Autism/vaccine link but a different spin on it

Nikki - posted on 05/14/2011 ( 29 moms have responded )

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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20...

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=1...

There's a new woman in town trying to claim the link between vaccines and autism are real, have a look at the above articles if you wish to read a little more.

My question is if one day reputable scientific and government institutions found a link to autism from vaccines, would you still get your child vaccinated? even if the risk was very small? Which is the worse of the two evils, our children dying of preventable diseases or risking our children getting autism?

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Jocelyn - posted on 05/16/2011

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Hmm lets see...a child with autism or a dead/horrendously disfigured child?

Seems like an easy choice for me.

My son is high functioning autistic, and he is a wonderful, smart, funny child. He's perfect just the way he is.

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Agreed! My son is autistic but hubby and I still plan on getting our daughter vaccinated, I like the grasping at straws comment because it is so true. I'm the same mom that wouldn't feed my son a cookie because it had yellow dye number six or whatever and 'they say it can cause autism' he ended up having one because he swapped with my friend's baby and I've been saying since the diagnosis 'oh it must have been that damn cookie!' It wasn't if the way he is now is autistic then he was autistic from the get go there was no magical change after a cookie or a needle or anything, he's the same today as he was when he was born I don't doubt that at all.

Anyway at the end of the day I would rather cope with an autistic child than bury one, just saying. Nothing against those who choose not to vaccinate that is completely your choice and you have your own reasons for doing so, but for me and my family, where we live, etc. it just does not make any sense not to vaccinate, I'm a better safe than sorry type of person so yes we vaccinate.

Jen - posted on 05/16/2011

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It would appear we are all in agreement. But as the mom of a child with autism I would like to add two points to the discussion: for some children -- girls with autism primarily -- there has been shown causation relative to the schedule of vaccines and mitochondrial disease. Not the vaccines themselves or any preservative, and not in most cases. But the schedule itself can exacerbate the problem if your child has mitochondrial disease.

Second point: it is NOT a personal decision that effects only the family making the choice not to vaccinate. We're talking about very real and serious public health risks as a result of families refusing to vaccinate their children.

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@Jennifer. Ah but people by and large HATE EVIDENCE. They want to keep their theory and then force the evidence to suit their desires. They don't realize that the real world doesn't work that way. I get very heated in vaccination conversations, I know I do but it drives me crazy. Why not stop your child from becoming ill?

I recently tried to get my son Gardisil. I'm very upset because no place carries it for boys around here. I even tried Planned Parenthood but they don't give it kids under 16. I'm really upset. I certainly hope my son chooses not to have sex but now I have to worry because I can't get him the vaccine.

And again - VACCINES SAVE LIVES!

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Becky - posted on 05/17/2011

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I know that raising a child with Autism is not easy and I have tremendous respect for the parents who are doing it. But I'd still rather have a child with autism than a dead child. So yes, I'd still vaccinate.

Nikki - posted on 05/16/2011

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I don't think many anti vaxxers are game to comment on DM any more Dana!

Nikki - posted on 05/16/2011

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Thanks Jennifer but I can't take credit for the second link that was Jodi's work, I just stole it from another thread!

Jayce - posted on 05/16/2011

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Yes, I would still vaccinate. I'd rather a child that was alive than one that died from a preventable disease.

Frances - posted on 05/16/2011

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Here is what really may be behind the rise in autism rates: http://www.midwiferytoday.com/articles/u... I have an autistic brother. He is actually more handicapped than someone in a wheelchair. At least someone in a wheelchair can lead a fairly normal life. They can learn to drive a specially equipped car, they can get married, they can have a job, they can communicate with people. My brother cannot do any of those things. At least he can feed and dress himself and he is potty trained. He only understands about 20 words.
If vaccines were known to have risks, I think I would delay them for several years. My kids all had some immunities from breast milk for a while.

Mechelle - posted on 05/16/2011

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Yes, I would still get my children vaccinated. When my grandmother was very young, she had polio. She's never known what it is to run or walk. She has to use a walker/wheelchair. The vaccines prevent diseases like polio, and I would rather my children have a very small risk of autism than a life threatening disease.

Christina - posted on 05/16/2011

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I have two children with autism. And I vaccinate. Even after my 8yr old daughter was diagnosed, I still chose to vaccinate. I would rather have autistic kids than dead kids, or kids severely handicapped because of diseases.

Jen - posted on 05/16/2011

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@Kate -- that's how I feel about Jenny McCarthy. Not to mention that British doctor who tried to make millions by creating this vaccine scare.

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I'd like to hear from an anti-vaxxer......what do THEY think about this??



*shouts into a megaphone* CALLING ALL ANTI-VAXXERS?!!!

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Of course the last person that linked it was proven to falsify documentation so lets pop up with someone else that says the same thing just in different words.

Alright, here's the deal. Either your child will or won't have autism. Sometimes autism is never noticed it is so light and other times it is very evident. I would never consider NOT having my children vaccinated. I would rather vaccinate than have my child die from one of those "treatable diseases" that still kill more than people realize. Anyone can die from chicken pox and especially children. Same with measles, mumps, etc.
But hey, your more worried about how your child "might" become autistic you automatically assume that chicken pox, mumps, etc. won't KILL your child.

Go ahead. Don't get your child vaccinated. When they are constantly sick, or end up in the hospital for one of those many diseases you COULD have prevented you can safely say, "At least we avoided the POSSIBILTY of autism, IF it is connected to the vaccination that could have stopped this." I pray for you that don't vaccinate. I pray that you never have to think the above sentence as you watch your child die from something you could have prevented with a vaccinine.


hate me all you want but the above is the truth and you are all idiots if you get pissy over it. :)-

Jenn - posted on 05/16/2011

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Sadly, no matter how many studies are done or research finds...ther will always be those who insist vaccines cause autism "injury". My sister is one of them. She is extremely intelligent with two Master's degrees and founder/ director of a school for children with autism. We have to avoid the vaccine and autism debate altogether or it gets ugly. She will forever believe the parents who insist vaccines caused their child's autism and it baffles me!

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I'm pro-vaccinating but I can't really demand that other moms vaccinate their kids that doesn't feel right to me. I'd flip if because of other people I HAD to do anything with regard to my child so when it comes to vaccinating who am I to say that someone elses child get a needle stuck in them if the mother is opposed. I know personally that autism is the lesser of two issues (autism or potential death) but maybe for someone else they feel differently, thats fine live and let live but my kid is getting vaccinated so when your kid passes some sickness to mine, mine has a chance to fight it off. Vaccines don't mean that your kid wont catch anything either it just introduces their body to whatever bacteria or sickness so that if they ever do come into contact with it again they'll have a better chance at fighting it off. Worth it in my eyes, not worth it to others, either way though these illnesses are still out there and my children may or may not catch them same with their kids, I'm just in favour of doing what I can to prevent what I can. Can't rid the world of chicken pox or the flu but I can do my best to keep it from doing my kids in.

Amber - posted on 05/16/2011

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"'Even if human DNA were then found in vaccines, it does not mean that they cause autism.' Ratajczak agrees that nobody has proven DNA causes autism; but argues nobody has shown the opposite, and scientifically, the case is still open."

So, basically her argument is 'until you prove otherwise I'll argue it, regardless of evidence'? That's really scientific......

Of course I'll keep getting my child and future children vaccinated. I'd much rather have them living than suffering through preventable diseases and potentially dying. Autism isn't deadly...diseases we vaccinate for are.

Amanda - posted on 05/16/2011

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I agree, last time I checked autism isnt a possible death sentence. So I wouldnt change my views on protecting my children against things that can kill them.

Rosie - posted on 05/15/2011

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i'd rather have my children have autism than dead or dying. until someone can actually PROVE not just hypothesise that something causes autism, instead of just using the whole well since this happened autism rates went up excuse, i won't believe it. correlation doesn't prove causation like the second article says.

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There is no link between vaccines and autism. But playing the 'let's pretend' game, YES I would absolutely get my child vaccinated because VACCINES SAVE LIVES. Anyone who doesn't look at how so many diseases were stopped completely such as small pox and how that only came about after mass innoculations is willfully ignorant.

I guess your real question should be this: which is worse? Your child having autism or your child being dead?

Jenni - posted on 05/15/2011

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Grasping at straws.



She just has a bunch of theories, void of evidence. Ok, so it's not thermisol.... it's human DNA causing autism! It's Krista's "Pink Bunny" Metaphor.



But in the meantime.... while the CDC has to trudge on back to the drawing board... for another 5-10 year study. Society can deal with the aftermath of vaccine fear-mongering based on no scietific evidence just a theory. Because most of society doesn't understand the difference. Antivacs will take this as the "I told you so!!!". Any string of hope is enough to stroke egos and fuel self-gratification in anti vaccers.



It makes me wonder. When theories come out about chemicals, additives etc in our everyday foods and products. Do we hear about them? Do they make national news? No!!!! Because they wait for a little something called 'evidence'. There are billions of dead theories out there that never make it past the drawing board.... funny how this one makes national news before it even hatches from its egg.



Dr. Brian Strom: "This is a review of theories. Science is based on facts. To draw conclusions on effects of an exposure on people, you need data on people. The data on people do not support that there is a relationship. As such, any speculation about an explanation for a (non-existing) relationship is irrelevant."

But I like how they make the point in the article of discrediting him by saying he didn't even know human DNA was in vaccines. *eye roll*



@Nikki Love the second link.... and that's exactly what this is... fear mongering pseudoscience and bias media propaganda.

Sneaky - posted on 05/15/2011

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Well I conceivably took a minor risk for convulsions and other rare side effects when I did have my children vaccinated. I don't think a risk of autism would make me change my mind. I'd still rather have them here than dead.

Mel - posted on 05/15/2011

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yes because I dont believe it, autism is caused when your baby is conceived

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