Australian vs. American Gun Laws

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I know gun laws are discussed here often, everyone might be tired of them, but I think they are improtant discussions.

Recently, a young Australian Baseball player on scholarship to the US was shot in the back by 3 teens simply because, according to the teens, they had a gun and nothing better to do. "We were going to kill somebody that day, and he was there." said one of them.

Americans constantly say that "more guns in the hands of the people leads to less gun crime/death." which is quite honestly the stupidest "logic" I've ever heard. It completely ignores the statistics from every other country that prove otherwise, and I think this case finally forces the people preaching this rhetoric to really look at the laws and statistics from these other countries who are much more successful than we are here in the US at controlling gun violence.
Right now, every first world country that has strict and enforced gun laws has lower gun related crime rates than those who do not have strict gun control laws.

As Mr. Fischer (Former Deputy Prime Minister of Australia) points out, Australia has had ZERO mass shootings since their new gun laws were put in place in 1997. In the US, we lose 80 people per day to gun violence, we lose more than TWICE as many people every single day to gun violence as Australia lost that one day (the shooter in Australia killed 35 people). It is like a mass shooting every day, except the people aren't all together in one place, and instead of one shooter to prosecute we have 80 different people with guns killing people each day.

How can people seriously think nothing should be done?

I understand that Americans will not give up their precious murder weapons--they have been too easy to get for too long, so criminals who will not hand them in have too many for regular citizens to feel safe without them-- and I'm not even calling for an all out ban on them, but we DO need better control.

Thus far, I haven't heard anything about how the teens obtained the gun they used, but I do know that they were teens, so either the 18 year old purchased it legally and gave it to the younger two, it was stolen, or it was purchased on the black market. Having less guns in circulation would not only make it more difficult to steal a gun, but it would also drive up prices on black market guns to put them out of reach for all but the most serious criminals. It would also free up our resources to focus on stopping the black market, which currently goes almost completely ignored because our resources are too tied up with crime committed by legally purchased guns. Stricter purchasing and ownership laws would take some of those irresponsibly held guns out of circulation, and would make it more difficult for criminals and young people to purchase them.

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Kristi - posted on 08/23/2013

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I was watching the coverage on Antionette Tuff, the school book keeper in Georgia who talked that mentally ill gunman down, tonight on Anderson Cooper and Piers Morgan and on Piers he said there are 300 MILLION guns in circulation in the US right now. An article by Gunfaq says that number rises by 10 MILLION A YEAR.

http://www.gunfaq.org/2013/03/how-many-g...

That's incredibly out of control. My question is, do you think it is already to the point of no return? Our population is 313.9 million people...that includes infants and children.

This link shows many facts and figures about guns in the US. One of which, gun ownership per 100 people is 101.05. Another, AK-47 style assault weapons, used in all the most recent mass shootings, goes for $500.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region...

I've asked the same question you have, Jodi about keeping an unloaded gun for protection locked up with the ammo locked up separately...do those people really think they have that kind of time during a home invasion?

Obama seems to be on everybody's shit list so they vote against anything he proposes just because he proposes it. Since the right to bear arms is our 2nd Amendment right, people are going to fight tooth and nail if he tries to change it. It just seems so hopeless.

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I agree with you that gun laws are ridiculous in the US. More people having guns doesn't make anyone safer, it makes everyone less safe. I was on the news a guy pulled a gun on someone because they asked him not to speed through their neighborhood where their children were playing. Things like that shouldn't happen. There will always be people who use guns irresponsibly and who obtain them illegally, but if guns were made harder and more expensive to obtain the level of gun violence would likely decrease.

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I've never understood that either, Jodi. We have had 9 children die this year alone because they were allowed to play with a loaded gun kept in the home for "protection". Those are only the cases that made national or local news. There were two here in my county that never made national news, I'm sure there were others in other smaller towns and counties that never made the news. Statistics won't be out until late next year, but I'm sure there are many.

This week, there was a sniper shooting at bicyclists riding along a paved bike trail that runs past my office building. The path was created to be a safe place for people to walk, bicycle, run, or skate away from traffic. They have not identified the shooter(s) yet. Last week, a man walking the trail was shot in the head. They haven't found that shooter either, but they do not believe the incidents are related. I'd rather take my chances with the traffic!

If people were required to register their guns, ballistic reports could match the recovered bullets and shell casings to the serial number of the gun, then use the database to locate the owner. Even if the owner is not the shooter, it's a big lead. If the gun was stolen, there will be a report, there will be links to crime within that area. It's a small change, I don't understand why our citizens are so hesitant to do so.

I know you are in Australia. I am so very sorry for what happened to your young citizen here. I don't blame your country for calling for a boycott of the US....in fact, I think all countries should. Perhaps the economic fall out from a boycott will be the pivotal point that makes our politicians wake up.

I used to be proud to live here--proud of a country that lets someone like me go from homeless to millionaire without breaking a law, where people can be whatever they want to be, and do whatever they want to do, but it's gone too far now. There have to be better, stricter laws to protect us. What good is success if you are killed?

Jodi - posted on 08/22/2013

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I must say, I have nothing to add here Kelly, because I am totally with you. Nothing to debate :)

Although I will add that I have never understood leaving a loaded gun around the house that is easily accessible enough to protect against intruders. And if it isn't loaded, how is it protecting you? No-one has ever quite answered that question for me. Guns have no business being permanently loaded in the family home.

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