Bullying teacher caught on camera

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So, I was cutting back on my internet stuff, but I can't stay away from this community! lol...

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/loca...
(this shows the video the student took)

Here's another article:
http://shine.yahoo.com/parenting/teacher...

Nobody believed Julio Artuz, a 15 year old New Jersey special education student, when he complained of being bullied by his teacher. So he caught the whole thing on tape. In footage captured in secret on his cellphone, Artuz is subjected to curses and berating from a man who's supposed to be a mentor.

Artuz's teacher says: "I will kick your [expletive] from here to kingdom come until I'm 80 years old."

"Don't threaten me," responds Artuz.

"What are you going to do? You gonna get a chopper and chop me?" asks his teacher as the rest of the class sits rubbernecking the heated argument.

What Jules did do was show his taped account to his parents and a local advocate of bullied students. After an NBC news affiliate in Philadelphia got hold of the footage (you can watch it here), the school immediately took action, placing the teacher on paid administrative leave pending an investigation.

"The actions depicted on the video do not reflect the mission or culture of our school," said Gloucester Counter Special Services Superintendent Michael Dicken in a statement. "Our school district takes all bullying, harassment, and intimidation allegations seriously...we do not tolerate it."

While schools may not tolerate that kind of abuse of power, it takes a lot to make it stop. In a separate incident earlier this week, an Ohio special needs student came forward with an account of long-term bullying from her two teachers. She actually had to attend school wired with a recording device to capture proof of her teachers calling her "dumb", "lazy" and overweight. Another shocking incident this month involved a high school basketball coach who was captured on cell phone video making deeply offensive, racist remarks about students while in school.

"Statistically about 1 to 2 percent of teachers are actually involved in bullying students," says Dr. Joel Haber, a clinical psychologist who runs the anti-bullying website RespectU. "There needs to be a clear policy in schools not just for students bullying other students but for teachers as well. Teachers are humans too and this kind of thing does happen, so it needs to be managed early."

While more schools have introduced anti-bullying codes of conduct for students, teachers aren't always considered a threat.

It's a murky issue for many school administrators. Where's the bullying line when you're managing an unruly classroom? "Its blurry sure but you know when someone wants to make a kid feel bad, or when they're abusing their power as an authority figure," says Dr. Haber. "That's not the way a role model should be managing a student. "

A bullying teacher doesn't just threaten to knock a student's self-confidence, he can destroy a kid's confidence in his school. "Teachers are supposed to make students feel safe," Dr. Haber says. When school becomes a fearful environment because of a teacher, students suddenly think 'well who can I trust then?'"

In Artuz' case, his phone was best bet. It's possible nobody would have listened if they didn't see it firsthand. "When you watch a video like that live, it really creates a different image than if you were to just hear about," says Dr. Haber.

It's a powerful defense, especially for students who don't feel their complaints would be recognized otherwise. It also sends a message to teachers: watch how you speak to your students, someone might be taping you.

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Thoughts? Some of the comments on the first link say the teacher shouldn't be fired, just given counseling and one poster even had the gall to suggest the student should be put in detention for "starting the mess." WTH?!?!

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Denikka - posted on 02/18/2014

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You have certainly implied that you are lumping all teachers and school staff members together.

From your other thread:
"But the way you ranted without knowing all the facts and blaming the kids makes me think you probably work for a school in some way!"
"Shaun, let me guess, you're a teacher or someone who works in the school system!!! You are all the same!!!"
"And to be "brutally honest", why don't you brilliant teachers just use some of your WISDOM AND COMMON SENSE"
"...just google "bullying teachers" as I did because I'm sick of it in my daughters' school, as well as in every school around!"
"No matter how wrong they are, they will ALWAYS back their own!"
"You must work for the school system in some way for you to defend this music teacher's actions!!!"
"teachers can say and do what they like, because they most likely will just keep on working!"

The implications that all teachers/school workers are in on abuse in some way, condone it, accept it, ignore it, participate in it, whatever.

At ONE point (now two in your most recent post), you have said that you know that ALL teachers are not like that, but the rest of your posts definitely seem to point towards you believing that, if not ALL, the biggest majority are like this.

"Her own words, as despicable as they were, should ruin her profession as she should be a profesdional when speaking at all times! She disrespected me just because she disagrees with me. Well, she got back what she dished out!"

So what is this saying about you? Anything that Shawnn has said is just words on the screen. Her percieved bad behavior (and I will refrain from making judgement as to whether it was or not, but you percieve it to be, and that's what's important), is no excuse for your own. It's extremely childish to fall into a *but she was mean to me first* mentality. Conduct yourself in a mature and acceptable manner. You can't control what others do, and their behavior, even if unacceptable, does not excuse you conducting bad behavior of your own.

Shawnn has brought to light a very important fact that you may have missed. There are ALWAYS 2 sides to a story. That doesn't mean that what was done is acceptable, just that there are different perspectives as to what happened and why.

An example I could give is actually the same teacher I described earlier. My drama/gym teachers.
From the story that the child originally gave, this teacher grabbed his arm and broke it.
Sounds horrible doesn't it? Criminal charges should be brought against this man! He should never be allowed to teach again, let alone be anywhere near children!

But, he was allowed to continue teaching. He recieved absolutely no disciplinary action beyond a few days off with no pay while the investigation was under way.

Because the students perspective is not the entire story.
The rest of the event surrounding the incident paint a VERY different picture.
This teacher was also the wrestling teams coach. And it was during this capacity, after school hours, that the event took place. He was teaching the team a new move and the boy had volunteered as part of the demonstration. After being repeatedly told that he MUST go with the move to prevent injury (along with a previous 2 years experience ON this wrestling team and 5+ years in martial arts being taught to fall/take a hit properly and without injury) this boy, for whatever reason, decided to resist the move, landed wrong and broke his arm.
This story was corroberated by the rest of the wrestling team.

The boys parents chose not to ask the teacher/coach. They, instead, chose to go exclusively on the word of their child; that the teacher had merely grabbed him unexpectedly during wrestling practice and broken his arm. And they were out for blood. It wasn't until much later, after an official investigation and several of the boys teammates coming forward to the parents that they decided to drop things.

Shawnn never said that she didn't believe that your music teacher was doing these things. She merely asked for your personal experiences, ones you had witnessed, not ones that you had heard second hand. She also stated that every story has two sides and that it's important to get both perspectives before jumping to conclusions. It's not exactly unheard of for kids to exaggerate or misinterpret things.

You have also brought to light a very important point. It is VERY difficult to get teachers fired, even with reasonable cause. In fact, I would almost put it in the same direction as politicians. There are times when it seems that up until there is irrefutable (such as video) proof of a teacher doing absolutely horrifying things, little can or is done. This absolutely needs to change.
I am personally an advocate of video survielance in the schools. This protects the students AND the teachers. There are plenty of students out there who will make false accusations against a teacher, along with teacher to student bullying and student to teacher bullying. None of it is acceptable and all of it needs to be addressed.

Denikka - posted on 02/18/2014

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I've been watching the interaction in the last couple threads, and I'm with Shawnn on this one.
Yes, instances of teachers bullying children exist. I have personally experienced that, towards myself and a friend, on 2 separate occasions (2 friends)
The first was in Grade 3. My friend had 2 older brothers who were somewhat trouble makers. The teacher was a sub (a frequent sub in my elementary and very well known, she was the regular sub for every teacher in the school) and had had some dealings with my friends brothers (who were 2+ years older). She automatically had it in for my friend. It eventually escalated when the teacher asked my friend a question and my friend responded with what the teacher deemed to be an attitude and sent my friend out to the hall. There truly and genuinely was no attitude on my friends part, and so I stuck up for her. I was respectful and polite (literally said *excuse me, but really wasn't having any attitude. She speaks the same way to everyone, including and her mother. She wasn't being disrespectful in any way*). We were both yelled at by the sub and sent to the hallway. When I started down towards the principals office to report what had happened, the sub came out and started yelling at us to get back to the classroom.
I spent the rest of the day writing down every event that happened where my friend and I were singled out unfairly and I brought it to my grandpa (I lived with my grandparents) who took it in to the principal the next day. Between my grandfather and my friends mother this substitute was told (at a school board level) that she was not to teach in any class that either of us were in again. This lady had a list the length of my arm of complaints against her, and more than a couple pertained to issues that had been had with my friends brothers (who, honestly, were troublemakers, but did not deserve the level of persecution this sub leveled against them).
We got a sense of justice for ourselves, but she was allowed to continue to teach.
The second incident was in highschool. The first day of drama class, I will admit, I was a twit. I should have shut up and I didn't. I really made a bad impression. The second day, while doing a partnered activity, the teacher decided that my friend and I weren't doing the activity properly or quickly enough or something, and sent us out to the hallway, saying he would be right out to speak with us. I felt it was unfair, but figured we would be able to plead our case and he would understand. So we waited. Now, classes were only about 1hour and 15 minutes long. Class was about 10 minutes into session when the incident occurred. We waited over 45 minutes. At that point, I got fed up. I went down to call my grandparents at the payphone (I wanted them aware of the situation, because I had the feeling that things were going to escalate when the teacher finally spoke to us). We were gone less than 5 minutes, then returned to our spot outside the classroom. We waited until the end of class, when the bell rang, and then the teacher came out, very aggressively, demanding to know where we'd been, that he'd come out 5 minutes after sending us out and we were gone. I told him that we had waited over 40 minutes, then gone to call our parents to inform them what had happened. He got angry, yelled at us that he wouldn't accept this kind of behavior, etc. At one point he grabbed for my arm, missed and grabbed my backpack instead (I was wearing it over both shoulders). Once again, my grandfather got involved with the principal, I was removed from that class (by my own choice) and, while the teacher was allowed to continue, I did receive an apology from him. He ended up being my gym teacher the next year and ended up being the best teacher, of any subject, that I'd ever had.

Out of my 14 years of school (I took an extra year before graduating), those are the only 2 incidents that I have personally witnessed, let alone been a part of, of what I would consider teacher bullying. I have heard of less than half a dozen other accounts, and most of those pertained to single teacher, who it was later found out, had cancer and was not entirely responsible for her actions and, in fact, if the incidents involving her had been reported sooner, she may have been diagnosed much soon and the problems would have been addressed much sooner.

BUT, I have heard of dozens of incidents of students bullying teachers, from name calling and inappropriate behavior down to having a knife pulled. I have personally witnessed at LEAST 2 dozen incidents.

The shit that I have watched some of my teachers put up with is appalling.
But Shawnn is right. Many parents will defend their children. It's become an epidemic. Parents will fight any perceived injustice against their child. I have personally seen incidents where the child hasn't gotten the grade that the parent thinks they should (even though it's a fair grade) and the parent goes in and fights with the teacher to change it. Or the child has exhibited inappropriate behavior (such as telling the teacher to *f..k off*) and has recieved an appropriate dicipline (such as detention) and the parent will come in and defend the child, often blaming the teacher in some sort of twisted logic.
I know of tons of incidents where the child has played up something and the parents, without getting any other perspective, have gone on a rampage, demanding blood and justice for their poor little baby who, in actuality, was the instigator.

No, it's not right that teachers put their hands on any student. Yes, every incident should be fully investigated and dealt with severely.
But to label all teachers, not just all teachers but all school staff, into a lump of abusers is ridiculous. Most teachers are good people who would never hurt a child. Even some of those who have been involved in abusive incidents could still be called good people who just snapped.
It is never right for any teacher (or any other adult) to abuse a child. It is never okay, it is never acceptable. And each incident should be dealt with severely. But students abuse the teachers WAAAAY more than the reverse. And that is just as wrong and should also be dealt with.

Lynda, you've attacked Shawnn's profession (and her coworkers) and attacked her personally. I can't blame her for being defensive and upset about that. You have taken a blanket stance that, simply, isn't true or justified in any way. To lump all teachers into one category, especially such a negative category, is despicable. Most teachers are just as appalled as you or I when an incident of abuse occurs. Most would NEVER do anything like that. Shawnn has never said that teacher abuse doesn't happen. She has never said that it's okay in any way. She has simply ADDED that there is far more students being abusive towards teachers and that not all incidents of so called *teacher abuse* are what you think. That things need to be looked at from both sides. Giving a student a low grade on an assignment, or assigning detention because they were goofing off in class is not bullying, although some students would/will/HAVE tried to claim that.
I'm sure you would be just as upset as Shawnn is if I started pulling up cases of child abuse by the parents and started saying that all parents are abusive like these ones, that these cases (which are MUCH more common than teacher to student bullying/abuse) represent ALL parents, including you, and that you were *probably* a horrible person just like these people just because you also chose to have a child. Wouldn't feel too good to be attacked, just because you share one single thing with someone who has committed something disgusting, does it?
You might want to think twice before posting blanket statements, especially ones attacking a whole group of people.

Becky - posted on 11/19/2011

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I think that the teacher in this story needs to be fired . . . he has no business teaching, regular classes or special ed classes. It takes a great person with great amounts of patients to teach kids of all ages . . . . not everyone can do it. This man is a complete failure!

~♥Little Miss - posted on 02/27/2014

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Due to in thread bickering, I am closing this thread for further review.

~LiTtLe MiSs~

Diane - posted on 11/18/2011

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I am a little perturb at how few people have even viewed this site! To me it shows how little it is even considered an issue! That makes me angry!! I am a very old woman now but I still carry some emotional scars from being bullied by my teachers. Other kids new better cuz I'd fight back but the teachers!! OMG they were worse than the kids! When my youngest daughter was in the third grade she had sprained her ankle the PE teacher made the whole class lay onthe gym floor with their noses down because"Amy couldn't do her pushups!" She called me crying hysterically. I walked all the way there mad as a wet hornet!! I was threatened by the Principal that if I went to the gym I was going to be arrested..Guess what??? I went anyway and marched my butt right inthere backed that teacher against her own wall and told her if she ever abused my daughter again it would be her job!! She actually stabbed at me with a sharpened pencil!! I took my daughter out of there right then and ther and called all the parents I knew and told them what had happened! This was around 11 in the morning...by 5 that afternoon she was on her way to being FIRED!!!! I called every news station every radio talk show every parent and the School
board of Portland Oregon public schools and I didn't stop !!! When it is my child I am the Tigress!! You can lock me up or what ever but you don't harm my child mentally emotionally or physically EVER! She was fired and the school gave me a private apology. I threatened to sue them but never did. I figured they were in enough financial problems already!! There weren't any issues after that day at that school again for my daughter. Ya gotta STAND UP and be willing to take the risk !! Media and lawyers scare the shit outta school staff!! Don't get me wrong...this isn't meant to abuse them either! Teachers (most of them) are over worked and WAY under paid!! This story didnt tell if this boy was carrying a knife or gun or if he was being disruptive or beligerent....the circumstances are important. Big difference in discipline methods between an aggessive threatening teen ager and a 9 year old girl with a sprained ankle.

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♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 02/26/2014

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I've noticed that she who protests the loudest is usually the one who's at fault. Since you're still obsessed with one statement that I made weeks ago, it must hurt to look in the mirror. Especially since I never actually implied that YOU WERE THAT PARENT. At least, not until later, when you proved yourself to be so.

Nice chatting Ms. Brown. Have a beautiful day in your glass house!

Lynda - posted on 02/25/2014

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Well, Shawnn, sweetie, I think everyone knows, and as a court reporter I know, that "slander is making false oral statements meant to do harm to the reputation of another", which you have been claiming I have done to you. Nothing could be further from the TRUTH! If your reputation is ruined, it's ruined because of your own filthy, despicable, and deplorable language! And yes, you did follow me to this post after I put "...two teachers named Jodi and Shawnn whose texts were unbelievable; especially Shawn. She was slamming us parents who stick up for our kids and get involved when our kids are being bullied by teachers or someone in authority." There is nothing false about that statement, except that you are not a teacher (and we both agree "thank God" for that), but you are someone in authority, and you have done nothing but make presumptions and slam myself and my husband as parents and my kids and our situation! And you even slam other parents like myself! And to hear that you are on the board and using the filthy, despicable, deplorable language you did in making all your presumptions about me as one of those "entitled parents who thinks their kids' shit doesn't stink" or that "entitled brats or precious angels that get everything under the sun" and ALL your "f" bombs, I can't believe they would keep you on the board! Now I hope you are really finished with all your game playing, Shawnn!

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 02/25/2014

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You say I FOLLOWED YOU TO THIS POST?

Sorry, sweetie, but YOU BROUGHT ME IN TO THIS POST BY SLANDERING MY NAME FROM ANOTHER BOARD.

I did not follow you, however, being a member on THIS board for 6 years, I do browse it daily, and when my name pops up in a slanderous post that you're quoting FROM A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BOARD, it pisses me off that you have no comprehension of how to follow the rules.

Lynda - posted on 02/25/2014

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Well, I think that last text with all your "f" bombs speaks to how intelligent you really are! Thank you for showing all the other "adults" that read this what you really are all about! And maybe you forgot, Shawnn, but you followed me over to this post which talks about "watch how you speak to your students, someone might be taping you", which is why you are not against cameras everywhere, because you will speak "sweet and polite" all the while thinking "these entitled parents who think their kids' shit doesn't stink" or "these entitled brats or precious angels that get everything under the sun"; your language is despicable and deplorable, and you are so hypocritical!!! And hopefully you will be true to your word (probably not though) and not PLAY YOUR GAMES anymore!

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 02/25/2014

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Oh, for fucks sake, Ms. Brown, leave me alone. I'm not playing your stupid little game any more. You don't read full posts, you have absolutely zero comprehension of what I am saying, nor do you really have any desire to comprehend, so knock it the fuck off. I've politely asked you to quit engaging me, and you've been obstinately ignored that.

So, polite is done. YOU HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA what it's like to deal with people like you day in, day out, and online. Who's the fucking bully? YOU!!!!!

Bullies follow. Bullies harrass. Bullies obstinately refuse to back the fuck off when asked to do so.

Lynda - posted on 02/25/2014

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Well, Shawnn, I can tell you that I am not glad that you came back to PLAY; however, I did expect it. So you are "a front line person" and "not an instructor" of adult kids, and I whole - heartedly agree "thank God" for that! However, that doesn't excuse you for your despicable and deplorable language! You shouldn't be around any kids of any age being that you are so hypocritical! You say you are for cameras everywhere because of course you would be "sweet and polite" to the students while "bursting their entitled little bubbles" as it is one of your duties! As I said before, I feel sorry for the parents and the kids that have to deal with you and all of your dishonesty! And I hope you are done for real this time, because as I said before you are a waste of time!

♫ Shawnn ♪♫♫ - posted on 02/25/2014

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Want my opinion on cameras? They are absolutely NECESSARY. In all areas of the school, playground, buses. Period.

You're still reading in hopes to be pissed off by my posts, so go right ahead, baby! But, I will point out, for the umpteenth time, that I'm NOT an instructor, thank God! I am a front line person. The one who deals first, and most, with your entitled kid when they get here.

Bursting their entitled little bubbles is one of my duties. Teaching them that the world DOES NOT revolve around them is one of my primary tasks. And, believe me, parents, such as yourself, who refuse to act the adult and see both sides of the story before making assumptive accusations, are the root of that problem.

Cheers, Ms. Brown! Have a blessed and wonderful week

Lynda - posted on 02/24/2014

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You really are pretty daft when you put in your last text for all the "adults" to see "glad you came back to PLAY" and "appropriate use of this site". You are very immature and your texts wreak of your immaturity! Why don't you just keep on pretending to be "sweet and polite" to your adult students all the while in your mind you're thinking about how you "have to deal with these idiot situations created by (for the most part) entitled parents feeling that their kids' shit doesn't stink!" And I noticed, as a so-called professional teacher yourself, you never mentioned anything about being in favor of cameras in classrooms! Go figure with your state of mind about some of us parents with our "entitled brats" or "precious angels who get everything under the sun"going to your school! As I said before, you are a waste of time being a so-called professional, but using such language as you have in your rants about the parents and kids you interact with and just with all your rude and ignorant presumptions of my family and our situation. I feel sorry for the parents and kids that have to put up with your hypocritical thinking! And I hope you are really done now like you said a couple of times already, but I'm sure as immature as you are, you are going to want to PLAY some more!

Lynda - posted on 02/23/2014

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Hey, Shawnn (spelling correct) or Ms. Lively (appropriate last name when seeing the despicable language coming from a so-called professional teacher, who won't apologize for such language - big surprise there!), I will address you whenever I want "my dear misguided 'adult' person.This is the Internet.You don't like it? Don't read it." And I hope you are finished for good this time! That's all I have left to say to someone who is supposed to be a professional and has used the despicable language you have used!!! You are a waste of time! And for Denikka, I only showed Shawnn the same disrespect she showed me right from the very beginning! I am a firm believer that what goes around comes around, and you should treat others how you want to be treated! So Shawnn's despicable language, which you, Denikka, didn't exactly agree with, got her exactly what she dished out. And it was common knowledge that the music teacher was like this from the beginning when he began by yelling shut up to all his classes. The principal was getting phone calls from a lot of parents complaining about this. When I phoned, the principal said that she was aware of this and that she was having meetings with him to see if there was another word he could use, if you can believe that (which you both probably don't)! I suggested how about "be quiet"?! The principal also told me that she was monitoring his bad behavior by crouching down outside the classroom with the door being open so as to catch him in the act! My daughter had come home the day before and had said her whole class had seen the principal doing this, and they thought it was hilarious, because the music teacher didn't know what was going on! And now do the two of you believe me when I tell you that I have had direct contact with the principal when talking about this music teacher's actions?! Probably not and I don't really care if you two do or not! I believed your story, Denikka, about the gym teacher and didn't distespect you in any way. And you said that Shawnn didn't say she didn't believe me, but that she just wanted to know about the ones I witnessed! I think that in itself says Shawnn doesn't believe me, doesn't it?! This is the problem! The children are not being believed, and then the schools don't do anything about it (even if there is a tape)! You said it, Denikka, that even though there is a tape exposing the real story or TRUTH, they still don't get fired! And having cameras in the classrooms would be the solution to this "there is two sides to every story" business! This is what I and many parents are frustrated with! I think it is a shame that in order to get to the TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, we as parents have had to feel that our only option is to send our kids in wired up! And, Denikka, don't you know that politics and the school system go hand in hand! Go to hvna bully teacher and listen to the autistic boy named Akian getting called "a bastard" as well as all the other abuse by two teachers at Cherry Hill school! I felt physically ill after listening to that audio tape! And the teachers are still working! THIS IS THE PROBLEM!

Lynda - posted on 02/18/2014

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Well, that was quite a rant as well, Denikka! I will reiterate, AGAIN, that I am not lumping or saying that ALL teachers or people in authority in the school systems are bullying! But I am finding out, at least in our school division/district, more and more horror stories of blatant physical and emotional abuse that is not being addressed by the school system, and parents are resorting to sending their kids in wired up in order to deal with the issue! This speaks volumes as to the honesty that is definitely lacking when dealing with the school system! As for Shawnn and attacking her profession, I find that quite laughable! Her own words, as despicable as they were, should ruin her profession as she should be a profesdional when speaking at all times! She disrespected me just because she disagrees with me. Well, she got back what she dished out! This music teacher has a long record of throwing things at kids and calling them names, such as kindergarten kids "little brats", Grade 5 girls "little bitches", Grade 7 and 8 boys "dumb ass" and "jackass", and now he has finally escalated to putting his hands around a Grade 3 boy's neck dragging him across the classroom yelling "you're going to listen to me" in front of the rest of the class. He also made my daughter and her class put their noses to the floor saying "don't move", and when kids started crying, he just yelled "stop crying". My daughter said "Mom, I was so scared. I didn't know what was coming next." These are 10-year-olds! Music is mandatory, and we as parents are forced to put our kids in this man's presence. Shawnn didn't believe that any of this is true, and maybe you won't either, Dennika, but that doesn't matter to me as I am just sharing my horror story and am wondering if there are any other parents out there who are struggling with a teacher bullying their kid, and the school system is doing nothing about it, and you have had to resort to taping?

Lynda - posted on 02/17/2014

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HIy, Shawnn, I see you are ranting here and are using the same kind of despicable language (the "f" bomb, for one example) you used in your other postings. I want you to understand once and for all that I do not wish to dispute with you whether or not teachers are bullying kids, because they are! And there is PROOF that it is happening when there is a tape, whether it be audio or video. And what I said in this last post is that you were "slamming us parents who stick up for our kids and get involved when our kids are being bullied by teachers or someone in authority." And I just want the ladies who read this to know that you had said previously that I "refuse intelligent dialogue", yet have said the following in your previous posts: "I declare your rant to be just that, a rant. Probably one of your angels got shot down when trying to get special privileges, and you felt that they were "bullied" by their teacher. Well, I'm so sorry that you feel that your angels aren't being treated properly by the school that they are in. Perhaps homeschooling would be an option for you." You also said "And to be even more brutally honest, I see more teachers submitting to bullying from their entitled brats that are students than I do students being bullied by teachers..." You also said "It used to be that teachers enforcing rules were just that, teachers enforcing rules. Now if precious baby doesn't want to listen, they tell momma and daddy, and momma and daddy whine about how their angel is 'special' and deserves 'special treatment' and that 'nasty bullying teacher' needs to learn that. Well, I disagree." And you also said "I googled teachers bullying and got a few results on actual incidents, and more links to the pages on teachers BEING BULLIED."And you also said " And, sweetie, when you've been on God's earth for as long as I have, and you've dealt with the idiot situations created (for the most part) by entitled parents feeling that their children's shit doesn't stink, and we should all bow down to those same angelic children..." And you said "Your kind most likely did not follow a teacher's direction, or a school rule, and you're pissed about it because you couldn't get the school to see it 'your way'..."And you also said "precious angels who get everything under the sun..." And you also said "...who've been raised by you and your friends to believe that their shit doesn't stink, and they can do no wrong..." And "Shawnn" (spelling correct), I am a court reporter, and I usually make an extra effort to spell proper nouns/names correctly, but in your previous rants you also said "Oh, Linnie, take a deep breath and RELAX..." And after you had no respect in addressing my name properly, I just returned the favor by saying "Shawnie". And then your next text after I returned the favor was "Furthermore, Miss Maturity, at least pull your head out long enough to realize that it is insulting for an adult to deliberately misspell another's name when it is RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM." You should go back to those other posts to see for yourself everything I quoted here is correct, and I also edited my last post to respond to your last post being that you closed it out because you felt the comments were going nowhere, and I wasn't following the rules of THUMPS! I think YOU are rude and your language on here is disgusting considering you are supposed to be a professional! You don't know me or my kids or how "privileged" we are! You can stop with presumptions! And the boy that got dragged across the classroom by his neck with the teacher screaming at him "you're going to listen to me" happened, as I said before, the teacher phoned the mom crying that he was sorry and he doesn't know what he would do if that happened to his kids. I want to speak with mothers who KNOW THAT THEIR KIDS ARE BEING BULLIED BY A TEACHER AND WHAT THEY ARE DOING ABOUT IT!!! Now you quit violating the rules of THUMPS!!!

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Linda, just STOP with the slander of my name. You are rude, inconsiderate, inciteful, and not helpful.

You never, ever even fucking bothered to read my responses, except to see that I did not 100 percent agree with you, at which point you purposely began to misinterpret any and everything else. You have attacked me, you have slandered me, and you continue to harass me in posts across this site.

Your behaviour indicates to me that I'm spot on about you. You cite "other stories" (in other words, spread rumours). You don't have any firsthand experience, just the information that you've gathered by minimal research on the internet. You refuse to do any further research, fearing that you may be proven wrong.

FYI, ladies, I asked Ms. Brown to cite actual true experience, rather than rumours. I also asked for confirmation on the entire situation and circumstances, as i know darn good and well that a lot of times, EVEN IN MY OWN HOME, the entire story isn't told to parents by their kids, that the person on the other side of that story also deserves their chance to put in their say.

Ms. Brown chooses to use that to determine that I hate children, I hate parents, and I personally am responsible for any and all mishaps that occur to everyone worldwide (or at least that is how i'm interpreting her overboard response to me). Let me tell you, ladies, what I hate:

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF PARENTS WHO REFUSE TO REALIZE THAT THERE ARE TWO DAMNED SIDES TO EVERY STORY, AND THAT THEIR CHILD MAY NOT BE RELATING ALL RELEVANT INFORMATION.

Never once did I say that bullying does NOT OCCUR. I simply pointed out that the examples Ms. Brown was using were 2 things that she'd "heard" about, rather than witnessed. She didn't bother to research anything beyond extreme cases, after those 2 that she heard about. Hear say isn't fact. Sorry, Ms. Brown, but that's never, ever going to change.

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Way to go! Your damn right the media and lawyers scares the shit out of them; especially the media for the bad attention! I just previously asked the question on Circle of Moms "I have heard two stories where the teachers didn't allow kids to go to the bathroom and then they pee'd themselves. What other examples are out there of teachers bullying kids?", and I got two teachers named Jodi and Shawnn whose texts were unbelievable; especially Shawnn. She was slamming us parents who stick up for our kids and get involved when our kids are being bullied by teachers or someone in authority. I am so glad to have read your post as you are a woman just like myself. I am momma bear, and if you screw with my kids, you screw with momma bear! I am sorry you have such lasting effects from yourself being bullied by a teacher, but you go, girl, and protect your own. This issue needs to be brought into the light! That doctor said 1% to 2% of teachers bully, but that is just what we know of. I believe the numbers would be much higher if all parents would report these teachers! But some parents don't know what to do or where to go! Your post was helpful as far as I am concerned.

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My mother was a teacher . . . she often stood up for teachers when I would tell her how unfair they were being! But she listened carefully to how I retold the stories, and in retrospect, she was right most of the time . . . it was me & my attitude, not the teacher.

There had been occasions where my mom also stood up for me to teachers & schools. She was fierce when she needed to be. I remember one occasion when she told off a Nun and pointed out that she missed an opportunity to show her students that she cared about them & their grades. The Nun told my mom that she had no right to tell her how to teach . . . that's when my mom snapped and tossed her teaching degrees and years of experience (more than the Nuns) in the lady's face! It was epic! And of course the principle was notified of the entire situation . . . I never knew if she choose not to come back the next year or if she was asked not to.

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LISTEN to your children ... ask them to tell you about their day and they very well might let you 'hear' that Teacher is a bully -
DON'T SUGGEST IT - just listen.

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I and several aides in our special education program have BEGGED for camaras in the classroom! I made complaints about two teachers. One HIT AND BIT students. Both of them still have their jobs. I lost mine. I videoed an incident. Instead of watching it, and taking action on the teacher, I was fired for 'breaking confidentiality'. The worst of the abusers now only has 'non-verbal' students in her room. She had 5 parent complaints in one year, and one school told her resign or be fired, still 'teaching'. Yeah, scary shit!!

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I just finished my BS in education and there are no jobs. Why? Because teachers unions have made so assholes like that can continue to teach (or abuse) students while new teachers cant get hired.
Sharon I'm happy to hear that there is a lot of impromtu monitoring at your school. There are lots of wonderful teachers out there. However, this is not the norm in most schools and there are quite a big amount of bad teachers too. I don't think that video cameras in every classroom is the answer but taking students complaints seriously is important and monitoring like what goes on at your school should be more common.

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Tara I do agree to a certain extent that peopel in an authority position should be prepared to video taped at one point, but I have to say that the minute video cameras are installed IN the classroom, I'll be done teaching. I will always stand by my work ethic and pride in my craft. But Big Brother cameras? No, them I'm done in the classroom. My administration is constantly walking through classrooms, every day, morning & afternoon. Not a single day goes by where one of the principals, board members, or superintendent stroll through; and I will always welcome class visitors to stay. But video taping me in the classroom? That is where I respectfully resign. However I do know that there are some school policies to video tape some special needs classrooms. Some of the severe special needs classrooms are kept on full monitor, primarily for health concerns and not just to monitor the teacher.

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As a private citizen I would be upset about being video taped doing my normal activities around my home, say gardening in my bikini etc. I would feel as though my privacy were invaded.
However anyone in a position of authority, a police officer, a security guard, a care giver in a day care, a health care aide in a nursing home, a teacher in a school, all of these people should be prepared to be video taped or recorded doing their jobs at some point in time.
The reason for this is simple, they are in a position of authority, often governing over others who are in a position to feel inferior or who are unable to speak for themselves etc.
I am so happy that this student was able to actually catch this asshole of a teacher. I feel if teachers felt that their actions could be caught on tape on a regular basis they would also conduct themselves accordingly.
The same way that police brutality is being captured by the public on their cell phones and making it's way to the news, the same way that child care providers who abuse the children in their care are being caught by video footage, people need to wake up and realize that in this day and age you are not protected by four walls and whatever authority was given to you when you took the job.

I hope this teacher is never allowed to teach again. And I hope more students and their parents take that extra step, that extra precaution and provide their children with the means to have proof of their bullying, teacher or other kid, doesn't matter to me.
Expose them all.

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Get rid of the crappy teachers- they do not belong in the classroom. However I have been video taped in the classroom without my knowledge or consent. I have to admit I was angry and felt violated. A kid was being sneaky about it and she taped me being silly while reciting one of my favorite poems while standing on a desk. Then word got around to a few other students about what she taped. Was I doing anything wrong? Absolutely not. Was she planning on using the video against me? I doubt it-but she could have! I'm not saying that this student was wrong either about video taping his bullying tacher either, and in fact I am glad he was armed with the tool that exposed that nasty teacher. I am honestly just torn with being video taped against my consent. A similar video went viral of a random teacher actually teaching a lesson. Kids manipulated and photoshopped the video, added in other segments, and well, you can see the damage that a video can do to an honest professional. But if the camera is used for the purposes of exposing a bully, whether teache or peer, then I'm OK with it.

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I think if you have to resort to swearing and name calling as a teacher, you are in the wrong profession. If my child was objected to that sort of behavior by a teach I would fight to the end to get that teacher fired.

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