! I had thrown out 8 days/nights worth of milk. Not to mention I am now trying to get my milk supply back. Sooooo discouraging.

Melissa - posted on 03/01/2010

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you dont need to pump and dump, i asked my LC about it. only pump if ur too full feeling and u need relief. once the alcohol has metabolised in ur system it is safe to feed baby again. youd be fine to nurse after one drink. check out this link...
http://www.beststart.org/resources/alc_r...

Jeanelle - posted on 03/01/2010

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HI Ashley.... Well I have been told that the liquor stays in your system for about 2 hours... So it doesnt matter if you pump and dump... They have this product that you can purchase called "Milkscreen" it costs about 6 bucks and it will test to see if you have alcohol in your milk... Here is the website check it out... I hope it helps I know we all need to unwind from time to time =)

http://www.upspringbaby.com/index.php?ma...

Chelseaszidik - posted on 03/01/2010

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Yes I feel your pain. When I was pumping and would knock over a bottle I would nerely cry!

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