Catholic Bishops Don't Like Oral

Mrs. - posted on 01/28/2011 ( 18 moms have responded )

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Gotta love that title. Came across this article on facebook from the Toronto National Post. It talks about, no surprise really, how some Bishops are coming down on married couples who "misuse sex in marriage". To quote the letter the Bishop wrote:

"Sexual intercourse in marriage can be so intimate that it becomes an emotional, intellectual, physical and spiritual experience. It strengthens and completes the bond of marriage. That is why the sexual act has to be unitive and procreative and why some kinds of sexual activity are not chaste."

The assumption is anything outside the intent to procreate is considered unchaste.

Read more: http://life.nationalpost.com/2011/01/28/...

So, what do you think? Do you think that the Catholic church is slipping away from the progress they made with Vatican 2? Do you think it's a valid point that giving your husband a hand job without the intention of making a baby means you love him less and are no longer chaste in your marriage?




http://life.nationalpost.com/2011/01/28/...‘misuse-of-sex’-in-marriage/

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Krista - posted on 01/28/2011

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I think that each and every Catholic leader should shut the fuck up about ANYTHING sexual until they clean up their OWN house and turn their pedo priests over to law enforcement instead of shuttling them from parish to parish.

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Stifler's - posted on 01/28/2011

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L.O.L. Sex is within a marriage, none of the priests business at all!!

Desiree - posted on 01/28/2011

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Veronica I am a Catholic too, and being catholic means I shouldn't use contriseption except the way they teach, The natural form. I never quite understood how it works so I never used it, I use the conventional type the pill. but when it come to sex thats none of anyones business what we do in the bedroom or my home. But I do believe in keeping things spicy then there is no reason to wander from the marriage bed and so far it works. 14 years of marriage. But then I also believe what a little Jewish woman advised just before my marriage " A Lady in public, a Whore in the bedroom". No church is going to tell me otherwise.

Veronica - posted on 01/28/2011

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alright - i will back off....

(edited to say) I wasn't saying to shut it down, because I didnt like it -- im already seeing where this type of thread is going, thats all -- but you are right, I dont have to participate.

Johnny - posted on 01/28/2011

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Veronica, this is just another debate among many. If it's too personal for you, perhaps you should avoid the thread. No one has been personally attacked and no one has violated no thumps. Not even close. I can not see any reason for this thread to be shut down aside from the fact that it makes you personally uncomfortable.

Many people abhor the Catholic church and much of what it stands for. There is absolutely no rule or regulation in Debating Mums or COM that would prevent people from expressing those feelings.

There have been innumerable topics in which people are opposed to religions, lifestyles, beliefs, political opinions, etc. If it is upsetting to the practitioners of or believers in those things, then they need to step back from the topic, not ask for it to be shut down because they don't like it.

Veronica - posted on 01/28/2011

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ugh - let me ask everyone this question -- why is it that when Catholic is mentioned - its smashed and brutalized to smitherenes -- but nothing is said about any other religion, culture, creed, or cult?? I haven't seen any other 'order' jumped all over, like catholicism is.

First and foremost - just because you choose to be a part of a religion - does not automatically make you immortal and free of sin. WE ARE ALL SINNERS. Any one of us can go to hell, and any one of us can go to heaven.

Just because you are part of a religion, does not mean that if you don't follow the rules, that all of a sudden you aren't worthy. I highly doubt that everyone is a complete law abiding citizen, followed all the rules while they were in school, and obeyed their parents. Does that mean law is bs, because not everyone follows it? Should schools be condemed because students violated rules? Maybe families and parents should be non-existant because while under your parents roof, there are rules to abide by.

It's called the grace of forgiveness.

I mean really, just because there are a few bad apples in the bunch, doesnt make the whole pie sour (retarded metaphor, but whatever).

Next, if you aren't catholic, why does it matter to you what the bishop says anyways? Why does it concern you??



Its like this, i hear people complain about that guy that always comes to church - what is he doing here, he sits at the bar all week, and think by coming to church it will make him look good --- guess what folks, church is for the sinners - we all need the Lord, we all need that great power, regardless of what faith/religion/belief we have, and despite how bad or heavy your sins are.



IMO another thread that needs to be shut down. Its just going to keep going like this....

Johnny - posted on 01/28/2011

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If you choose to practice that religion, then you'd probably better follow what you are told or apparently you are going to hell and it doesn't sound nice.

If you aren't Catholic, then I'd say it doesn't apply. So those of us that aren't might as well keep on enjoying our lives.

My girlfriend got married in the Catholic church last year to a non-Catholic. She's been a practicing Catholic all her life, although she doesn't exactly follow the rules. She fit into the Catholic schoolgirl stereotype rather well. She was truly hoping that her husband would eventually choose to convert and raise their children in the church. Sadly for her, the more research he did, the more opposed he became, and now it is clear that he won't be getting baptized and there children will not be raised in the church. She understands his viewpoint, but it does make her sad. It's stuff like this that drives so many people away, at least in the Western world.

I guess it also helps to create the Catholics, each and every single one I've ever know well, who believe in spiritual stuff but never follow the dogma. Not a single one of my Catholic friends waited until marriage and I'd bet my house that they aren't going to stop having oral.

Mrs. - posted on 01/28/2011

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I got a good religious joke...but it's kind of visual...



Why did the blonde walk into the church? Cause she heard there was a guy there hung like this:



(put your arms out like you are being crucified)



An oldy but a goody. Offensive to both blondes and the church.

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i am so glad i dont believe in sin....:) when i was a catholic...it sucked...feeling guilty for being alive...

Veronica - posted on 01/28/2011

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You are both right (Krista/Rebecca) There are more important things, than what is right or wrong in someone's sex life! This is a bogus report -- the world is suffering bigger and more important things, than to worry about who is or isnt getting a blow job, and if it is or isnt right!

Mrs. - posted on 01/28/2011

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That's why I'm wondering if it is going a bit backwards. I thought Vatican II opened up a lot of these things. I'm a bit confused why certain bishops wouldn't just be happy people keeping their sexual acts between a married couple.

I'm not trying to bash the Catholic faith as a whole. I actually thought it had loosened up a bit since JP 2. I'm just wondering under the new guy, if this is just a sign of things to come with the Vatican. A tightening of the belt so to speak.

Krista - posted on 01/28/2011

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I guess I just don't understand why the Catholic leadership is focusing on this. They have so many bigger fish to fry (especially on Fridays! Ha!), like dwindling memberships and church attendance, their own sex scandals, and the question of contraception in the era of AIDS.

And these guys are trying to ban blowjobs? I mean, are they TRYING to drive people away from the church? Because I can't see too many men, Catholic or not, being too keen on that idea.

Veronica - posted on 01/28/2011

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So, just because this came out of Catholic mouth - doesnt mean it opens up the conversation to smash down all of catholocism IMO.

Veronica - posted on 01/28/2011

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Im Catholic, we were not preached to about what was right and wrong in the act of sex -- the only thing that was 'right or wrong' about sex, was having premarital sex -- but, thats controversial too -- because what really defines marriage -- there wasnt always the 'traditional wedding' either.

Mrs. - posted on 01/28/2011

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I get ya there Krista.

I guess this is fine for the normal healthy Catholic. Kind of boring and limited but people kinda know that keeping up with the Catholic faith.

As a person who, for medical reasons, was only able to do those other things besides intercourse for several years (just think of all that practice!), I feel bad for someone who is devout and in that same position. If sexual intercourse is painful due to pelvic pain or any other health problem...does that mean that, according to the Catholic faith, sexual intimacy with my husband is not allowed. That would truly suck.

Tara - posted on 01/28/2011

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Pleasure is a sin.
My ex was raised by strict catholic parents. They had sex routinely every week for 1 year trying to get preg. they failed as ex fil had low sperm count, so they stopped and adopted and never had sex again. They were open about this because they felt they were the "best" because of their adherence to this attitude among the catholic church.
Pleasure as a result of procreation is also considered a sin from what she told me.
I know plenty of kinky Christians and a Baptist minister who feels as long as two people love each other and consent, there is nothing that could happen between them sexually that would displease God. It's an act of love and God is love.
Leave it to the Catholics to take the pleasure and fun out of all sexual acts.

Veronica - posted on 01/28/2011

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While I feel certain sexual acts are devious and we dont practice them -- I dont really know what to say to this, as there isn't anything anywhere in the bible that says what sex is, and what is or isnt wrong. It says sexual impurities - only.
I think if you are consentual with every aspect of your sex life with your sig.other - that should be what counts. If you dont want to have oral or dont want to do oral - and the other wants you to or makes you -- that is where it would obv. be wrong. etcetc.

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