Bill O'Reilly on Christianity and extremists.

Tara - posted on 07/30/2011 ( 41 moms have responded )

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0:35 "no one who commits mass murder can call themselves a Christian...."

Hmm..... has anyone notified Mr. George Bush and all other presidents who have claimed to be Christian that they aren't really Christians at all? Not according to O'Reilly anyways.

The entire fucking United States was taken from the natives using the "Manifest Destiny" bullshit..

No Mr. O'Reilly Christians don't ever commit mass murders in the name of their religion... no that has never never happened in history....

Thoughts?

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Jenni - posted on 07/30/2011

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I'll echo Dyan.... I just spent some time on the COM FB page... (btw don't go there!) You would not believe the unprovoked comments towards the non-religious! Topics not even relating to religion whatsoever and there are Christians who will use it as a platform to stand on and put down anyone who doesn't follow their faith.

Apparently, 'we're' responsible for the whole world going to shit and are immoral, valueless, heathens who are to be blamed for all the atrocities in our society.

Absence of religion is the reason our society is crumbling because apparently us atheist believe we can do whatever we please with no consequences.

Not like the faithful, who never act immorally.

The general stigma non-believers of Christianity (not just athiests, I also assume Muslims, NeoPagans, Wiccans, etc.) experience is that we are looked down on from high horses, out to turn the world into a modern-day Sodom and Gamorrah, and responsible for all the murder, rape, theivery, prostitution. Or we are set out to tempt them away from Christ. We are their enemy.

I've heard Christians say they will not allow their children to go to their friend's house because their parents are atheists. We are satan worshipers and represent everything that is unholy on earth.

Quite a burden to carry.

And there are people out there who are clinging to Bill's every word and nodding their heads. When he spews islamaphobia with his talks of extremists Muslims. But when the tables are turned... and it's shown that there are followerers of the Christian faith who commit the same atrocities...

Now, I know you ladies are intelligent women so I wouldn't expect this sort of brash judgements and blanket statements from any of you. But I fear that these are feelings of the general public. Religion is often used as superior moral high ground to look down from on any individuals not in that group.

Rosie - posted on 07/30/2011

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lacye i think why you interpret everyone bashing on christians is cause to make people think about what they are doing to other religions or groups, we remind them that christians have done the same damn thing.



if there was a debate involving all the wonderful things some other religion does, people would undoubtedly bring up the good things christians have done.



however that's not what these debates are ever about. they are always about what horrid thing some other group does, and how it's because they are this certain religion. christianity needs to be brought down a couple of notches, and realize that people do horrid things in the name of christianity, or just horrid things in general and claim to be christians. just because you are a christian doesn't mean you (general you) are the best people in the world, and just because some people are islamic, or pagan or atheists etc. doesn't mean they are the worst. it needs to be pointed out from time to time.

Lady Heather - posted on 07/30/2011

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Lacye - I think the same could be said for EVERY religion and I'm pretty sure Muslims are getting the shortest end of that stick right now.



If Christians that kill aren't really Christians than Muslims that kill aren't really Muslims either. That's the problem with this idiot. He wants to have his religious cake and eat it too. How he wouldn't be able to see the double standard there, I don't know. I suppose it comes from lack of understanding of other religions. He probably pulls one quote out of the Qu'ran and uses it to show how evil Islam is but I could do the same thing with the Bible. It ain't all sunshine and roses in there either.

Iris - posted on 08/03/2011

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This might sound stupid.



But what I have gathered in my lifetime is that all higher power come from the same source. Only us people put our spin on it with all the religious books about what to do and how to behave.



We have crazies in most religions killing for the cause. This one happened to be a Christian and that doesn't make him any less terrorist than the ones in the 911 attack.



The bottom line. I consider myself somewhere between an atheist and agnostic. I wish I could believe in a higher power but it has become as corrupted to me as politics are, if not more.



If we could strip religion from our life but have moral rules? wouldn't we be better off? No one would be fighting for a "team"...

Krista - posted on 08/01/2011

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mr o'reilly clearly thinks christians, simply because of the fact that they are christians, are incapable of any wrong doing, and if they DO do wrong? well then they aren't REAL christians.

Pfft...that's a typical hallmark of zealotry. It's like a lot of those hard-right conservatives who insist that conservatism is perfect and cannot fail -- it can only be failed. Any flaws in the design are simply due to people who aren't TRUE conservatives.

Bill O'Reilly is right and he's wrong. If someone is really, truly, honestly striving to be Christ-like, then no, he wouldn't be committing murder.

BUT, can a murderer call himself a Christian? Sure. A murderer can call himself a baked potato if he wants. And that's the thing that galls so many Christians, I would wager. ANYBODY can call themselves a Christian. You don't need to take a course or attain certain credentials. And so yeah, you're going to get some pretty unsavoury characters who call themselves Christians.

Perhaps if Christian leaders were a bit more outspoken in decrying violence, we'd see a difference. But they seem to have kept fairly mum when it comes to condemning violent acts by one of their own.

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Karla - posted on 08/03/2011

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Becky "And this guy was actually quoted as saying he and others like him do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ." Please cite a reputable source for this claim, thanks. Here is what I read on the matter “While he is against setting up a Christian theocracy, he envisions a revival of Christendom, where the church helps unify Europeans around a shared cultural identity.” That’s from The Christian Science Monitor. http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Asia-Paci...



Becky "A Christian, by definition, is a follower of Christ. Anyone can call themselves a Christian, but if they are not following Christ, then it's just a name."



But no one can possibly follow Christ to the letter, so by that definition no one is Christian… that’s my extreme interpretation.



On a less extreme note, what if an individual believes themselves to be following Christ, but others like O’Reilly don’t agree? Am I to believe they are not Christian because Bill says so, or am I to believe they are Christian because they believe themselves to be and had dedicated their life to Christ? And are Christians allowed by God to determine if their fellow proclaimed believers are true to Christ or not? I thought that in itself was contrary to Christ’s teachings.



It’s not false to say Breivik believed himself to be Christian; it is false to say Christians do not sin.



I’ve heard plenty of stories about Christians who have killed family members, and everyone who knew them, believed they were Christian. Were they not Christian? Or do their actions indicate they were either extremely mislead and/or had a compromised mental capacity? I think it’s the latter.



The point is that O’Reilly stresses the religion when the terrorist is Muslim, but decides to discount it when the terrorist is Christian. For the record, Muslims also follow the teachings of Jesus as one of their prophets. I’m confused with Bill’s command to completely discount this aspect of the Breivik. Case in point: was it unimportant that Hitler was raised Catholic –- no, it was a minor detail in a twisted mind, but not unimportant – I think the same can be said about Breivik.

Jurnee - posted on 08/03/2011

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Many atrocities have been committed in the name of God and religion. Many people who claim to be religious do not live by their beliefs. I think organized religions are one of the most polarizing institutions on this earth. The perpetuate the myth of "us" and "them". I was raised Catholic, but I suppose I would best be described as agnostic. I think there may be some higher power, but whether or not there is, I choose to live my life and raise my family showing respect and kindness to all.

JuLeah - posted on 08/03/2011

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My Uncle says a true Christian is one who follows the teachings of Jesus. So, a true Chrisitan would not take a life in such a manner. A true Christian does not follow the teachings of their minister, or ride the current political wave, but follows only the teachings of Jesus and he was a nice fellow. So, true Chrisitians don't hate, don't kill, do honor all life, don't discriminate based on ...., do love their neighbors and so forth.



So, Mr. O'Reilly has a point.



My Uncle also says there are very very very few Chrisitans in the world.



But, in the name of Jesus and in the name of that religion .... great evil has been spread across the globe

Becky - posted on 08/03/2011

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Ahhh, trying to figure out how to word this so I don't get called an intolerant zealot! Maybe I should just stay out of this one, but I'm not going to. So, here goes... A Christian, by definition, is a follower of Christ. Anyone can call themselves a Christian, but if they are not following Christ, then it's just a name. Just like I can call myself a cow, but if I don't have 4 legs and chew my cud, I'm not one! Nowhere, that I can recall, does Christ (not the Bible, Christ himself) advocate mass murder, or murder of any sort. His words, "Love your enemy and pray for those who despitefully use you." Doesn't sound like advocating murder to me. So, a mass murderer is not a follower of Christ. He/she may be a church-goer, may believe in God, may believe in the Bible, but he/she is not a follower of Christ, because that is not something Christ would do, or condone.

And this guy was actually quoted as saying he and others like him do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.



Editted to add, I don't deny that many atrocities have been committed in the name of God and many other religions. Just saying, you can blame whoever/whatever you want for your evil actions, it does not mean that diety, or whatever you're blaming is actually to blame. You are to blame, period.

Krista - posted on 08/03/2011

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If we could strip religion from our life but have moral rules? wouldn't we be better off? No one would be fighting for a "team"...

That was definitely John Lennon's whole point when he wrote "and no religion too", in "Imagine".

And of course, he was roundly excoriated for having the temerity to suggest such a thing...

Sigh.

Iris - posted on 08/03/2011

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I also want to say that in no way is Bill talking for the whole USA. He is a narrow minded man, but has enough brains to know that he'll keep all his right wing viewers by making that statement....

Karla - posted on 08/02/2011

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O’Reilly is defensive because he cannot admit that someone of his same religion could behave this way. Wouldn’t it be interesting if he had covered the story in terms of mental illness, and extreme views and violent actions instead of his lame defense that Breivik could not have been “Christian?” O’Reilly’s treatment of this story is in stark contrast to how he covers Muslim terrorists; that is hypocritical.

Whenever any group of people has members or representatives or leaders that claim their group is the One an Only Right Group – above reproach, devoid of sin, (or in this case having all sins forgiven) – then, yeah, a little reality check is in order. We have a diverse world, and the more any one group thinks they are favored or above any or all others, the more we (as a whole) have a dangerous situation. (As witnessed with the extreme actions of Hitler.)

As Jennifer said Apparently, 'we're' {non-Christians] responsible for the whole world going to shit and are immoral, valueless, heathens who are to be blamed for all the atrocities in our society.
The point is *some* Christians are dehumanizing non-Christians, and this is the kind of assault that starts inhuman activity and wars.

We’re all on this ship together; disagreements are to be expected, but demonizing is destructive to all.

Krista - posted on 08/02/2011

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Yeah, I kind of left that unsaid, but figured someone here would pick up on it. ;)

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"Perhaps if Christian leaders were a bit more outspoken in decrying violence, we'd see a difference. But they seem to have kept fairly mum when it comes to condemning violent acts by one of their own."

The irony here is that when Muslim leaders do the same thing, they're told they're lockstep with terrorists.

Corinne - posted on 08/01/2011

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Hhhhhhmmmm....... I'm pretty sure there's a 'thou shall not kill' clause somewhere in all this. I would love to have a front row seat when these people are put in front of their dear and fuzzy lord, explaining 'but I did it in your name Guv!' This goes for all religions, they all have blood on their hands, so to speak.

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it's a sad fact that to many many many Christians, it's different when they do it. Either they discount that person as not really a Christian (ex. Hitler), they call the person mentally ill, or they say that it happened x amount of years ago so people just should get over it.

Leigha - posted on 08/01/2011

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Jennifer, I love you! hahaha. I like and agree with everything you have said. More people have died in the name of "God" (which ever that god may be) than for any other preventable reason!!! I can not stand the hypocrisy, self righteousness and judgement of religion. don't think religion has a damn thing to do with being a good person. I guarantee that my family are some of the most fundamentally GOOD people you will ever meet. They are patriots, humanitarians, environmentalists. They are open minded, accepting, loving, caring and selfless. We are atheists. At the end of the day, if we go to hell and the priest that rapes little boys goes to heaven because he asked for forgiveness then that is not a god I want any part of anyway. I believe there are good Christians, of course I do, but being a Christian (or Muslim, or Jew, or Hindu...) does not make you good or better any more than being an atheist (or someone of a different religion) makes you bad. I will not judge you if you do not judge me. Believe what is in your heart. You do not have to think like me just don't shove your beliefs down my throat. I would never, ever try and talk someone out of their religion so don't try to talk me into yours.
Did I just get way off topic?? haha.
WOULD THE REAL AND TRUE CHRISTIANS PLEASE STAND UP!

Dana - posted on 07/31/2011

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Jennifer Morse, I'm sure he'd just say that those aren't "true Christians" either...

Jennifer - posted on 07/31/2011

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HAHAHAHA!! Then I guess by his standards the Catholic Church can't be Considered 'Christian" either..... hasn't he ever heard of the Crusades??? LOL

Jenni - posted on 07/30/2011

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Exactly Carolee, these sort of judgements by followers of a religious group is often what turns us farther away from that particular group. They breed hate amongst the groups. This 'my beliefs are right and yours are wrong!!"

Comments like Bill's, attitudes like Bill's only drives into hatred/resentment/war against other groups over our beliefs. Denying our own transgressions while pointing the finger at others.

It's sad.

I relish in different belief systems and want nothing more than to educate myself on them and understand them better.

Jenni - posted on 07/30/2011

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I like to think of it this way; we're all human. No one group is morally superior to another. We all should be judged as individuals and not what group we associate/belong to. There are just as many 'good' Atheists as there are Christians, there are just as many 'good' Muslims as there are 'good' Wiccans... and just as many 'bad' in all groups. There will always be extremists the misrepresent each group.

But at the end of the day, we will all for the most part (as individuals) fall somewhere in the middle... or whether we're good or bad is subjective.

I just despise this "Us against Them" mentality these groups carry.

Carolee - posted on 07/30/2011

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I was told that I was going to go to Hell right after my baptism by my own grandmother and uncle. Why? Because I had chosen a non-denominational church. That had a LOT to do with me searching for more "peaceful" religions.

Charlie - posted on 07/30/2011

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Every religion has blood on their hands even Buddhism many would consider this the most peaceful religion ( or philosophy ) however their history has them working with Mongolian warlords from which they reaped many benefits.

My point is there are extremists in every religion it is naive or ignorant to presume that anyone is infalliable simply because they associate with a particular religion.

Jenni - posted on 07/30/2011

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Oh yes, and I can't count the number of times, I've been told I was going to hell or my children were going to hell, simply because I stated I don't believe in Christianity. Completely unprovoked.



I don't know, but to me... that's basically like the Christian "FU" for not believing what I do.

Rosie - posted on 07/30/2011

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true i didn't say "some" the first time, i often do that. i need to do better at it. although you will notice i said "some" the second post! :)



but i always DO mean some, i honestly don't believe when these types of christians condemn others they mean "some" they group them all in there together.

Carolee - posted on 07/30/2011

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If a majority of any group acts a certain way, it is normal for society to "group" them all together. The majority of "Christians" that I have come across have been... well... basically the exact opposite of what they proclaim to be. And that is only going by personal experience.

Dana - posted on 07/30/2011

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Dyan - I think your blanket statement of "christianity needs to be brought down a couple of notches", is unfair to all Christians. I think saying that, is just as bad as Christians condemning all atheists.

Lady Heather - posted on 07/30/2011

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People love the negative for some reason. Like I'm reading yet another story of a pit bull attack on CBC and in the comments section someone posted a link to some obscure website that had a story about a pit bull saving a woman's life in Ontario. That sure didn't make the cut for CBC.

Rosie - posted on 07/30/2011

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dana what i mean is that some christians have this way about them that they are above reproach. how many times have i or other atheists been told just on this forum alone that we were going to hell. just because they are christian and i or someone else is not.

just look around at the threads here-if you aren't christian you have little hell bent children, who disobey, get pregnant and murder everyone. mr o'reilly clearly thinks christians, simply because of the fact that they are christians, are incapable of any wrong doing, and if they DO do wrong? well then they aren't REAL christians. you don't think he needs to be taken down a couple notches?

Lacye - posted on 07/30/2011

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I'm not saying that there aren't other religions that are the same way, but even with those other religions, it's always the bad that over shines the good and to be honest, shouldn't it be the other way around. People shouldn't dwell on the negative instead of the positive.

Dana - posted on 07/30/2011

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Obviously Christians who don't understand that there are others who kill in the name of (false) Christianity, as well as Muslim extremists who do so in the (false) name of Islam need to come to terms with that, understand it and except it. BUT, I fail to see why "christianity needs to be brought down a couple of notches".

Dana - posted on 07/30/2011

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How stupid of him.
I'm sick of extremists on both sides of the religion debate.

Lacye - posted on 07/30/2011

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LOL Not all of the good ones are meek. Nobody wants to pay attention to the good things some Christians do and want to focus on all of the destruction the bad ones play a part in.

Jenni - posted on 07/30/2011

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I'm sure the same can be said about Muslims. Besides... good deeds aren't news worthy.

Lacye - posted on 07/30/2011

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Why is it the Christians that do the bad things are the ones that are always talked about but the Christians that try to be a positive role model and the ones that try to show that not all of them are crazy are the ones that get pushed to the back and lumped in with extremists. HHHmmmmmm........ Just doesn't make sense.

Jenni - posted on 07/30/2011

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or in current history......

I call BS as well.

Pot meet kettle.... comes to mind.

Love how they can call out Muslim extremists while burying the shit in their own backyard or ummm very laughably saying that this man doesn't represent Christianity.

While trying to stop mosques being built in America. And breeding Islamophobia.

mmmmmm I bet those religious persecution shoes feel nice, are they nice and snug Mr. O'Reilly? mmmmmm yessss....

Carolee - posted on 07/30/2011

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"Christians" have been a threat to everyone for centuries. Most people I have met who call themselves "Christian" shouldn't be able to do so.

I do like the other reporter (making fun of Bill).

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