Asylum seekers

Charlie - posted on 11/02/2009 ( 12 moms have responded )

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Australia is bombarded with asylum seekers boats each year , in 2001 — 43 boats full of 5,516 asylum seekers arrived and each year the number of boats increases .
We face a hard decision when these boats are caught off our coast line let them in and risk opening up the floodgates to tens of thousands of refugees when our own natural resources eg: water are barely enough for the people of our own country or put them in detention centers where refugees regularly threaten to suicide , hunger strike and worse still involve their children in their attempts to get the government to let them in through guilt of blood on their hands if choose not too let them in .


I personally feel for these people i understand the hardship they are coming from , i know the terrible things they threaten are out of desperation BUT i also understand that our country that seems so large and vast only has a small amount livable area with resources to its own people few we are in drought , have barely any water ( i was staying in a town where the water was brown from shallow dams ) while 10 thousand refugees in a year will only make a tiny impact in ten years time 100,000 refugees who buy then will have had more children will make a large impact .

I am torn on the issue , i want safety for these people but without putting more strain on our already under pressure ( environmentally ) country .

What are your opinions, let them in or find other avenues to deal with the asylum seekers ?

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Kylie - posted on 11/02/2009

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I think our government needs to make it easier for legitimate refugees to apply for refuge here. I reckon they need to setup offices in Indonesian and sri lanka , and provide safe houses while background checks are done and those who pass the checks with the legitimate need to come here, can fly here. We have room and resources, our population is going to grow anyway and so we need to work on ways of living more sustainable for the future (wind and solar power, desalination plants etc) ..We are a rich country and should do our bit to help by taking more young refugees and giving them the change to get educated and become productive in society
Its not right that these "boat people" are trying to get in illegally and effectively jumping the que but they must be so desperate. The only way to stop the people smuggling and illegal immigrants is to process them over there..let them know they are being heard and they can get help if they go about it the right way.

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Jodi - posted on 11/05/2009

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Yes I wonder about that too Loureen. Especially given when this first cropped up, they had one of the young girls speaking for them because they didn't know English. They know EXACTLY what they are doing, and I think this has deliberately been planned.

Charlie - posted on 11/05/2009

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Quoting Jodi:

Well, I heard this morning that they were offered that if they return to Indonesia, they will be processed and settled in either Australia or another country within 12 months, and they refused. I'm sorry, I'm not really feeling that sorry for them now. The government has promised to process them within 12 months, as long as they do it through the legal channels (noting, of course, that often this can take years), and they are still pulling this stand-off stuff?? They will now have no choice but to take them to Christmas Island, which is already crowded.


yeah Jodi we are doing all we can for them even though they are jumping the cue and they just disregard it like nothing or worse its not good enough PLUS why does the main refugee have  perfect English and a British accent .



 



Also the concern is that no one knows their backgrounds they could be terrorists for all we know that is why it is important they go through the right avenues so we can do a thorough background check , that way we can invite them into the country give them safe haven while knowing our own people are safe from threat too !

Jodi - posted on 11/05/2009

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Ha ha Laura. No, Christmas Island is actually a refugee processing centre, LOL :) Some Christmas huh? Santa is the Australian government saying "yes, you can come and live in Australia now"!!!

I think there is an Easter Island somewhere too.....imagine the chocolate...or is it just over-run with rabbits???

Isobel - posted on 11/05/2009

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Christmas Island!?!?!? I wanna live on Christmas Island!...wait...is that the one with all the broken toys? sorry I just couldn't resist.

We have our fair share of Boat People here as well, I do have genuine empathy for their plight...it seems fairly regularly brothels are being shut down, here in Toronto with slaves that have to "work off" their passage to Canada. I always try to imagine how bad their lives must be where they are from that this type of "indentured servitude" seems like a reasonable alternative.

Jodi - posted on 11/05/2009

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Well, I heard this morning that they were offered that if they return to Indonesia, they will be processed and settled in either Australia or another country within 12 months, and they refused. I'm sorry, I'm not really feeling that sorry for them now. The government has promised to process them within 12 months, as long as they do it through the legal channels (noting, of course, that often this can take years), and they are still pulling this stand-off stuff?? They will now have no choice but to take them to Christmas Island, which is already crowded.

Ez - posted on 11/04/2009

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Quoting Diana:

A lot of people traveling that way don't have the money-they swear to work it off, either in the country they're moving to or by leaving someone to work (and as insurance) at home. Here they're often called coyotes-and they will kidnap and kill those who don't pay find a way to pay them.



Yeah I completely agree that the people-smugglers are the real villains here. In our case, they operate out of Asia, the Middle East, and specifically Indonesia (which is where they board the boats).

Jenny - posted on 11/04/2009

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I think borders should we done away with all together. I hate that I cannot go to any part of the planet I want to because of imaginary lines on a map. There should be freedom of movement for ALL humans. I think we would spread out a little more evenly if that were the case.

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A lot of people traveling that way don't have the money-they swear to work it off, either in the country they're moving to or by leaving someone to work (and as insurance) at home. Here they're often called coyotes-and they will kidnap and kill those who don't pay find a way to pay them.



I think there should be some easier legal avenue for these people to get our help. I don't think they should have to stay in a place where they're being hurt-and I hope that if my country was ever doing the things that some of these places are, that someone would give me asylum.

Ez - posted on 11/04/2009

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I'm torn on this issue as well. Part of me feels unbelievable sympathy for someone who is willing to pay all that money and risk the journey on wild seas in a leaking boat in the bid to achieve safety and opportunity. BUT the other part of me wonders if these people - the ones who have tens of thousands of dollars to pay to the people-smugglers - are really the ones in most desperate need of help. I would suggest there are many more asylum-seekers who don't have anywhere near the money needed to take this illegal avenue. And that's what gets irritating when you see an interview with a Pakistani asylum-seeker on a seized boat in Indonesia who is threatening a hunger strike - he has perfect English, speaks with a British accent, and is completely comfortable talking to the media. I'm sorry but I fail to see how he (as an example) is a legitimate refugee.

Charlie - posted on 11/03/2009

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We are now growing by 75,000 people every year, 1500 every week, over 200 every day. This is pushing up housing prices and making housing unaffordable for the young, putting pressure on scarce water supplies, leading to water restrictions and water price hikes, increasing traffic congestion and increasing our carbon emissions.

Accepting galloping population increase as inevitable or even desirable, and encouraging urban sprawl, will lead to a more polluted, congested and unsustainable Australia .

I think we need tighter control on the people coming into the country i dont think we should accept illegal immigrants or be threatened or pushed into accepting them its unfair on those who go through the process of doing things properly and make it harder for those who are willing to enter legally , i also think while accepting legal immigrants to an extent Australia needs to work on its own environmental issues at hand we DONT have enough resources that is very clear on my travels around Australia a year and a half a go when quiet a few towns had brown water in their taps , nearly mud one towns water restrictions were so tight they were only allowed water every two days NO JOKE , they had water trucked in .

We have people who cant wash , their stock are dying of drought they have zero dollars , we may be " rich " towards the coastline but even those areas are affected by water restrictions go a few hours inland and its a very different view .

And problems like that is what makes majority of Australia unlivable its why those areas are mostly empty with little population , sure we could send the illegal immigrants to live in the vast outback but there would be no water for them , no way of making money , we would taking them in from one poverty and setting them up in a new poverty its not fair on them and its not fair on our country environmentally .

Sharon - posted on 11/02/2009

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We have the same issues - sort of - Its sad but they have to go back.

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