war againts women

Christina - posted on 08/26/2012 ( 26 moms have responded )

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I keep hearing this term being used by candidates for the up coming election... It has been followed by women's rights including but not limited to abortion and equal pay... these arent new topics some states have made new laws on abortion or heath care and even pay or benifits for women at work... I was just wonder what your opinons are on this and also what you think of the terms the candidates are using... do you feel your rights are in danger?

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Carla - posted on 09/01/2012

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I agree 100%, Linda. Our ancestors moved to America originally from England so we could worship Jesus Christ in our own way, not ruled by the Church of England. Our country has prospered above all others because of this. Our infrastructure worked because we weren't constrained by government. Until recently. I am not Catholic---however----if the Catholics religiously disagree with contraceptives, isn't it persecuting a religion to force them to provide them? I have read recently that they are trying to make a ruling that you don't even have to be of the same religion/denomination to hold a position within a church. Are you going to want your children being taught by a person who doesn't hold your specific beliefs? Are you going to sit under a pastor, putting yourself under his cloak of coverage, if you feel he is wrong?



As for equal pay for women---my husband worked at a dangerous prison for over 20 years. There were a lot of women working alongside him. Same pay, same benefits. However, when there was an incident of violence, 99% of the women would step aside and let the men take care of the violence. They received the benefits, but shouldered none of the dangers. This is wrong. If you are talking about working in an office or a 'normal' work environment, then yes, equal pay should be given.



America has given all people the opportunity to achieve the 'American Dream'. But somewhere along the line people have gotten the idea that this is a 'right'. No, it isn't. I hear on TV that healthcare is a right. No, it is a privilege. We lived most of our children's lives without insurance. We just didn't run to the doctor or emergency room with every little sniffle or scrape. We treated ourselves at home. We took care of our own. Think about all the stuff you hear on TV 'you deserve a break today', 'you deserve to drive this $50,000 car'. America has the highest standard of life than most other countries. This should be enough, but it never is. We always want something more.



This November is a turning point. Do we want Christian values and self-reliance and self-responsibility, or do we want, as has been stated 'We are no longer a Christian nation'. This is truly a chilling time. We need to be seeking God's face for the right choice in the voting booth.



God bless all

Lauren - posted on 10/02/2012

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Teresa - I completely understand your frustration but just because you hear or read in one place that "conservatives" don't think you deserve support does not mean that's what all true conservatives actually believe. I tend to lean more conservative on most issues, and I was fired while 7 months pregnant last year. I had lots of savings, but even with unemployment, I still had to rely on those savings--and now have a lot less in my bank account. But does that mean that I am mad at conservatives? No!



What conservatives do believe is that people should work hard to support themselves. That being said, people need help sometimes. Single parents who are escaping an abusive relationship, people who lose their jobs like you and me, etc. And those people DO deserve help. But, they should also do what they can to continue searching for another job. You mention yourself that you aren't looking for a job because of other obligations and political issues. Why on earth would you choose to remain in a situation where you HAVE to rely on the government? I can't imagine it allows you to provide for your children like you really want to. As a conservative, I think our country needs to do MORE to help those in need, but people relying on government support shouldn't have a permanent free ride either.



I encourage you to consider both sides of the political spectrum--and try to get the information from sources as unbiased as you can. A large majority of news outlets lean more liberal so much of the media tends to portray conservatives as the things you have mentioned. The core concept--we all want good things for our country so we should try to understand one another and set an example for our horribly frustrating Congress.



Going back to the war on women debate--it's very much centered around abortion. This is something that unbelievably infuriates me. Pro-choicers argue that it's a women's "choice" to have a baby--my personal opinion ... great, stand up for a women's right to reproduce, but she made that choice when she got pregnant (and for healthcare, rape and incest--it's less than 1 percent of abortions, so not a valid argument for the HUGE majority of abortions). I also personally don't feel it's right to say a baby INSIDE a woman's body is HER body, but, ultimately, they are looking out for a women's right. Similarly, pro-lifers are also looking out for the safety of women. Abortions are physically harmful to women, and a woman who undergoes an abortion is much more likely (can't recall the percentage) to commit suicide within one year after. Plus there are tons of emotional and potentially physical reprocussions down the road. Additionally, pro-lifers want to protect the unborn living child (girls included). And if they are defending their stance well, pro-lifers should also support help for women and children during the decision, as well as after birth.



My point in all of this ... we are all looking to improve things. We are all looking out for the good of women. We just need to stop attacking one another and start focusing our energy on getting our government to play nice so something can actually get done!

Linda - posted on 09/04/2012

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Teresa, I'm sorry you're out of work. This economy is definitely a difficult one in which to find a job. This isn't really a political forum....more of a place for Christians to encourage one another. However, I think if you looked past the talking points of the liberal media, you would find the facts....that Republicans and Conservatives give away FAR more of their income to charity than the liberals do. It's easy to give away other people's money, more personal to give away your own. And for the record, the economy was destroyed by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd refusing to rein in the lending practices of Freddy/Fanny Mae (something which Bush urged them to do repeatedly), along with Clinton's changing the rules to lend to sub-prime buyers...which tanked our economy. The increasingly burdensome regulations of the current administration will keep our economy from ever again prospering. Businesses will not hire more people if they are uncertain about future taxes. Unlike the federal government, businesses simply cannot spend more money than they take in. So, if you want a job, pray that Obama does not get reelected.

Carla - posted on 09/02/2012

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@Sarah--baby, you may respectfully disagree with me anytime ;)



I've lived a LOT of years, and my comments come from watching and listening. We all work within the confines of what we have. Health care coverage is a fairly recent thing, relatively speaking. NO ONE had health insurance when I was a kid, and we managed. Like I said, we didn't get it until the kids were teenagers.



The Constitution states our rights are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Slowly, we are losing our liberty in favor of political correctness and people have taken out 'the pursuit of' and just think we have happiness as our right. There are almost more people on welfare, disability and Social Security now than are working. Half a workforce cannot sustain the other half. People are going on Social Security Disability for asthma, dyslexia, diabetes, etc, maladies that, while troubling, aren't debilitating. Then the older workers who have WORKED all their lives will be out of luck when they get to 65. My children, and you younger women will have to bear this tax burden throughout your working years. With a $15 trillion deficit, it's only going to get worse, not better. You cannot legislate life.



We have gotten off-topic, and I apologize to Christina.



God bless

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Carla, most of the time you speak a lot of sense and I usually agree with you, but I really do think that universal healthcare shouldn't just be a priviledge for those who can afford it.



In the UK we have free healthcare, paid for from our taxes and it is available at the point of need from the cradle to the grave. It's not perfect. There are waiting lists for many procedures, but on the whole it works and people don't have to worry about whether they can afford to take their child to the doctor. Most people respect the system and don't abuse it with trivial issues.



I would also say that being a christian is recognising that we can't be self reliant and are totally reliant on God. The early church shared everything and looked out for each other and cared for the poor and their numbers grew massively. I think part of the decline of the church in the West is that we just don't care enough about others, especially the poor.



I hope I haven't offended you, as I really do respect you.

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Megan_johansan - posted on 11/09/2018

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there is no war against woman. The press hates the president and they want to scare you.

Kimberlee - posted on 11/04/2012

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Women are not at greater rsk of having mental health problems due to an abortion. The studies have shown that the greatest predictor of a womans mental health after an abortion , is her mental health history before an abortion.





• In repeated studies since the early 1980s, leading experts have concluded that abortion does not pose a hazard to women’s mental health.[13] - http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induce...

Teresa - posted on 10/06/2012

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Sorry for the bad typos. New computer and I'm still gettin used to the keyboard. ;-)

Teresa - posted on 10/06/2012

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Lauren, I must've misrepresented myself. I am not looking for a job right now because I AM a full-time nursing student and living off my savings. I get no gov't help except WIC, which gives us baby cereal, formula, and baby food, and Healthchoice for my two sons. My oldest will always be eligible in NC because he was born 3 months early. In fact when we got pregnant with him w did not have health insurance an I told my husband we would pay the bill, then my son ame 3 months early and the interventionist at the hospital signed my son up for Medicaid STAT! Thank God, the billing statements we got were in the hundredds of thousands, and we were healthy people with no substance abuse or any sign that our son would come that early. The obnly eason we didn't have insurance is that the jobs we BOTH worked didn't offer them. We don't live off the gov't. but our health of our sons is taken care of. ANd the preemie, has been healthy since with no major issues, never gets sick and my secnd is the same. We do not live off the govt.

Oh I did get a pell grant for part of my school but I paid most of it. I do believe that a person heps themselves, but there are aot of AMericans that are faliing through the loopholes. A Georgi PAcific plant cosed here a few years back and in this small town (5000-6000) people that was the major employer. WHere do they go? The gov't. We're talking several hundreds of families whose main supporter is now unemployed. Get a job? Ok in a town the pop. of @6000 how many jobs do you thin therre are for these hundreds of workers? That is wht I was tlking about. ANd I don't feel the love from the Repubs and haven't since thier FIRST of 31 votse in congress wasted on overturning Obamacare while a Jobs bil languished on the sidelines.

Jesusiswhite - posted on 09/28/2012

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IT'S THOSE GOD DAMN NIGGER LOVING HOMOSEXUAL FAGGOTS THAT LIVE IN THE NORTH WHO KEEP TRYING TO PUSH THEIR SCIENCE BASED LIES ON OUR CHILDREN. ONLY A DELUSIONAL PERSON WOULD EVER THINK THE USE OF CONTRACEPTIVES IS MORAL SINCE IT CLEARLY STATES IN THE BIBLE THAT JESUS HATES PEOPLE WHO MURDER SPERM. PRAISE THE WHITE GOD WHO GAVE US COMMON SENSED CHRISTIAN FOLK WHO WANT TO BAN THE EVIL CONTRACEPTIVES A VOICE IN OUR GOVERNMENT. GOD BLESS RICK SANTORUM. GOD WILL SURELY DESTROY AMERICA IF WE KEEP DISOBEYING HIM AND USING CONTRACEPTIVES. WE SHOULD FOLLOW OUR CONSTITUTION AND BE A NATION LIVING FOR THE CHRISTIAN GOD!!!!!!!!!!

Teresa - posted on 09/28/2012

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Seriously ask, "WHat would Jesus do?" The Bible says what he did and most political candidates would not like it.

Teresa - posted on 09/28/2012

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Until the candidates come up with a better plan than "creating more jobs" which is what ALL candidates promise then I will not be charmed. I am NOT working because I am a full-time nursing student and I am living off my own savings that I saved the last 6 years of working a minimun wage job, well minimum wage to most of you. I feel no love from the republcans because their only answer to those in a small ton whose ONLY major employer shut down is, "Get a job and support yourslf." DUH. That is what we were doing until the plant closed down and now you're telling us there is no help for us but we can sustain a war?!? You want to help us but your plan is like putting a bandaid on severed limb. We have people with no money for food in this US county! SHame on a country that wont take care of it's vulnerable and explain it away as capitolism! SHAME SHAME!

Julie - posted on 09/18/2012

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Yeah Angela, Women in America have all the State Laws of protection as you stated. We have "penalties" as well. The problem is we are a "Law suit happy" Country. So employers have Rights as well to protect themselves. Then it gets into Courts, and legal fees and well...

Safe to say, most people end up with an "At Will" employee contract. No fault. You can leave at will, they can terminate at will.

Carla - posted on 09/04/2012

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I don't know of any other country than America that was founded so people could worship Jesus without persecution. Jesus was THE REASON America was founded. The separation of Church and State will be found NOWHERE in our Constitution or Bill of Rights. This phrase was written in a private letter to a clergyman who was afraid the government would mandate a certain church, or denomination, like England did, which they had just left. The writer, and I'm sorry, I don't remember who it was, but he assured the pastor America would never hamper the worship of Jesus and the Christian religion.



A lot of changes have occurred since the inception of our country, I'm sorry to say. The more we shove Jesus out, the more our country is headed down a very slippery slope. I reiterate, this election is crucial--please prayerfully vote.



God bless

Teresa - posted on 09/03/2012

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Beng out of work with no pay or heath insurace, I feel very intimidated by repuclican party. They care nothing bout me jut like the europeans so lauded for "taming" this country cared nothing for the natives living here before them. Rich, white, men think the world owes them but refuse to take responsibility whe their economic system fails. The ecnomy was destroyed buy BUsh and it wil take ore han 4 years to fix it.

Teresa - posted on 09/03/2012

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Beng out of work with no pay or heath insurace, I feel very intimidated by repuclican party. They care nothing bout me jut like the europeans so lauded for "taming" this country cared nothing for the natives living here before them. Rich, white, men think the world owes them but refuse to take responsibility whe their economic system fails. The ecnomy was destroyed buy BUsh and it wil take ore han 4 years to fix it.

Linda - posted on 09/01/2012

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Sarah, I understand that you are from the UK and thus have very different traditions, laws, and practices. In the US, our constitution limits the federal government. The founding fathers wanted it that way....and many of their descendents do as well. If the Constitution does not expressly permit the federal government to do something, then it is not allowed. If you want to change the constitution, you may attempt to do so, but it is a long process and requires 2/3 of the states to agree to the changes.



If you give something to someone for free, then necessarily you took something from someone else by force. So if healthcare is free, then either you are forcing doctors to work for free or you are taking money from someone who earned it to pay for it. That is slave labor. That is not freedom.



In the US, if I need a CAT scan, I can probably get one tomorrow. If I need surgery, it will probably be scheduled in a few weeks if it's not an emergency. In an emergency, I would be operated on today. We have the best health care system in the world because it has not been rationed by the federal government.



As far as Christianity and health care goes, Jesus told us to help others OURSELVES. He did not tell us to get the federal government to help people. Individually, I am supposed to help others in need. I have noticed that in those cultures (like Cambodia) where the CHURCH supplies the need, people are flocking to the gospel. In western cultures, where people look to the government to help them, they are turning into atheists.

Linda - posted on 08/31/2012

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Angela, we take our religious liberty very seriously here. If I believe abortion is a sin, then it doesn't really matter what the federal government says---I would go to jail rather than offer an insurance policy that covers abortion for my employees. (Of course, this is a hypothetical situation since I, in fact, do not have any business or employees!) Furthermore, there are millions in this country who feel the same way. If Obamacare doesn't get repealed next year, the repercussions will be long and deep.



However, I think it is wrong to say a Christian can no longer start a business because it would violate his religious belief. Most of our ancestors moved here in the first place to have religious freedom!



As far as the "war on women" goes, the real war on women are those who advocate killing all those unborn girls....who will never grow up to be women.

Carla - posted on 08/27/2012

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Angela, we DO have every right needed, and even some we don't. But some women's issues are being pushed on some who do NOT agree with them ie: the Catholic Church and birth control. Catholics do not believe in contraception. I do not feel that if this is their church stance, that the government can come in and tell them they have to offer these to their employees. People know the Catholic stance before they hire in. It is their choice whether they take the job or not, but if they DO, it is reasonable to me to assume one would abide by their mandates.



I pray we educate ourselves and vote with God's will in mind.



God bless

Carla - posted on 08/27/2012

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I feel womens' rights are the least of our concern for this election. Our nation is being stripped of it's core values, so, to me, it is a matter of protecting our original liberties. I also am very concerned of the way God and country have been pushed out of minds and thoughts.



Whatever side of the coin you are on, as Christians we need to pray hard over our decision this November. Our lives may truly depend on it.



God bless, all

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