Abortion

Sarah - posted on 06/11/2010 ( 48 moms have responded )

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Just wondered what everyone's views were on abortion ?

In certain circumstances, i agree with it (like a young teenager, bout 13/14, who hasnt been properly educated about everything to do with sex education etc)

I don't agree with it when women have one night stands, unprotected and have an abortion. I think that's just plain wrong.

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Krista - posted on 06/14/2010

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if the chld wasn't suppose to live then your body would abort naturally (miscarriage) .

I don't agree with that, Zoe. There are babies born with anencephaly. There are babies born with no face. There are babies whose lungs never develop and they are unable to draw that first breath. If a baby dies as soon as it is born, then obviously it wasn't "supposed" to live, was it?

If the mother still wants to continue with the pregnancy, then I certainly won't judge her. We all do what we have to do, right? But I would also never judge (or take away the rights of) a woman faced with the awful truth that her baby will most certainly die within minutes of birth. If she doesn't want to continue the pregnancy; if she doesn't want to have to endure hearing "congratulations, you must be so excited!" from unwitting well-wishers; if she doesn't want to feel the baby moving and kicking inside of her and get even more attached than she already is; and if she doesn't want the agony of having her malformed baby suffering and dying in her arms...how in the hell can ANYBODY judge that?

Sharon - posted on 06/11/2010

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A woman can have an abortion for any reason she deems necessary>

While I personally abhore the idea of women who don't protect themselves and use abortion as birthcontrol. Think about it? DO you really want someone that stupid procreating? They care that little for themselves - how can they properly care for a baby?

that said - If I found out tomorrow I was pregnant, I'd have an abortion. I'm older, I have three kids with fully funded college funds, our house is nearly paid off, my husband is nearly retirement age, & i've gone back to work. We're doing ok financially but an infant right now would be really hard financially and emotionally. I'm enjoying my freedom, I've missed it.

Iris - posted on 06/11/2010

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I applaud your family for their strength Christina, however I can not imagine taking that choice away from other rape victims. They didn't choose to be raped so they shouldn't be forced to carry out the pregnancy.

Other than that I feel the same way as Erin H.

Mary - posted on 06/12/2010

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I'm pro-choice politically - 100%, although on a personal level, it would have to be some pretty severe circumstances for me to even consider it. Other than a selective reduction, I cannot truly imagine a scenario where I would not just let the pregnancy run it's course, even if there were anomalies that were incompatible with life.



My real point in posting is this:



For those of you in favor of a cut-off gestational age (such as 12, 16, 20 or 24 weeks) -

How exactly do you think actual gestational age should be determined? Is it by dates (last menstrual period)? These can be unreliable, and are fairly subjective. Or by ultrasound? It is not uncommon that the 2 do not correlate, especially in the cases of unplanned pregnancies (woman make a best guess at when that LMP..."sometime before my birthday...early May"). Ultrasounds, while fairly reliable in the early stages, are not absolute, either. I've seen many a woman who was TRYING to get pregnant, is precise about the minute her LMP started, and the ultrasound is measuring her at a weeks difference....and if gesational age is used as a cutoff point, that week could be HUGE. Remember the term is ESTIMATED date of confinement.



Someone wants to abort, the cutoff in her area is 16 weeks. By dates she is 15 4/7. By ultrasound - 16 2/7...2 days over the law. How does it play out? Does it just depend on the sympathy/morality/integrity of the practicioner? Does her reason for needing/wanting to abort matter?



I do not know the answer, but I see so many people on here post about being "okay" [without restriction] with abortion under a certain gestational age. I just wanted to point out that even THAT can be a bit dicey to enforce or legislate.

Sharon - posted on 06/12/2010

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I've seen two families that adopted only special needs kids. Your babies would be better off in a ware house. The kids were adopted and money was collected from welfare & social security and left in their wheel chairs and beds. They had a safe home, top of the line machines, and no love.

yeah, thats an awesome way to live. One kid was born to a mom with toxo, infections ate his eyes. His brain was riddled with it. It was nasty.

To me? The low person is the one who thinks only of themselves when facing a child with those sorts of disabilities and then says "someone else will want it." sure pedophiles and money hungry people.

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Jaime - posted on 06/29/2010

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We've already established that NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON is EVER prepared for parenthood...even when you're fully prepared you're not prepared. So how in the hell do you expect an even less-prepared unprepared person to be able to care for a baby if even the prepared unprepared people aren't 100% certain they can do it? Oh and adoption...that's a lovely notion...have you noticed that it doesn't usually end in the fairy tale sense that everyone is chalking it up to be? Kids that are born as wards of the State usually remain wards of the state...and what a life it is for them too! I think people make dumb decisions sometimes when it comes to sex and sometimes those decisions result in pregnancy. If a person is really NOT willing to surrender their current lifestyle in favour of being a loving, caring and supportive host to their unborn child, and later raise said child or adopt them out to a loving family, then abort and be done with it!

Dominique - posted on 06/27/2010

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I dont feel theres any reason for abortion (unless raped). If a 12-whatever age knows how to have sex then they better be damn well prepared for the consequences. You learn from your mistakes not from mommy or daddy having money to fix your oopsies.

Nicole - posted on 06/24/2010

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im am not saying that it is a form of punishment,but unborn children should not have to be murdered because the stupid parents drunk to much the night before your couldnt be bothered using protection and if you read my post properly i did mention that the ones whom can not look after a child ie,the poor or mentally not stable,i think should adopt.i hate seeing children neglegted it sad and it happens alot thats why adoption is great.i have a best freind whom is 29 years old and buried three babies in the last 5 years there are plenty of loving people out there,to choose not to adopt may it be for religous reasons or what ever is selfish. i do realise sometimes there are things that go wrong in pregnancys and the child is aborted for medical reasons,ending a childs life rather than letting them suffer in pain or in some cases as vegetables is a kind act,killing them however merly because your not ready or it was a mistake and choosing you dont wont to adopt is selfish.

Krista - posted on 06/23/2010

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This is why I am so adamant that both regular contraception AND emergency contraception need to be readily available and affordable. They should be selling EC in frigging vending machines, if that is what it takes to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies.

And no, EC is NOT an abortion, so let's not even go there.

Jenny - posted on 06/23/2010

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Nicole, babies are not an appropriate form of punishment.

I believe if you are not willing or able to bring a child into adulthood mentally, practically and emotionally, and adoption is not an option for you, do not complete the pregnancy. I'm tired of seeing all the starving and abused kids in the system. It's irresponsible to add to that mess. Take care of your damn kids or don't have any.

I don't mean "don't spread your legs" either. That is not realistic. Aside from the more dire of circumstances, such as rape, birth control can fail or maybe you have black-out drunk sex one night. We have the right to make reproductive decisions about our bodies so if we fuck up we can fix it and I, for one, am SO thankful for that right. I wish all women all women around the world could control their bodies as we do.

Rosie - posted on 06/23/2010

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i've had a molar, and had to have a d&c. not to comfortable calling it an abortion, although i get technically speaking it's the same procedure, just my intention wasn't to get rid of my unborn child (even though no child actually formed), it was to help my body expell something it wasn't doing naturally.

Nicole - posted on 06/22/2010

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i beleive it does not matter what age you are if you wanna play hide the sausage then deal with it, if your too selfish to take care of it or cant for some other reason adopt it.its murder its not that childs fault its your own and i cant speak for woman who have been rapped but i'd like to think that if that was to happen to me then atleast i would adopt.thats just what i think.

Charlie - posted on 06/15/2010

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And the women who experience molar pregnancy still have all the same pregnancy symptoms mostly exaggerated symptoms , to them before finding out they are very much so carrying a child !!

Jaime - posted on 06/15/2010

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Wow...I just learned something new...Thanks Loureen. I had not heard about molar pregnancy before now.

Charlie - posted on 06/15/2010

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I am pro choice for the simple fact that it needs to be available for medical reasons .



And going off Krista's post there is also molar pregnancy where the only treatment is to abort , This occurs when the nucleus of an egg is either lost or inactivated. The sperm then duplicates itself because the egg was lacking genetic information. Usually there is no fetus, no placenta, no fluid and no amniotic membranes.



The uterus is rather filled with the mole that resembles a bunch of grapes. The fluid filled vesicles grow rapidly, which can make the uterus seem larger than it should be for gestational age. Because there is no placenta to receive the blood typically you will see bleeding into the uterine cavity or vaginal bleeding.



In these cases and many others that have been mentioned previously there is no other option when the body is unable to abort ( miscarry )

naturally .

Hannah - posted on 06/15/2010

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I'm pro-choice all the way. I have had to make that decision once and it was one of the toughest decisions ever made. I have two beautiful children now and am so thankful. At that time, I would have been an horrible mother and too selfish to care for anyone. I wasn't in a stable relationship, it was off and on and I was partying to cope with the problems. It would have been a mess.

Mary - posted on 06/15/2010

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Krista is absolutely right...the body does not automatically abort every pregnancy where a child has congenital anomalies that are incompatible with life. We just don't see that many of these babies come to term any more, because the advances in prenatal testing means that women know before the end of the 2nd trimester. Trisomy 18, anacephaly, and a vast array of other anomalies can and do go well into the third trimester if no intervention is done.

Sara - posted on 06/14/2010

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I think abortion should be safe and legal. I think that making abortion illegal would serve nothing but to maim and kill women, it would not stop abortion from happening, just make it unsafe. It is not my business if someone wants to have an abortion, because I don't think my moral compass is the standard to which all people should be judged, that's ridiculous. You cannot legislate morality and I think that trying to ends up with a mess like we have over the abortion debate.

Zoe - posted on 06/14/2010

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i dont personally believe in abortion , i could never have one for any reason whether it be because the child is ill etc . My son is ill and he has a brilliant quality of life. if the chld wasn't suppose to live then your body would abort naturally (miscarriage) .
I also think it is highly disgusting that young girls have numerous abortions because they didn't use protection. The parents and government need to do something so that girls and boys are better informed .

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I think abortion should be fine at any point before the child has a 75+% chance of surviving on its own outside the uterus. If the child could live w/out it's incubator then well enough should be left alone. A less the 75% chance is not enough for me to really consider...

A co-worker of sorts had a baby with a 50ish?% chance of survival and his poor baby :( She is going to be in and out of hospitals for the first 3 yrs of her life! That is not quality living to me! She will also live on a ventialtor...soo many things :( I couldn't go through that! I'd have a "let nature take its course" attitude with that one! She had medical issues that forced her to have an early delivery :( IDK...that's my thoughts...

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I'm pro-choice! While I might not agree with abortions personally, I believe a woman has the right to choose what happens to her body!

Lea - posted on 06/12/2010

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Yup, choosing an abortion is definitely the difference between a rock and a hard place and the question is, why are these girls in this situation to begin with. I am glad I never had to go through this but I have a close friend who had to, twice. Its not fun.

Jaime - posted on 06/12/2010

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This has been said ad nauseum, but pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion. I am obviously pro-choice and the thought of an abortion is still unsettling to me...as I'm sure it is to many people. If a woman stupidly engages in intercourse unprotected and falls pregnant, then decides to abort--so be it. If a woman discovers later in her pregnancy that her baby will be born with severe birth defects and his/her quality of life will be seriously diminished OR she and her partner just don't want the responsibility of raising a child with special needs---so be it. One choice is not anymore right or wrong than the next choice. If a woman is raped and she aborts, then so be it. If a woman considers adoption based on her financial means, but later does not trust that she will be able to forfeit the child to the foster care system and instead opts for an abortion---so be it. For whatever reason, no matter how self-serving, there has to be a choice. The mere fact that we have the ability to procreate, does not mean that we should follow through with a pregnancy based on the popular, moral opinion of society. Sure some people can hold the opinion that the fetus growing inside had the 'right to life' but the fetus in question wouldn't even exist if the woman didn't become pregnant. I've said it before that we don't issue birth certificates until a fetus is born and deemed viable outside the uterus. I agree that it is frustrating when some women use abortion as birth control, but as Sharon mentioned earlier would you seriously want that woman to care for a baby when she clearly cannot take care of herself? I'm certain that many people will say "well then choose adoption"...but what guarantee is there that this baby will be adopted and loved and cared for? Many children spend their entire childhoods in foster care/orphanages until they turn 18 and are deemed able to care for themselves...how can they be expected to care for themselves when they're so used to being shuffled around without any idea about what it means to love or be loved? I think that is a far greater cruelty than to abort...at least that way the fetus doesn't have the chance to be let down over and over and over again.

Education is the key to everything really. Educating our youth so that they can grow up to make sound decisions in their personal and professional lives. Educating them comprehensively about sex so they know all of the risks and all of the options. Education is not a cure-all...but it's definitely the only option that still allows each individual person to have a choice. We need to have a choice...without it there would be far more devastating consequences.

Suzette - posted on 06/12/2010

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I'm with Sharon on the disability issue and adoption. There are people out there who adopt special needs children for the right reasons, however, there are those that adopt them only for the monetary value. It's wrong and it would trouble me greatly to know that the possibility my special needs child was only adopted for that reason. If I knew that my child was special needs and they would be in agonizing pain for the rest of their life, I would struggle with that decision greatly.

Tracey - posted on 06/12/2010

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Christina, do you have a disabled child? Mine is severely disabled and if I was told another baby would be disabled I would abort immediately. As for adoption, there are thousands of "normal" kids out there waiting to be adopted, disabled kids are going to be bottom of the list and likely to spend their entire lives in a care home.

If we disallow abortions for ladies who can't be bothered to organise proper birth control are we going to see a rise in the number of reported rape cases, as this may beome the only way they can get an abortion?

ME - posted on 06/12/2010

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I am strongly pro-choice! We can not begin to imagine, innumerate, or legislate for all of the reasons abortions may be necessary or acceptable. In addition, I see no reason why the law would need to be extended into the privacy of the doctors office!

Krista - posted on 06/12/2010

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A 12-week cutoff can be problematic, however. Let's say if you have a woman whose periods are usually irregular anyway. She may not find out that she's pregnant until she's about 8 weeks along. That gives her four weeks to discuss things with her partner (if applicable), make her decision, find out where one would procure an abortion, make the appointment, and have the appointment fall within that deadline. My concern is that in some remote or very rural areas, access to facilities is pretty much non-existent. So if a woman has to go to another part of the country, that complicates things.

Not that I'm a fan of late-term abortion (except in cases of maternal health risk or where the fetus is pretty much non-viable), but imposing a 12-week cutoff runs the risk of leaving some women high and dry.

Sarah - posted on 06/12/2010

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I agree with Cathy,

If an abnormality is found that could severely effect a childs quality life yet non life threatning to mother, will it remove a mothers right to choose? Dealing with major disabilities in a child is very hard. I don't think someone should be forced into making rushed descisions on this issue.

I don't know how to make the letters bold! lol, but i think the important part of those sentences, is the part that says "If an abnormality is found that could severely effect a childs quality life"

Who wants to bring a child into the world when they are going to have no quality of life, or be in pain??

C. - posted on 06/12/2010

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Amie, it may be a pretty low way of looking at it to you.. But that is how it came across to me, and it still comes across that way.

Ez - posted on 06/12/2010

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Here in the UK the latest you can have an abortion is 24 weeks, which i think is absolutely ridiculous because babie's who are actually born at 24 weeks, can survive. The new PM is trying to lower it to 20 weeks. If i had an abortion, i personally wouldnt have one past 12 weeks, and 12 weeks would be pushing it.

Sarah this is the issue I have with late-term abortion. Until joining COMs I actually didn't realise that elective abortions were possible so late in a pregnancy. Here in Aus, standards specify that the cut off is 12 weeks, although I have heard of cases where doctors have stretched this to 16 weeks in certain cases. If medically-indicated they are done up until 24 weeks, but the idea that an abortion will be performed at 24 weeks for social reasons is absurd to me. Mainly because they are viable at this gestational age.

Amie - posted on 06/11/2010

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Becky there's no laws against it no, you're right. However it is difficult to find doctors who will perform them later in pregnancies.

Christina, it is not classifying a baby as "up to standards". /:) That's a pretty low way of looking at it. It's a quality of life issue. For some cases it's manageable. For others it's not. No person has the right to tell another person what to do.

C. - posted on 06/11/2010

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"Dealing with major disabilities in a child is very hard. I don't think someone should be forced into making rushed descisions on this issue."



I don't see how anyone has the right to terminate a pregnancy just b/c the baby isn't 'up to their standards'. If they don't want to keep the baby and deal with the hardships that come with taking care of a disabled child, then give them up for adoption! There are families that specifically adopt children with special needs so they can have a chance at life, too, so to me there's really no excuse when it comes down to that.



Sorry, that just caught my eye..



And I don't think abortion should be illegal as of yet b/c that will force women to go to some back-alley butcher putting BOTH lives at risk. But I still believe it's wrong.

Becky - posted on 06/11/2010

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I am pro-life. Aside from extreme medical reasons, I am against abortion. That said, I do not think it should be illegal. Not at this point, anyways. I have worked in Child Protection for 10 years, and have seen too many unwanted and mistreated children. Too many kids whose mothers didn't care enough about them to give up the drugs and alcohol during pregancy and now the kids are permanently damaged. Now, I'm not saying I think those kids would be better off if they'd been aborted, and I'd never counsel a young woman to have an abortion. (although if one of my clients had chosen to do so, I would've been obligated to support her, inspite of my moral views on the issue.) But, until we have better services in place to help young women dealing with unplanned pregnancies, or rape, etc, I don't think they should be made illegal. I suppose, if I had to make the choice, I'd rather see a baby killed at 8 weeks gestation than live its first 3 years in hell and then be killed violently at the hands of its parents!
I do think maybe there should be more regulation around it though. I know in Canada, there's no limit on how far into a pregnancy you can get an abortion, and I think there should be.

Sarah - posted on 06/11/2010

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I would never call a woman for having an abortion, each one to their own.

Here in the UK the latest you can have an abortion is 24 weeks, which i think is absolutely ridiculous because babie's who are actually born at 24 weeks, can survive. The new PM is trying to lower it to 20 weeks. If i had an abortion, i personally wouldnt have one past 12 weeks, and 12 weeks would be pushing it.

Thanks for all your opinions, it's nice to get people's different views on this (the only other time it's been brought up in school and they were very anti-abortion)

Thanks again :o)

Johnny - posted on 06/11/2010

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I am strongly pro-choice. I do not like abortions, I feel that it is a life from the moment of conception, and would not have one myself except for medical reasons. BUT I do not have the right to make choices in other women's lives and about other women's bodies. In addition, making abortion illegal does not stop it, it just marginalizes and brutalizes women.

C. - posted on 06/11/2010

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I'm going to take after Sara H on this one..



I'm going to say what I think about it and move on to the next conversation b/c I know people will have something to say about it.



I don't believe in abortion. Period. Not for rape or anything like that. Medical reasons are another issue, but abortion just for the heck of it or b/c you were raped, no. Maybe that is from my family having a couple rape babies in it that were kept and loved.. I don't know, but I don't believe in abortion.

Suzette - posted on 06/11/2010

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I'm with Sara H, though to add if it's for medical reasons I'm all for that too.

At the same time, I don't begrudge anyone who chooses to have an abortion. Everyone has their own reasons and it's a damn hard decision to make for most women.

Amie - posted on 06/11/2010

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I completely agree with Erin's post.

I'm pro-choice but like Erin said, there is a line and that's mine too.

Ez - posted on 06/11/2010

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I am pro-choice, but I do have an issue with late-term elective abortions (which are illegal here in Aus but available elsewhere). I'm not talking about cases of there being a medical issue (risk to mother, baby with chromosomal abnormality that is incompatible with life etc), but rather someone just leaving it til 16 or 20 weeks to have the procedure. I struggle with the idea that I would tell another woman what to do with her body, but there is a line, and this is it for me.

Joanna - posted on 06/11/2010

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I am pro-choice. While I don't personally like the idea of women using abortion as a form of birth control, I am for letting women do what they choose with their bodies, no questions asked. I do get a little sick of the "I'm against abortion, unless... this this and this." It's just a way of saying you are for abortion for certain reasons you deem appropriate, but women get abortions all the time for so many different reasons, all of them are appropriate reasons for THEM, which is all that matters.

Sarah - posted on 06/11/2010

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Oh yeah, i agree with you about your life style. If i found out i was pregnant tomorrow (trust me, it'd be a friggin miracle if a was) I'd be mortified and i would have an abortion. I've got a 2 year old and a 13 week old, im not ready for another baby yet. Plus i tore badly with my youngest so id be absolutely terrified of child birth right now. Im not in the right mind frame to have another baby.



But women who dont use protection, thats what annoys me. Just using abortion for birth control, its wrong. But as you said, they arent obviously grown up enough to look after themselves, let alone a baby.



People should face up to their responsibilities but in certain circumstances, i feel it needs to be done. My friend got pregnant at 14 because she was on the pill but on antibiotics at the same time and no one had told her antibiotics cancel out the pill. So she got caught pregnant. She was devastated as she was half way through her GCSE's. She had an abortion because she didnt feel she could cope, she wanted kids but not until she had some good qualifications behind her. She's still with her partner now. And i definately agree if someone gets raped then no one should judge her if she decided to have an abortion, at all !

Erin - posted on 06/11/2010

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Pro-choice. I don't like when people do it just for convenience but it's still their right.

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I'll say this then I'm out. It's a never ending debate.

I'm against abortion except for rape and if the life of the mother is at stake. Otherwise I think people should be responsible for their actions and use protection, and adoption is a great option if that fails.

Rosie - posted on 06/11/2010

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i feel exact as sharon does-except i don't think i could have an abortion if i got pregnant today. vasectomies are god sent, lol!

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