"Artistic Lisence?????""

Desiree - posted on 04/20/2011 ( 26 moms have responded )

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When is "Artisitic Lisence" Just that or when has it stepped over all the conforms of decency and insults people? When is it time for us to turn around to an Artist or Celeb that enough is quite enough and who do yo think you are?
I have just read an article in one of our papers here about the wording "Lady(and I use the term very loosely) Gaga has used in one of her latest songs. firstly the Song is called Judas and that in itself doesn't really bug me too much. But really the some of it refers directly to what a number of us hold as a sacered book about a time which for many Christians is the holiest tim of the year.
" When he comes to me, I am ready. I'll Wash his feet with my hair if he needs. Forgive him when his tongue lies through his brain, even after three times he betrays me"
Addin fuel to the fire Lady Gaga is set to portray Mary Magdalene (Mary of Magdala) in the music video.
If this was any other religion there would have been al out war. Yes the bible might not be accurate, and many people don't believe any more or never have that is thier choice. But does that give Lady Gaga or anyone else that right.
Exactly when should people be told they there just one minute? or does decency and manners only apply to the man/woman in the street?

On a Personal level, being a Christian myself all I can think of is who the hell is the woman and yes I do take offence because its wrong and I would feel the same for any other group.

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Krista - posted on 04/20/2011

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And that's the thing -- basically, freedom of speech means that you are LEGALLY allowed to say what you wish. So you can't be prosecuted.

It does not mean that there will be NO repercussions to what you say.

If I call my boss an asshole, and he fires me, that's his right. My freedom of speech does not protect me from being fired. If I say something ignorant, and someone else calls me out on my bullshit and tears me a new one, my freedom of speech does not protect me from criticism.

That is what makes this different from the Charlie Sheen example you mentioned. They're legally allowed to fire him for what he said. And Lady Gaga's label would be legally allowed to drop her for that song, if they so wished.

But she still has the RIGHT to say what she did. She could go and form her own label and sing the most religiously offensive songs ever written, and while nobody has to buy her records, and no radio stations have to play her songs, she would still have the legal right to that speech and cannot be prosecuted or legally made to shut up.

Krista - posted on 04/20/2011

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Exactly. Like Cathy said, it's Madonna, redux. She's deliberately trying to get people talking and hey look - it's working!

Would there be a difference if she had used words like kill, mame or dismember?

Depends on where you are. Freedom of speech laws vary by country. In the U.S., they're pretty freewheeling. South Africa's laws are looser than Canada's, but both countries do not protect free speech that publicly incites hatred against others based on colour, race, religion, etc.

So yes, if she was deliberately and clearly inciting hatred, that would be different. But she didn't use those words, so I don't even know why you brought them up.

An artist is not responsible for how other people react to his or her art. They express themselves, and it is up to each individual to react or ignore.

Besides, if you read the lyrics, they're obviously metaphorical. She's singing about loving Mr. Wrong, how she SHOULD love a good guy, but instead loves this bad man who betrays her and hurts her. It's pretty standard pop stuff -- she just used biblical imagery to illustrate it.

Amanda - posted on 04/20/2011

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Theres a huge difference between freedom of speech and slander (which charlie sheen did). Spitting off hate, and singing about a religion are also two way different things.

I do find it funny that people are offended by this song, but not by Lady gags "disco stick", or her giving birth to many strange things in Born this way. Oh hell how about Telephone, where she posions and kills a whole resturant all because he treated her girlfriend badly. Nevermind the meat dress she wore to an awards show.

Lady Gaga did her job with this song, she got us all talking about it! And like my grandfather use to say, dont worry when people are talking about you, worry when they stop talking about you.

Johnny - posted on 04/20/2011

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I've got to agree with the freedom of speech ladies. I do not believe that religion should be receiving any special treatment or be respected any more than anything else. You put out ideas, you need to prepare to have them criticized, critiqued and even ridiculed. It may not be "polite" but it is absolutely her right. As Krista rightly asked, "who is the arbiter...?" We all have equal opportunity to offend and be offended. We should be thankful that we will not be jailed or killed for speaking our minds about whatever we want.

It is really one of my pet peeves when I hear people say that no one should speak negatively about Christianity because we are so blessed to have freedom of speech and if we were in a Muslim country we'd be killed for saying the same thing about the Koran. You rarely hear a more asinine and backwards argument!

Krista - posted on 04/20/2011

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Ah, but WHO is the arbiter of how far is too far? If she is not actively inciting violence towards a particular group, then all that she is doing is hurting peoples' feelings.

And call me crazy, but my guess is that most Christians aren't really all that worried about Lady Gaga's opinion to begin with. So why should she be worried about hurting their feelings?

And you've completely lost me with your last comment about "criticizing someone of importance" and being called a dead beat....I honestly don't know what the heck you're talking about, there.

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April - posted on 04/20/2011

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I've always thought Lady Gaga was weird (understatement), everything she does is to get talked about, be splashed around the media and thats just how it is, she's doing this to be controversial (like Madonna). When people get sick of her (which they will) she'll change her attitude and you'll see a much calmer Gaga, she's doing this for attention, that's her job. Let her say what she wants, just don't listen. If she wants to be disrespectful to the christian religion then thats her choice but she may lose a lot of fans because of it.

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There's a great feature on the TV remote control that says OFF. If there's something on that you don't like, turn it off! Change the channel. Don't dwell on it. There are SO MANY offensive things out there on TV/radio that I just turn the channel.

Emily - posted on 04/20/2011

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The only reason Lady Gag-Me is anyone at all is because people buy her music. If they were offended, they wouldn't buy it. If you are offended, then don't buy it, and don't let your kids listen to it. It's that simple.

For what it's worth, I can't stand people like that. But then I am disgusted with the way all celebrities are worshipped in this society, whether they are "offensive" or not. If you are a Christian, then this is your opportunity to open your eyes and realize how much the world is divided; how we are not supposed to be a part of this world, because it is against Christ.

Tend to your own heart, and those of your family, and let the world do its own thing.

ME - posted on 04/20/2011

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Also...there is really no such thing as "too much freedom of speech" (unless you are calling people to immediate violence against a specific person or group)...and I don't see that as being the case here...

ME - posted on 04/20/2011

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I can't stand lady gaga, but I couldn't care less what she chooses to sing about...I'm a Roman Catholic...If a person's faith is so weak that a ridiculous pop song can cause them doubts or emotional upset...I think there are greater problems then some song lyrics...

Mrs. - posted on 04/20/2011

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At least Lady Gaga writes her own music and is a musician.

I'm more offended by artists who don't than by her doing her version of Just Like a Prayer.

Just saying.

BTW, if you don't want to support the sentiment of the song - don't talk about it. That's what these artists want, to be talked about.

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Would you be this upset if it was a song about the Greek pantheon or does that no matter because so few people believe in it now? I see no reason to afford religion any extra respect than any other philosophy.

Stifler's - posted on 04/20/2011

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Lady Gaga... bahahaha. My husband seriously thinks she will stick around. I say she is a Madonna wannabe and sooner or later people will get sick of her antics. She ONLY does things to be controversial and it's just quite sad. As for freedom of speech, I agree with the others on they have the right to say things but people also have the right to uproar about it.

Desiree - posted on 04/20/2011

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I don't make a rule of listening to her stuff, I listen to classical music, but because I have a preteen from time to time I listen so that I can hear whats on the market and how to handle things that are bound to come up, never mind the some uncomfortable questions I have had to field lately, I see I need to make a bigger effort to listen to stuff more. As to Maddona didn't like her stuff growing up, don't like it now either. Maybe I am just too conservative in certain ways but thats ok thats why its called a discussion or debate.

Desiree - posted on 04/20/2011

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I suppose so when you look it like that, but we all know there will be no repurcussions there rarely are. Would there be a difference if she had used words like kill, mame or dismember? This is a topic very close to home not just because of something Lady Gaga has said but because we have a politician facing trial for hate speach. And he is screaming Freedom of Speech and The song in question was sung during a very troubled time? So does that make it any more right? where does the one right start and another end?

Desiree - posted on 04/20/2011

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Sorry i just missinterepted something:-) Shouldn't be doing 2 things at once. See I am still at the office well for the next 15 minutes anyway. its 4.15 here. Again sorry I just misread someones post while doing something else.



Edit; Don't feel to bad, I have to live with Julius Malema so i do understand.

Jenni - posted on 04/20/2011

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Desiree- they're an extremist religious group that preach crude hate messages against abortionists, gays (or as they call them 'fags') and their government. Am I leaving anyone else out that they hate? probably.



I don't think we're fighting with you Desiree and we are telling you how we see it. ;) Who's mudslinging? We are all just saying that freedom of speech overrides anyone feeling offended. It's the necessary evil in being given the liberty ourselves.

The example I gave you was me emphasizing with you feeling offended. I am offended by the messages of that particular group. I wish I could silence them but I wouldn't want to jeporadize my own rights to freedom of speech.

Desiree - posted on 04/20/2011

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Jennifer I don't even know who that is. I live in South Africa, and we are a very conservative country and it has caused a massive uproar here, I am just very curious how everyone else see it. I know its a personal thing.I am not trying to cause a fight I just want to see what we as society think is enough and were do we draw a line or everything fair game. A fair debate is what I am intrested in not mud slinging. and actually the person who came to mind was Charlie Sheen he voiced his opion and got fired for his efforts, Ok it was on National TV, but it still was Freedom of Speech, so what makes that any different.

Jenni - posted on 04/20/2011

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If I had my way God Hates America would be silenced for their hate and biogtry inciting speech. But it is a necessary evil to allow them their rights to freedom of speech to protect mine. If I don't like it or I'm offended I won't visit their website.

Nikki - posted on 04/20/2011

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I am with the other ladies, freedom of speech. It doesn't personally bother me, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. If we decided to pick pop stars to pieces for their choice of lyrics which may offend a certain group we would be here all day long.

Desiree - posted on 04/20/2011

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I am not saying no one is intitled to thier opionions. I am asking when is enough enough and when does someone overstep the mark. Her timing could not have been worse or could it not have been more perfect. I have always said that woman is one smart cookie. I don't like the woman, then again there are number of artists i don't like at all. I have no problem with people and freedom of speech but there comes a time when too much freedom and no responsibility goes just that step to far. I sometimes think a little bit of respect is best. It's not about being religious, its about respect and over doing things. Isn't it interesting though how many people scream freedom of speech yet when someone critises someone of importance he is hung out to dry and everyone screams "dead beat". how can one be more different from the other?

Tara - posted on 04/20/2011

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Freedom of speech.
If the speechifying is about something that offends a certain group of people, than no it's not too much and no they shouldn't be told to tone it down etc.
Just cause someone sings against or makes a mockery of a religious institution or book etc and thereby offends members of that religion etc. does not mean they have gone too far. Religious people should really stop taking offense to other people poking at their religion of choice. You have a right to be religious, everyone else has a right to have an opinion on religion and religious texts.
And not one should have the ability to silence the other.

Jenni - posted on 04/20/2011

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Freedom of speech. You want to start restricting that and you're opening up a can of worms. Just because you hold something sacred doesn't mean it should be law that everyone else needs to as well. Didn't we learn that from the Danish cartoonist?

Religion is not exempt from ridicule and dispute. Why would the religious deserve more rights than the rest of us?
So if I held "Kitchen Soup for the Soul" sacred and lived by it as my religious text. No one should be allowed to make fun of passages from it or disrespect its teachings, right?

I do not agree with laws being passed to protect religious sensitivity. So people should be jailed or fined for speaking out against religious context or ridiculing it or do you just suggest we duct tape public figures? How about no one is allowed to make fun of ANYONE's beliefs or even question them. Sounds a bit East Germany to me.

Krista - posted on 04/20/2011

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I agree with Amanda.

If this was any other religion there would have been al out war.

Most western societies protect freedom of speech. That is what sets us above those countries who suppress any speech that criticizes their state religion.

Lady Gaga, or any other citizen, has the right to sing about, talk about, mock or criticize whatever they damn well please. Does that make it polite? No, but if singers only sang about what was polite, and shied away from controversial topics, what kind of world would we live in?

When John Lennon wrote "Imagine", he got death threats, for having the temerity to imagine a world with no religion.

Which sort of proved his point, didn't it?

Amanda - posted on 04/20/2011

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Freedom of speech, freedom of religion, really has nothing to do with artistic licence at all. Lady Gaga has the right to sing about anything she wants, as well has the right to say anything she wants about any religion. Just as you have those same rights. There are 6 billion people in the world, you cant expect everyone of them to never offend you.

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