Built in car seat (5 point harness)

Charlie - posted on 10/26/2011 ( 43 moms have responded )

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What do you think about Cars with built in car seats like this one ?

Question from the photo "The seats have a layer built in that pull down to reveal the 5 point restraint. Its is for children 20-60 pds. Just wanting to see what people thought about them or if anyone had a vehicle like this? Do you think there safe besides the rear facing factor? "

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Merry - posted on 09/18/2012

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Rf til 5 is doable in a convertible seat. Their legs bend! Remarkable isn't it!

Merry - posted on 10/27/2011

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Trust me, renae has NO idea that she wants to forward face! She can not want what she doesn't know exists.

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Considering how many parents don't properly install their car seats, I would guess it's probably safer than your average car seat. I'm also pro-rear facing as long as possible, but for older kids, I think it's great.

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Angela - posted on 09/29/2012

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YEP, RF is def. doable at age 5. My daughter is almot 4(in November) 112cm,17.5 kilos or 44 inches, 39lbs. She is still RF. She is comfortable enough to fall asleep in it. Her legs do bend! I will keep her RF a bit longer. She is getting to a point now where if she grows much more it won't be doable comfortably. She is the size of a 6 year old now despite her age of

this is a great site and has photos of kids RF to give you an idea.

http://carseatblog.com/2556/graco-my-rid...

Lori - posted on 09/18/2012

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have a question. If you put them rear facing up til age 5, where do you put their legs.

Lori - posted on 09/18/2012

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I love my 5 point seat. I have two grand daughters, and it is easier than having to remove carseats all the time. They are very safe. They have shoulder and lap harness. You don't have to worry about whether or not you have the car seat fastened correctly

Angela - posted on 10/30/2011

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I have a carseat that will safely rear face Claire until at least age 5. She has never been forward facing so I do not have an issue with her and I would not care if she did not like it. Just as I would not care if she screamed her head off to me putting her in a car seat. IT IS A MUST 100% of the time.

Because it was time to move Claire out of her baby car seat, I did ended up doing a lot of research on the safest car seat to buy.

What I learned was the Swedish usually have their kids rear facing at least to age 5 years. They also have very low death rates due to doing so.

So my next question was okay what car seat will accommodate it? In the Netherlands they are behind the times with car seat safety. They just only a few years ago even required them. They had little to choose from. So I ordered mine from Sweden. It cost me a lot because of VAT and shipping but it was to me worth it.

If a child is over 55lb I would consider it okay for this type of seat. In fact I could see how it would be useful. But not for any child under that weight class.

Call me a over protective Mom, but Claire will be rear faced for as long as I can do so.

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Ditto Sherri. I had no idea our van had them til one of the girls was messing w/ a seat. The seat back covers it all up when you aren't using it.

April - posted on 10/28/2011

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i actually turned Zachary forward facing at 1 year (20 pounds), thinking that's what i was supposed to do. then upon doing more research, i turned him back to rear facing at 18 months. he will remain rear facing until it's physically impossible for him to remain that way. at 35 inches tall and 30 pounds, he is rear facing. Back to the OP-- no i would not purchase that type of car unless i had children over the age of 5 that exceeded the weight for rear facing. Even then, i don't know. Has this been crash tested? Is it even safe? I've never seen one of these before.

Caitlin - posted on 10/28/2011

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A friend of the family had a grandparent that bought a car with this type of restraint in it to use when they had the kids a few weekends a year. Apparently it was great, but they are older also. Wouldn't use it for a young kid!

LOL.. my oldest daughter is almost 3 and is only 28 pounds.. We have a rearfacing seat for the new baby that goes up to 50 lbs i think? maybe 45.. either way, a lot.. That would cover my firts daughter until elementary school almost! My 20 month old though.. she's already 26 pounds.. crazy how they differ indeed!

~♥Little Miss - posted on 10/28/2011

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This does not look comfortable at all. I think it is more of a novelty to have something like this....like really good in a pinch....or for grandparents that don't always have the grandkids. I would not use something like this regularly. My daughter weighs 23 lbs and she is still rear facing.

Becky - posted on 10/27/2011

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Haha, Zach is almost 26 months and still has about 4 lbs to go to hit 26 lbs! He could've been rear-facing till he started school, I think. But we have a DVD player in our vehicle and Zach got smart enough to realize that Cole got to watch movies and he didn't and started getting pissed off and screaming in the car. We were planning to take a long trip and didn't want to listen to that for 7 hours, so we turned him at 23 months.

Janice - posted on 10/27/2011

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LOL Laurelai my daughter will be 2yrs Sun. and she is 26lbs! Isn't it crazy how much they can vary!?

Janice - posted on 10/27/2011

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Wow, I've never seen this. I think it would be nice to have in a pinch for an older child. For example giving a ride to your child's playmate. Definitely for bigger kids only though -booster age/size. Doesn't look safe for younger ones but I really dont know for sure exactly how the mechanics of this compare to a molded piece of plastic with straps which is basically all a toddler car seat or booster seat is.

Merry - posted on 10/27/2011

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12 kg isn't that bad. Eric was a big boy and he was 12kg or 26lbs at one year. That would keep most kids rf until at least a years. Some til 2!

Stifler's - posted on 10/27/2011

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Exactly Loureen, I have never seen a seat big enough for a kid bigger than 12kg or whatever rear facing.

Charlie - posted on 10/27/2011

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I agree Sherri !

I did turn my eldest at 6 months as per regulations and his height and weight after reading more about rear facing I decided to keep Harry rear facing for as long as possible however we just dont make seats here for toddlers to rear face in.

The only rear facing ones were lucky to fit my infants and it's illegal to import seats from overseas.

Merry - posted on 10/27/2011

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I know, I still don't like Matt turning Fierna upside down at 5.5 months so the idea of her head being thrown to her chest in a crash just makes me sick! Whiplash is dangerous for AdULTS! Even more so for teeny baby necks. And huge Mellon heads. Lol does Australia just never see infants in crashes? Or do their baby's seriously defy thebiology and have necks strong enough at 6 months"
I know if you google 'joelsjourney' you will see a 30lb 18month old who broke his neck in a forward facing seat. I couldn't imagine that crash with a 17lb 6 month old forward.

Stifler's - posted on 10/27/2011

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I turned Logan forward facing at like 6 months. I can't actually imagine him rear facing now at not even 2 let alone 4. He'd be impossible to take anywhere. Renae is starting to get pissed off with being rear facing and she's 5 months. And you can get a 5 point harness for adults it's called a racing harness.

Corinne - posted on 10/27/2011

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My sisters car has these seats and they're awesome. If I could drive and afford to run a car I'd have one with those. I wouldn't be putting such a small child in that though.

Merry - posted on 10/27/2011

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Good point, even regular seat belt straps don't need replacement after an accident.

Merry - posted on 10/27/2011

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But what about if you are in an accident? Does insurance replace the whole seat?

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My van has those. Either something is wrong w/ mine or I just don't know how to do it cuz there IS no adjusting them. I've used it in the past (2-3 years ago) for the kid I was babysitting and a couple of times for my nephew. I don't trust it though. IF mine was adjustable I might feel differently, but I don't plan on sticking any other kid in there. My son (3.5) won't ever use it.

Becky - posted on 10/27/2011

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I like the idea of having a 5-pt. harness available though. They should just have those in every seat, it's so much safer! I think, like the person who posted the picture mentioned, if our vehicle had this, we'd probably still use a regular carseat (def. wouldn't have a child of that age ff) but might use it in an emergency situation or with an older child who was kind of on the edge between carseat and booster. Or use it in lieu of a booster for a child who was big enough for a booster, because I do prefer a 5 pt. harness to a booster that just uses the seat belt.



Oooh, where they should put these is in the front centre seat of truck or other vehicles with bench seats! We were looking at buying one because we might one day foster which could mean 4 kids in carseats, but the one we were looking at had no shoulder belt in the centre and no tether bolt, so it wasn't usable for a booster or a ff-facing seat, and I"m not comfortable putting an rf seat in the front. Something like this would be perfect!

Becky - posted on 10/27/2011

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They had vehicles with built-in carseats in Canada several years ago and seem to have stopped making them, so I am wondering if they were proven to be less safe than using a carseat? It was before I had kids, so I've never actually used one.

Merry - posted on 10/27/2011

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Obviously I have issues with forward facing before 2-4 years so I'd never advocate its use before then, but as for 4+ yr olds it's not a bad option.

But yeah, what if you get in an accident? Is it still safe? What if you need a tow? Etc angela had some great questions. And for these reasons I'd say no thanks.
I think it might be nice for the families who will let their 4 yr old sit in a seat belt booster or similar bad choices but its not the safest option.
My friend has her daughter who is 5 and weighs 32 lbs sitting in a belt booster. That scares me! Eric's 30lbs and he's rear facing! If she were,ychild she would likely be rearfacing too! If not, at least harnessed.

Elfrieda - posted on 10/27/2011

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Finally! I've been wondering when car manufacturers will start thinking about that. I mean, the reason we need carseats is to modify the seat that the car came with to make them safer for kids. Why wouldn't they just build it in, especially in minivans and vehicles that are more than likely to have children in them? Especially now that kids have to be in carseats until puberty. Talk about demeaning.

I'd want to wait while they get the kinks worked out, but I'm totally interested! I hate wrestling with carseats, and it would be great to only do it during the infant stage.

Minnie - posted on 10/27/2011

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Forward facing for a child of an age like the one in the picture? No way. For my five year old, perhaps.

There's a 75% increased risk of internal decapitation forward facing in children under 2 1/2. Their head to shoulder ratio simply is to large and their bones haven't ossified more like an adult's yet.

Still keeping my three year old rear facing.

Angela - posted on 10/27/2011

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It is convenient.
Even if it is very safe I would not probably go for this as an option.
What if I need to move the car seat to another vehicle?
What if the car breaks down and I need a loaner?
What about when you go to sell the car? Does everyone want such a thing?
What if you get in an accident, is it still safe after wards? I say this because experts state once a car seat has been in an accident even a small one it is no longer safe.
I think it is more economical and easier to just have one car seat vs. two in case I need one outside the built in one.

Stifler's - posted on 10/27/2011

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That is fucking awesome. I'd totally use it. I'm sick of crumbs accumulating under the seat.

Angela - posted on 10/27/2011

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My gut says it is not as safe... sorry it does not look right but I really do not know. Is this in the USA? I know the states have very high level of safety standards however.

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