180 Movie

Jenn - posted on 09/29/2011 ( 57 moms have responded )

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www.180movie.com

Has anyone seen this yet? Watch it and let me know what you think. Did it change your mind? Did you already agree with them? If you didn't change your mind, why not? Do you think they make a valid point, or is it all hogwash? I'll share my thoughts later.

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Don't bother, Marina and Sharon -- I watched it for you. It’s the same pro-life propaganda you’ve heard over and over and over again. Full of distortions and half-truths. It ignores the fact that not everyone believes in the 10 Commandments (“why do you believe in you shall not kill?) and repeatedly refers to the fetus as a “baby”. It also ignores the fact that Hitler was a Catholic who was supported by the Pope early in his reign. It tries to compare women who terminate their pregnancies to Adolf Hitler because they are committing a state-sanctioned “holocaust”.
End of the day, and the point that pro-life people CAN’T seem to absorb into their brains: I don’t feel an embryo or fetus is a “baby” or a “person.” Period, end of discussion. And even if I did, I don’t believe the embryo has a right that outweighs the right of the person carrying it. Women have the right to control their bodies. Women have the right to choice not to become a mother. I believe an adult woman is the best judge of whether or not she is capable of or wishes to carry, birth and raise a child. So you can consider the movie an EPIC FAIL. It did nothing to change my mind, except to once again remind me how desperate the extreme pro-life moment is.

Mary - posted on 09/30/2011

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Well, if all you're looking for is feedback on the movie itself, here goes: (I didn't watch the entire thing, just about 15 minutes total of skimming it)



*The thing I found most disturbing were the number of people who didn't know who Hitler was.



*I absolutely loved the part where he asked a girl if she had ever looked at a man with lust in her heart, and she replied "No, I'm a lesbian." =)



*I really wanted to ask that blue-mohawked guy named Steve if he understood just how much he was inviting the entire world to take advantage of his "----cut here----" tattoo every single time he opened his stupid, ignorant mouth.



As for it's ability to impact my own thoughts on abortion...nope, didn't affect me in the least.

Kellie - posted on 09/29/2011

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Personally i'd like to see where all these babies you want adopted will go, I'm sure there are hundreds/thousands/millions? Of babies waiting to be adopted already, oh wait everyone wants the fluffy little bunny, what about the older kiddies that are waiting to be adopted? Well I guess they just keep waiting...

I have had an Abortion, i am comfortable and at peace with my decision, even if I could go back and change it I wouldn't, it was the absolute right decision for me and the baby. No movie will change my view or guilt me into believing Abortion is anything other then the womans right to choose.

Jenni - posted on 09/30/2011

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Sorry, I could only skim through parts of it. After they started down playing the horrors/suffering of the victims of the holocaust by comparing abortion to mass genocide and woman to Hitler.



What a load of pro-life propaganda, although I knew that's what I was getting myself into before I even watched it. By the infomercial-style layout of the website. "What changed these people's minds in a few seconds?" Sounds like an infomercial pitch.



The interviews were similar... I thought I was watching a commercial for Sham-wow! I bunch of 'average' pedestrians who fall for the classic fear-mongering tactic of comparing everything we don't agree with to the Holocaust. Sick.



He talks about how these people don't even know who Hitler is (which proves the ignorance and idiocy of his interviewees.) Where did he find people who *don't know* who Hitler is??? Did they drop out of school before grade 6? Or were they raised amoung the Sewer people?



Comparing a fetus to a baby? With the same rights as a born human being? I'm sorry but not everyone believes the fetus is a baby upon conception. If you do, fine... don't get an abortion. If you don't you shouldn't have other's beliefs forced on you and should have the right to choose what you do with your own body. FULL STOP!



I probably only skimmed through 5 mins of this video, that's all it took me to realize this is 30 mins of my time I wouldn't be able to get back. Sorry, the moment people start comparing contemporary issues to the holocaust to further their very bias agenda... It's just a reflex that my mind shuts off to anything they say after that fact.

Johnny - posted on 09/29/2011

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I don't like abortion, nothing is going to change my mind about that. I also do not like the idea of trying to exercise control over what other adults do with their bodies. Nothing is going to change my mind about that.



Would I like to see society take actions that will limit the number of abortions? Absolutely. But outlawing the practice and vilifying and judging the women who need them does nothing but divide, hurt and frustrate. It doesn't save babies.



There are always going to be abortions, there is really no way around it. Making it illegal has never changed that, nothing will.



Posting things like this are just designed to make us think that somehow joining the hate parade and making ridiculous laws which govern areas of personal choice will have some positive impact on society. Why don't you ask someone who lost their child to an illegal abortion back in the 50's if they see this desire to legislate as being in any way legitimately "pro-life"?



I find it so telling that all you anti-abortionists are so keen to bring these babies into the world with no actual plan whatsoever on how to support them and give them love and affection and food and clothes and family and education...... I have a hard seeing all you pro-lifers managing to adopt all the unwanted children, the drug-addicted babies, and the abandoned newborns.



Movies like this don't make me think that abortion should be stopped at all. They make me realize that people harping on this issue really don't care about REAL people at all, just spreading a moralistic, judgmental, ill-thought out message of hype.

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Cyndel - posted on 10/01/2011

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hmmm...a good approach, but it will take the Holy Spirit to convince most people.

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I watched the video and i don't like it. They use emotional extortion to manipulate people into agreeing with them.

Jaime - posted on 09/30/2011

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As much as the majority doesn't want to watch the video, it really is worth watching. I say this because if we are going to debate the movie itself, it makes sense to have a clear understanding of the content and context of the video.

Brittany - posted on 09/30/2011

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LOL! They do not know who Hilter is? Let me guess they also believe that the Holocaust never happened! This is very funny. Not the Holocaust but, that people do not know history.

Brittany - posted on 09/30/2011

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BEING HONEST I did not watch this film but, I have read the comments.



I refuse to watch something that compares one act of hatred and despair to a different act, one being done for unknown reasons.



I am Pro-Life and I REFUSE to shove my religious, political or Pro-Life beliefs down someones throat. These are MY beliefs, get your own!



I also NEVER approve of ANYONE using The Lord Jesus Christ as a reason to scare people. "Your going to Hell if you have an abortion!" NO BUTTFACE THEY ARE NOT! Actually, by telling someone they are going to hell you have committed murder in the eyes of God, you portrayed yourself as God by condemning them to Hell. If you tell someone you "hate" them you are murdering them.



I would prefer to go to an abortion clinic and let these young ladies or woman know that there are other options but, if someone already has their mind made up there is nothing I can do about it.



I can only continue to help educate young ladies and gentlemen on how to be safe.



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I just read my post and it came off a little harsh in the start about an act of hatred and despair. I do not think abortion is an act of hatred or despair. I know many woman what their reasons for having an abortion, one that is no ones business but, theirs. I do believe the Holocaust was an act of sheer hatred.



I would never in a million years disrespect or degrade a woman for having an abortion. I have been in a situation where abortion was talked about and personally I could not go through with and I do not believe I ever could. It takes a courageous woman to make the right choice for her and the child involved.

Jaime - posted on 09/30/2011

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Something else I found eye-opening (lol) about the video is that the interviewer talked to one couple and asked the girl if she was pro-choice, to which she said "yes". He then asked if she'd had an abortion, to which she also replied "yes". Odd how she was axed from the video at that point on...

Jodi - posted on 09/29/2011

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I am going to say that I decided to start watching it. But it lost me when it started to compare abortion to the holocaust. I decided not to waste any more time watching it because it is total bullshit propoganda.

Ez - posted on 09/29/2011

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I also will not watch it. I am staunch in my beliefs. No movie is going to miraculously make me think the government, or the Bible, suddenly has rights over my uterus.

Pro-life propaganda makes me want to vomit.

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Well I value Rebecca's opinion and thanks for letting me know not to waste my time. I have zero interest in any type of pro-life, anti-abortion religious propaganda. Nothing will make me change my stance on a woman's right to chose.

Stifler's - posted on 09/29/2011

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I agree with Johnny, something should be done about the number of abortions but outlawing it won't do anything.

Firebird - posted on 09/29/2011

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I think the movie's demented. Nothing but a brain transplant will ever change my mind. I'm going to repeat this again... "what a load of propaganda , lies , emotional manipulation, ignorance and an epic waste of time." That about sums it up.

Medic - posted on 09/29/2011

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Can I have my time back?? PLEASE???? as for the rest of it I do believe Marina and Rebecca have said it best...I will just back them up on this one.

Jenn - posted on 09/29/2011

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And no, I don't want people to die - why is that the only other option to you? Don't you think that some people might say - hey, it's illegal to have an abortion, so I'll give the baby up for adoption. And yes, I have 2 daughters.

Jenn - posted on 09/29/2011

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OK - she said to trust her that NOBODY would change their mind. Well, unless she's a damn mind-reader - she can't possibly know that it won't change anyone's mind. So I do not trust her on that issue. Doesn't mean I don't value an opinion. And the point wasn't to change minds - it was to discuss the video. Yes, I want to know if it had an impact and changed anyone's mind, or if it meant nothing to them and they didn't change their stance.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/29/2011

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Jenn "Rebecca - sorry, but no, I won't trust you"

This statement says you don't value Rebecca's opinion after she watched it. For real....I am out til later. Bunny shooters waits.

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Oh for the love of little green apples.

Rebecca hit the nail on the head what a load of propaganda , lies , emotional manipulation, ignorance and an epic waste of time.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/29/2011

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Soooooo.......they should die because they made this choice????? Because that is what can and will happen if it is made illegal. Do you have a daughter?

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/29/2011

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This is from the abortion thread "I'm not some looney tune who goes around judging people and trying to push some pro-life agenda "

You admitted that you judge them

"Do I judge people in my head? Of course - we ALL do, for various reasons. We ALL have our own set of rules or morals that we follow - and when someone goes against those rules, we think poorly of them, because they aren't the same as us. It's just human nature. "

I don't simply judge others because we are different.

Jenn - posted on 09/29/2011

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I wasn't trying to side step anything, sorry if I missed the question. If you're talking about the question "Wouldn't it be in the best interest of the women so desperate to have this done...shouldn't they deserve to have a safe place with sterile instruments?" - why should it be OK? It's not OK with me to take any human life, regardless of age. People are going to do bad things all the time, it doesn't mean you should just make it all legal.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/29/2011

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I never said you were. i was making a point. And you still avoided my question, rather nicely side stepping it. Twice.

Jenn - posted on 09/29/2011

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Where the fuck did I say I didn't value her opinion? And yes, the video is about abortion, but I wanted to discuss the actual video and it's impact - not the general topic of abortion. And just because I would have felt disappointed in my friend, doesn't mean I was pro-life - because for me it wasn't an option, I just had a hard time understanding how someone could do it. But that doesn't change the fact that I truly did feel like it should be legal for the very same reasons you did. And I would NEVER make someone feel guilty for their choice. Do I judge people in my head? Of course - we ALL do, for various reasons. We ALL have our own set of rules or morals that we follow - and when someone goes against those rules, we think poorly of them, because they aren't the same as us. It's just human nature.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/29/2011

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Oh...and one final point before I go.....you may not want these people to have abortions, but since it is going to happen wether you personally approve, wouldn't you rather women had a safe place to have it done? Judgements on your part aside. Wouldn't it be in the best interest of the women so desperate to have this done...shouldn't they deserve to have a safe place with sterile instruments?

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/29/2011

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Oh, and Rebecca watched it...but since she didn't agree with you and change her stance...you don't value her opinion on it? WOW!

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/29/2011

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I have had MANY abortion debates in here, and in real life. With people of the Catholic faith...old school Catholic that love to chastise those that believe abortion is a pro choice situation. You know what I have come to realize?? I am not going to change their minds, they are not going to change my mind....a silly little movie isn't going to either....and neither are you.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/29/2011

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Oh, and no this video did not just miraculously change your views
"And I would be very disappointed if someone I knew had an abortion instead of going the adoption route - I felt that way even before watching this."

Sure sounds like you were pro life the whole time.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/29/2011

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YOU DID open up another abortion debate. This video is about abortion is it not????

And who are you to decide what is right or wrong for a rape victim???????? How do you know what each individual goes through?????? you don't. You can contiue to sit on your perch passing judgement freely on others...because after all you are better than others because NOW you are pro life...

Jenn - posted on 09/29/2011

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Yes, for me abortion was never an option, but I always felt it should be a legal option for others. So now I do not feel that way - how is that not a change?

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Jenn, you already mentioned that you were pro-life for yourself. I'm not seeing going to pro-life for yourself to pro-life for everyone being much of a change. If this movie changed your views, then your views weren't very deeply held to begin with.

Jenn - posted on 09/29/2011

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Rebecca - sorry, but no, I won't trust you - it changed my mind, didn't it? As well as a few other people I know, including the lady who shared it with me on FB. People are entitled to change their minds - one way or the other - when presented with new information or when information is presented in a different format.

Jenn - posted on 09/29/2011

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Because this wasn't an abortion debate - this was a debate about the movie - you know, the one you won't watch. ;) And no, I would not want someone I know who was raped to have a back-alley abortion - that's not the only option - you could keep the baby or put the baby up for adoption. Why would a baby pay for the wrong doing of the father? Don't tell me because of the emotional damage - that damage is already done and terminating the pregnancy won't make that hurt go away. Whether they keep the baby or not, the woman needs some help - counselling - to deal with what happened to them.

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I'm pretty sure Marina has debated this topic to death on other posts. As have I. Trust me -- that movie will not change anyone's mind. It's a carefully scripted gimic.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/29/2011

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I understand and know about abortion debates. What else do I really need to know.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/29/2011

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Sooooo...you are telling me....that if someone close to you got raped/molested (the worst case scenario...I do not wish this on anyone just using it as an example) and they did not want to carry the baby to term because of the emotional turmoil attached to it including the daily remnder of being raped....you would prefer abortion was illegal.....have them get a back alley abortion...and die???? Nope...not judgmental at all.

Jenn - posted on 09/29/2011

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Who did I judge? I see no judgement. And no, I will not be anywhere with nasty pictures of dead babies - sorry. I just wanted to share this video with others to see what they think of it. You still haven't watched it so I'm not sure why you're even debating something that you have no clue what it is - you're going to only go off of what someone else is telling you. How can you debate something that you know nothing about?

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/29/2011

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It is non of your business to judge others on this very personal decision. VERY judgmental of you. Shame on you.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/29/2011

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And you telling me it is murder...what are you trying to prove???? That your next step will be with pictures of fetuses outside of abortion clinics???? You think you are the first person to challenge my views on abortion??? BAHAHAHAHAHA....if I support murder, so do you trying to outlaw it....by all the women who are going to have back alley abortions and die.

Jenn - posted on 09/29/2011

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Not baiting anything - if you watch it and don't change your mind, that's perfectly fine. And I would be very disappointed if someone I knew had an abortion instead of going the adoption route - I felt that way even before watching this.

And what are the half-truths and distortions?

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/29/2011

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BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...whatever. Go read the entire abortion thread....you will see my views perfectly fine.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/29/2011

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You can try to bait me all you want with calling me closed minded, telling me I am afraid it may change my mind...bla bla bla....I will not be manipulated to prove to YOU than I am not closed minded. Thanks....but that drives me away from watching it even more.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/29/2011

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Jenn, I copied this from the abortion thread for you so you don't have to keep going back and forth:

Why are you pushing so hard? I have no interest in it, and I have no interest on changing my mind. I would prefer that women had a safe place to legally have an abortion, than die from their efforts. Period. End of story.

What if it was illegal, and your sister, or daughter, or best friend got pregnant and did not want the baby. They go to get an abortion. Would you rather that these women had a safe place to go rather than risk their lives? You can be pro life for yourself all you want, but why should your choices dictate everyone elses, and risk their safety?

Not interested. I am not changing my mind, so it would be pointless for me to watch something that is going to attempt to alter my views. It would be a waste of my time.

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@Jenn: I don't think that movie is going to change the minds of anyone who has well-thought out views on abortion. Sorry to disappoint. Marina -- don't bother wasting your time on it.

Jenn - posted on 09/29/2011

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Sorry - but to not even watch it IS being closed minded. What's the harm? If it doesn't change your mind - that's totally up to you and totally your choice. What's the worst that will happen if you watch it? You will change your mind? You won't change your mind? You'll be enlightened? You'll have wasted a half an hour of your life? What?

~♥Little Miss - posted on 09/29/2011

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Once again, not closed minded not interested. I am firm in my beliefs, and I have no interest in a movie or clip trying to change my mind, or making abortion more evil. It is already an extremely difficult ordeal in itself. I have no interest in watching something that is potentially going to make it even more harmful for women to make such a personal decision.

Jenn - posted on 09/29/2011

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Why don't you just watch it and see. How can you judge something without watching it?

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