Alternative Medicine

Katherine - posted on 01/01/2011 ( 220 moms have responded )

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In Western culture, the controversial term alternative medicine is any healing practice "that does not fall within the realm of conventional medicine",[1] or "that which has not been shown consistently to be effective."[2] It is often opposed to evidence based medicine and encompasses therapies with a historical or cultural, rather than a scientific, basis. However, the term alternative medicine has been criticized by those skeptical of such practices as deceptive.[3] Richard Dawkins has stated that "there is no alternative medicine. There is only medicine that works and medicine that doesn't work."[4

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Anyone use alternative medicine? What are your thoughts? Do you agree that it doesn't exist?
I have dabbled in it. I wouldn't say I use it though.
I also wouldn't call it ridiculous.
How do you feel about it?

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Charlie - posted on 01/05/2011

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Julianne that makes no sense what so ever in relation to the biological "cause" of cancer unless you have worded wrong :/

Cancer cells cannot "eat" the poison , cancer is caused by a mutation of DNA this can be CAUSED by things of an external origin , internal origin ( genetic ) or physically ( science based ) .



Cancer is a collection of over 200 diseases in which cells of an organ or tissue in the body become abnormal ,growing and multiplying out of control , when those cells containing the mutated DNA start to get out of control they group together and form a tumour . Cancer spreads through the lymphatic system, through the bloodstream, by spreading through body spaces such as the bronchi or abdominal cavity, or through implantation.



It isn't that something else is killing the body but the cancer weakens the organ making it susceptible to other illness and since the immune system is already down this illness usually causes death , the tumor CAUSES the downfall of the rest of the body .

Ez - posted on 01/01/2011

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I am totally open to alternative therapies, but believe they need to be used in conjunction with modern medicine, not instead of.



One of the doctors I work for is an MD who also does acupuncture. He is Chinese, and has no problems combining the two when forming a treatment plan for his patients. They can be treated surgically, be on pain meds, having rehab with a physio AND having acupuncture all at once. I know a pharmacist who is also a naturopath. He combines his traditional pharmaceuticals with herbal remedies with remarkable success.



I see no reason for the either/or situation that seems so common with attitudes to health care.

Veronica - posted on 01/06/2011

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I am almost 100% natural remedies/products,etc. -- if it needs surgery, or severe to the point to see the doc - i will go to the doc.
We've always been against prescription drugs -- my mom was on one for blood sugar, they sent her a letter that said, "studies are showing fatalities and heart problems from this medication - please keep taking it, and talk to your doctor." In other words, they wanted my mom to be their damn guinea pig.
I just dont trust a product that says, "have diarrhea? take this - your gums will bleed, you will have kidney failure, your skin will wrinkle badly, you'll have holes in your colon, your liver will shut down -- but you wont have diarrhea anymore!!! "
I mean, I just dont get why people want to take this garbage.
I go by this saying, "your body is not deficient in pills." But I dont put down modern medicine, if it is needed when natural/alternative is no longer effective.
I beleive a lot of things can be "cured" "healed", helped and prevented. I believe that most things are simple toxins, bad bacteria, or simple deficiencies.
Cancer breeds on acid - eliminate acid, balance the ph in your body - and for the most part it will be gone. Green leafy vegetables have been shown in a lab experiment, to "kill" cancer - mainly for the fact that there was nothing there for the cancer to feed on - so of course it perished. Green leafy vegetables help balance the ph of your body.
And there is a product on the market that does kill cancer - it makes the cancer eat itself, and it has been proven.
BUT, not all cancer is the same, and everyone's body is different - so i cant say that it cures all cancer either. Just that it does kill it.
Everyone should be detoxing @ least once or twice a year - some do it at the change of the season. Antioxidants should be taken daily - we are exposed to free -radicals alllll the time - and these free radicals can do a number of damages to your body. My husband takes an antioxidant for his asthma and COPD -- he has been able to cut down his inhalers, he used to use both up within a month or less - now, they last him close to 6 months. This particular antioxidant has antiinflammatorys in it, that help open his airways.
I love alternatives -- they are def. good for preventive care, and can be a treatment as well. A lady I know, her daughter had warts all over her hands really bad -- they tried all the topical things to get rid of them - burned, froze, medications/ointments. Finally she was told about a particular aloe juice -- warts are not a topical issue, they are an internal issue - viral -- it took about six months - about a dose or two a day - and she no longer had warts, and still doesnt.
I could tell a shit load of other testimonys too -- but i dont want to flood this thing up.

To get to the main question -- I think both 'medicines' should be considered and used in all treatments and medical practices, etc. Drs. need this training - ive heard they only get like 6 weeks of natural training - and then they are drilled by drug companies the rest of their schooling -- how can they use a natural route? I have yet to find a doctor who works with both. I usually consult health nutritionists when i have a problem, first. then i will go to the doc if they cant help.
I will go for alternative any day. Not that nothing could happen to me, but i like to know that i am taking preventative steps towards a healthier me. And Kelly, accupressure is the bomb! it hurts like hell - but I always felt better, and Ive seen the healing that that has as well! i need to find an accupressurist again!

Ok, im sure this is an incomplete paragraph of incoherent talk, that makes no sense in the least, but im leaving it here for now, and will clarify add or change as i go.

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i go first for alternative, yet when i needed a section and a spinal, i took it, we would have died otherwise. I took the pain killers afterward too. I was in too much pain to really care at that time :P If life is on the line and you refuse to go for the other form of medicine, then your ignorant and stubborn. Plain and simple. Why suffer when theirs an answer.

Tara - posted on 01/02/2011

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I believe in nature, and I believe that modern medicine is great, but that sometimes it strays too far from the problem and solution.
Using natural products to alleviate or prevent health issues is different than going and having a "vagi-steam" for $50 for 20 minutes of herbs being steamed up your lady parts. I used cranberry tablets to prevent a UTI.
I use pro-biotics to keep my metabolism in check when I know I'm fighting some kind of intestinal bug.
I believe that since the roots of my most medicine comes from natural medicine, than it makes sense that natural medicine is and can be a good thing.
Medical science is freaking amazing but in too many cases things become over thought, and the more natural solution is overlooked or dismissed because it seems far too simple.
I use a variety of things to keep us healthy, never tried accupuncture etc. but believe in a good massage and a joint to ease the pain in my right hip/knee (old injuries that have turned arthritic) does pot count as natural medicine?? Yep!! I hate taking Motrin for that pain, it makes my head feel floaty, and ironically the joint does not. lol
I think it's about balance. The medical community needs to come over to the other side a little bit more and recognize the merit in some alternative medicines, while the natural side should also recognize that many of the advances in medical science are wonderful and can be the best choice.
Neither side seems to respect the other very much and that is what is leading to this divide between the two, come on people now, smile on your brother every body get together try to love one another right now......
Both sides can benefit from the knowledge of the other.

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Jane - posted on 01/08/2011

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Well, I think I agree with the statement "there is no alternative medicine...". I think there are so many things out there besides traditional meds that are just as effective or maybe even more so than the traditional types. I'm all for what works...traditional, alternative, whatever.

Veronica - posted on 01/06/2011

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Wanted to clarify - was rereading my posts - in my very first one, i stated that i would go to a health/nutrition person before a doctor ---- then later said i will go to a doctor to get screening, blood work, etc. ----- Im clarifying that i would go to a health/nutrition person first for treatment, altnerative medicine - before taking pills/prescriptions from a doctor. I would def. go to a doctor first if a problem arised - I could sit online all day, or consult all day about why my stomach hurts, or where my headache is coming from - but until i go to the doctor and get labwork/tests, etc. done -- I wont know.
So doctor for diagnosis, tests, bloodwork -- of course they tell me what to do or what i need', in the meantime, i will then look for alternatives.
Did that make any sense? LOl

Veronica - posted on 01/06/2011

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for the stomach pain, or varicose veins - questions - I personally, am not that ignorant to not see a doctor. Same goes if I know Im not feeling my best, or my energy is low, etc. -- i have no problem getting a physical (checkup) to see if Im deficient in something, or if I have underlying issues (like my thyroid which jumps from hyper to hypo, with an inactive goiter). As there are great alternative i use that help this - I still go and get everything screened and tested - and I do consult my physicians and use some of their advice - but incorporate my own things - and I am open to them about what i take.

Veronica - posted on 01/06/2011

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after reading some more posts - i want to clarify Kate - yes, no one knows the actual cause of cancer.
We know what can feed it, bring it about, etc. (carcinogens, toxins, acids, etc.) but how and why and where it started, is truly the mystery. Was it that whiff of smoke we breathed, that sugary peice of candy? we dont know. Yes, there are alternative medications that can help, and even put people into remission, as its called; but we cannot dismiss modern medicine either - and sometimes they need to be used together. For instance some people take chemo, but also take products that boost their immune system, to help them from being so sick. etc.

The products i referred to, help - it doesnt mean it cures.

Kate CP - posted on 01/06/2011

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I don't know if Lyme's disease is common in Australia (which is where Loureen is)...I do know it's usually only found in woody areas where deer ticks are a problem.

As for the diet stuff I have to eat and drink it now in some cases because I have GD. Not a huge fan but I'll take my coffee any way I can get it. Yes, I only have one cup a day. :P

Veronica - posted on 01/06/2011

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I have a question - Those of you who have had ticks stuck to ya - what ailments do you now have, after the fact?? Whether its only been months, or even years.

Im not here to diagnose anything -- but I was just thinking about some posts Ive been reading for over a year now, about Lyme's Disease, and how undetectable it really can be, and that some people dont always have the tell-tale symptoms - but develop problems later on. (Yes, I need to find and copy these articles on here). Anywhooo -- those who dont know what particular symptoms or health issues are caused from, perhaps this may be it.

Also - another interesting thing - how many people are diet soda drinkers, or eat/drink stuff that has Aspartame in it? Did you know its basically formeldyhide and an acid - that when it hits the temp of like 86 degrees F, it seperates to these two components --- also known to cause probs. like MS and fibro, and such. (lots of diet foods have this in them)



Just some things to think about...... I dont need a reply to this post --

Jodi - posted on 01/06/2011

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Ah, ok then, just with all the different posts and various paraphrasings, I just got a little confused. Silly me :D

Mother - posted on 01/06/2011

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That part of the post was for Krista not you in reference to my question.

Jodi - posted on 01/06/2011

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"I never rephrased anything. I said it word for word"

Well, please feel free to enlighten me as to where I said this: "people should rely on modern medicine and not natural therapies."

Mother - posted on 01/06/2011

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I never rephrased anything. I said it word for word but I do see where adding the quotes from someone would get confusing. Jodi...I wasn't trying to twist anything or accuse you of anything. I was trying to show where and what you had said ONLY because in the past it has been my experience that people will say....I never said that and you then have to go back thru endless pages to find it. So, when I'm reading a reply I automatically copy and paste the points I want to reply to. I apologize if it appeared like I was trying to do anything else then what I had intended.

Krista - posted on 01/06/2011

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Kelly, your question was fine, but because you combined it with accusing Jodi of having the opinion that people should rely on modern medicine and not natural therapies...well, it pretty much got lost in the shuffle.

The only reason I answered it was because you repeated and rephrased it, so I figured out what it was that you were actually asking.

Jodi - posted on 01/06/2011

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"I asked a specific question, a very direct question that no one would answer until Krista."

Actually, it wasn't such a specific, direct question at all. It was twisting and turning MY words that *I* didn't say. Next time, don't make it a question by twisting other people's words, and don't use someone else's words to make your point. Ask a real direct question without being quite so insulting, and you'd be surprised that you might get an actual answer.

Charlie - posted on 01/06/2011

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The swelling has gone down but the bump is there Im just glad it is in my hair not on my face haha.

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i had a tick before, for years afterward i had a little bump in my neck where it pit me, then it got infected 4 years later, and the bump went away. I got it checked out, dr said it was alright...

Charlie - posted on 01/06/2011

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It was a paralysis tick that I had no idea was stuck in my head , I must have felt it in my sleep and scratched it off squeezing all of the poison out .
My head felt like it was on fire , it was intense !
That's what you get for bushwalking .

Mother - posted on 01/06/2011

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Marina, you can resent it all you want. I asked a specific question, a very direct question that no one would answer until Krista. That is not playing mind games. That was waiting for someone to answer. Then you accuse Julianne of bashing doctors which couldn't be further from the truth. Correct me if my observation was wrong but I don't think it was. I also never accused you of playing mind games.......

Charlie - posted on 01/06/2011

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it would seem obvious wouldn't it Julianne to advise a probiotic too .

I agree Marina we are all arguing the same thing , every single person has said they think both have it's merits , time and place .

~♥Little Miss - posted on 01/06/2011

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Kelly, I resent your sarcasm. People that know me in DM know how I am with compliments, and also know that I back what I have to say. I don't feel I play mind games, and I am just a direct person....in real life and internet.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 01/06/2011

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At this point, I feel we are all arguing the same thing. Modern Medicine and Alternative, Homeopathic, Holistic also is wonderful. Each of us dictates the time and place it is needed for the well being of our families.

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Hi Marina.....aren't you just full of compliments.

If I had a pain in my stomach that didn't go away on its own I would go to my doctor. When I say go away on its own I've already incorporated Natural Therapies. I've never said I'm anti-modern medicine. I'm very much for it....for certain things. If I break my leg, I need a doctor. If I need stitches, I need a doctor. If I need surgery, I need a surgeon. For most other things, I need my own knowledge. If I can't figure it out........I need a Naturopathic Doctor or chiropractor or Homeopath.

Charlie - posted on 01/06/2011

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Oh mine advised them Julianne !



I was just bitten by a tick on my head and it got really infected to the point my head was swollen up like an alien as well as my glands , I tried everything I could before going to the doctors but nothing , he prescribed an antibiotc and advised a probiotic which I take any way :)

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I've said in this thread right here, modern medicine is extremely necessary in some cases. I go for natural first, some prescriptions are over used and i choose to only use them when extremely necessary. I would not take an antibiotic unless i had an infection that would not go away even though i was using natural methods to get rid of it. OR if it were an infection that could cause death or some other serious problem. Antibiotics are prescribed like candy. For common bacteria that usually resolves itself. Some things i dont agree with, im not trying to say modern medicine is evil. I just don't like the way they over prescribe pills. Especially when the side effects outweigh the benefit.



EDIT** most doctors do not prescribe a probiotic when they give out antibiotics. If you take antibiotics it kills bacteria, All bacteria. We need the good bacteria to function properly. All doctors should prescribe probiotics AFTER taking the antibiotics so health issues do not arise from taking them.

Charlie - posted on 01/06/2011

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If they have completed a doctorate level degree they are a doctor .

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If they are not doctors then they have an illegal practice. Alternative medicine is about preventative measures to ensure health.......good food=good health.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 01/06/2011

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"Homeopathic centers exist with doctors who are specialists in alternative medicine.." yes, and some are not doctors at all. I was asking specifically if your homeopathic doctor had a doctorate in modern medicine...

~♥Little Miss - posted on 01/06/2011

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I disagree with calling organic food medicine. But the way you talk about Alternative healing, or homeopathic medicine, maybe you should go for a degree in it. Self education only goes so far, in this way you know for sure your combinations of different herbs will not be harmful rather than helpful. I am all for self educating, and I am not knocking you Julianne, I think it would be good for you. But, and here is my big butt....the way you talk about modern medicine makes it sound evil, and untrustworthy. I believe there is a balance...yes I am more medically minded, but I know the benefits. My grandfather essentially tought my mother all she knows...in turn has tought us. I could tell you stories that would cement your beliefs even further...just keep in mind, modern medical professionals are also HIGHLY educated in their field. They know what they are doing too.

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We eat 90% organic, to limit as much unhealthy things we have going to into our bodies,

alternative medicine at work...

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if i had cancer i would go to a doctor that specialized in alternative cancer treatment and then conventional. i would do everything possible to stay alive for my daughter.

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I was in no way bashing DOCTORS i was saying that natural was better than synthetic in a lot of ways.

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I would use home remedies, same as you would for minor ailments like a cold or flu, but if it were something serious i would go to a doctor. Homeopathic centers exist with doctors who are specialists in alternative medicine...If that didnt work then i would go to a conventional doctor.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 01/06/2011

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But does your homeopathic doctor have a Doctor in MEDICINE?

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Julianne...to me you have been bashing medical doctors this entire thread, making it sound like you would rather heal yourself than trust yourself in the hands of a doctor....I am confused.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 01/06/2011

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Krista, I had the SAME thing during my pregnancy...I still have a bruise from it...and I was 7 months preggo with it...my daughter turns 9 months on the 11....even after I had her, it was still a hard lump...6-7 inches long. I used a heating pad on it, and it got it moving! The pain slowly started going away...I was doing and ice pack on it before the doctor told me to use the hot water bottle intstead. Anytime my veins start acting up, that is what I do now, and it relieves it fairly quickly.

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For the folks who espouse natural medicine -- what would you have done in my position?

go to my doctor. Hes a homeopathic doctor who is not appose to using conventional medicine.

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Aspirin is just as effective as Tylenol or another synthetic version. Its even got better qualities like preventing heart disease, it came from the willow tree. They replaced the natural salicylic acid with a synthetic version in other pain killers which is the same potency. Its harder for the liver to filter synthetic versions so they made it worse....Krista we agreed before :P

~♥Little Miss - posted on 01/06/2011

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Kelly, sorry but I think you play mind games...Everyone has been saying exactly what Krista said...she just said it clear enough for you. Maybe you didn't know exactly how you wanted your question answered. but I think that is what everyone has been saying. It just got into a pissing match over which is better.

Krista - posted on 01/06/2011

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Marina makes a good point. There are SOME conditions that, to my mind, it would be foolish to not go straight to a doctor.

I have a varicose vein in my leg, and one morning, I woke up with a very hard, tender lump in it, and with redness spreading up and down from the site. It turned out to be a thrombophlebitis, and I'm currently on anti-inflammatories for it.

For the folks who espouse natural medicine -- what would you have done in my position?

I guess I can perhaps understand treating your condition naturally, once you know what it is and if it's not life-threatening. But what about obtaining a diagnosis in the first place? How do you go about that, if you distrust doctors?

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And here is MY big question for the Alternative minds...if you had severe abdominal pain,....would you attempt to treat yourself with natural remedies not knowing what specifically is causing the pain? It could range from pancreatitis, gall bladder disease, bowel obstruction, stomache cancer, or just MAJOR gas! Would you seek medical attention to direct you to the specific cause of pain and then choose your course of treatment?

I know for sure if I fell and thought I broke my arm/leg etc I would be heading to the hospital for some x-rays and some serious painkillers...I also know that I take chamomile tea for my menstrual cramps, and use a heating pad...and I pop some advil.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 01/06/2011

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Ok, this post seems like alot of bickering about "whose mommy is better". Both modern medicine and laternative medicine have wonderful healing properties. Just imagine if the natural healers and medical doctors came together more...gee wiz what could be accomplished. I think anyone strictly sticking to natural healing and never looking for help from Doctors is completely naive...and vice versa. Yes Julianne, many natural remedies led to scientific discoveries of what we have now...but you neglected to point out that all natural remedies ALSO carry the burden of side effects. In one of your posts, not even sure if it was in this thread...you admitted you won't use even tylenol or Motrin...you have also led the argument that there is a cure for cancer...or that really there is no such thing as cancer. It sounds to me like you have completely turned your back on modern medicine...that Doctors cannot help people. I truly hope this isn't the case.

Modern Medicines base roots are from nature...granted most medicines now are chemical based, with little or no natural ingredients...but please do not disregard the miricale of modern medicine. I have a base knowledge of alternative medicine...I realized on this thread alone, I know more than what I thought I forgot...but I truly enjoy modern medicine. Being in the vet field for so many years, it marvels me. I have also seen alternative medicine practiced in conjunction with modern medicine, and it was fucking MARVELOUS! This was on pets, not humans. I would like to find a doctor like this for myself.

Krista - posted on 01/06/2011

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If life is on the line and you refuse to go for the other form of medicine, then your ignorant and stubborn. Plain and simple. Why suffer when theirs an answer.

Oh lordy -- Kelly's complimenting me and I'm agreeing with Julianne. I think the next natural medicine I'm going to need are smelling salts, because I'm going to pass out from shock! LOL!

Krista - posted on 01/06/2011

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Um, thanks. And yeah, of course we all have our preferences and our biases. That's just a given. You and I could both get the same cold, and I'd be reaching for the Neo-Citran while you reach for the echinacea. And that's fine.

And like I said, if it's something serious like cancer, then I would hope that the individual would explore ALL of their treatment options and would hopefully have a doctor AND a naturopath who are mature and open-minded enough to work with each other to find the best complement of treatments for the patient.

Kate CP - posted on 01/06/2011

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Natural therapies were made synthetic because it made them stronger. That doesn't mean BETTER (Lord knows that stronger medication doesn't mean it's better) but it's stronger in some cases. Like I've said before I have no problem with natural therapies. I use them, I recommend them for some instances, and I think they work in most cases. But, if I have a headache and a poultice wrap hasn't helped and tea hasn't helped you can bet yer butt I'm reaching for the Tylenol.

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Krista, you're awesome. *applauding you* Thank you so much for that. You're the only one who had the balls to stand up and say so in the last 2 days. That was what I was trying to establish, that we ALL have some biases that shine very brightly thru our comments.

Krista - posted on 01/06/2011

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Would it be ok to rely solely on Modern medicine in this instance??

If it's working for you, then sure.

And if you rely solely on a natural remedy, and it's working for you, then it's totally fine to rely solely on it.

However, if modern medicine ISN'T working for you, then I think it is silly to refuse to at least TRY alternative therapies.

And conversely, if your natural therapies are NOT doing the job, then I think it's silly to refuse to at least TRY modern medicine.

I will admit to being a bit biased -- I prefer modern medicine over natural therapies, although I can absolutely see the value in the latter. My instinct is just usually to go for modern medicine first.

So I will admit freely that, in the case of their preferred therapy not working, I would judge a "natural" person more harshly for ignoring modern medicine than I would judge a "modern" person for ignoring natural remedies, especially in the case of people refusing needed surgeries.

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