And the verdict is?

Veronica - posted on 11/07/2009 ( 43 moms have responded )

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I want open and honest answers -- say what you want, tell me how it is -- Who am I soliciting? Im aware that Ive said/done things against rules which were brought to my attention then. Now, Im being told that Im soliciting again - and I havent done a thing. The only ladies I answer and send INFORMATION to - are the ones who ask about for it in their posts. You ask how to take care of an illness, or skin condition, etc. Im going to offer products that I use and have -- so does the avon and marykay and meleleuca girls. And everyone promotes store brand products - is it wrong that i give you information on what i have? If you arent interested - you arent interested. As for business - as far as i recall and see through my personal messages incoming and outgoing - are to ladies who are ASKING for stay at home businesses. If you arent interested, you arent interested. Am I harrassing you about it? No. So please ladies -- what is the beef here, really? Because Im sick of the bitching already.

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Jodi - posted on 11/07/2009

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Quoting Veronica:

Sharon has nothing to do with anything -- she's always being a bitch to me - so i was dickin around with her --- she made a comment about not finding a job that would work with her school hours -- all i said was two words; market america - so said no - i said why -- big bad veronica again i guess -- i was in a piss poor mood at the time - and she is the same way with me right back - go through some of the posts from a few months back - and other posts with her - im sure there are more complaints about her heartless uncompassionate ass than my solic. I have nothing more to say on that matter - because it was a mere bullshit remark to her



That would also be considered harrassment.

Amie - posted on 11/07/2009

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Definitions:
Solicitation

The practice or act or an instance of soliciting

Solicit

to make a petition to, to approach with a request or plea
to urge

Reading your PM to Jodi is a clear solicitation. If you can't see that I'm not sure what else can be said to make you see it.

Charlie - posted on 11/07/2009

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Actually people have complained about PM containing solicitation from you .
This is a public community open to anyone .

Solicitation is annoying as hell and a blatant disregard for not only the owner / creators of COM who have set up an area designated for advertising but also the women who come here to chat not be mobbed by people selling their wares .

If you wont pay the money to advertise here THEN don't advertise at all .

PLAIN AND SIMPLE .

Jodi - posted on 11/07/2009

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Ok fine, then lets debate the issue in public. Your call (sorry to the DM mods, but Ms Knott is not going to give it a rest despite the reminders about CoM guidelines for Ads & Solicitation).





Veronica Knott

August 1, 1:50 pm

Between: You, Veronica



Dear Jodi,



I read your message on the chat about whether or not you are a pursuer or pursuee -- and really feel for you about the business and long hours.

Do you keep your business options open?



I'd like to offer you information on a business that not only give you financial freedom, but more importantly TIME freedom.



You can reply to this message, or email me at: XXXXXX@hotmail.com



Sincerly,

Veronica Knott





THAT is an unsolicited email. If this is the same spiel you have been sending the people we have had complaints from in the last couple of days, then believe me, you ARE sending info to people who have not asked for it. I received an email from you yesterday (which I have since deleted) which simply asked what business I do at home. I KNOW you were going to use that as an opening to solicit.



This is not about bitching, this is not about who has a beef with you, this is about the rules. People do not come here to be solicited for anything. If you want to advertise a business opportunity or a product, there are avenues to do that. Guidelines are guidelines. You have repeatedly broken them.

~Jennifer - posted on 11/07/2009

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Unsolicited mass private messages are ...*gasp* still solicitations.



C'mon, you've got to be at least smart enough to know that....



People don't want to buy shit, k?

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Jodi - posted on 11/07/2009

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Veronica, just out of interest, do you also sometimes go by the name Vanessa????

Charlie - posted on 11/07/2009

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well that's sad all the " cool " people i know are cool because they are laid back , relaxed , they are themselves and do the exact opposite of your definition .
Glad i follow my definition of cool to meet great people .
EEEEP!

Veronica - posted on 11/07/2009

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Thank you to the friends that I have made on COM - thanks for the bitching from everyone who bitched at me. Thanks for passing judgment upon someone you dont' know -- thanks for those who have helped me, and i hope (besides my business/products) that i have helped in other ways. Im outta here - and if you want to comment anymore - bitch at me, or put your two-cents in - I give you permission to send me a message.

~Jennifer - posted on 11/07/2009

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Vern,



I can either believe that you're *that* conniving, or *that* simple......which one do you prefer?



I'd rather give you credit for being conniving, than believe that your powers of comprehension are so limited.

which one is it?

You wanted honesty, you're getting it. I would appreciate the same in return.

Veronica - posted on 11/07/2009

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mommy chats is only another avenue to take -- and what apology do i have? sorry i tried to help? sorry i was so blonde to know what was right help, and what was wrong help? excuses, huh? no excuses. i do what i do to help others - everyone takes it the way the want to take it. bad and good responses have come from it. the only problem is - the bad responses are not told to my face - they are sent to the mods - who then turn around and landblast me with ads/solic warnings.



Im so sorry i disrupted the COM -- and favoritism, sport, and self empowerment by belittling others. All that i've gotten from COM was negativeness anyways. Too much judgement, favortism, rules, and too many damn alpha-females in the damn room who think their shit doesn't stink.



This is why i havent been on here in so damn long.



I just fought for rights that i thought i had - but apparently on com - no one has rights - its too fake --

~Jennifer - posted on 11/07/2009

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Honey, i'm not pissed....I'm thoroughly amused that you think you're going to get over with lame excuses, and I'm further amused that I can be here to see you try to worm out of it when an apology would have sufficed.
Again....no one wants to see your ads, buy your products or be the other 2 to join your wellness army. If your business was that productive and amazing, you wouldn't need to whore it out on a mommy chat.

Veronica - posted on 11/07/2009

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plenty of shit for the ass hairs -- but that would be the least of my worries.

Veronica - posted on 11/07/2009

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cool. no. shoving shit down people's throats. no. closed ears and closed minds, see it a lot. tons of other product out there to compete with, you bet those ass hairs. sometimes trying different approaches and avenues work. Def. of Cool - letting others walk all over you, pleasing other people, changing who you are and what you are about. Im am not those things. I piss you off, so be it. I get the guidelines - had to push the buttons, peruse a bit, piss people off -- now i know almost 100% of the guidelines - and limits.

~Jennifer - posted on 11/07/2009

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Quoting Veronica:

Nope. Irritation. Sorry, all out of fresh ass hairs.



Well, I'm sure you have a product that will soothe your irritated ass hairs.



;)

~Jennifer - posted on 11/07/2009

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Vern,



The 'bitch back' posts just make you look foolish. It's clear to anyone that makes it to your little ad that you know you're wrong. Really....that's the impression you want to give to people that you expect to trust you as a business woman?



I wouldn't buy an ass hair from you if I was making turd souffle.



Nice chatting with you, I doubt you'll be here long after this little rant.



but then.....if you were really so keen on giving advice and helping people.......I guess you wouldn't have thrown in the ads.



Sad, really.



You're probably pretty cool when you're not shoving product down people's throats.

Veronica - posted on 11/07/2009

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low to no startup costs, no inventory - unless you want that - no parties - unless you want to -- no cold calls, no door to door: word of mouth, ads, helping others who tell others - so on and so forth

Veronica - posted on 11/07/2009

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Nope. I only need two other business partners in my organization. We as a team from top to infinity build on group volume - product sales, internet sales, partner stores sales/commissions - the list goes on. Over 2500 exclusive products, over 50 million online products and services to offer. Partnered with Google, and Microsoft - which have been pushing our company to go above Amazon. We are not MLM - we are in One to One Marketing, and our structure is Vertical - not Horizontal. My business i do, helps my business partners below me and above me. I can place 100% of my volume to the lowest person in my organization - where they receive 100%, all the way back up to me 100% and up above me to the very top - 100%

~Jennifer - posted on 11/07/2009

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Quoting Veronica:

lots of harrassment on COM - i see melissa donnelly getting bitched down every word she writes. favoritism on COM is another thing - Jenn -- lets single out my little remark - which was mere, and didnt contain bitching, swear words, or cutting someone down -- except for what i just said about it -- so im fired from com - ive brought my attention up to administration for COM - and have given them all of my information about it all - its ultimatly up to them at this point to see fit what they want done with me -- not anyone else.



and that means what to me?



 



You're arguing with 3 mods appointed by CoM  to the welcome page about advertising....WE know the guidelines.  (and BTW - profanity is not covered by the guidelines - language is regulated by the community leaders, admin & mods)



 



I hope you sent this all to CoM offices.



Honestly, you just shot yourself in the foot.



We tried to explain it to you MANY times..........If they should contact me about it, I'll suggest they check your activity in other forums to see how many ads & solicitations you have posted. i hope you've at least paid your 50 dollar advertising fee.



 

Veronica - posted on 11/07/2009

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lots of harrassment on COM - i see melissa donnelly getting bitched down every word she writes. favoritism on COM is another thing - Jenn -- lets single out my little remark - which was mere, and didnt contain bitching, swear words, or cutting someone down -- except for what i just said about it -- so im fired from com - ive brought my attention up to administration for COM - and have given them all of my information about it all - its ultimatly up to them at this point to see fit what they want done with me -- not anyone else.

~Jennifer - posted on 11/07/2009

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Quoting Jodi:



Quoting Veronica:

Sharon has nothing to do with anything -- she's always being a bitch to me - so i was dickin around with her --- she made a comment about not finding a job that would work with her school hours -- all i said was two words; market america - so said no - i said why -- big bad veronica again i guess -- i was in a piss poor mood at the time - and she is the same way with me right back - go through some of the posts from a few months back - and other posts with her - im sure there are more complaints about her heartless uncompassionate ass than my solic. I have nothing more to say on that matter - because it was a mere bullshit remark to her






That would also be considered harrassment.






*ding*



 



OH....so that wasn't to hock a product, it was just 'to be a bitch'.



 



Seriously, can you ever just admit that you're trying to get over for your own benefit?  Do you always make this many excuses when people tell you to stuff your 'products' and 'business'?



....because seriously...if all you have to offer is "oh, my product will fix "THAT"....find another community.

Jodi - posted on 11/07/2009

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Quoting Veronica:

Zero dollars, Jenn.



And is that because you only get dollars when the person who joined up as your "downline" sells product too?  Because that's really how these things work.



 



So let's be open an honest while we are on the topic.  I never responded asking for the extra info.  What is your business?  Why not tell us right here now?  I'm curious.... I strongly suspect its one of those ones where you only make decent money if you recruit (and hey, you're making even better money for your uplines), but why not divulge your secrets given you are so defensive about what you are doing?

Veronica - posted on 11/07/2009

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aaaaahhhhh---- ok i get it with the email etc. -- i get it. the product info. ok i get it. I brought it to public - because what i felt was helping others, obv. wasnt - and i did not see it as solicitation - i saw it as offering info - and giving them a way to contact me. okie dokie. thanks for pointing out the errors of my way.

~Jennifer - posted on 11/07/2009

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So, Vern, how much money do you get when someone joins up?

...since we're being open and honest and all that....

Jodi - posted on 11/07/2009

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Quoting Jenn:

........and what did Sharon ask that she got the same PM too?



Yeah, lets get Sharon to tell it like it is from her perspective.  Watch this space......

Veronica - posted on 11/07/2009

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Sharon has nothing to do with anything -- she's always being a bitch to me - so i was dickin around with her --- she made a comment about not finding a job that would work with her school hours -- all i said was two words; market america - so said no - i said why -- big bad veronica again i guess -- i was in a piss poor mood at the time - and she is the same way with me right back - go through some of the posts from a few months back - and other posts with her - im sure there are more complaints about her heartless uncompassionate ass than my solic. I have nothing more to say on that matter - because it was a mere bullshit remark to her

Charlie - posted on 11/07/2009

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I am sorry but is it that you really do not understand , or have you been brainwashed to believe what you are trying to justify your solicitations with ?

The rules are VERY , VERY simple and clear you can be as sneaky as you want about or twist your wording to try and make it sound innocent BUT not everyone is stupid , people can see right through this , YES there is a major difference between suggesting a brand or shop and flogging your own wears YOU have a invested interest in your business weather it works or not someone suggesting a product does not .

As for freedom of speech , well that just depends on where you live this is an international site where different countries follow different laws would it be fair to say ONLY countries who have this law can solicit , SPAM , advertise all they want everyone else can keep quiet .

Jodi - posted on 11/07/2009

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***deep breath***



Veronica,



No one is saying you can't ask advice and recommend products. But adding to that advice, etc, your email address, your website and saying 'contact me and I'll hook you up' is solicitation.



Contacting that person directly and adding your website and telling them the benefits of the product YOU sell is solicitation.



An email giving a business spiel because someone MENTIONED they'd like to work at home, or they do work at home or they hate the hours they work, or they have this struggle or that struggle financially, or would like a break, is solicitation.



You cannot tell me that the PM I posted is the only one that has been an unsolicited SPAM email that you have sent. The only reason I posted that was because you decided to take public what I tried to keep private in sending you a warning.



As Loureen said, it is sneaky....



You are evidently upset. You brought it public. Now live with it.

Veronica - posted on 11/07/2009

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oh - can i say Sorry for trying help. Isnt that was COM is about? Helping? Advice - things that are working for us to help those that have nothing working for them? WTH?

Veronica - posted on 11/07/2009

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No Jenn -- I didnt' see it like that. Im fresh out on my game here. Ok. I don't know much about rules, laws, etc. I don't have perfect people skills like everyone else.



All i know is, i feel (like EVERONE else) that I have some good things to offer -- besides my business - I have offered advice and added to discussions many many times without involving my business or products.



So - I read Jodi's reply -- and yes, I see that it wasn't something she asked for-- i get it -- i already know the long hours, and the $$ and the time that goes out in a business -- but i dont' have that in this one - and that is why i felt like asking her if she'd be interested in that. I guess the part that I FUCKED up on - was actually offering it - before she answered my origiinal question - was her bus. options opened. Alright, i get it. I got it.



As for the advertising speal -- there is a such thing called FREEDOM OF SPEECH and WORD OF MOUTH. You can offer a lady to use Butt Paste for her kids' ass - but i can't offer aloe gel - because i sell it?? maybe no one should be able to say anything about any products at all on here. Meleleuca girls offer their shit, and so do avon and marykay -- whats different?? Tell me that one -

Jodi - posted on 11/07/2009

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Oh, BTW folks, from memory, that particular thread she is referring to was a question about whether you a the Pursuer or Pursuee of sex in your household. I can't remember exactly, but my response was probably somewhere along the lines of "it depends because of the cycles of our business. Sometimes neither of us are interested because we are too tired with our businesses" and somewhere in there I mentioned working at home. Believe me, I didn't ask for information about any businesses, I just bitched about having no time sometimes trying to juggle the ones we have.

Amie, thank you for that definition.

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Quoting Veronica:

how is asking if someones business options were open,, and if they were interested in information about a business opp. -- solicitation? I wasn't forcing anything - i was simply asking - trying to say i can understand how you feel, i felt the same way, here is what im doing about it now -- i dont understand....



it's SPAM. 



You're sending messages to people that don't ask for them,ask for any info, or have ever asked you for any info.  You're using the member list in the forum to get names to send messages to.  You're not trying to start a conversation, you're trying to collect a comission.



That's soliciting.



 



If you prefer SPAMMING, well, there's rules against that too.



 



Or maybe I should use your e-mail address to sign you up for a bunch of websites that just 'want to show you a business opp.......but really, they won't force you to 'join'



 



Gimme a break....please tell me that you can comprehend this and aren't just playing dumb because you didn't get the answers you wanted.  I'd so much rather believe that you were smarter than that.

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Although Jodi's PM is clearly an opportunity to advertise your business .
An unwanted solicitation AND this isn't the only unwanted solicitation sent by you .


"I'd like to offer you information on a business that not only give you financial freedom, but more importantly TIME freedom."

Hmm couldn't be more clear .

Veronica - posted on 11/07/2009

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how is asking if someones business options were open,, and if they were interested in information about a business opp. -- solicitation? I wasn't forcing anything - i was simply asking - trying to say i can understand how you feel, i felt the same way, here is what im doing about it now -- i dont understand....

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Quoting Veronica:

what mass private messages?? this is new to me.



well, I see that question has been answered, so........

Veronica - posted on 11/07/2009

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How is this inappropriate? I want an honest and legit answer. And i wasn't aware this was a public room - i thought it was private for members only.

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Veronica, could you please take this out of the public forum. I find this inappropriate.

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