!!!Baby Formula Feeding!!! not so good??

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 07/25/2010 ( 36 moms have responded )

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Im currently BF my 4month old son, but with my now 7year old,. I stopped at 3months.because I never did research on baby formula, I just assumed that it was safe and good; I thought it was just as good as BM if not better. Now I do see why some women are against formula
I do believe people do what they can, or what they choose and so I want to know what you think of the links that I posted.


This link tells what is in Baby Formula
http://www.breastfeeding.com/all_about/a...

The Risks and Disadvantages of Formula Feeding
http://infant-toddler-health.suite101.co...

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Joanna - posted on 07/26/2010

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Just so everyone knows, I might not breastfeed this baby. Why? I don't think I want to. I'd rather ENJOY the first few months then be depressed as hell, because I hate breastfeeding, and not enjoy my children. So my boobs might produce milk, and it's MY choice what to do with them, and I'll probably just let them dry up. And I'll be happy, and my kids will still be happy, and it'll be win win. The fucking end.

LaCi - posted on 07/26/2010

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I'm glad people are looking at the nutrition labels, unfortunately, just because a list of ingredients is long does NOT mean it's bad.



Breaking down the ingredients:



1. Enzymatically hydrolyzed reduced minerals: minerals, partially broken down with enzymes, allows for easier digestion.



2. whey protein concentrate: Dairy Protein. Is not a "waste product" it's a BYproduct people consume whey protein all the time, it's a perfectly fine source of protein. Ask a body builder. "The use of whey protein as a source of amino acids and its effect on reducing the risks of diseases such as heart disease and cancer is the focus of ongoing research.[3] Whey is a source of branched chain amino acids (BCAAs) which are used to fuel working muscles and stimulate protein synthesis.[14] Whey contains high amounts of BCAAs.[15]. In particular, leucine plays a key role in initiating the transcription pathway that fires up protein synthesis.[16] When leucine is ingested in high amounts, such as with whey protein supplementation, there is greater stimulation of protein synthesis, which may speed recovery and adaptation to stress (exercise)[17]

Whey protein contains the amino acid cysteine which can be used to make glutathione. However, this amino acid is not essential for the synthesis of glutathione and some studies have suggested that the amount of cysteine in the diet may have little effect on glutathione synthesis.[18] However, another study suggested that large amounts of whey protein can increase cellular glutathione levels.[19] Glutathione is an antioxidant that defends the body against free radical damage and some toxins, and studies in animals have suggested that milk proteins might reduce the risk of cancer.[20]"



3. palm olein, soy, coconut, high-oleic safflower oils and soy lecithin: fats, HEALTHY fats to be more specific. Baby's need fat, so what the hell is the problem?



4. lactose, maltodextrin, inositol: Sugars, not harmful, inositol is almost flavorless and is produced by the human body, is just a carb.



5. potassium citrate, calcium phosphate, calcium chloride, potassium chloride, magnesium chloride, ferrous sulfate, zinc sulfate, copper sulfate, manganese sulfate, potassium iodide, choline bitartrate, sodium ascorbate, alpha tocophyeryl acetate, naicinamide, calcum pantothenate, riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, thiamine mononitrate, folic acid, phylloquinone, biotin, vitamin D3, vitamin B12, taurine, L-carnitine



^All vitamins, which I'm assuming you'd like your child to have.





6. mono and diglycerides- fatty acids. healthy.



7. salt

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@Sara B. It was a very subjective statement. The "need" for formula can mean many different things. One situation I did not mention was if a mother mentally cannot handle breastfeeding. Rather than torture herself and possibly resent her child, she should formula feed. There are tons of individual reasons for people to formula feed, even if they can produce milk.

But I wish there was more support and information available for women who can produce, but are struggling with breastfeeding for one reason or another. My sister-in-law, for example, is one that I believe didn't get the support she deserved. She desperately wanted to breastfeed, but is a very anal person. She was constantly worrying that her babies were not getting enough. She couldn't measure what they were getting. And her pediatrician (whom she swears by) didn't help. The ped was concerned that her babies didn't reach birth weight at 2 weeks. I mean it was just a couple of ounces off, and the babies were gaining weight. She was told to supplement with all three babies and so she completely gave up. My ped on the other hand, was not concerned about a couple of ounces. She was more concerned with the baby getting breastmilk. She told me that as long as the baby was growing, and not losing, she wasn't worried about a specific weight. It breaks my heart to think that more people COULD breastfeed, but don't for lack of support or information. That is what I meant by my statement.

Caitlin - posted on 07/26/2010

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Ashley - while I agree withg you that bottle feeding is fine, the statement "How could formula be that bad when they still sell it?" Is very questionable, they sell cigarettes, alcohol and high fat foods packed with trans fatty acids, so just because they sell it doesn't make it safe.

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We keep going over and over this. I'm a staunch advocate of breastfeeding, as you knbow, but I'm not going to tell others what to do, I don't have the right.
As a counsellor, I've seen many women who choose not to breastfeed, who are taking medications that will affect their babies, who have problems in maintaining their supply, who have family issues, who have mental or physical problems - the list goes on.

I certainly wouldn't say that all women should try breastfeeding - I don't think it would work. But I hope all women make an INFORMED decision as to whether they want to breastfeed, the best type of formula etc.

However, I'll never stop saying that breastmilk is superior to formula. And I'll encourage it if anyone asks. If people are upset about the promotion of breastmilk, have a look around you - everybody else is saying how good their product is: this car is better than that car, buy this food, this is better, that is better etc.

For those who want to read it, this is a more scholarly article with references. Unfortunately, it's very longand not recent (2002)

Another shorter one:
http://www.breastfeedingtas.org/resource...
http://www.linkagesproject.org/media/pub...

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Jane - posted on 07/28/2010

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I think there are a lot of good points. I'm an advocate for breastfeeding but there are some women that just can't, for a multitude of reasons.

The one thing that is interesting for me personally is the difference between my two children.

My daughter is 20, she was breastfed for only 8 weeks. I had to stop due to work related reason and she would not take a bottle of breastmilk. It was a horrible ordeal switching her from breast to bottle and when we finally put formula in the bottle, she took it so when we finally got her to drink from the bottle, we never went back. She was formula fed from that day forward.

My son is almost 17. He was breastfed for almost 9 months. He was very adaptable to drinking breastmilk from a bottle or from the breast...he was WHATEVER, as long as I get my milk. This made it so easy for me to go back to work, pump for bottles and nurse when I was home. He self weened...it was a dream situation.

My daughter has never had any health issues...she rarely got colds, flu's, no allergies,etc. My son, however, has severe asthma, when he gets the flu he has to be watched (even to this day) that he doesn't have respitory distress, he has allergies and I can guarantee that once a year, he will be severely ill with the flu...and this is WITH flu shots.

So, again, with my personal experience, it was the complete opposite of what the articles said.

I do, however, still say that breastfeeding is the best source of nutrition for babies...I just think it all depends on the kids.

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Thanks, Nicole. Yes, I get annoyed by the loud, judgemental ones. As well is displaying a lack of normal human decency and politeness, they are not helping "the cause." What people need to remember is that we're all mums; what we all want, bottom line, is the health and well-being of our kids.

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Kathy, I wish all people who promoted breast feeding were like you, but unfortunately due to the nature of people and our world, they are not.
I have come across people who berated a poor woman for not breast feeding even though she had several valid reasons (one of them being a form heart medication that was not good for baby).
The fact that there are several more unresearched articles out there about how formula is akin to poisoning our children also demonstrates that there are people out there who are willing to belittle and look down on those who choose to use formula when there should be more articles that help encourage people to stick with breast feeding (because it is hard) and more articles about the difference between formulas (because some people need that).

♏*PHOENIX*♏ - posted on 07/28/2010

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yep i agree with you jodi and with kathy............there is so much info, sum times you just get the wrong kind....and there is nuthing wrong with being set stright with the right or better info.....in a polite way, that is :-)

Jodi - posted on 07/28/2010

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I absolutely agree with you. That's why I had a problem with the article :) I've never seen you scaremongering Katy, and those articles you provided where much better resources!!

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The thing about the second link that Ebony provided is that it's not a scholarly article - it's a a paid-for contribution to Suite102.com, which has not received very good reviews. See, for example:
http://hubpages.com/hub/Suite101com-Revi...

It's not the type of site I would go to to find properly researched information. Those of us who promote breastfeeding are not in the business of scaremongering, as all claims need to be backed up. (That's the librarian in me coming out!)

Jodi - posted on 07/28/2010

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Kathy, I don't think anyone is upset about the promotion of breastfeeding. I think it is more the WAY they go about scaremongering in order to do so. The articles you supplied have provided information as breastfeeding decreases risks, whereas one of the links above talks about formula feeding increasing certain risk factors and pretty much saying you are poisoning your baby. They are two different things entirely. One is promotion, the other pure scaremongering with absolutely nothing to back it up.

Stifler's - posted on 07/27/2010

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When I switched to formula I got no advice from anyone about which formula. It was horrible and made the transition so much worse.

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Breast milk is great when your body is producing enough and the milk is good.
And face it breast feeding is not easy the first time round. And some children just don't take to it.
Formula is not quite equal to breast milk, but if you have to use it, there is nothing wrong with it.
The only time formula becomes an issue is when parents don't switch their child to a lesser calorie intake/milk when the child starts eating solids and table food (generally around a year). The doctor will generally let you know when to drop the formula.

And I agree the second link has no research cited to back up it's claims.
Scare mongering those who choose not to breast feed or belittling them into thinking they are bad mom's for choosing formula is unfair.

I breast fed for the first 10 months and then my milk failed. I am of the mind of give breast feeding a go and stick with it as long as it works for baby and you. If it doesn't work, then that's what formula is for.

Lea - posted on 07/27/2010

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I think the point Ebony was making is that shes disappointed that she was given the impression that formula is as good or better when that is false and she wants others to be informed the way she wishes she had been. Absolutely nothing wrong with that and thanks Ebony. :)

Tania - posted on 07/26/2010

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P-R-O-P-A-G-A-N-D-A.......UGH.

Ummmmm me breastfeed......Me type 1 diabetes

Anyway this will never end and I think others who have read my posts on bf know my views.
I also agree 100% with what Sharon posted.
Thank you

Stifler's - posted on 07/26/2010

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You know what, formula was invented for a reason wasn't it? I tried my hardest to breastfeed and it just didn't work. My breasts were never full or leaky and he didn't get any milk out of them or grow in 3 weeks. While I agree that formula is absolute shit and my kid probably has reflux because of it, at least he is alive!

Charlie - posted on 07/26/2010

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Ok i know a lot of people say that if you cant physically BF your child then its ok to formula feed but then they totally dismiss mothers who do not want to BF their child but can produce milk , i feel that if a woman really doesnt want to BF their child forcing them to do so can be mentally draining and can cause depression even resentment , why should the mental capabilities of a mother to BF be judged any different to physical abilities ?

Yes breast is best but formula is a perfectly acceptable substitute much better than the alternative which is starve to death .

Sharon - posted on 07/26/2010

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Oh jesus christ - I'm sick of this debate.

If you don't want to formula feed your kid don't. And when you're milk dries up prematurely, you need surgery, get sick or whatever, just let the kid die. Obviously thats the better thing for them.

Rosie - posted on 07/26/2010

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while breastfeeding is better, formula is not some horrible poison. and actually breastfeeding isn't all that better for the baby. have you actually read the studies that the AAP, and other health organizations have used to determine that breastfeeding is better? it's pretty much no difference for almost everything except for diarrhea, which is a bit higher in formula fed kids. read these, the second one is the actual studies:
http://stats.org/stories/breast_feed_nyt...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/bookshelf/br...

Meghan - posted on 07/26/2010

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If I hadn't of produce breast milk by the jug my next choice would be to feed my boy steak and potatoes....since that isn't an option, formula would have to do!

Tara - posted on 07/26/2010

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Breast is best. Formula was invented to save babies that couldn't otherwise receive any nutrition at all.

I believe every woman should try to breastfeed. I believe there should be way more support for women. I believe there should be way more education. I believe in the US that women should have the option of paid maternity leave (like us in Can.) so that they have the time to foster a healthy breastfeeding relationship.
I believe formula companies try to encourage formula feeding, and I think that's wrong.
I don't believe a lot of the claims on those sites as fact.
I don't believe that babies that are ff are going to be marred for life.
I was ff and although I wish my mom had more support to bf me, I think I'm A-Ok.
:)Tara

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I don't think anyone will dispute that breastmilk is wonderful but like the other ladies have already mentioned......formula is necessary in some cases and let's be real, it's the next best thing and needs to be recognized for what it is.....an alternative to breastmilk...that's it, that's all!



Do I think that women need to be aware of what's in formula? Absolutely. I believe in any situation we, as parents, need to weigh the pros and cons and decide what's best for OUR family. We need to make informed decisions. Do I wish more women would at least attempt to breastfeed? Sure, but formula is the only alternative so why do we need to make these mothers feel badly for feeding their babies?!

Sara - posted on 07/26/2010

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Some people have no choice but to use formula. It's not poison. Something tells me that if it was, then pediatricians wouldn't allow it's use.



"I have no problem with formula so long as it's truly needed to feed the baby."



Sara, I was totally agreeing with your post up until the above statement. When is formula feeding not truly needed? if a woman does not want to breast feed, even if she can produce milk, isn't formula needed? That statement just seems to contradict the spirit of the other comments you made before it. It shouldn't matter the reason why a woman feeds her infant formula, it's her choice whether she is capable or not.

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Breast is amazing, but unfortunately formula is necessary. There would be a lot of starving and dead babies without it. Some women can't produce, some have medical issues that prevent them from breastfeeding, some have to work in order to keep a roof over their kid's head and can't devote the time to it, and some babies are orphans.

I have no problem with formula so long as it's truly needed to feed the baby.

Krista - posted on 07/26/2010

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I just don't understand why people can't talk about how great breast milk is without needing to bash formula. Can they not just give everybody information on all of the wonderful properties of breast milk and nursing, and leave it at that? Instead, they just HAVE to take the opportunity to imply that we formula-feeding mothers are a) poisoning our babies and b) not bonding with our babies. Both of which are utter shite. Some of us mothers HAVE to formula-feed, and we don't particularly appreciate being constantly told how awful formula is.

Ashley - posted on 07/26/2010

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I am so glad to hear people are okay with formula feeding there babies. I also was formula fed as a baby, as were my brothers and we are all healthy. I have started weening my 8 month old to formula, and some posts on hear make me feel really guilty. But on the positive it is the right choice for my family. How could formula be that bad when they still sell it?

Tracey - posted on 07/26/2010

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I was bottle fed as a baby and I am perfectly healthy.
Does it really matter how a baby is fed as long as it gets enough food?

Sarah - posted on 07/26/2010

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I would just echo everything that Jodi and Cathy have said.
I bottle fed both my girls.
While I fully support breastfeeding, and it IS perfect for babies, I hate the way that bottle feeding is made out to be evil!

Luckily, I'm past the point of feeling bad or guilty about the choices I have made!

Jodi - posted on 07/25/2010

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Well, I'd like to see the research to back up half the claims in the second link......Unless there have been longitudinal studies done on most of the lists of risks in that article, they are taking stabs in the dark.



Cardiovascular disease? Seriously, most people don't develop this until they are well into middle age, so how the fuck can they claim THAT is fact? After all, formula's now are very different to formulas in the 60s. So few people develop cardiovascular disease at much younger ages unless there are many other lifestyle factors contributing, in which case, the breast vs. formula argument is a moot point.



Diabetes? Again, many lifestyle factors contribute to development of diabetes. Honestly, formula feeding a baby is the least of them and on its own has absolutely nothing to do with it.



So basically, my opinion is, scaremongering and grasping at straws. I can understand that they want to promote breastfeeding as the healthiest option, but why do they feel the need to use this tactic?

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