Another breastfeeding mother kicked out of store...

Joanna - posted on 01/09/2011 ( 173 moms have responded )

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http://ca.news.yahoo.com/nurse-planned-m...

MONTREAL - Supporters are rallying behind a Montreal mother who was asked to stop breastfeeding her five-month old baby in the play area of a downtown children's store.

Shannon Smith was shopping at a store called Orchestra this week when her infant got hungry, so she began to nurse him in a semi-secluded seating area for kids.

A store clerk approached soon afterward, Smith said, instructing her and another mother who was breastfeeding nearby to stop.

Smith told the clerk she had a right to breastfeed in the store, and asked to speak with a supervisor. She got the same answer.

Smith said she complied with the request and left the store soon afterward, but grew more angry about the incident upon reflection.

"It's shocking to me that in 2011, people still have an attitude that women shouldn't breastfeed in public," Smith said in an interview Saturday.

"I think it's absurd, especially in a children's clothing store."

Smith's blog post about the incident has spread quickly online, and supporters are planning to stage a nurse-in at the store later this month.

An employee reached at the store Saturday referred calls about the incident to the company's Montreal head office, which did not return a request for comment.

Only Ontario and British Columbia specifically detail the rights of breastfeeding feeding mothers, though Quebec and other provinces have human rights charters that protect women from discrimination on the basis of sex.

In Quebec, the charter has been used successfully to argue for the women's right to breastfeed.

Smith said she has written the company to complain, and is hoping it responds with a policy allowing breastfeeding.

Last month, Alberta's provincial art gallery scrapped its ban on breastfeeding after an Edmonton mother complained that she was told to leave an exhibit room because food and drink weren't allowed around the artwork.

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The worst part to me were the comments... People saying "do it in private, there are children present," obviously don't want their children to know what that body part is really for. People saying "bring a bottle" obviously don't know that some picky babies (like mine) won't take a bottle. And don't get me started to the people comparing it to taking a crap.

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Amanda - posted on 01/13/2011

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Sorry Im a tad late on this topic, but I been trying to figure out how someone can compare public smoking to public breastfeeding.



"Just like I believe that all non-smokers have the right to breathe clean air when going to a public restaurant, I believe that people have a right to not see a naked boob if they don't want to."



Are you kidding me? How can you compare these things as the same thing?? Smoking in public resturants endangers everyones health in the resturant. So how does a tiny bit of boob endanger your health?



It is this kind of ignorance and close mindedness, that has kept woman from breastfeeding for many generations. Thank god the world is changing slowly but surely.

Jennifer - posted on 01/10/2011

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the more women that nurse in public, uncovered and confident, the more normal it becomes. if its normal to breastfeed in public, then you won't have the issue of those "attention seekers." problem solved. telling women that they ought to take it to a private place just makes the problem worse...its backwards logic.

Krista - posted on 01/10/2011

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The more stories I see/hear, the clearer it becomes that SOME women just want their 15 minutes of fame for causing a stir at some public place.

Sigh.

Christina, did it ever occur to you that maybe these women go public not for fame, but because they figure that for every woman who DOES speak up, there were probably 5 who didn't? And that they figure that if they DON'T speak up, nothing will ever change, and people will still go around thinking that it's acceptable to tell a woman to feed her baby while sitting on the shitter?

Sometimes you do have to make a bit of a spectacle of yourself in order to effect some much-needed societal change.

Bonnie - posted on 01/13/2011

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They have a right to stare and/or be offended. They don't have a right to fuss or make negative comments IMO.

Minnie - posted on 01/13/2011

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Well, you truly can't have 100% bacteria free bottles anyways, if you're using powdered formula. That in itself isn't sterile.

But aren't we supposed to be talking about breastfeeding mothers getting kicked out of stores? Maybe I'm missing the tangent...

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Minnie - posted on 01/17/2011

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Pretty much anything- it just takes a bit of practice to finagle your breast to baby's mouth. Sometimes a rolled cloth to prop your breast to baby's mouth height helps.

I really loved using a mei tai when my daughter was that young. We used ring slings on occasion, and I can nurse in anything, but the ring slings hurt my neck. Wraps work well too, but I personally don't like five yards of fabric to work with.

My mother impulse bought me the Ergo when my daughter turned 12 months and we're still using it, but not as often, at 27 months.

Pretty soon nursing will be a ton easier in a carrier because they get old enough to find your boob themselves.

Krista - posted on 01/15/2011

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Gad, considering that I used the clutch hold, nursing while walking would have been VERY picturesque. Good on you for perfecting the art though, Lisa!

Joanna - posted on 01/15/2011

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I'm jealous of anyone who can nurse walking or wearing baby. I'm not that coordinated, I would fear for my Childs safety, as I tend to trip on my feet.

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this is at the bottle feeding thingy. a friend of mine use to feed her kid formula but she never heated it. if the kid will take it at room tempature then thers no need to heat.

Rosie - posted on 01/15/2011

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yeah bottle feeding isn't all that hard, it was pretty damn easy for me compared to breastfeeding, lol! i don't sterilize, or use boiled water, there's no need to unless i have a well, which i don't. just got water from drinking fountain and put a couple scoops in and shook it. the only "hard" part is washing the bottles, lol. i hate to wash my dinner plates though too...:)

Minnie - posted on 01/15/2011

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See, I nurse while I'm walking. I never have to find a place while I'm out to sit.

Bonnie - posted on 01/15/2011

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Sherri, my husband and I did the exact same thing with our second son (he was mostly bottle fed). We prepared the formula with boiling water in the bottles just before we were about to leave and then it was basically the perfect temperature when it was time for feeding.
Most places won't even warm up bottles for parents because they don't want to be held responsible for making them too hot and possibly burning a child.

Jenn - posted on 01/15/2011

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Yeah, I don't think it's OK to just sit and chill in a chair at a furniture store - breastfeeding or not. It's for sale, not for your sitting pleasure. I can remember being at the mall when my son got hungry, so I went and sat at the food court to feed him because that's where there were lots of chairs.

Joanna - posted on 01/15/2011

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That article brought one good point though... If I saw spit up on merchandise I would leave the store. That isn't Just about Breastfeeding though, that's saying don't feed your kids, or just don't have any food, on a stores merchandise. If she'd found a bench or something not for sale, id see no problem.





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Stifler's - posted on 01/15/2011

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What a load of crap man. Articles like this are the reason people think breastfeeding is whack or not normal.

Johnny - posted on 01/15/2011

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http://www.vancouversun.com/story_print....

Argh! Think people. That shit between your ears has a purpose. Her argument is completely idiotic. The author's only legitimate suggestion, breastfeed in your running car, is pretty much defeated by the fact that it is illegal in the City of Vancouver to allow your car to idle. She'd get a hefty fine breastfeeding in her car while trying to keep warm in sub zero temperatures. When will the prudery end and when will babies be allowed to eat in peace. Who cares about the moms? What about the little babies?

Isobel - posted on 01/14/2011

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I see women bfing here every day...without cover. This whole argument seems bizarre to me.

Mrs. - posted on 01/14/2011

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Yeah, I only sterilized until 6 months, if I was out I would put boiling water in it at home and put it in my diaper bag (which has one of those bottle insulated lining pockets) for later. It was usually warm enough. After that, I'd just go to a Starbucks (or some other coffee place) as for a cup of boiling hot water and mix with some bottled water to cool. Easy peasy. That or I'd mix formula before and stick the bottle in a cup full of hot water. Then again, if a faucet ran really hot, last resort, I'd just use the warm tap water with formula....after 6 months.

Sherri - posted on 01/14/2011

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I never heated their bottles in public their is no need Emma. Before I left I would just fill the bottle with the hottest water possible and throw it in the bag. It was warm when I needed to feed all formula was already premeasured. All I did was throw the formula in the bottle shake it and done deal.

I never worried about bacteria, never worried about heating bottles. I just packed the diaper bag just like everyone else and out the door I went. Bottle feeding is truly no harder than bf'ing unless you make it be.

Minnie - posted on 01/14/2011

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So I took the girls to the mall playground today and I thought you all might like to know that I saw another mother breastfeeding- and not covered up!

In southern NH.

Stifler's - posted on 01/14/2011

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I was talking about breastfeeding being easier in public. Bottle feeding you have to worry about bacteria and putting the formula in a thing and the right temperature etc. Not all places have bottle heaters and stuff right on hand.

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IT IS CRAZY FOR ANYONE TO OBJECT/STOP AN INFANT FOR BEING FED!!!!
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THEM!!!!

Jenn - posted on 01/14/2011

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OK - off topic of the original post - but I also don't see how bottles would be easier. My boobs are always ready and at the perfect temperature, they travel quite well, so did my babies. If I went somewhere, they came with me, and it didn't bother me one bit or make me feel "tied down". I have nursed my son while walking down the street with him in the front carrier, and I also EBF my twins while I had a toddler running around, so it's very possible to do. As for the bottle propping, I don't know why someone would want to miss out on that bonding time - I loved looking at my babies while they were eating and rubbing their heads and just feeling them. Those bottle prop contraptions are illegal in Canada I think. Anyway - back to the topic at hand. ;)

Bonnie - posted on 01/14/2011

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I did both; breast feeding and bottle feeding and although bottle feedings have their moments, I found that overall, bottle feedings took less time. More milk comes out of a bottle faster than a boob IMO.

Krista - posted on 01/14/2011

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Everybody's got their own comfort level with how much they show, really. There are some moms out there who are more modest about things, and there are some who are a bit more matter-of-fact about it.

Personally, I think it's awful that so many women are being pressured to nurse using a cover. Some babies just hate them, and when you think about it, it can't be much fun eating while you have a blanket over your head, breathing in all that stale air. So if a woman wants to nurse without a cover, she should have every right to do so without people harassing her about it.

That being said, on a personal level, I never felt comfortable nursing in front of anybody except my husband. I have big ol' boobs, and nursing discreetly was downright impossible, I found. So nursing in front of others was just too uncomfortable for me. But that was me. I would NEVER presume to say that because I was so shy about it, that everybody else should be.

Sherri - posted on 01/14/2011

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Becky if I was in a mother's room I would still use a cover too actually would never bf in public without one. Why? Simply because I am extremely modest and would never bf in public if I couldn't not be 100% assured I was covered. At home was one thing, public another.

Becky - posted on 01/13/2011

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ROFLMAO at the mental images of Lisa standing on a table flapping her boobs around and Carol refridgerating hers!
Jennifer L, I noticed that when I've been down in the US too (midwest and Seattle). I have been the only person I've seen bfing in public. And that includes being in malls, Walmart, family restaurants... Here, it's very common, although I will say that most women I see use a cover. In fact, a lot of them even use a cover in the mother's room, which I now find kind of odd.
The only time I can remember seeing full-on boobage while bfing in public is when we were out shopping for baby stuff before Cole was born. We were in a kids' store and there were a couple of women in there walking around with their boobs just hanging out while they fed their babies. At the time, not having children yet, I was a bit taken aback, although not offended. Now I'd think nothing of it, other than to be impressed that they could walk around and nurse (without a carrier), because I've never perfected that skill. If I have a 3rd, I am determined to master the art of nursing in a carrier! With 2 toddlers/preschoolers, I'm going to need my hands free as much as possible!
And I'm with those who really can't fathom how bottles could be easier.

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My mom bf me, but used carnation and corn syrup with the others....no nutrition whatsoever



She had issues with BF me because of others feeling uncomfortable. She said people are much more accepting of it now then when she was BFing. So even though its still looked down upon sometimes, we are heading in the right direction.

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A child is suppose to have no bacteria in their bottles. It needs to be 100% clean(the bottle). Thats why you get BPA free bottles. I can see what your saying though. BPA free is a recent thing. When your kids were young all bottles were made with BPA.





side note microwaves suck///LOL

Johnny - posted on 01/13/2011

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Why sterilize?

Most health experts agree that sterilizing bottles, nipples, equipment and water used for formula is important until your baby is four or five months of age. This allows him time to develop some tolerance for the bacteria which could otherwise be present in his milk bottle. Of course, cleanliness of his feeding equipment is always essential.

Dishwashers and microwaves are not suitable for sterilizing equipment. The water temperature in a dishwasher is not high enough to kill bacteria, while the problem with microwaves is uneven heating.

To properly sterilize, feeding equipment should be washed in hot, soapy water and rinsed well. Then all items should be placed in a large pot with a lid, covered with water, and boiled for at least five minutes. Your maternity hospital or public health department can give you detailed instructions on proper sterilization.


http://www.todaysparent.com/baby/article...

Although, here, since the BPA information has come to light, you can not buy or sell plastic baby bottles with contain BPA and glass is encouraged.

Sherri - posted on 01/13/2011

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Carol I do understand it isn't recommended. However, we all do things as mothers to survive. Sometimes we do it perfectly but most of the times we do as best we can. Having a 1 yr old and newborn and working full time I assure you I did what I needed to just to survive and keep my sanity most days. Did I do it all by the book most days I assure you I didn't but somehow we all survived.

Sherri - posted on 01/13/2011

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No you don't as long as they are sterilized the first time when they are first purchased is as good as they need. Because sterilizing them breaks down the plastic causing even more BPA.

Cleaning and sterilizing

Bottles, nipples, pacifiers, breast shields, pump tubing and containers should be sterilized before first use. After that, washing with hot soapy water or the top shelf of the dishwasher should be sufficient. Avoid sterilizing in the microwave or frequent use of boiling water since both will speed the breakdown of the plastic.

http://www.healthychild.com/protect-your...

Johnny - posted on 01/13/2011

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I think here the recommendation on sterilizing was actually 3 months, although I'm sure it varies.

Johnny - posted on 01/13/2011

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It does not matter what is used to prop the bottle, the act of propping what is dangerous. I realize this was quite a while ago for you Sherri, but I would not want anyone to read this and think that it is a good idea. We all live and learn, right?

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you didnt sterilize bottles.....did they not tell you that at the hospital before you left?Your suppose to sterilize bottles until they are a year old..

Sherri - posted on 01/13/2011

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I never sterilized bottles, never heated formula just used warm tap water and threw in some powder took less than 20secs and possibly 30secs to wash a bottle so in total. To make a bottle and wash a bottle a whole minute.

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bottle feeding is more time consuming, wash bottles, sterilize them, mix the formula, heat the formula feed baby and repeat. it may take 10mins or so extra to BF, but your saving a lot of time if you leave out all of what your not doing when bottle feeding. I just pop out a boob. They didn't know even 5 years ago propping a bottle was as unsafe as it is. It was common practice until recently.

Sherri - posted on 01/13/2011

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I never used a bottle propper I used a blanket. Carol all my kids are much older now so it really is irrelevant anyways. My oldest is 14yrs old. plus by the time they were 4mo's they all held their own bottles and fed themselves.

Johnny - posted on 01/13/2011

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Well, I would never ever consider propping a bottle in my life. We have major public service messages here warning against the dangers and our public health nurses have been trying to ban the import of those bottle proppers because of the choking risks they pose. So that was not a "convenience" I ever would have availed myself of when I was bottle feeding.

Please see page 3:

http://www.fns.usda.gov/tn/resources/fee...

Sherri - posted on 01/13/2011

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I never used slings, carriers or any of those things didn't like them and wasn't comfortable with them. I only nursed for 3 1/2 mo's till I went back to work full time anyways so really it is irrelevant. I am just saying in my life bottles were far easier then bf'ing. I would never have bf past around 4mo's anyways. Once they had teeth I would have been done.

Minnie - posted on 01/13/2011

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Wraps, slings, mei tais, podaegis, etc. How mothers all over the globe and throughout human history have chased toddlers with nursing babes.

Sherri - posted on 01/13/2011

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I propped their bottles when they were very young and by 4mo's they were holding their own so it was certainly easier. I don't know how you run around with a baby attached to you and chase a toddler I couldn't do it. All my kids when they nursed took a minimum of 20mins-30mins.

Minnie - posted on 01/13/2011

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I was never tied down for upteen times a day for 20mins to 1/2 hr while they were eating like you have to nursing.



Not all babies nurse like this. My daughter spent much of her time in a carrier on me and while she nursed frequently (and still does- well, by US standards, anyway) it was only five minutes or so to begin with and has decreased from there. It doesn't inconvenience me any more than giving my children a hug or tending to them in other ways. I've never felt like I had to be tied to a couch. Babies are portable.

Johnny - posted on 01/13/2011

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You can walk around and stuff while nursing. I've seen my friends chasing their toddlers all the time while nursing their little ones. It takes a bit of practice, but it's easier to deal with a kid with one hand than none. I'm not sure about anyone else, but I needed 2 arms to bottle feed and just one arm to breastfeed. I typed on the computer, read books, cleaned things all while nursing. And when I put her in the carrier and nursed, I had both hands free.

Johnny - posted on 01/13/2011

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Actually, my husband was able to get my daughter latched on for me so I didn't have to wake up in the night. He'd pick her up, bring her over, latch her on, watch some tv, and put her back when she fell asleep. Personally, I wasn't "going out for the day" alone when my child was that young so it isn't something that ever inconvenienced me. And she did get bottles, so if I was out, she took them. I know my husband didn't find them more convenient either. But then he's a bit of a crazy lactivist.

Sherri - posted on 01/13/2011

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I just would add the bottles to the rest of the dishes really not any harder than washing a glass. I would quickly rinse it as soon as they were done so I only ever had 1 or 2 dirty bottles in the sink in an entire day. Also I would turn on the water from the tap and then through in some powder. By four months they could hold their own bottles so I would just hand it too them and do what I need to do. I was never tied down for upteen times a day for 20mins to 1/2 hr while they were eating like you have to nursing. Also my first two are only a yr apart. I had another baby to take care of it was horrible to have to nurse all the time while trying to take care of another baby running around. Also in public my first baby wasn't content just sitting for 20mins while his brother nursed it was an enormous inconvenience. I also found it quite difficult in the winter if we were out and having to try and nurse with multiple layers on coat, sweater & shirt etc.



Also Carol I never sterilized their bottles only when they were new and other than that never again.



Also for the first 3 1/2 mo's I could never leave EVER if I didn't take my son with me because I was nursing and honestly he was Satan in a babies form. I would have loved a break from him, but couldn't have one.

Kate CP - posted on 01/13/2011

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Pumping is a pain because you have to wash the pump, wash the bottles, label bags, make sure they're laying flat if you freeze them, warm them correctly...yea. I like my tits better. :P

Kate CP - posted on 01/13/2011

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I did both, too (pumped for when I had to work) and bottles are a bitch. :P

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