4 year old dies at 15 pounds...

Tah - posted on 09/06/2010 ( 35 moms have responded )

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http://www.aolnews.com/crime/article/mal...


Okay, let me just start off by saying that the way people are doing children now a days is making me sick to my stomach. My husband himself has stated that we are failing our children. Now, what should be done with mother?....i personally think that Big Martha should tie her to the bed with twine and eat al of her ramen noodles in prison until she is 22 lbs so she can see how her child felt. I also feel like the company that was supposed to meet with her 2-3 times a week should be held accountable because maybe they would have noticed the marks from twine or showed up and surprised the mother catching the child being tied to a bed or saw that the little girl was flipping starving. Why can't we require a pemit to have children again?

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JuLeah - posted on 09/07/2010

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It is not parents now days, it is human nature and there have always been folks that do these things.



What can WE do .... knock on our neighbors doors and say 'hi' now and again. If we see a single parent, a family that looks like they are struggling, lend a hand. You are taking your kid to the park take theirs along. You are running to the market, offer to pick up a few things.

Support the schools - volunteer

Join and suppport programs like Big Brother Big Sister

Volunteer your time with causes that matter to you .... the SMART program, Head Start, CASA, local DV programs

Vote to fund programs that are set up to offer assistence to kids like this



The list for what we can do goes on and on .... many will read this, be angry, and then forget about it as they go back to their lives. Many of those same folks have a little girl just like this living next door to them.

Isobel - posted on 09/06/2010

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I just meant that we are trying to do the best for our kids...and feeding them formula is really NOT that important when compared to not feeding them at all.

Sharon - posted on 09/07/2010

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I think a lot of this has gone on for a long time. But the sheer size of the population shows the high percentage of assholes among us.

I agree that people need to pay attention to what is happening around them.

But we also need to hold these people accountable legally and not some silly ass slap on the wrist.

That woman and others like her are not mothers. They did what they needed to do because it was their legal responsibilitiy and their ticket to free money/food etc. She should be sterilised and jailed. The father of her daughter should be found and made to pay a HUGE fine and sterilised as well.

Then the assholes who sloughed their PAID JOBS need to work for half a year without pay and contribute 1000 hours of volunteer time with some group that benefits children. THEN they need to be investigated for child welfare. If they can overlook that sort of shit on their job, what are they doing in their own homes.

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15lbs at 4years something is differently wrong..yes of course a child whos underweight isn't always being abused but a good mother would be aware of the child's weight and seek medical help.

my child doesnt eat a lot,shes terrible for eating, and shes 20 months and 24lbs thats big for lack of food.Shes healthy looking.I was told shes underweight a bit after i made my concerns heard before she was weighed i was told from 8mths shes small and told to come back at 12mths to make sure shes okay,

but the said looking at her shes not starving or wasting away.Shes petite.Shes been the same since birth.



If any good mother has a 15lb 4year old and doesnt seek medical help and advice its abuse in its self..whether or not there being starved.

Rosie - posted on 09/08/2010

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i saw that a while back jo, and it just broke my heart looking at those boys. all the while their bio kids were perfectly fine weight and everything. they said the other kids didn't want to eat!! yeah, my ass!!!

and i know that i'm just sensitive guys. i just know that somewhere down the line someone somewhere has seen my boys and automatically thought they were being abused. it frightens me that someone could just see them ,call CPS and then the shitstorm of all shitstorms would occur in our lives because someone doesn't have all the facts.
i REALLY think that's what happened when lucas had the dresser fall on him last month. the doctor sees a 23 lb 3 year old and automatically judged. i think my ped. got called and things got straightened up and that's why CPS still hasn't called me. if it was over his head bump (the whole reason why i took him to the ER) i don't think they would've given a rats ass.

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To add..

Vanessa and Raymond Jackson were charged with 28 counts of aggravated assault and child endangerment.

Raymond died of a stroke during the investigation.

Vanessa pleaded guilty to one charge of child endangerment in exchange for a reduced sentence. She served four years of a seven-year prison term and was released in February 2010.

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On Oprah recently she had 3 (of 4) brothers on that were in a foster home that were being starved to death.

They were found after the oldest boy snuck out of the house and was digging through garbage bins to find food. A neighbor saw him and asked him a bunch of questions, then called 911. He was 19 and looked like a 10 year old.

The mother would use food against them. They said that when the social workers or people from the foster home would come to visit, the mother would send them to the attic and just tell the workers that they were out playing with friends. In photo's they were dressed in multiple layers of clothing to 'fatten' them up.

The one boy even told his teacher about what was happening and the teacher ignored him.



http://www.oprah.com/oprahshow/Brave-Bro...

"That child was actually 19-year-old Bruce Jackson. Bruce and his three younger brothers were nearly being starved to death by their adoptive parents, Raymond and Vanessa Jackson. At 19, Bruce weighed only 45 pounds. Fourteen-year-old TreShawn weighed 40 pounds—a typical 14-year-old weighs 115 pounds. Ten-year-old Terrell weighed 28 pounds, when he should have weighed 70 pounds. Nine-year-old Michael weighed 23 pounds instead of the 60 pounds an average child his age should weigh. At the average weight of an 18-month-old toddler, Michael wore baby clothes."

Sharon - posted on 09/08/2010

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Kati - size, lack of weight is a good indicator of neglect though. However in your case you've got all this proof of trying to help your child and this other idiot has bruises where she tied her child up, pills in her throat and a bloody video case, no proof whatsoever that she attempted to ever help her child and every proof she abused her.

Tah - posted on 09/08/2010

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might add that the bloddy video tape case they found that she beat the girl with and the sleeping pills she stuffed down her throat do not help her case.....aaarrrrrggghhh...

Tah - posted on 09/08/2010

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noone is saying you have to be abusive for the child to be tiny, but there was nothing saying that the child had any conditions that would cause this...and why were there marks on her that matched the twine they found tied to the bed....if the shoe fits...as i stated my son is small....but it's documented..he has broken both of his arms...last year he feel down the steps and had a buckle fracture of the right wrist, the kind you get from stopping yourself from falling, 3 weeks ago at my nephews going away family bar b que he was on the slide with his cousins and fell off and has a slight fracture, i even brought the cousins that were with him when he fell to the ER and had everything well documented so noone can cry abuse, but this is different, you may have small children but i am sure they arent tied to the bed....

Rosie - posted on 09/08/2010

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yeah theresa you are :) i just get so irritated a tt he immediate thought that someone MUST be abusing their kid if it's tiny. my oldest and youngest look like they should be on the commercials for starving kids in africa. i also think that lucas' weight might of had something to do with why the doctor at the ER last month had said he was going to call CPS (who i still havnt heard from). it just really makes me feel like people think i'm an abuser at first glance. now i know my doctor would come to the rescue, we've been dealing with this issue with all 3 of my boys (vinnie finally is normal weight, and height 33%for weight, 8% for height, whoot whoot) but the other 2 just aren't growing. grants spent at least a month hospitalised over the years, not to mention the hundreds of trips to specialists trying to figure out and monitor what is wrong with them. i'm just too sensitive :)

Kate CP - posted on 09/07/2010

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God damn it. If people don't want to have kids then just don't fuckin' have kids! I would rather a woman abort a fetus than give birth to a child and abuse it horribly until it finally dies.

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I definitely see what you're saying Kati. 23 pounds at 3 years is definitely tiny, but unless there are SERIOUS medical issues I just can't even fathom 15 pounds at 4 years w/out definite neglect or abuse. Like I mentioned, my 3.5 year old nephew is about 27 pounds and he's quite thin. His 20 month old brother is 20 or 21 pounds. I had serious growth issues as a baby and even I was 13 pounds at 13 months (my son was the same weight at 2-3 months). This is a child 3 years older than that and only 2 pounds heavier.

I don't know. If the kid was over 20 pounds I probably wouldn't think as much of the weight/size part of the issue.

Am I making any sense?

Stifler's - posted on 09/07/2010

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That is awful, like the others said... my son was about 15 pounds at 8 weeks!!

Jacquie - posted on 09/07/2010

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Geez- who could stand by and watch their child starve. It goes against nature. I panic if the baby doesn't eat a full jar or baby food.

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Sick people out there..the child is in a better place now.15pounds at 4 is disgusting..how could anyone starve and abuse a child.When my child was 8 months she was just a pound over at 16lbs..its sick god love that poor young child.I hope those monsters get whats coming to them.The size of the child should of been enough for the company to see something was not right..my god i would of called the cops there and then.15lbs at 4years believe me the child would of shocked anybody looking. ..i cant imagine what she must of looked like:-(.Jesus sometimes i do wish those types would of aborted..would of saved that child 4 years of abuse..i am against abortion 100% but it makes me so mad..what people do to there own flesh and blood.



A quick abortion or 4years of abuse?..wish she would of had the abortion.



Evil monster to do that, but the world is full of parents who do this crap everyday..i just wish people would do there job..or family and neighbours would not turn there back if the see or suspect something is wrong.

Rosie - posted on 09/07/2010

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not that i'm saying ANYTHING this woman alledgedly did is alright, tying a kid to a bed is beyond horrifyng.but these things havn't been proven -yet. and as for a small child, what would you all say if i told you my 3 year old weighs 23 lbs, and my 10 1/2 year old weighs 52 lbs. would i be a considered abusive too? even though there are medical, and genetic reasons?
if this is true that she starved and tied her little girl up, it's horrendous, but they didn't say for sure yet. i don't know what i'm trying to say...gah!

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That poor kid. My 3.5 (almost) year old nephew weighs just about the same as my 2.5 year old son (27ish pounds) and he's a toothpick. Only 15 pounds! :(

Lyndsay - posted on 09/07/2010

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My son doubled his birth weight within the first month and was 15lbs by TWO MONTHS OLD! At 3 he weighs 42lbs. I can't imagine what this poor child looked like... and what about her other kids? UGH.

Shit like this makes me want to get myself arrested so I can go into the jails and deal with these people myself.

Tah - posted on 09/07/2010

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My 3.5 year old is 30 lbs and i was worried about that..of course he such a picky eater and the doctor said he is fine, he will eat when he is ready but everything is good and on schedule....so i can just see in my head how small she was...@Juleah...do many of these things, park with other children tagging along with me and mines, my neighbors and i always check on each others children and others, we volunteer, do girl scouts..i have a single parent active neighbor with 3 children and we always check on them when she is at work, etc...she doesnt even know we watch them and make sure they are not hungry, not in the street. My mother's house was and still is a safe haven in philadelphia for children in the neighborhood, she would always invite them over to eat, buy extra clothes when shopping for us, babysit for parents and the children didnt even want to leave when it was pick up time, she has 7 children but at least 40 call her mom, 14 grandchildren and at least 50 call her grandmom, that is why i can't stand to read about things like this...it's terrible and sick..

Jenni - posted on 09/07/2010

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I can't understand how NO ONE witnessed this abuse and came forward. SOMEONE had to have seen something! And to me not coming forward when a child is being abused is nearly as revolting as the abusers.

Jenni - posted on 09/07/2010

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I don't understand how people can abuse their children so horribly. But i also don't understand why people think child abuse has gotten worse now a days. At least now there are laws to protect children and people do go to jail for the horrible things that are done as well as their children taken out of that environment. This was not the way of historical child abuse. The fable Hansel and Gretal for example was about leading your children into the woods b/c you couldn't feed them to let them die of exposure. In roman times this was also practiced. Child labour was practiced in history (still in some 2nd and 3rd world countries) where children were used to do dangerous jobs at the ages of 5 and 6 and often succumbed to serious injuries and death. Historically your child was your property and no one was there to stop you from subjecting them to any kind of abuse. Children were hung from the gallows for stealing, beaten to death and abused in many other manors with no repercurssion. We should realize we live in a time of progression not regression.

Kate CP - posted on 09/07/2010

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FIFTEEN POUNDS?! My 4 year old is FORTY pounds! That poor baby must have just been skin and bones. How can you watch a child waste away like that? Especially one's OWN child. Makes my stomach turn. :(

Lucy - posted on 09/07/2010

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Oh my god. My 2 year old son is naturally tiny and very slender, and he weighs 20lb, so I can't imagine how emaciated a 15lb four year old would be. Frankly, it seems amazing that she survived so long at that weight. That poor little girl.

Charlie - posted on 09/07/2010

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oh ok :D

Well Harry is around 15 lbs and he is 8 weeks my god that poor girl must have been skin and bone .

Ez - posted on 09/06/2010

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There was a similar case just up the coast from me a couple of years ago. The little girl had some delays, and her parents just left her in her room to die. She was 7 years old and weighed 9kg (just under 20lbs).

What I don't understand is if these people don't want these kids or they can't handle their special needs, why not surrender them to people who will take care of them?

Joanna - posted on 09/06/2010

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My daughter was 15 pounds by the time she was a couple months old (now at 3 she's 40 pounds). I can't even fathom what this little girl would've looked like, or what her quality of life would have even been. How much suffering do you think she went through? It's disgusting, and I hope this "mother" gets the most extreme punishment possible.

Michelle - posted on 09/06/2010

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I can only imagine what that little girl looked like at 15 lbs. My four year old weights 41 lbs. I guess what really annoys me is in one of the stories I read about this topic, the mother was in court smiling at her mother and brother, as if to say I didn't do anything wrong. Sick, twisted, fucked up individual and this wasn't her only child.

Kinda puts any debate into perspective....

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