child curfews

Charlie - posted on 08/26/2010 ( 24 moms have responded )

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Should child curfews be imposed ?



Youth curfews are widely used in the USA to keep children off the street at night; a state of curfew makes it illegal to be out of doors between certain publicised times. In the USA over 300 individual towns have passed local curfew laws that vary in detail, but are all aimed at reducing juvenile crime and gang activity. In Britain a 1998 law allowed local councils to impose curfews for all children under ten, although none has yet chosen to do so. In defining the motion the proposition should think about the age groups at which the curfew is aimed, the hours it would operate, the penalties for offenders and any possible exceptions, for example, is it permitted to be out in the company of an adult?

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Jessica - posted on 08/26/2010

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Oh, and I grew up in some of the roughest areas in my hometown in the UK. Just because some little eegit and his parents have no respect for anyone else doesn't mean the rest of us law abiding citizens should have to suffer for it. I remember growing up on a rough council estate where the only reason I wasn't allowed to stay out after 10 was because the ignorant ass families who don't give a damn about anyone but themselves allowed their kids to threaten, beat and rob other children. Particularly my family because we ALWAYS followed the law and called the police on any illegal happenings. I had a very upsetting childhood in that area because of these people and to this day, I REFUSE to allow selfish, arrogant little shits RUIN, MY RIGHTS and MY FREEDOMS. Everytime I come across one of these assholes, I always bring them down a peg or two, because they have NO RIGHT to impinge on others lives like that.

LaCi - posted on 08/26/2010

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I guess I should say my opinion on them as well? Sorry got sidetracked. I don't really agree with them. I'm a night person, it's just the way I am. My friends and I would be out until, usually, 3-4 am driving around and drinking coffee at denny's. That's what most people did, they either went to steak n shake, if they were normal, or denny's if they were warped, drank coffee, and talked. I guess I can see it if there's a LOT of juvenile crime in an area, but our curfew was ridiculous, there wasn't anything bad going on, so I would bet that's why the cops never cared. Hell, they were at denny's with us ;) I'm sure they knew we didn't teleport to dennys.

Tara - posted on 08/26/2010

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I would not agree to a curfew in my town. My 14 year old son routinely goes out at midnight or after with his friends to walk the dogs, theirs and ours. He also plays in a band and walks to and from his jam sessions, sometimes at 3 AM.
I can see the need for curfews in large city centers that have an issue with youth crime, but I would still have a problem with it as it is just a little too fascist in my opinion. Painting all kids with the same brush of distrust. I would say at least 90% of kids out after dark are not out to cause shit. Some of them are out to avoid stuff going on at home, some are on their way home from work, a friends or family members house etc.
I think imposing a curfew on kids who have already had contact with the law is a great idea, but curfews for all is unfair and infringes on our rights too much in my opinion.
Parents should be more responsible for their children. And more accountable for their actions. This is something that should be dealt with on a case by case basis only.

Jessica - posted on 08/26/2010

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IMO, it is the parents responsibility to ensure their child is home at a decent time and is not commiting any crimes or hurting amyone including themselves.

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Jessica - posted on 08/27/2010

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My point is the same as Cathy's here. Particularly concerning the curfew. If there is a persistent problem with the same individuals, they should be addressed on a case by case basis instead of punishing the rest of society along with them. The problems are often caused by repeat offenders. So why aren't they and their parents getting cautioned, fined then jail time for committing a crime? If their parents are not willing to parent, why are the social services not getting involved? That is where the issue needs to be addressed, instead of punishing all for the idiocy of a few.

Ez - posted on 08/27/2010

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Jessica, you may very well be an engaged and vigilant parent. But the point is, not everyone is. There are plenty of situations where laws are made to address the problems of a few. Like the passenger restrictions I mentioned in my PP. Like the 3am lock out we have in our pubs and clubs in my city (meaning everyone must be inside by then, or go home). This is to stop the anti-social behaviour (of a few) on the streets, and does indeed inconvenience many responsible people. But it's there because some people are dickheads, and can't be trusted to make the right choices and act appropriately. These curfews are no different.

Jessica - posted on 08/27/2010

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When I was 16, I was regularly out after midnight due to college work. I was studying Theatre Studies and this required me to go to the theatre a LOT. I often didn't get back till 4 in the morning because public transportation had stopped and I had to walk.

Another reason why curfews stupid is because quite a few of the troublemakers here are not out after9pm. They are all home getting drunk with their idiotic parents.

And Erin, I don't think that rule is justified. The government is NOT in place to tell us what we can and cannot do or in which situation we should be responsible. We are supposed to mature as we get older and with rules like these in place we never will. People learn by making mistakes, if we are wrapped up in cotton wool and not allowed to make ANY mistakes then we will never learn and grow.

I am an adult and a mother. I fully accept responsibility for my own and my sons actions, if my son gets into trouble, I will MAKE SURE that he is appropriately disciplined. I AM capable of raising my own child and will NOT allow the government to undermine my authority with my son. If I say he is mature and responsible enough to be out after midnight, then he is. IF I have misjudged, than I will rectify the situation, ensure that he is disciplined and if he has caused any damage to aother person or their property, then they will be properly compensated by my son. He will apologise and understand that it was wrong and why.

Obviously, age and maturity levels come into account when setting a time for him to be in by.

Ez - posted on 08/26/2010

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I would support a midnight curfew. In an ideal world, they wouldn't be necessary, but the reality is that there are too many parents who don't give a shit. Like Lindsay, I see absolutely no need for a child to be out that late unless accompanied by their parents.



Edited to add: We have restrictions placed on Provisional drivers (teens are eligible for their licence at 17 here) as to how many passengers they can carry. Is this unfair on those that are behaving responsibly? Yep probably. But to protect those young people who are being reckless and endangering themselves and others, it is justified. I see these curfews in the same light.

Jessica - posted on 08/26/2010

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Quoting Ava:

"The problem with Jessica's opinion about 'it's the parents' responsibility' is that, while that may be true, a LOT of parents don't exercise that responsibility and put other children in danger by not monitoring their children. So your ideal is not realistic. I appreciate the government stepping in and helping reign in children, because I came from a small town where 9 year olds did drugs and 10 and 11 year olds got pregnant. My eighth grade year, there were five pregnant girls. Parents in my town didn't do *shit* for their kids. Some ran around our block begging the neighbors for food because the mom would drink all of their money away. The same kids sometimes didn't bathe for over a month because they had no hot water in the house, and still CYS, although they would look at the place, did not take their kids away. The same kids would smoke weed that their parents would give them and run outside at all hours of the night. It doesn't matter to a lot of parents, unfortunately. Generally the rule in the US is that a child is allowed out past curfew if they're in the company of their parent or guardian (all should be carrying ID to prove that, obviously) and the curfew in my town was required for everyone under 18."

Your right and as I stated it is my OPINION. I KNOW that some parents are very unhealthy parents. Which is why, if you had read my second post, you would have understood that I DO see a viable option for no curfews and parents taking responsibility. It CAN become a reality without wasting police time, effort and money. In cases like you have described here, the social services should be involved (which is actually what they are paid for but don't do). I really don't appreciate the way you have come across. You seem to me like you think my opinion is invalid and below you. I understand that you may not have intended it that way but you should word your posts a little more carefully to avoid any crossed wires.

Charlie - posted on 08/26/2010

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In my town ( small town ) there is a gang of around 20 , 16 - 17 year olds that get around on BMX bikes vandalizing our town , burning furniture built by volunteers , burning bushes , smashing windows , i often take the kids to the park where they have smashed beer bottles and placed the glass on the slide with intent to hurt small children who would be using the slide .

Should our town have a curfew ? hell YES , because their parents sure as hell arent doing there job and the town is suffering for it , its only a matter of time that someone gets hurt from idiocy .

I know not all teens are like this but i doubt those teens would be roaming the streets late at night anyway so it really wouldn't affect them .

Lindsay - posted on 08/26/2010

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I agree with you, Teresa...Our midnight curfew doesn't bother me either. Even when I was a teen, my parents had me home by 11 pm. I don't see any reason or need for my child under 18 to be out past midnight either.

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A curfew wouldn't bother me, but I have no intention of having my kids/teens out after midnight anyway. ;)

Meghan - posted on 08/26/2010

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I wouldn't follow a city curfew as a teen and I wouldn't expect my child to either. I will decide when my child is to be home based on his maturity level and his behavior. I am hoping that when the time comes he makes responsible choices and therefore would be able to hang out with his friends at the beach or go for a drive or whatever.

Jacquie - posted on 08/26/2010

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I am completely against this. It is no one else responsibility but mine and my child's to keep my child out of trouble. I understand that the idea is nice and pleasant but it never works. If I wanted the government to raise my child I'd put him in foster care but since I've chosen to raise him myself I am fully against this. The police have enough responsibilities that now they need to be making sure every person under 18 is safely at home? There are too many flaws to make this work perfectly for everyone.

Ava - posted on 08/26/2010

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The problem with Jessica's opinion about 'it's the parents' responsibility' is that, while that may be true, a LOT of parents don't exercise that responsibility and put other children in danger by not monitoring their children. So your ideal is not realistic. I appreciate the government stepping in and helping reign in children, because I came from a small town where 9 year olds did drugs and 10 and 11 year olds got pregnant. My eighth grade year, there were five pregnant girls. Parents in my town didn't do *shit* for their kids. Some ran around our block begging the neighbors for food because the mom would drink all of their money away. The same kids sometimes didn't bathe for over a month because they had no hot water in the house, and still CYS, although they would look at the place, did not take their kids away. The same kids would smoke weed that their parents would give them and run outside at all hours of the night. It doesn't matter to a lot of parents, unfortunately. Generally the rule in the US is that a child is allowed out past curfew if they're in the company of their parent or guardian (all should be carrying ID to prove that, obviously) and the curfew in my town was required for everyone under 18.

Marabeth - posted on 08/26/2010

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i think every community is different and this should be left to the individual states to decide. a law that works well for a small rural area may not be a viable option for a more urban neighborhood. some areas have more shenannigans than others that might lure minors into unsafe or criminal activities. of course ideally the parents handle this but as others have said that's not necessarily reality everywhere. i think it's okay as long as it's not a federal law and is only a misdemeanor. maybe an interesting bylaw would be if the child is caught out past curfew there would be some consequence to their guardian? just a thought.

Jenni - posted on 08/26/2010

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In towns? I just pictured a bunch of farm kids terrorizing the town with pitchforks. I can understand the need for curfews in large cities. I grew up in a small town and the worst trouble our 'gang' ever got into was smoking pot and skateboarding. i guess we were defacing public property with wax for our boards but we'd do that during the daylight hours as well.

LaCi - posted on 08/26/2010

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We have a curfew of midnight here for teenagers, if I'm not mistaken. Although we never paid attention and it was never enforced.

*Lisa* - posted on 08/26/2010

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I think in high crime towns it may be necessary, and not only to stop kids getting in trouble, but also to protect kids from getting initiated into gangs, kidnapped, etc.

Lindsay - posted on 08/26/2010

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There is a midnight curfew in my town for anyone under 18. I don't think that is unreasonable at all. There is no need for kids to be out anywhere near that time without a parent. It's also a law that businesses can't keep teens under 18 working past 10 pm so they have plenty of time to get home before curfew. If a kid is out later than midnight, I believe the police officer transports them back home and the parents are liable of any charges or fines.

Stifler's - posted on 08/26/2010

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The kids who get in trouble should get the curfew, not all kids. How do they even enforce these curfews?

Jessica - posted on 08/26/2010

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I think the police should be allowed to enforce a curfew to protect the public, but I also think that with 'that' family (the ones where the parents aren't bothered about what their kids are up to, whether they are safe, whether they are behaving), should have the social services involved very closely and have the parents attend a parenting course.

Charlie - posted on 08/26/2010

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Ideally that is what should happen unfortunately more and more children are being allowed to roa the streets getting into increasingly more dangerous activities and crimes , so should the authorities step in where parents are failing to ?

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