Abortion- Abortion is wrong. It's murder. Agree? Thanks

Breannah - posted on 01/11/2013 ( 63 moms have responded )

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Abortion may be acceptable in some cases. But overall the problem is, you are taking a human life.
In some cases, such as, rape, or possible death during pregnancy; Abortion should be allowed. However, if you’re just another teenager that wasn’t careful, is your fault. You should have been more careful and thought about it. You brought this child into the world, it’s your responsibility to take care of it.

Killing an unborn child is inherently wrong, and therefore can never be justified regardless of circumstances. It is no more just to kill an unborn child in order to avoid hardship than it would be to kill a toddler to avoid hardship. Because the unborn child is unseen, it is easier for society to condone killing him or her, though this is morally indistinguishable from killing any child at any stage of development.

Anyone else agree?

-Breannah

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I'm with Dove & Jodi here--if abortion is murder, it is murder ALL the time. If it is not considered murder if the child was conceived via rape, then it is never murder.

One of my very best friends is actually a very highly regarded scholar--he's won tons of awards and made history in the field of archaeology (now, I don't follow archaeology, I barely understand it myself, but I know it's important--learning from history and all that--and I know he's important). Well, he was conceived via rape. His mother was taken in a parking garage. So according to those "It's okay to abort if it's rape" people, it was fine to abort him because he was conceived via rape, and thus, could not possibly be one of those babies who would make an invaluable contribution to our society as an adult. No one could have predicted whether my friend would be an invaluable contribution to our world, or not, based solely on the way he was conceived. That would be like saying "This baby could cure cancer because both of his parents were consentual , but this baby will never cure cancer because his mom was raped by his dad." (I'm not trying to trivialize rape--I know it is traumatizing and life changing, but it has absolutely no bearing on the mental capacity of the child conceived)

Now, this was the 1950's, abortions were not safe or even truly effective, and SHE elected not to have one. SHE chose to carry, and eventually to keep, her baby, and thus, my friend was afforded a life. That choice should be HER's and HER's alone. Today, women have safer, more effective, legal choices available to them, and that is the way it should be.

Furthermore, with the new information we have on the Nature vs. Nurture debate, a child born into a home where it is not wanted (even if the sex that created it was consentual) is 1) much more likely to suffer physical abuse, 2) much more likely to suffer from debilitating mental illness, 3) much more likely to be institutionalized, 4) much more likely to commit a felony, 5) is more likely to depend on public assistance as an adult, 6) much more likely to use drugs on a regular basis, 7) more likely to have anger management issues and poor impulse control and low self-esteem, 8) less likely to attend college (even in affluent households) and 9) more likely to suffer from depression at all levels.

Only a mother can decide whether she is capable of carrying, and or raising, a baby. In many cases, unfortunately, the baby is better off not being born.

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Abortion is wrong, unless a specific situation occurred. If you didn't want a baby, then you should have been more careful. It's that simple. Why allow a child, one who could have the cure for cancer, or do something great, could be someone great, why allow them to just, never exist?
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Why is it ok in certain circumstances? What makes it murder and what makes it ok? Who gets to draw that line? You, the government, gynecologists or the pregnant woman herself?

"Why allow a child, etc cures cancer, etc."

Yeah, they could also be the next BTK or Ted Bundy or worse Pat Robert$on.

Jodi - posted on 01/11/2013

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Kari, that has always been one of my arguments. You can't prove it. I have heard arguments about how abortion should be illegal except in cases of rape, incest, and medical necessity. And yet all of these things ALSO have grey areas. You can never prove it isn't rape. If a woman goes to a doctor and says the pregnancy is a result of rape, do we suddenly make the woman a FURTHER victim of rape by assuming she may not be telling the truth and ask her for burden of proof? That's simply not an acceptable.

What the debate of abortion rights comes down to is that you are welcome to choose not to have one if you believe all of these things. If you believe it is murder (and like the other ladies say, if you believe that, it is ALWAYS murder, no matter how the fetus got there), then don't have one, you have that right. But when it comes to the law, you don't have the right to choose for other women. But by all means, you are welcome to your opinion :).

Firebird - posted on 01/11/2013

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I always love the argument "Think of all the Einsteins, Mozarts and DaVincis that we lost through abortion"... my favourite reply is "Think about all the Hitlers, Bin Ladens, Justin Beibers and Bundys we were spared because of abortion"

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Honestly. If you were raped, would you want to carry around a baby for 9 months, give birth to it, and raise it, only to be reminded of what you were put through? I would not go for abortion no matter what. But, in this case, I would understand if some would wish to get an abortion.
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How is that not murder? Simply because the conception was...unpleasant, how does that change abortion from murder to acceptable.

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Kim - posted on 01/04/2014

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Wrong. Plainly put.

I am a Christian mother whose had an abortion as a young girl...

Abirtion drs. Lie. They r sneaky. I seen this 1st hand. I was misled and became severely I'll mentally and physically. Dr's and politicians say it's ok to do. But none have sat and had it done to them.

God is the creator. Life is fragile and precious. As christians we should have a Conviction to be pro life....but not all America or the world are christians. Many have beliefs in another kind of god were raised on and they'd die for. So I can see how someone with those beliefs would think it's ok to abort. I however am against the sin of abortion. But we need to inform.imbrace.anf love those who have done it.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 01/15/2013

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It doesn't matter when comments are made when a mod sees them. We try to see every post, and can be difficult. That is why when there are personal attacks or whatever else, flagging or reporting posts really helps us target what is going on.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 01/15/2013

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Nope not messing with you Kristi. The conversation (aside from the joking back and forth between Dove and Firebird) was on the line. It is just about debating respectfully, for all parties involved.

Kristi - posted on 01/13/2013

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Well shoot-- I couldn't tell because all the "disagreement" occurred so many comments ago so I thought maybe she was messing with us. Damn texting...when are they going to make these things voice operated? Oh and when did italics and bold stop working?

Firebird - posted on 01/13/2013

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I think Little Miss was more or less agreeing with the conversation about JB, and was issuing a warning about the conversation before that. lol

Kristi - posted on 01/13/2013

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Um...Little Miss--

Are you joking? Like we should have more respect forJB and other choices of music...hahaha OR are you seriously referring to the conversation we were having before JB? I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. In which case, I'm LMFAO....if not, I'm NOT LMFAO.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 01/13/2013

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LOL...should we have all just said "disagree" and left it at that?

BTW, Little Miss, I like the hair in the latest profile pic of you!

ETA: Sorry, off topic even worse!

~♥Little Miss - posted on 01/13/2013

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*****MoD Warning*****

Ladies, lets quit the in thread bickering or I will shut it down. This is a very sensitive subject, and everyone has the right to their opinions and views. This is an open forum, so everyone is free to share their views with respect. If you do not want others opinions on a highly controversial issues, it may be in your best interest to not post such threads.

And Dove, stop soliciting for a house cleaner and threatening to torture someone with music that may make their eardrums bleed :)

~DM MoD Little Miss~

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 01/13/2013

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Never listened to him, myself, (thank goodness I don't have teenage girls, I guess) LOL...I did hear part of one song on Disney, I think, and I remember thinking he won't be around after his voice changes...

But then I think back, and we had the same thing when I was a tween...and now everyone is ashamed to have listened to him!

Kristi - posted on 01/12/2013

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Grace doesn't like him either. The only one I know is the one Baby, Baby because I think those are the only words in the whole song and they played it every 30 minutes! He's a little creeper, if you ask me. Lol

Firebird - posted on 01/12/2013

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I don't know any of his songs either. I listened to one when he first came out... just to see why everyone was making fun of him. Found out real fast! lol Got about 20 seconds into it, then couldn't take anymore.

Firebird - posted on 01/12/2013

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The worst of Beiber's songs shall be decided by contest. Whichever one makes me vomit the fastest wins.

Kristi - posted on 01/12/2013

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Firebird, Dove, Shawnn--

HOW do you decide which one of JB's songs is actually THE worst? Let's start a thread about really bad teeny boppers and see who can come up with the best (worst) one! ; )

Maybe you should also take a refresher on bullying...I think popular girls were mean to the new girl and I'm telling. (oh, that's right....you can't see me trying to keep a straight face)

Kari - posted on 01/11/2013

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Jodi,
I 100% agree with you. I cannot imagine getting pregnant as the result of a rape, & then have to somehow justify my reasons for wanting to abort....& having the possibility of not being believed. Now, if MEN could get pregnant, birth control would be sold in candy machines & abortions performed on every corner (I'm not serious of course, but c'mon).

And yes, there are things *I* personally & "morally" (morals are subjective) don't agree with, so I do not do them :)
This debate always seems to get so nasty, & that sucks because typically a woman who is in the position to have to choose does not deserve to get her ass handed to her by a bunch of psychotic "right-lifers"....
Have a good night :)

Kari - posted on 01/11/2013

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Oh my...
I get this side of the argument, I do. But I guess, how do you "prove" you were raped? How do you "prove" it was incest? I just don't think that's possible...unless you hunt down the rapist & have him sign a form ;)

Personally,, I don't think I could ever have an abortion, & I have done everything in my pwoer to NOT get pregnant unintentionally. However, BC isn't always 100%. And I do agree with you that I don't think abortion should be used as a form of BC (well, you didn't specifically say that, but I got it).

Firebird - posted on 01/11/2013

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Oh yea, Shawnn, I am vicious, twisted and cruel. Not necessarily in that order. lol

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 01/11/2013

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OOH...don't get on Firebird's bad side! LOLOL

Firebird - posted on 01/11/2013

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Chocolate? Damn, that's one of my few weaknesses. Ok you could bribe me with chocolate, but only after I've forced headphones over your ears and played the worst song on Beiber's cd, on repeat, for several hours. Then you can bribe me and I'll clean your house, and play with the kids. And while I'm playing with them, I'll teach that same song to them and they will sing it over and over for the next 2 years.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 01/11/2013

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Dang...LOL...I was gonna split the cost with Dove!!

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 01/11/2013

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I noticed it had been slow...and I did enjoy the laugh!

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 01/11/2013

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Um, Breannah, my dear, we ARE adults. You are the person who started being rude when answering posts. YOU are the one who said *** "I'm sorry but I'm afraid that this is MY account. I chose to repost it, and that's exactly what I did. If you have a problem, I'd rather not hear about it."*** YOU are the one who said *** "Sweety, I'm not scared of you, and you attempting to tell me off isn't going to stop me from saying what I feel. Ummmmmm, thanks. K bye."***

Which, in my humble opinion doesn't make US the bitchy, rude ones...

Lighten up. The truth of the matter is, this debate has been over done. It ALWAYS gets ugly, no matter what.

'Nuff said. Dove, wanna go play somewhere else, so we don't "bother" anyone?

Breannah - posted on 01/11/2013

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Okay you guys. We are all adults here. Feel free to grow up. I don't have a problem with what any of you post. ut, I have my opinion as well, deal wit it.So all of you feel free to post whatever the heell you want.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 01/11/2013

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Ooh...LOL...coffee was bad this morning, or did you just get out of the wrong side of the bed? You asked opinions, Breannah. If my opinion bothers you, don't read it.

Breannah - posted on 01/11/2013

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I'm sorry but I'm afraid that this is MY account. I chose to repost it, and that's exactly what I did. If you have a problem, I'd rather not hear about it.

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 01/11/2013

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Agree with Dove here, this has been done to death...another one for the thread killer spray.

And, I will just say one other thing, Breannah...Either it's murder, the taking of a human life, in ALL cases, or it's not.

You cannot say that it's murder in every case EXCEPT that of a rape victim. That, my friend, is a double standard.

But, again, this one is going to get ugly, and if you really want to know all the views, just search this website for all of the OTHER similar threads, rather than reopening the issue that we've already beat to death

Ok, thank you, bye bye...LOL

Breannah - posted on 01/11/2013

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Yes, but this form of "murder" isn't the same as taking a gun to someones head. I clearly said it to make a point.

Mary - posted on 01/11/2013

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Breannah, you're missing the point. If you believe that "abortion is murder", it is STILL "murder" even if conception is a product of rape. The outcome of abortion, no matter the means of conception, is still the termination of a pregnancy. What you are saying is that you believe that murder/abortion are at times justifiable (to you).

Breannah - posted on 01/11/2013

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Honestly. If you were raped, would you want to carry around a baby for 9 months, give birth to it, and raise it, only to be reminded of what you were put through? I would not go for abortion no matter what. But, in this case, I would understand if some would wish to get an abortion. i'm not heartless, & you need to think of the mother just as much, and how she feels about it. And gets no where except ugly?,Sweety, I'm not scared of you, and you attempting to tell me off isn't going to stop me from saying what I feel. Ummmmmm, thanks. K bye.

Lakota - posted on 01/11/2013

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Yep. There are a lot of women who feel this way actually. It is sickening when you think about the number of abortions that could have been prevented if some women had just gotten some form of birth control. There will be some people who will argue that certain women may not have access to birth control. That is not the truth. It is just pure laziness and stupidity.

Breannah - posted on 01/11/2013

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Thank you. I'm glad someone sees my point. It's not right, and it drives me crazy. Those who have un-protected sex over&over again, and just continue to have abortions, drives me crazy. To see those who could grow up to be great, not even given that chance! *sigh*

Lakota - posted on 01/11/2013

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Breannah, I agree with you. I do think that it may be acceptable in some cases also. I have known women who use it as a means of birth control - they have had multiple abortions because they chose to have unprotected sex over and over again. I guess they don't understand the concept of birth control.

Breannah - posted on 01/11/2013

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And I understand that. However, you do not speak for ALL. I guarantee some moms on here, would agree with me. Abortion is wrong, unless a specific situation occurred. If you didn't want a baby, then you should have been more careful. It's that simple. Why allow a child, one who could have the cure for cancer, or do something great, could be someone great, why allow them to just, never exist? Everyone should have a chance at life, and abortion is just taking that chance away.

Mary - posted on 01/11/2013

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Ummmm...okay, thank you for sharing your beliefs and opinions. I think I can speak for everyone on here when I say we now all know that you would never chose to abort a fetus that is growing in your uterus.

However, you have not stated any indisputable facts. All you have stated are your opinions and beliefs on this topic. Just because YOU believe something is inherently wrong does not necessarily make it so. Just because YOU believe that abortion is murder does not make that statement true. Since abortion is actually legal in many countries, it is not categorized as a murder. Is is ending the fetus' existence? Absolutely. However, that still does not fit the legal or even the dictionary's definition of murder ( the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.)

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