Bill to ban Pit Bulls In Michigan

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Mary - posted on 06/10/2011

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I agree with a lot of you...the issue here is really about humans, and not dogs of any specific breed. Owners need to be held more accountable for the actions of their animals; the breed of dog should be irrelevant. In almost every account of dog bites/attacks seen in the news, it usually ends with the dog being put down. Funnily enough, it's never some wild stray dog that is attacking...the dog in question is almost always owned by someone. But what happens to them? Very little, if anything. And therein lies the root of the problem.

I own two dogs - both rescues. I can absolutely guarantee that there will never be a news story about them attacking any child. Not only are my dogs well-trained, but they are NEVER put in a situation where they could harm any child, including my own. I walk them a few miles, on a leash, every day. I have a fenced in yard, but they are never left out there unsupervised. I have a toddler, with whom they share a mutual lovefest, but they are never left alone with her (more for their protection than hers). They are loved, they are disciplined (but never, ever hit) and they are supervised...and I never forget what they are - they are dogs. Although I love them immensely, I trust them no more than I do my toddler to always do the "right" or safest thing.

Mary - posted on 06/10/2011

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Oh, dear God, not again....

Here's the GOOD news....The bill got shot down. A state house committee chairman has already refused to give the bill a hearing (as well he should).

Kate CP - posted on 06/10/2011

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If you don't want to read about it any more then tell the media to stop sensationalizing these stories. Tell people to use common sense when dealing with dogs. Support spay and neuter programs and get your animals fixed. Get your dogs professionally trained. Those will all help. There IS no one-button solution to this problem.

Lady Heather - posted on 06/10/2011

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Just for starters...
BAN PUPPY MILLS AND BACKYARD BREEDING. That's where all these loserfaces are getting their dogs from. Proper breeders and shelters are usually much pickier about who they sell to. There could be laws in place requiring all breeders to be registered and inspected. All breeders and shelters would have strict guidelines to follow when it came to finding homes for their pets.

It wouldn't be perfect, but frankly if you ban a breed, the yahoos will just pick another one to fuck up. That's what's always happened. Today's pitt bull is just yesterday's doberman.

Krista - posted on 06/10/2011

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@Dorotka.... go to this website. http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petbull/...

If you can spot the pitbull on your first click then I'll agree with you. However, most people don't even know what a pitbull ACTUALLY looks like. If the dog has a large head and smaller or squatter body, it's a pitbull. People need to get rid of the fear of these dogs. Every single one of them that I've EVER met that have had GOOD and RESPONSIBLE owners wouldn't hurt a fly.

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Jessi - posted on 06/12/2011

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Marina - just read your post of HUGE fines for unneutered pets without obtaining a license. i have to agree with that, there are too many backyard breeders out there. that would control the over populated shelters and poorly bred genetics that are hereditary.

Jessi - posted on 06/12/2011

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my belief is, it's not the dog. just like a child, it all lies on the upbringing.

Mary - posted on 06/11/2011

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No worries, Dorota. You just happened upon the one topic that is nearest and dearest to my heart. I didn't know much about pits, except for all of the negative crap you see on the news. They intimidated me a bit, until the guy I was dating (who is now my husband) adopted a 4 y/o pit mix from the shelter I volunteer at. I have never encountered such a loving, trusting, and eternally exuberant and optimistic dog. It started my love affair with pit bulls, and I have learned an enormous amount about the breed.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 06/10/2011

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It is a good debate Dorota, it was just a wicked heated debate recently....I think it is page 16 or so. I just checked.

Dorota - posted on 06/10/2011

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sorry guys, i'm new to the community and someone posted this article on their FB so I thought I'd share.... didn't realize it was the millionth time it was debated :S
But I really liked Mary's comment.... in the end it is totally up to the dog owner not to put their dog in a situation where the possibility of anyone getting hurt even exists....I don't think a dog no matter how great and loyal can ever be 100% trusted in the end it is just a dog.

Lacye - posted on 06/10/2011

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I don't usually get on these types of debates. but I felt like today, why not.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 06/10/2011

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I also identified it the first try, but this was not the first time I have seen this "test". It is on the pit threads most times we debate about it.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 06/10/2011

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I was simply telling JL why she may have had a difficult time identiflying the breed. Most people know pits with cropped ears and a cropped tail.

Lacye - posted on 06/10/2011

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I didn't even read the whole thing. It's not right to blame the dog because of it's past mistreatment. The entire breed of pit bulls have a bad rep because people have abused these dogs because they are good fighting dogs. It's horrible. Don't take it out on the breed. Take it out on the people that mistreat the breed!

~♥Little Miss - posted on 06/10/2011

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Krista, yeah, I think I realize that. Also, I realize that people pay big bucks to have the ears and tails cropped for that specific tough look, or for fighting purposes.

Krista - posted on 06/10/2011

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@Marina.... you DO realize that pitbulls don't ACTUALLY have pointy ears and that they're taped that way, right?

~♥Little Miss - posted on 06/10/2011

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Oh yes, much more stricter laws on who owns pets...but I think if the spaying and neutering with fines and licensing for those who want to breed was efficiently in place, that would help quite a bit.

Tasha - posted on 06/10/2011

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Well, dorota, im sick of reading stories of all kinds of tragedys as well, "bus driver brutally beaten", "family dies in drunk drving accident", i think that we have to realize there are just certain risks that exist and not try to control or ban things like dogs. We already have laws that govern how people do things, if your dog does something bad, youre held responsible, hopefully. We cant just start banning thigs that are potentially dangerous, we just need to educate people and hold them responsible. Ban stupidity!

~♥Little Miss - posted on 06/10/2011

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HUGE fines for those who own dogs not spayed and neutered without a license.


Also, the most unpredictable breed????? Chow-Chow...I have said it before and I will say it again. They are impossible to predict.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 06/10/2011

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I want all animals to need a license to be breed. I also think it should be law to get spayed/neutered by 6 months of age if you are not legally allowed to breed.

~♥Little Miss - posted on 06/10/2011

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JL, that is because they did not have it look like a standard pit...intentionally. It had long ears and long tail, also was not facing directly at the camera. It is a test just to say you never know.

Johnny - posted on 06/10/2011

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Stricter laws governing who can own a dog (such as bans on people whose previous animals have ever attacked or people who have ever been convicted of animal abuse). Better enforcement of leashing laws and education. Plus if one day people would garner commonsense and decency. But the number of people exposing children to dangerous animals, improperly stored firearms, driving around without carseats...... well, it's probably unlikely that people will stop being a problem.

Rosie - posted on 06/10/2011

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that's a good question dorota, lol. i wish i knew. i would say that people should be thoroughly screened before they can get a dog, but then there would be more underground dog breeders, breeding even more vicious dogs, imo. maybe it would be worth it to see how the results would be?

Dorota - posted on 06/10/2011

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Well then what ideas do you ladies have? I'm sick of reading in the news about dogs killing children or attacking people etc.... what do you think should be done???

Rosie - posted on 06/10/2011

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breed specific bans DO NOT WORK. no veterinary association is for breed specific bans for that reason. it is the owner of the pet that is responsible for how some of these dogs behave. pits bulls have a bad rap because they are known as vicious dogs, the stereotype follows them around, so therefore DIRTBAGS who want a vicious dog will get a pit and train it to be aggressive. take a lab wth the same owner and it will be the same way.
shitty people shouldn't be able to own dogs, period.

Johnny - posted on 06/10/2011

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The most unpredictable dog I've ever known was a cocker spaniel. Looked just like Lady from the movie, until you got to close and realized she was closely related to Cujo. Breed bans are pointless, useless, and cruel to animals.

Lady Heather - posted on 06/10/2011

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I am anti-breed ban no matter the breed. It just makes no sense and ends up penalizing good dogs and owners. We don't have breed bans here but we have separate rules for "dangerous dogs" and it's all based on breed. Restricted dogs here are: "means a Pit Bull Terrier, an American Pit Bull Terrier, a Pit Bull, a
Staffordshire Bull Terrier, an American Staffordshire Terrier or a
crossbreed of any of the aforementioned breeds."

And the rules are insane. First of all you have to pay four times the fee for a license. You have to ALWAYS have your dog muzzled when out in public. You have to display a massive sign on your property that says WARNING: DANGEROUS DOG and there must be a picture of a dog's head baring it's teeth. For real. The sign must be visible from the street. If you are moving the dog you have to provide the city with its new address within two days. If the dog dies you (seriously) have two days to get a death certificate to the city. I can't believe that isn't a joke.

Mary - posted on 06/10/2011

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Dorota, by your logic, a LOT of breeds should then be banned - and some of them well before pits and pit mixes. The breed that has the strongest bite is the German Sheppard, not an APBT or any of the other bully breed. Second place belongs to the Rottweiler. Perhaps you would just like to ban all breeds over a certain weight who are still in possession of their teeth?

Dorota - posted on 06/10/2011

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See, what I think is that these dogs are so strong and the potential for damage is so huge because of their strength that this bill might be a good idea. And I do realize that a lot of times it is the owner but in many cases it's a dog that snaps that has been a loved family pet that's never done it before. A dog is just a dog and can snap at any moment even if raised right - just like you can't own a tiger and live with it in your home - even if you raise it right blah blah blah.... if it snaps it can be deadly...... IMO

Tasha - posted on 06/10/2011

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I dont think banning any type of dog is a good idea, the problem is not the animal, its the owner. We should make people more repsonsible for their decisions, many decisions, not just pet ownership. If you want an animal you have to be responsible for raising it, just like you are your children. Pitt bulls have a bad reputation, yes they are strong, thats why idiots use them to fight. There is a segmant of people that own pitt bulls simply because its like a dont f with me dog, they raise them to be mean and fight. Any dog raised by someone abusing or neglecting could be just as dangerous as a pitt bull. I think people should be banned from owning animals if theyre not going to care for them

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